 Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh, name another podcast like this, who gon' burn? Check it, check it, check it, this is your unique house, this is your boy, E.C.O. And I'm with the lovely, amazing, outstanding official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nothing, nothing, you know my dad will walk on? Man, we here today, man, this guy's a gem, man, this is my guy. Hey, man, I'm in ATL again, you already know what time it is, man. There is the shunt in the building. Yes, sir, Ski, right here in the flat. Man, what's going on, man? Man, I'm chillin', man, blessed, man, better than I ever been. Man, hey, man, you looking good, too. Thank you, man. Boy, that's what they do. Some of these niggas, when you come back, niggas, they don't look the same. Yeah, they get like that, that's all. Niggas fall off, man. Yeah, I came back on the right time. Yeah, I came back at the right time. That's it for sure. Man, last time we came down, man, we just enjoyed you, man. I appreciate you for always picking up that phone when we called, man. Oh, yeah, for sure. Always showing us love, bro. I mean, we came in this game, man. I ain't know if we're gonna be doing all this this long. I came in for COVID. I was like, nigga, I'm forgetting people to come on my podcast, sell a few shirts in the store, nigga, and with this, this up. Next thing you know, they hold them, blew up on me. Yeah, blew up. Everybody like, nigga, I'm getting calls from all over the U.S., nigga, and other countries, nigga. Bless you. I'm trying to go with you when we go overseas, man. I ain't never been. You know what you come over there on. I ain't never been in no way. What? Man, I ain't never been in no way. You gotta go with us. I just literally just, for the first time, I like put in on the phone for my passport. Yeah. Where is the first place you want to go? Jamaica. The first, whoever booked me first. Really? The first, oh, they booked me. We need to get you to Jamaica, man. I'm with that, too. You gonna go over there? You better go get that overseas money. We should just take the family and go be the first strip. Oh, yeah. So you don't have to worry about, you know, you gotta be here for one day and then leave. You can just go somewhere for the whole week. See, you know, me, I'm kind of like, I don't know the word, but it's a long sentence like, but me, we gonna turn all this into one thing. You feel me? That's him. Look, yeah, you feel me? That's him. I gotta show him Switzerland. Y'all need to come on, get ready, get them kid passport. We gonna stay for two days, okay? I be trying to make it count, man. He's like, this is the write-off. Yeah. You feel me? We ain't coming back. We in the party. Yeah, we feel to get it. Yes, sir. Man, so you, man, you a whole different species, man, when it comes down to what you do, man, it's a lot of cats that want to work with you. They've been coming through the show, man. Shout out, I think, who's at the other day that was on the show that wanted to holler at him? Buffy Johnson. Buffy Johnson. Buffy Johnson. You heard him? He out of Dallas. Yeah, I seen him in your show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He basically wanted to holler at you, man. He told me, he was like, man, that boy good, too. He sound good. That pain style is there. Appreciate it. I want to hear, I want to hear, I want to give a dream from the South, man. Let's get it. Hey, let's put it together. Man, that's crazy. He's like, man, I got to get with him, man. And you know, just... And T-Rail talked really good about you. T-Rail talked good about you. Yeah, that's my dog. That's all I brought up for Elvin. The nigga crazy, cause he say, man, E-man, I seen that nigga, Maree, man. I walked into him and said, man, why are you running from me? Hey, I seen that too. Hey, I seen that too. And I was like, man, this boy, hell yeah. That was so funny. But I love that about him, though. He's pulling up. He's pushing up. He's going to talk to you. You know, to get it. He's really genuine. Like, he love you. Hey, what's up, bro? He's worried like, fuck. Yeah, we can stop now. Let's go to the studio now. Like, he only like... But I love that. But when I posted that clip, in my mind, I'm thinking, I hope people really get what he really means behind all of this and the fact that don't stop. I mean, like, don't let people with a popularity don't let the stardom, you know, deter you from walking up to somebody and say, hey, I want to work with you. Come on, let's do this now. Don't get caught up in all this hype and all this other stuff. It's all about working, making that bread, doing what you need to do. Yeah. All the way. I just hope that they see the true meaning behind what he was trying to say. Some people, you know, some people going to think however they think, even if you break it all the way down for them, they still going to see it whole, how they want to see it. He didn't. Like I said, to me, it was like genuine and he was just basically saying, man, he want to work with everybody. Y'all see him out here. He pushing them up on me. And he don't give up. No, he ain't going to give up. Yeah, he's going to keep going. He say, though, when he was in there with the Rez, he said, that nigga, that ain't bagged down. That nigga, you got to come with him. Yeah, I'm different. I'm different. But he said he helped you and you helped him because he said he helped you with the hooks. I'm like, yeah, because you know, I get to him. He can sing, sing. I'm doing my thing, holding the note, but he can sing, sing. So yeah, we in there and he is coming there. Like I got some excuse. I mean, I got some stuff. We got, we working on the, you know what I mean? The whole part. That would be dope. So yeah, he was doing that. I come in, you know, I come in with the verses. He like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, what in there? I never forget. I think me, him and like a couple of producers, we was in the studio. We booked the whole studio. Like, so we could work in this room, this room and this room. He was in there doing hooks. I was over here doing verses. We was rotate niggas making beats. When he get done with a hook, I come in and do a verse. We probably did like eight songs that day. Working. Man. Man. Man. Is it hard to find. It was in like two, three hours though. It wasn't even like a whole day. It was like a couple of hours. We had like eight songs. But not everybody can do that. That's what I was about to say. Right. Right. Everybody can do that. You have to have that chemistry to be able to do that. You got to have the chemistry. You got to have the want. You got to have the ambition to drive, you know, the real talent. Like, you know what I'm saying? Anybody can rap, but you got to be able to make music. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. No, you wanted those guys, man, that you done seen it though. You done been in there. You done been through a lot, bro. Like you. I seen you come through a lot of different phases. You wanted those guys, man. Even the fact of even Rollo, the one that you, you know, was on the label, he locked up. Free my dog. Free Rollo. Holiday Rollo. Free Rollo. How's that? How's he doing? Oh man, he doing good. Good spirit still working. You know what I'm saying? He was recording in there. He ain't never trying to get through it. Yeah. He's in the drop. He got a phone going on. Yeah. I love that. I'm gonna say he put a drop. For sure. And I'm on now. You know what I'm saying? I love it, man. That's dope, bruh. Yeah. Like that's a real one. Like when you stay down like that, you know, most niggas forget about you, bruh. I don't know if you understand how hard it is for a nigga when he been gone two, three years. When my nigga was gone two years, you remember when my partner was gone, I didn't even help him for the first year. Because I say when these niggas fall off, he got a five. I got to roll with him the rest of the way. And that's what I did. You see what I'm saying? I knew niggas was gonna help him up front. But I knew I wanted to hold him all the way down. That's what I'm saying. They ain't helping up front. No, it's not like this was the immediate family. I've seen it. I know I'm like a book. I'm like when I come through, it's gonna be that push that's gonna, you know, make a difference. You know what I'm saying? I know folks getting there, ain't no help from the gate. I know folks, I don't help while they was in there. Get out. Ain't how they meet. Ain't say hi, nothing. Ain't seen them. Heard them. Really? But it makes you stronger though. You mean who's stronger? It makes you. I mean, you know. Fuck. Yeah, cause I'm trying to figure out too. Like, I'm gonna be stronger though. I ain't tripping. Yeah, I ain't tripping, but I'm glad it only took that to get you from around here. Exactly. But I'm cool with that. That's all. You coulda hit me for more. So coulda. You coulda hit me for more. No, no. You coulda hit, man. What? You coulda came home like, hey man, I need a 10, a 20 or something. I probably like fuck. I gotta do it. This is my boy. Don't call me please. Run off. Run off. Man, so did you. No, what I wanted to ask you, cause I know a lot of time with mental health, you always talk about that. Yeah. And I see you post sometimes, you know, y'all show me some love, y'all check in. Yeah. I see you do that. How important it is to have your fans, to have your family friends or whoever is actually giving you that love on social media. How important is that for you? It's important, right? I'm going to answer the question, right? Straight up. It's important on social media, being that the world is kind of like social media first, like real life kind of second for a lot of people, not me, but a lot of people. So it's good to know that, you know, you could show and display that you having a real support system. You really got folk that believe in you, you know what I'm saying? You really got fans that's right there behind you every step of the way, a real following, a real fan base, you know what I'm saying? So it's important to get the love, but in real life, it's more important to fear that love from a brother calling just to check on you or you know what I'm saying? Because mentally, artists we go through so much, but we can't display it all the time. So sometimes we do have a breaking point where we may display the wrong shit at the wrong time. And then again, it runs straight to social media and then they try to put this on it and that on it. So yeah, it's important to show social media, but also more important in real life. So you know, had those breaking points. Yeah, because one thing I was always saying that I'm happy that you're very transparent with that it's concerned because the first time I saw it, it made me wonder, I hit him up and I'm like, hey, check on the rest because I didn't like that post. You be like, you know, I'm going through something more. I'm mentally about to break or something like that. And you put it out there and I'm like, dang, is he okay? