 I have it says hello, hello, oh, hello, hello, hello and welcome to the Apple vision show. Can you hear us? Give us a shout out if you can hear us, or we will not start. No, Zoe says hello, so we are, we are live and direct. All right. What's going on? Oh, look it. There's Tom Merritt waiting for us. You might know him. I think you might know him. Yep. All right. So I'm going to now leave the chat room, go back to the little control room, and then I'll come back. So I will be looking. I will be looking at chat as we go forward. So everybody who wants to talk to us during the show, let us know. You know, as the more feedback, the better, but shall we start? Let's start. Here we go. Three, two, welcome to Apple vision show, the show that is all things Apple. I'm Sarah Lane, who's with me and I'm Eileen and I'm Eileen Rivera. That would be Eileen. She's with me. Hi, y'all. This is episode two. We are, we are, you know, we're, we're in the spring season of the show. You know, we're just we're getting things going here. But it is a very exciting time for all things Apple. And by the way, the Apple vision show is about all things Apple. The Vision Pro, the iPhone, the Mac, the all things Apple. The apps, the Mac, the watch, everything, guys. It's not just about the Vision Pro, although we're going to be talking a lot about the Vision Pro today. We are going to be talking about the Vision Pro. And in fact, let's get some of the big news out of the way. So Apple released Vision OS, which is the, the, the operating system for the Vision Pro, Vision OS 1.0.3. That is about two weeks after the Vision Pro 1.0.2 update. This is significant, though. And for anybody who followed along for our conversation on our inaugural show is this is a big deal because what the latest update allows you to do is not have to go back into an Apple store if you forget your password. Can you believe, Sarah, that you could have avoided this whole situation last week, going, driving through. We had torrential. Shakes fist at cloud. You know, it was kind of dangerous to be on the roads, to be honest with you. But for the sake of the show, everything is fine. But like it was one of those days where I was just like, all right, let's get in the car, go to the Apple store because I have no other option. I lean and I have to