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie sometimes, a lot of times I'm gonna let y'all know. A lot of times that's promo. I'm getting y'all attention like the song I'm finna drop there's like that right now it's called Save Me. That's why I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm mentally about to break Save Me. You know what I'm saying? It's just getting ready for the new drop. But you got to be careful because to me, when you do that and you know it's promo, that's cool, but then for people who genuinely care about you it makes us worthy. Or not. Yeah, that's a fact, but that's cool. We activate everybody else. We activate the Lord. Don't call me Jackus you seem to force call me. Yeah, I'm good, but I like it. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, we good. We always gonna be good. That's good. I can tell you right now, man, like I said, you one of those guys, man, you have me going, man. Like I said, when I hear the music coming I already know it's gonna be smash and it's gonna be something that I can sit back and vibe to. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Be, be nods. Be nods. Be nods. Be nods all the way up to dirty mirrors now. What has changed with the rest of the show? Yeah. Everything. Every single thing changed. Talk to me about how this transition happened and let's just ride down through that. Because that early on the rest was, I was a different beast than the one we deal with today. You know what I'm saying? It was very different. So tell me what's the difference? I'm talking about very, yeah. Back then that was a hungry beast. You know what I'm saying? A beast on drugs. Real depending on drugs. Like for real, I couldn't record without taking some type of thing to have me going. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I was into it. I was working. The work ethic was different. I was surrounded by a lot of different energies, different people. How did you stop taking drugs? Honestly, man, my girl, like I ain't even gonna lie. Oh yeah? Like honestly, my girl and my kid, like I had done relapsed and got back on a particular drug and she was like, you gonna be on that? You gonna lose her? We out. I mean, didn't want no jazz shit like that. Yeah. So I was like, damn. So you tell me the love that you had for your family and my kids. And my kids, yeah. Because the reason why I ask you that, because there's so many celebrities out here who were the pass away from, you know, drug overdose or, you know, I could call so many names. And they have family. They have where the wife, kids, all of that. And it's like the drugs beat them. So I'm like trying to figure out how hard is it? It's hard. It's real. You know, I mean, you care about what you care about. You know, me, my family is the most important thing to me over anything. Like, I don't care about, you know, nothing more than I care about my family, not my career, not my bank, you know, none of that. Like, my family is the most important thing. We could live on the debris as long as I got my family on straight. How long were you on drugs before you actually stopped? How many years? I had an appeal, like an upper. You know what I'm saying? A milder, out of all something. Like the whole time, like my whole career. And the reason why I ask you that, because you know, you have some people who will be watching it and be like, oh yeah, he could get off because he was not in very long. So you know, I'm just trying. I've been on drugs since I ever started rapping. Like, you feel me like, and I ain't saying it in a way like that, but I'm going to just say that I was doing it before it was cool. Like, I used to go to the band and I ain't thinking, I'm thinking like, oh shit, I get out. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. But now it's popular, so everybody's doing it. But yeah, I was doing it when it was like, nigga, what are you in there doing? And looking back on it, because you're still doing music, you're still performing, do you see where, because, okay, in my mind, I always feel like it's a pressure being an artist. So that's why a lot of them end up taking drugs because you go through a whole bunch of stuff personally in your life, whether baby mama drama, girlfriend drama, whatever, family drama, you have to support all these people, you have to do all of these things, plus you got to come on stage with that happy personality, give the performance of a lifetime, which you don't feel it. Right. So a lot of people, I feel like celebrities turn to drugs just to get that buzz feeling. Just to keep going. To keep going because you're tired, because you're a human being, you get tired, you don't want to go to the studio, you don't want to, but you have to. You're not on any of this stuff. How hard is it to do all of these things without that? It's hard. I ain't going to lie. It's hard because even sometimes like handling my business, you know, I may go through a situation, you know, with my daughter or something. She done did something at school. I come here like for example, I can come right here. I'm trying to do an interview. You'll see it. Like it's on me like and I'm working on that that I need to be. But me knowing that I don't start taking like natural things like like right now I'm on alpha brain focus. Like so I'm feeling like I'm at all. Does it work? Does it work? Yeah. Of course it ain't going to be as intense. That's a real thing. Right. But it feels like yeah, it's a pacify. Yeah, that pretty much it just helps you. You know, that's the thing about it, man, though, you you one of those guys man that you've been most people man something people crash out for they even could even deal with something like this, bro. Like your career has been you gotta have somebody you can be there and believe in you, bro. And my kid like all like my friends at the time they didn't give a damn. Like nobody gave a damn. Hey, that ain't shit. That what he do. Fuck it. He's gonna make a hit though. You know what I mean? Nobody care about the shit. But that's a lot of people because I've heard people say stuff like that. Like for big celebrities, like I don't care what you gotta do. You just gotta push this out. Fast. I mean, you know, I ain't a nigga. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I'm just speaking on situation that I don't seen firsthand. I don't see motherfuckers off at all. Like, hey, man, what you need, bro? You need to crank your shit up. What's up? Yeah. Yeah. They don't care about you that all like that. They want that hit. You're a money making machine. Right. That's all you is a money maker machine. We need you to work. You sleep wake up. But you know already that as you go through these phases in life, man, you know, the most important thing is your health. The most important thing is your family. You don't understand how you're working because the most important thing is your kids. The most important thing and you can't see it. But you can't see it and because we get this shit put in our mind like this, right? You can't do shit for nobody until you start doing for you, right? That's right. All right. But then this music, you can't do shit until you make a hit. Right. And continually make a hit. Continuously, right? That's what they say. Right? So then you got kids that you got them missed time with because you're always going. You're always working on that hit. You're always working on the video. You're always working on trying to be in the radio or somebody face like you're always trying to figure out how to catch that way so you can catch that shit so you can catch them shows so you can keep that money coming right. And that's what I was going to say. The biggest difference from from the old what I want to do like I'm going to do what I do to make me happy if I don't feel good I'm not doing that. If I don't want to go here I'm not going to and I don't kill what nobody say. You know what I'm saying? I like that. If I want to be at my kid birthday party for three days nigga I'm going to do that because I missed a hundred birthdays already. That's for you. You know what I mean? And I know like you know my son be missing me. My daughter's like come on bro. Ain't nothing more precious. No I like that man I like that because that just it's so you know knowledge now. Knowledge yeah. Like I can go out here and do a show pass out and and and and not come home. What you talking about? That's the truth. But I been and my kids ain't got nothing to tell you when they say who was your daddy? Oh the director son? No. My daddy was fun. My daddy Lord was my daddy took us here. We did we did that. That's real. That's real. So if you meet a young talented upcoming artist right now who when you look at them because I know you all be bumping into each other sometimes at the studios and stuff like that and you can see them going down the same path or have the same misillusion to think that you have to do these things to be successful. How would you advise that person? That's a good question. Honestly when you young and you knew and you fresh it's like it's kind of like you got to go hard but be smart at what you doing know what you're going hard for I would advise them to don't take sleep for granted because a lot of the times artists go through a lot of the health I mean health issues that they go through because they like to sleep and this is something I'm known by you know going to doctor you know and they like hey man you need to sleep like you dishing dishing dishing that you know what I'm saying and sleep really can fuck with your mental health no lying sleep not sleeping for days and days consistently that do something to your mental health like you know what I'm saying so I would advise them don't play with your sleep even if you proper sleep yeah proper but I mean it's going to be hard to get proper but you know when you catch an hour don't try to stay up the whole time catch an hour wrap go home get you three hours when you ain't doing nothing after that wait till they call you take it now like sleep I look at this as opportunity like for boss talk is just like a lot of the young we see in the comments what people be talking about men this nigga there and my thing is for us just to be an example to the people that God put in our life you know what I'm saying just like you you going to that studio now you being one that's temperamental self control is there they're going to see that in you and that's going to be another thing that they can draw for it ain't about much as what you say it's about how you move so they ain't seeing the old you that used to do like they doing so now they like damn what make him tick how did he beat it but only by your actions you see what I'm saying they ain't going to say it they like damn you know like cause I'm going through it cause a lot of time when you going through that stuff it be like you be tired that's why I personally you know I don't know about nobody I personally like to ask the questions that I ask because I know how people are you can walk up to somebody that same advice that you're giving right here and they going act like they're not listening to you so I prefer when they can look on their YouTube and whatever and hear it and take it to heart and be like man I'm going you know because they're not going to let you know that you help them right fair yeah that's crazy that's how life is yeah you right but if you can help somebody it's a blessing I hope I help them y'all ain't got to tell me y'all listen to me but if you listen to them you take he you'll be alright listen to me you being independent now did you ever go back into a label deal yeah because it's different you know what I'm saying like it's different platforms you know what I mean like that being independent I just can't get into like and I mean that in the sense of this industry is just like a whole bunch of politics knowing somebody and you know these these labels be having relationships with different situations so it's like I would definitely do it if it was right like if it was presenting right and if it worked in my favor for what I'm trying to do but I would never go into a a major deal to be the sacrificial lamb again like that I got to put all this work in I ain't going home to my kids no more I got to stay here and stay like no explain that to me though like how did you feel like that closed in on you like that like for example right like I don't have conversations with you know in this real like I don't have conversations with I may have been late to some shit or I say no I can't do that this day because I'm like yeah I got to do this with my kids motherfuckers said fuck your kids what that's what I said but a young me stupid I said something like on some check them shit but then I thought like damn you're right I can't let this be the reason why I'm not doing what I got to do to feed them you see what I mean and that's how they put that in the I say I won't go back to that shit you I never go sign a major for them to do that shit again hell but I feel like it's tradition in a lot of ways because men period whether in this industry or not feel like it's their role to feed their family at all costs no matter what as long as they have their wife or girlfriend or baby mama whoever at home they know their kids are safe they know their kids are being nurtured they feel a sort of relief to know that right they're taking care of I felt that too but then again you gotta just think right what woman really want to just be that in life right women want to they got a dream too like they ain't just trying to sit at the house like so it's like it's hard you feel what I'm saying that shit get hard like when you especially like for me right my fiance I got a fiance now she do well congratulations yeah thank you thank you party women thank you nigga we got you bring him on in nigga yeah congratulations nigga we got that nigga thank you she damn so got me that's who he'll be hey I knew I had a my other big home with my cousin I remember when he first they got married now he ain't wanna know more but boy when he first got married I'm gonna say to let y'all get back to it he was like I'm like damn nigga you know how you try to hurt a nigga feel it ah nigga that's how I'm feeling don't play don't play nigga don't play love a beautiful thing man when it's done when it's real love yeah so like I was saying you know like she got her own thing popping out like so it's like I mean yeah I ain't going back to that that's all I'm saying my whole household trying to be somebody my kids trying to I got a daughter wanna sing I got a daughter like you know what I mean we all trying to get in there my son wanna produce what he doing but yeah I ain't never go back to being that derricky like this but you're gonna use all of the things that you learned from this field to help your children for sure you understand show them what not to do what to do and I guarantee you these kids are so smart they gonna teach you some they already do I don't know how to talk do you think talk me that they do that I just like hey look the promo sheets I need to do this help me figure this out they do that that's cool that's cool that's dope man you know you just like I said you one of them guys man that to me like I said you started a wave you was in a wave you know don't get me wrong I seen everybody doing the singing thing but when that hard away came the way that it came during that time when nobody rocking it like that though it was a difference man it was a different time it was a different time it was I couldn't you couldn't make that up like I don't even know nah man how did they feel like I know you told me last time it was a hit and everybody knew it was a hit but how did how did I mean it opened a lot of doors for you it spread it opened a lot of doors it opened a lot of doors that got closed by not me let's say that it opened doors that people try to manipulate and it closed on me and that's ultimately why I chose to remain just independent and reopen my own doors rebuild my relationships with my own folk I don't need nobody speaking for me talking about oh he the next nigga they know you know what I mean that's how I already solidified at this point you did the right thing because really today society is more of an independent driven way that the music streams go to me anyway you know what I'm saying don't get me wrong some nicks out there all got a good deal cool but you can make it on your own you can but the misconception of being independent is you got to have all the tools though that's it I was going to ask you like the BET awards coming up and I'm going to let you finish that because people be like you cut him off I wanted to hear what he had to say about that I know that I got it but the independent thing man going like the BET awards coming up you know what I'm saying like to just show up there you know you know the vibe you have to have a budget for this right and you like I'm going to show up and if you did and you decided to do something independently these are the things that you start you got to have a budget you have to have a connect you have to have somebody that's knowing somebody that get you in like it ain't just a walk up walk up in there I'm me I'm the red the budget is out of your own pocket yeah independent but can't you get sponsors you can but that's what people don't know like you can definitely get private investors you can get sponsors you can get you can come out of your pocket exactly and that's the cash you just have to be able to present yourself properly and be able to represent that brand properly and not mess that up represent that brand probably represent yourself probably and know how to be in the room devote exactly but what did you learn though when you were in these rooms when you were under your deal that you can carry into this independent stage of your career Honestly, like them relationships is the most important thing to any career because if you if you if you Disrespect or sit on or not show up to something that one of these people doing this this and that for you doing They can shut your shit down. Do you fall shit in the office for hours coming up with this marketing scheme shit? And the rollouts to how you doing this and if you don't read if you don't represent them well and Show them the love and support they need I knew they can put you in the back like and I learned that so from my personal relationship I mean I learned that from my personal experience now when I go meet y'all or something y'all can call me and I'm picking up Hey, what's happening? Yeah. Yeah, I put you up. No pressure. Yeah DJs. Hey, man, you'll do this on me. Yeah Yeah, we'll hey bro. We doing a show, but whatever day in such a such city. Can you come? Yeah, I got you. You got me. We got each other But I've had people who've been on the show who say that Independence it can only carry you so far But you need a label to get whether distribution or to carry you even further Again, it depends on who what artist you are and it depends on what you trying to do, right? What are you trying to do? I'm just doing what I love Like I ain't trying to you're trying to get if it having it having but that's not my that ain't my focal point Like I ain't like oh, I'm sure for the stars. I want to be drinking next year. Okay. No, I'm I'm doing what I love You know what I'm saying? I'm doing what give me peace of mind What therapeutically help me? um I'm making good money doing it my kids, you know, they they with it. They like yeah, that's my daddy You know what I'm saying? They proud of me. You know what I'm saying? So Yeah, whatever come with it come with it, but I ain't that ain't like my I Accomplish my goal, you know what I mean? I became a successful person You know that ain't normal from where I'm from. So I ain't tripping on the other shit like Yeah, I'm good. I'm grateful. Yeah You know, that's the the one thing about it. You can't the bible say no man look Going forward, you know, I'm saying grab an applaud and going forward Look back without running into something You got to be careful looking back once you've already traded through those different places You already accomplished that right so now it's time to move on to the next stage We in a phase now where it's back at it again. You know how to get a second wind Yeah We feel to come back at you and there's a heart brother. Listen to me. I'm a whole other one I'm somebody the new music. I'm gonna drop the new things I got going on This new energy that I done Bumped into I don't need like I don't I just prayed I've been praying just for a piece of mind like when is the project coming? almost But you know, you know all likes and dates only because anything might happen. Yeah, but soon What So what month I had a time to have me in like a week. So, you know how that game goes. Give me three weeks October something we gotta get you to you got you coming to Texas. I know it's gonna be your best album ever You know what I was just talking to somebody the other day. Um, yesterday. I was at uh So I was a little done. We was at a little done a video shoot me and london j And I was in the back talking about where the gold mouth and we was discussing like My old like pain one is so legendary like yeah, yeah Well, I ever topped that right and I'm like, I don't know like I don't I don't never look at it like topping it because it's like this is pain one That's what that is. You know pain two is this This what this is pain three is this this what this is and I feel like all them shits classes and Legendary, but I don't know which one can you can't it's a whole different animal each time phases And you can't even try to duplicate or either go against it because these are different phases you in Exactly and this one this an album called bigger than me too. Hey, yeah, so this phase It's going down. Yeah, it's big and you gonna let us in on who gonna be on that thing, man Man, I'm working any features I've been trying like, you know, I've been getting features on there Like now, you know, I've been getting the yeses and we're gonna do it Let's lock it in send it. But you know, everybody be on their own time, but I'm ready to drop I ain't gonna lie. I mean, I'm ready to drop. Yeah. So, um, I definitely reached out to a lot I know for show T real on them That my boy right there for show he on that nigga that bad boy. He might be on that motherfucker Hey, when he when he talks, he say num nums don't lie. I was the first one with that pain me I Say you agree with what? Look, they say balls talking me starting trouble I saw it you say what did you say? I said, I'm a raw wave face of that Yeah, I said, I said, uh, that's how you feel. That's how you pull the field But now nums don't lie We go to 2010 I just wasn't nobody at the time Exactly me like I've been doing it. I just didn't have a platform But who was it? This is an old school rapper that they they named zero That's a zero See and and I Rude too, I salute them. I salute all of them. All right, I do But I'm I'm saying you know how uh, I don't know how to like the proper Yeah All right, so it's like Since those guys Ain't nobody else been doing it. Okay. Got you. So you have so you're not saying you're the first Yeah, I am not the official first. Right. I'm just saying anybody doing it now. They're they're me crying me. Okay He said 20 what 2014 he said 1990 Though like I mean you but but like I said, I wasn't me. I wasn't the red the sun. Yeah, you can look up D Dads, you can look up Dbo. You can look up all of my old names and you'll see like oh damn He really been doing this been doing I've been over look the long time. Yeah when I was doing that They was like, man, nobody want to hit this shit. You know what I'm saying So that's when they came that phase with Dbo If y'all been in that area with me Dbo was on the gangster up. Oh, all right. Y'all don't want to hit that All right, let me pop this real gangster shit in Danny got the Let me do real music. Let me just switch it I don't have to sing about girls. I can sing about my pain or I don't have to You know, I used back then I used to try to make an album Thank you. I was making an album like I'm gonna have a hit So this gonna be the hit this the girls on Oh, I'm gonna make a reel so I'm a saying on this one But now it's like hell nah, just let me do all that shit like that Put it all in one saying saying about being broke saying about Not even saying about you know what I mean and that word like Damn, you know, I like said, I just I just know you have had some Hell of us songs man and and them transitions was crazy. You got you got You t-rail you got more a ride wave, you know, but ride wave different, you know, I think Y'all everybody different Y'all all different about a different and I love every one that you name I love all this. What did you think when you first heard ride wave? He fire cuz you heard him after you already been doing it. Yeah, I said he fine first thing I said I swore everything. I love What is it? What is it was called gospel something? Yeah Uh street gospel or something some shit gospel something So when I heard it, right? I never forget. I met my current manager, um, man, I'm in his house I'm like, damn, bro. You hear this? This need a fight. Oh, I gotta work with y'all. Like you hear this shit. He on the sign time. I'm on He's knowing some shit. He going through some shit Right And then, you know, people try to Oh, he got Yes, the whole time I've been saloon shot of what he doing, you know, I'm saying Now I don't know what the politics is or why we ain't worked it or why ain't nobody Have you seen him? Y'all been around each other? Y'all have words did you talk with him? Y'all moving there from y'all got your own Yeah, my fault. Like, all right, let's get out of here. Yeah I don't know when he gonna be here. I ain't finna stay for You got stuff too. You feel me? But yeah, I don't know. I mean Somebody should have connected to that. Okay. Um, now let's talk about Morey when you first seen him come See, yeah, how he came right how he came how I first heard him I was writing with that. But then when I heard him saying saying the gospel church saying I said, oh my god, I gotta learn how to sing, bro I gotta go taste some classic Hey, they done uh He did really really say it like yeah, like t-rea I said man, damn. I gotta go really get some pleasure. Did you take any? Not hell I just been kind of self teaching So, um, I see you were in that Jurassic Park necklace. What is that all about? Um, well from on the south side. That's what they call it Jurassic Park. Land of the Lost Oh, okay. I just thought you just loved the movie. Oh, yeah Nah Shout out to them. Okay. I did I was a young nigga and I used to large raspberry park. I got a dinosaur on my back. Yeah. Yeah, but um Yeah, no, um, yeah, that's all Yeah Was it a big big situation when you left when when you start moving and doing your own thing you left cash money Do you think that was the right thing to you know to do at the time? well Me personally I want to say shout out to everybody that I was with everybody that's family But I don't really talk on that subject because I don't really know how to Talk on that subject. Okay. Okay. You get what I'm saying? So, yeah, I don't I don't really yeah Have you seen them since have y'all talked? No, I just I I've been working. Okay. Yeah, I ain't been I mean, I'm working. I ain't seeing nobody talking about it I'm working I just like I said, you just I just know the chemistry was there. Uh, right. Oh, y'all y'all was all Niggas y'all broke up in the breakfast club. I told you last time I mean It's still like that. I'm just saying when we talk about that, I don't know how to talk because it was other people involved That yeah, I honestly started to see where Like the different paid shit start happening. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's all I want to it's a lot of people involved when you're dealing with All of that is so many different moving parts to a whole mechanism when you're dealing with labels and Distribution and all the different ways that they can line out the paperwork I'm nearly said one time he felt like when he signed it deal he lost millions of dollars. I'm being real He could even know they were losing and he ain't know where it was going I'm I'm saying I'm being real this dude told like it could be You could be my manager She could be the label you could tell me one thing and tell them one thing and they tell you something You tell me a whole another thing because you in the middle working. Yo, you know, I mean So that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of different ways it can go and then when I talk to the label I like hell no we never said no shit like that What now I'm mad at you because of shit you said and now you're trying to explain Now we weren't supposed to tell him that like I know how to make him grind and work and do what he got to do tight shit Yeah, okay, but let me it's a good thing you say something like that because it remind me of an interview that we had with rainwater and He was talking about the differences like with the label the manager the artist and stuff like that he's saying that like The artist Usually be more closer because with the manager because you always doing stuff with the manager. He always He was talking about megan with tea ferris and 1501 car and because how Tea ferris took megan to help her get that deal and took her from you know, carl and stuff like that So how close how true is that like? All right, I'm gonna answer to the label. Yeah, I'm gonna answer the question I'm gonna answer the question and then I'm gonna answer it like me. That's funny You know what I'm saying? It's important to be close to the manager and the label. Okay. Now My personal experience is why I say that because it can be communication problems. It can be You let's say you label he the manager you could say Um, we want to raise the die his hell rainbow and go do a show at the pride month or whatever Which I might be with But you not and you say hell no, he'll never do that I don't even know. I ain't even talk to you. I probably would You get it now that causes friction. Oh damn. I don't know we can We spend you never had to say so. I don't know what we can do with it and I don't know nobody Right me No answering any question You supposed to be close to the manager, but You don't let the manager feel like you work for him Like yeah, you don't be close to the manager where he feel like he Running you like no nigga. We help each other. We a team You know what I mean? I got something for you to manage You know not for you to take this name and thank you a ceo. You get what I'm trying to say So, yeah, that's how I feel about it. DJ chose said that When we talked to him he said he don't do paperwork no more with no manager He said all it is is a handshake. That's it. He's not doing no more paperwork signing nothing with you It's just a handshake and go That's because he done been doing this a long time like yourself. Yeah, and that's all they get No, that's deep and and that's like a lot of trust like I mean for for on the manager bear, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because if he wake up tomorrow I'll just say fuck it. Hey, it's like fuck you what I'm gonna do I think he said that because for the main fact that you know when you are artists where you feel like you don't really need a manager Because you do everything yourself already anyway But it's good especially because as you get bigger and bigger you don't have to have You don't have you don't have the time because you don't have the time to deal with all the small stuff Yeah, I'm learning for me. I ain't gonna lie. I salute my managers. I got to I salute them every day Why you need to They two different different machines. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They're doing two different things I mean, we all on the same team trying to work towards the same goal, but This one do this hand of this beast on like paperwork computer shit all that This one the beast with The traveling and oh, so one is your old manager. No one I got two mountains I'm just saying this one do a whole bunch of different shit And this one do a whole bunch of different shit, but we all right here. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, but um I tell them every day because since I've been independent. I've been having to wake up check emails and shit I'm missing shit. I'm like, oh shit Damn that ass for this. I call my mama already did it. I'm like, yes Man, I'm I'm sorry, bro. I'm gonna get better y'all But that's good because it it it makes it where you know what's going on You know what I mean? It's like you checking up on them because they're supposed to be checking all them emails themselves and doing everything And so I'm happy. I'm happy that you're still trying to check it And not just because that's what happened to a lot of artists It is leave everything into these managers hands and to say, you know, we'll forget I want to concentrate on being an artist being a rapper being a singer and I'd have to worry about Anything else which it should be like that like honestly, man I don't think so. I'm gonna tell you why because when you when you hire somebody to be your manager It's supposed to be somebody you trust definitely. You understand what I'm saying. It's just like It like it with anything like a game a team A business it's all the same to me like if we playing if we playing sports, right? let's say He the wild receiver And you the linebacker and I'm the quarterback I need you to Keep the other team from scoring so me and shawty can go down there. God damn But if One of us get that Big head of that ego thing or I worry about just me and now you playing us and now I'm playing me and now I'm in the middle Like oh, that's exactly what happens Right, so that's why you're supposed to be able to trust your teammate to do his thing That human being just like everybody else and they get caught in certain situations where Sometimes people that's why I understand That though you're a fuck that buddy because when you fuck up is fuck you Yeah, you know I'm saying there's an ego thing and there's a big thing called pride men have ego and pride Where they don't always tell you what's going on in their lives So a lot of times you think that your manager is cool that he's he's good Whether monetarily wise or you know because you know you're painting But you never know what he might be going through gambling doing this Somebody extorting him money and then he put in a certain situation and he might have to sabotage you and you don't even know Yeah, exactly. That's why I did what he said. Yeah, I might have to do this Hey buddy Hey Your two managers right now looking at you like no, I trust them though I gotta ask you this question man. I gotta ask you about uh, I know you watch the news You ain't you you know, you ain't on some island where you don't see what's going on But we had a hell of a situation in age town where uh Some tray and zero had a uh, you know, somebody got punched in the stomach real good on TMZ It ain't nothing that ain't been known, you know what I'm saying So, uh, how because you you've been through some things where you had to come back and bounce back after being shot and different stuff How hard is that for for somebody who's in the music industry that looks a certain way? But then the media projects them after they see him go through something like he just experienced, you know for a zero go um With that situation, I don't know like how or what, you know, and I'd be staying out of other people being But me, um It's hard kind of like to come back from anything that's not What's going on right now like I mean, you know They letting certain people do certain things that ain't street, right? But then you let when street shit happen you try to Pick up you try to put something out of like it's street shit, bro All right, if I go beat up a nigga tomorrow I beat him up. I ain't trying to hold him down. If I get my ass. I got my ass. But being on the rest It's gonna be hard for me to Right and then the social media and everybody videoing in the heartbeat and seeing how to can sell the footage how I can get out there Yeah, but three or but for four or five people to tomorrow, you know, melvin former head, so that's Tray a crib he said, uh, what you gonna do about it, you know on the show You know, like I asked him I said, you know, I told like I just asked you the question and he was like What is he gonna do about it? What yeah, yeah, he's just It'd be gangsta, man. I don't like that. But they're not really cousins is what I'm hearing now. They're not even family Oh, I thought it was a family. She though They everybody felt like they were family because of how they used to be back in the days But they've been um having conflict a long time ago So to me when this happened is like out of the blue like y'all been having conflict as in like you live down there the same place like Why now why y'all probably seen each other? Why now what happened to spark this to happen? You know what I mean? And so openly when everything was going on And I'm gonna tell you something news. Like I said, it ain't nothing no hidden secret because it's so open and in the Yeah, I've seen It's on TMZ nigga. I was uh Zero went on TMZ Yeah, he told it I'll talk about on TMZ. I didn't know that Yeah, because I don't watch tv. I mean, I ain't gonna lie. No, I've seen it on you I watch. Yeah, I watch But I seen it on instagram But I didn't know Like I thought it was me and my buddies be fine. Like I would hate ever nigga Take up like if I put these headphones on down right now, but I ain't cuz come here, man I just looked on Instagram you trimming we hit I would be very mad if somebody recorded Put that shit out because this is my family like neither tomorrow. We good We finna go get in the car together like, you know, I'm saying so I don't know But that's what I thought it was. That's why I ain't never really look at it I can't have nothing to say because I thought I was spending like yeah a lot of um He shouldn't be like well, that's family business. So we stay out of it But when you think about it, it's like as again, you say you and your cuz you and your cuz got into it a long time ago And you just couldn't see I died for years And then you finally, you know caught him somewhere something probably sparked it Nobody really know what sparked that to just happen just like that And you just fought but you haven't been really talking for some years Yeah Well, I gotta ask you another question. I can't be down here and I'd ask this question So a lot of people We have people bet my hey man shout out to my team who writing doc all type of stuff up but You had some guys to get arrested down here on the rico charge all type of stuff going on in the atlanta area And i'm just trying to understand, you know, like Really from the outside looking in how's the chemistry down here now after all this stuff is happening like that far as you You know, you are you good? When all this shit happening with all these different, you know, I mean groups of people and you know, um I don't was jail or nobody not even my enemy. So I feel like it's bad first and foremost It's definitely bad. Like I it's fucked up. Right. But it makes the industry look a certain way I don't know. It just looked like to me There's something going on down here. I don't know. It's something I don't think it's just here because in Dallas the undead Trying to sweep up some stuff in Dallas I've been out of the way a long time. I don't fuck with niggas. I don't I'll be by myself I think they trying to clean up where Rappers are concerned because it seemed like to me to seem like they're just attacking a lot of rappers I don't even think that I think we're having me for me personally, right? Because I rap, right? But I rap. That's what I do. I rap I ain't doing nothing else I ain't I ain't involved in nothing else You know what I'm saying? I don't hang around niggas on nothing else Are you too? Biggest mistake of my life We're one of them because that shit yeah, sir I mean, man, I'm sorry. You know that's it. Yeah, that's yeah, but yeah I learned from that shit that's like I said earlier a lot of those that opened up for me were closed because of people I fucked away, you know what I'm saying so, um I knew early get out of the way of this shit like I'm not a street niggas I'm not trying to be in the street. I don't care what the niggas say. I know who I am I know what I came from. I know what I conquered. I know what I overcame You know I'm saying I'm out of the way. You gotta drive two hours to come see me You my boy, but I ain't coming out of the hang with you and like nothing but bullshit on my hand You did pull up on me. Let's kick it. Let's hang. Yeah, we family But I ain't going on But every time I turn on like, you know, I don't watch the news hardly I jump on TMZ and see what's going on for news wise or on social media But it just feels like a lot of it like, you know, when they did that to Bill Cosby When they did it to R. Kelly when oh, yeah All of that and that's why I say it's something going on Yeah, I just saw that shit the day man They trying to get that boy life Life and and I interviewed I got an interview coming out that with one of his cousins The story that I hear behind it. I don't even know if we talked about it We talked about it off air. We talked about it off air, but it's more to people don't even realize what be going on But you only know what social media or what he was telling you Yeah I'll be like what so you didn't know he was arrested. No, like I'm like when I see that shit It says I'm out of here run Muffin some Yeah About a month now. Is it about a month and a half a month and a half now. That's great man. Yeah, but um Yeah, it's all going on because even like I know what it is. I just had an idea the white bull just hit It Is cool because it's all black folks It's cool when them other people kids Round round listening and playing towards and all that and then they go back home to their other place But it ain't cool when this is what we come from for real This is how we live in for real and we rap about it now They starting to sell you influencing Timmy to become Correct. Yeah. Yeah, we gotta do something about this I don't want to raise a granddaughter. It's twerking our ass every day. That's what's happening. That's what it gotta be Yeah, they like hold on. Let's cut this shit because think about this, right? Let me tell you something about um Because when you said the archery thing I I I learned some shit about um Elvis Same thing. Yeah, exactly, but it was cool. It was okay. I mean not not. I ain't saying it's okay But nobody made no ruckus about it and it's after me doing more research It's a lot of more people Because if you think about it back in the days or even even now It's like a lot of if the parents give you consent And if your child is underage for a lot of stuff if the parents give you consent even to marry somebody who's way older That's consent that is given exactly that's between a parent and that person But that's what I'm saying. You got the people that sit here and I ain't saying that in no cold way or not I don't know who the people are. I'm just saying these people. You got people that sit here and can wake up the day and be mad because Daydaughter and change their mind right or whatever how it can happen Like you feel I got a son, right? And I had a scare with my son, right? How old is your son? He's nine and you already got a scare. I got a scare You understand me young for you to get scared man. That's what I thought you feel me, but I mean Without getting into too much detail, right? The girl was old, you know So she got embarrassed because somebody recorded it The mama try to oh hell no She don't she diss and that she don't even do that man Like the principal in them saw the video like well, we can't tell she's not uh You feel me and they having all schools or when you that's good that they said that exactly That's the part because if I told my son, I said, hey, bro, you nine is old Stop Let it go, man. Hey, bro, stop. I said right that should let you know right now It's all really good. So she can go crazy. Stop But we tell our kids all the time and I know a lot of parents do this to all their kids Don't do nothing. You don't want to come out on social media because number one You don't know who gonna record it right you take pictures take videos You send it to this person thinking that oh, they going to keep it to themselves There's no such thing as they can keep it themselves. They could lose their phone somebody can hack their phone So it can get out there. So do not put anything on social media that you do not I'm so I'm so don't record none. Don't don't do anything that you don't want I mean telling my fiance that all this time like, hey, man, why you why you what's this? What are you putting this camera out for? You know what I mean? Chill, man. Like Unless we're going to make all the fans Yeah It has good and bad The bad part is that right the good part because one thing he has always told me even before we started any of this Is the fact that record everything for the main fact that that's what she'd be all for the main fact that God forbid you're gone. Yeah, I mean they have those your kids You wish I guarantee you wish you had film footage of your grandparents I do your daddy mama, whoever if you don't have that already. I don't I do a video Because we had back that's my favorite thing to tell people like yeah, he always would say that Man, you're right. I agree with that. I lost a lot of people earlier. You can't You can't hear your voices anymore. I can just hear a cd movement. I let my daughter see who never got to see My daughter by my wife never got to meet my mom My my son never got to meet my mom my older kids did but they can't remember She passed away with counsel and she was 46 And they was babies my son now that's 29 and my other daughter that's 28 That's that they were babies when she died, you know, so it's like if I had a video to show you see pictures But it's nothing like hearing hearing a voice or seeing a motion a movement So your kids will get to see that just to know like this is what you come from. This is why y'all this is why y'all have a goal Right. Yeah Your motion you smile. Just like Just don't make an explicit one Let me tell y'all some She be doing some stuff. Wow, you know me. I'm well, I ain't gonna say you know me like you know me, but I'm sexual me and my girl gonna do Hell yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. Right. I come up. I come up the camera light on I see wants to really get freaky with you. I said, it's always I know baby don't stop. It's just so good. Hey man. Hell no Because you know what at the end of the day you can look at it like this Hold on. Let me tell you. I'm thinking you be letting my daughter She can lock it so she can She can lock certain footage that she nobody can get to oh for real. Oh, yeah. Well, I need to get that You need to figure that part out. Yeah facts because you because I what she's doing I'm not talking for her But and when you're not around she can still look at that and enjoy herself. No, that's fine. Yeah, do that That's what she be trying to kick. Oh, no, baby. You know, this just when you're gone. Yeah Okay, I'm going to ask since you brought that up here we go And I've never asked this question. No, you started it. What's y'all favorite position? What the hell this ain't that She like And closing in on it What's your favorite position nigga go to sleep You got three kids Oh, they young how many kids you got you got three that I hit that right five. Who that nigga that working over there? Yeah, yeah to a dot and yeah, yeah, you did say that. Yeah, you got you got a family in here That's really hard until it stopped. So you she wants more you want more. Oh, well, I do You know, I said, I don't know. I might have to call one of these dollars again. I'm a cup of that Shit is So any of the kids in the music yet, man? Yeah, my son wanted to produce like he been making beats on the phone or whatever My daughter uh, claire, she want to she won't do everything though. She want to sing ballet. Is she good? Yeah Like I'm I don't know who I need to talk to to get on niggalody Uh, uh, uh, uh, what is it? What what what they got going on? They got a lot of different stuff, man. Disney. I mean, yeah Get on this youtube. Let me tell you something the way how anybody get this covered. Yeah, you can put it out there But start doing some skits start doing some singing have her post all of these, you know her singing We did guess what we got going on. We vlogging now. Right adventures with the linens. Yeah Where can they find that? I ain't I ain't I've been recording. Yeah, I've just been recording because when you gonna put it out I gotta I told you I don't edit it. Oh, so I'm trying to I gotta get my boy What's up doing the editing for Get your kids to learn how to do that edit so they can do it themselves. Yeah, my son edited, right So it's something that they can learn and know how to do. Yeah, just put it on them. They gotta get this done You can learn anything off of you too. My daughter asks to go to school. She in high school. She's going for um, Uh, whatever this is right here Yeah, perfect. So she should do that then. Yeah, but she the thing is she want to do clothes She want to create clothes. Yeah, that's in the class because that's what they gave her this semester Pale you got to pay nothing happens by accident. Yeah, you gotta pay her to do it. Yeah, to do the do the things That's how he did he pays Get to pay these niggas, man Don't you want to pay you sir? No, no, no, they gonna be like no, throw me some Keep the money in the family Like damn man, they came over three of them programs right quick That's the way it be man. So man, we love you brother, man How can people get a hold to y'all always have to ask that right? Um, any social media will not any because I I forgot when I made tiktok somebody took my name I'm about to ask you how the tiktok going because you were going in Yeah, like somebody, you know how all my shit is direction or somebody, you know, some a fan, maybe Oh, before you actually got out. Yeah, because I wasn't on tiktok. Like I didn't know nothing about it. How's it going? I don't know. I can't you don't check it I'm not posting today It's rare. I ain't know about you. Bro, you both post 10, 20 times a day. I'm gonna be so honest with you. Am I right? Okay, hold on. You post on instagram on instagram, right? Right, like because I'm kind of like So anything you post on instagram just post it on tiktok. I've been It's hard to do it that way. I'm gonna tell you this this the secret I don't know. Maybe I might be about to expose some about the social media. Okay, go ahead But it used to be I could do the tiktok and click add to instagram and go straight up, right? Something's going on. I ain't fucking with each other. So it don't work no more Right And then when I try to like download the video and post it that shit don't work. It is like it's a code on this shit Yeah, yeah, like no, we don't know and I'm like, hey man Trump ain't in office. Let me get when we get done. I'll show you. Trump ain't in office. No, most things change After they can get in the white house They ain't real, listen to me The world all right, all right, let me say something. Let me give you false positive shit Shout out to everybody who survived through uh, you know this this uh pandemic we've been going through Because it was hard. It was real hard. I know it was hard for me. Yeah, what no show What? Man, it was all right, bro. It was tough. So I shot out everybody who did whatever they had to do to get on But the world has been a fucking movie ever since Man, don't fall kitten in that white white. Hey, bro, you know how scared as a black man I was to ever go to the white man. They went up there and acted just to go like shit I don't know if I need to go to the how they go though. Don't fall when they're like, hey, man motherfucker They went over there. Yeah, and I'm like, ooh I never get a cut trump walked out there with the bible and held it up and walked back in and like what I thought it was a different world. But it was it was so crazy. I thought the show that somebody was on Then Kanye was up there. Kanye was up there like it's people But it's not even that but it's a lot of people even like trump supporters people was going around trump supporters everywhere And was seeming like they would get violent And they call that a they if we walk around three deep and we having to slap somebody we again Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's a difference, man You know, it's very much different when you walk around there and uh get up by that white house And you think you know when we went, you know, you can't even get up close enough to even you can look over the Yeah, man, there's no foes in there standing on shit And the drawings Invest against that because I think people still getting arrested from from that That's correct at the same time Was coming out everything The world I don't see it I survived because nigga features oh y'all nigga right here getting money. Oh, yeah It was some niggas. Did you bring that pp? Don't it was like niggas got a million dollars something. I got a mil tick Yo, I seen niggas got like hundreds of niggas My father told me like niggas. I just got 90,000 niggas. I said really you're like, I don't even got a job I salute everybody For surviving But your ass better have you Don't fall go god damn what they call you they think that oh, I got away with it because it's been a year or two Man, please This is uh, what it's that? Where it's at? Where it's at? That's how it's shaked out. Oh, they already done spend that off. It don't matter They're gonna just oh, they got a place for oh, they showed Say man, how is what you're shouting pgf shout we gonna we gonna we gonna ever get we gonna get some music Again, like just something else. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I had an album I mean I had a song for this album specifically for him And then I don't know we just didn't do it too busy Busy that boy I work so I know he always he ever he all over the place, bro Last time I was over there that nigga rap man. He just in the kitchen with it. I loved it. I I'm like this nigga. He playing with these things. I'm talking about he ain't playing He doing the video. He's starting to bend it like bro going hard like he work He's somebody that I can respect um Business wise like from just waking up one day to saying I want to do this and doing all that shit managing himself setting up his own shows doing his own marketing shit Rapping because it's like a lot to wrap man To make a song that you want to let people hear it takes a lot When he when he came on the show the first time when he was talking about you he's talking about he said man He got what he say he say you had gotten shot and he didn't even know it I'm like, what got a nigga this nigga done got shot and he didn't know it for No, my was it something like that? He was talking about he was talking about Oh, my shit didn't shot up. Oh, okay. So you didn't get shot. I'm like the nigga got shot and he didn't know the nigga got shot So something happened but it was something happened and and you didn't know he didn't know Yeah, he was the situation my shit. I got shot up more than once and the first time he was standing right there with me okay, but He didn't like he was he was he was like, yeah, that's for somebody else man. That shit. I ain't for us I'm like nigga my time you a hit Jals Like and I and honestly I thought yeah, you're right because I don't Ball's nobody. Yeah. Like I'm a good like and when I say good nigga, I don't mean bitch. Like yeah, I'm a good nigga I'm a lord. I'm a respectful nigga. I'm a man. I respect everybody they sets they size how they living Like I respect it. So I'm like, yeah, that's your name for me. You're right. We go to the next club I'm tell this shit happening one night. Oh, I didn't know that This shit happenin one night so it's probably same people I know I know yeah, but but what I'm saying is He from that's all he can say like from that. He was like, yeah, damn I ain't know but what he didn't know my shit got when we left that second club my she got shot Yeah, he didn't know that Okay, and I and ultimately I stopped fucking me like I don't like damn you didn't know what we're going Yeah, I got a hundred niggas around me and don't nobody know what happened Nobody yeah, and as I'm leaving I see I see all y'all niggas dead chillin, which I don't blame nobody I'm not mad and nobody for yeah, I just knew that night No, I always feel like you know I can have too many people around you because you can't keep your eye on so many people to really know what their motives are Right, that shit was crazy like a nigga. I thought Ross was in like, you know how you I'm in the track He I'm thinking rocks kicking up in the car He rocking it yeah, and then I'm like and now one hit you not Close so many times like all did you thank God? Thank you God every day still to this day Like I would never forget what it was like for me to go home and look at that How to tell my daughter like bruh That almost didn't come home night, and I want to know some Daddy gonna come home every night. Yeah, I'm not I would have been scared to tell my kids because for the main fact that Every time when I leave they gonna be so worried on reason I did cuz my daughter's is like really like I talked to him Yeah, and I want to know don't think this shit cool You hang around these little niggas and these boys and shit, and they think and everything funny You can shout it ain't funny. You are gonna die and ain't funny my niggas Oh, I talked to my kid like hey dad almost like a home now. How did man? How did they handle that though? Well, when you told him that they just listen. Yeah, they just listen no lie They just listen How did you and shout patch it back up? How did y'all get past that cuz I think he told us no I won't never mad at y'all though. No, I'm saying but in his heart. He felt like he let you guys you didn't That's what it was. Yeah, I never knew that No, he told us didn't he told us that he didn't talk to him He tried to call or something I ain't talking nobody, but he didn't know that but imagine that person It's called who he felt like he let you down Brutal, so I did what he's saying, but it it was Everybody nobody but he wouldn't know that but that's the thing like It was like this, right? He didn't go to the hood. It's like I y'all talk to the red and they say yeah, but I ain't talking nobody So if he feel like that everybody feel like yeah, you get what I'm saying Yeah, so when I did feel like talking again, I put up the phone for who I fuck Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, change my name in everything. Yeah, cool. I don't want like it put me in a mental state like I Just don't even want to be around nobody like Just because yeah because bro like You don't know nobody Everybody making up different I heard a million different stories, right? Who done it who done it why all I want for you Oh, it ain't that it ain't this You know what it don't even know yeah Don't even matter it happened Y'all don't know what happened exactly or at least y'all want to say this happened, but now me me Have my other little shit going on I find out exactly what happened, right? Mm-hmm. Now. I'm just like, yeah I'm good Yeah, I got being I don't care who don't like it. I don't care who don't want you know me. I'm good Yeah, I ain't mad I ain't hating I ain't hunting I ain't looking I don't care for you You don't exist to me. Exactly. You know I mean I've been there like yeah. Yeah, once your mind go there I shut you down It's over. I'm so not mad. You obviously the movie when a nigga walking and stuff blowing up behind him Going on yeah, I ain't got time for that man. I did what I had to do with that. I'm done Yeah, I know I know He loved me. That's it. That's it man, and we love you bruh We appreciate you man. Like I said, I can't stress it enough. I'm getting you the Dallas nigga I try to see I wouldn't not tell I'm gonna fly this nigga Dallas and fly him back in one day Rocket one of my men's rockets over there. He right. Yeah, they were trying to take you to Dallas Time you've been to Dallas man. I ain't been a Dallas Cover my show. I don't give a damn I ain't been in a minute. I ain't really like working on the album. I'm gonna be a hunter I've only been taking shows if I like kind of need it. Yeah, I do like to balance out some other shit Like you know what I'm saying? So I just been living off What I know what I'm gonna do. So I just been like, yeah, let me focus on the album Let me finish the album. Once I finish we can start bad taking dates So for example, I had a show on Arkansas Saturday I'm only doing that to balance out other shit because I'm the label like it's me in my team like I know what it is. I mean, so when the videos come through and beat the 10,000 That's right. When we need got them Ads and apps and shit and all that I'm paying for that. Yeah, you know, I'm saying So that's why I was saying early just to touch that, but if you become independent You better have your shit together I thought about what you saying cuz I was like, man, you know what man? You would have to have like you got some solid managers and some people really understand the dynamics of how to move in an independent situation You can be powerful as hell. You can but you got to have the right people on your team That's all right people if you got out of Venice to that's my own distribution. They doing that shit Don't don't and you got to have somebody to understand what visit Venice Yeah, you got to have somebody understand Venice on your team like dealing with that You know because you can't be everybody and everything to everybody when you're trying to deal with artistry It's just so many different moving parts to what you're trying to accomplish, right? Yeah So man, that's you can't do that shit like I said, we're having a long is hard as hell Well, just remember don't sign up contracts with no man. Just run around this whole renegade I Was in the fucked up contract before Well, fuck me up the most when they say some shit like if you don't sign it if you don't send in the Um What is it the the the I guess request to not be in Yeah, within six days So, yeah, I didn't thought I'm gonna get him to Dallas man, but I gotta bring his fiance to yeah for show Both of them and then we will work out She do have man and she's amazing like her page is glitter house boutique Don't her shit called glitter house boutique page glitter house with the two edges. So it's like, uh, yeah So she don't have we Coloring that she she like master natural like But she doing every time Yeah, that's a blessing man and basically, you know, how long she been at it man She did some shit and I'm gonna tell you why I feel good We're doing this some shit She probably drained by there's a little girl and it took a real nigga to come on life until let's get let's get do it Let's do it. Hang on stop. That's real. Yeah, no and and you back and then she back It's going down once again, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show I'm gonna in this thing like this man. You got anything else for the real the show Did we miss anything? Anything we know cuz we caught we let him talk. Oh, yeah All right, so the last man the new monster the most was different with me. Yeah, it's just me Okay, I ain't got a hundred niggas running around me with fucked-up ass energies and biasing Yeah, I don't have to watch over my shoulders every fucking day. Yeah, you know, I'm so I'm happy I'm the most happy as I ever been in my entire life. That's good. You feel me most peaceful I ever been in my entire life most mentally stable. I've ever been in my entire life. I have some slips, but Rally Every time he talk exactly I go to video shoes. I get out of sprinter. It's me my kids When did it click when did it click man? That's what you needed because the last time when we did an interview I'm telling you you are in my prayers because when you started talking about your mental state and you know The days that you have and all of that. Mm-hmm. I was worried about you. I appreciate that. They helped to thank you I wasn't worried about it. I Know man, I just like I say I just pray I've been praying just for peace The reason I wasn't worried about it because we talked about his kids last time When he said that tear dropped and when you think about going to the school and when he's trying He's telling you that I remember that he's fighting through at that point for me I already know that he was fighting it, but I know I know My kids like I wish all of them would stay with me, but my other daughter back, you know, I'm yeah, yeah Yeah, I ain't tripping. Yeah talk more. We talk more. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that's it And it's fun like it's really a good feeling like fun like to be able to watch my beautiful children Happy man peep they characters wrist it and They they they the things they like to do like they become little people like And it's like I'm peeping them ones a dancer electrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Then my other daughter cool way back. Let me you know, I want to do clothes. I'm I keep the house clean I'm gonna be on my thing. I'm gonna move this around. No my baby my baby baby one She growing up Funniness got a fucking whole different This the best feeling no matter what I go through I can be mad every damn day I walk in the house. She see me Everything beautiful Graduate and leave not a house. She ain't got to leave my kid Going to college Look at me like you remember see any parent you look at your children and they're always Kids to you no matter how old they get there's still your little babies Mm-hmm, and you turn around you like they grown. Yeah, or the one that at home She driving and every day, you know, you're worried when they get up You know, okay, I'm stressing you know fair. I know that part. Yeah, but Far as I'm going to college or whatever I'm gonna say this But it's not for y'all, right This is me my life my thoughts my kids Uh-huh. I ain't pushing that college shit on them. Mm-hmm. That's what they want to do though do that I'm more into teaching you how to Survive no be a boss. No, you know me school to open the damn business You feel me? I mean now if you want to you know become Then how do you be in but I'm pushing my kids on what they want to do because they got somebody I never had which is me. That's real. I'm gonna open it up for you. What you want to do You want to be a rapper? I bet a carol a you do it on me, but you better do it on my dog I Man my daughter got damn look here ABC knew my dog need you need to put her shit up on you know me Yeah, I ain't had it. I ain't had about that open up the door for them real time. I ain't pushing that college You know no, no, I don't give a fuck what it is. I don't blame you I'm now niggas again. I'm learning that news getting paid means the dollars playing video games. Yeah. Yeah Come on DJ play. I am not gonna interrupt you Thanks Yeah, but that's that's that different monster. I'm happy. That's good. Yeah, I had another question But I forgot it came out in my head. That's how I love man. I can say this is family now I just told you come to Dallas think I'm playing no cap No kids get this nigga all the way to Dallas him and his wife took me around this camp. When's the date anyway? Oh, yeah, she keeps talking about Summertime like Like you nervous I Think that the wedding is supposed to be high over the white one Let's go I'm gonna go mode. I told you we could do it. Yeah I hope the birthdays and shit get a little smaller now I gotta ask you before you get a what where is uh First of all, is it anybody out here that you've heard that you heard doing the music? I think I've seen was it move move Who's this this guy you did a song money move money move? I mean like like who who's and I just mentioned him because I knew y'all did a song together But who down here is did you hear in the sound from that you like that? That's a nice sound that you you know you hadn't heard Huncho Huncho. Yeah, I'm gonna lick him up. Yeah, Huncho. I'm loving how he's on the right now He definitely got like I'm noticing like I'm seeing all the like Street nigga kids cause I mean they fucking with it cuz he doing the sign he wrapped in that pain but putting that sauce on Where is he from? We're part of town. I think he's from the east side east side going in going crazy Yeah, yeah, like I ain't even cabin like he gone crazy like everybody in streets feeling it honcho Yeah, I'm just speaking off from you feeling. Yeah me You know music and you really do this. Yeah, if I if I When I put my hand and be in the CEO, you'll see what I know I be having to put in the work to build it up I gotta build up from the ground so it ain't like I'm going in bed is what a company that's gonna let me be as equal as them So I have to be in my shit up and become the company and then I'm gonna do that Would you sign a guy like you sign Huncho? Yes in a heartbeat. You know either one. I know it is. I Believe I Know You and see H. Oh look him up Huncho Shout out to Huncho man. Yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, shout out everybody though There's nothing got a lot of a lot of it's a lot of news coming out a lot of them coming right now Fat, but I'm just saying you know the one that you've been seeing that you've been hearing that sound that pain sound from yes Already I'm trying to get in there with him. Well, I'm gonna tell you right now. You get Huncho. Okay, and I'm I'm gonna say I got a nigga name What's the name? You're talking about Buffy John. Oh, yeah Yeah, I want to I bring Huncho you I mean you bring Huncho I bring Buffy Johnson. Okay We don't see Yeah, I want that nigga that I wish I could get that nigga I need get something for that nigga. I need to find link with that dude man For sure. Yeah, the reason being because I got one becoming in a couple of weeks back on the show Even What Huh, yeah, man, let me Do not know why was it maybe because we talking about Dallas or some shit, but Deon sounds man, what about it? You see how close prime. Well, I'm Me I'm me Dallas I'm gonna have to pull the coach I want to see you know your next level is to be that CEO that one that builds the way to Bring that wave to where you can help people to come through and not get treated the way you felt like you got treated Some of the situation that's your job. I feel like that is my purpose like that's what I put here for I swear cuz I do that even without music in my life in general. Yeah on my everyday speaking with people speaking with strangers That's it right there. Yeah, that's it That's your next level because that's the way you have to usher these new guys in and they get to get sheltered a little bit But they still gonna go through they try you still gonna have your person, but it's you know Hey, don't do that. We can't do that cuz I I stayed with this not to happen that way exactly But now you gonna bump over here, but you won't bump like this Yeah, for sure bless you man. Peace and love we love you man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101. What a boss is talk. Yeah, we out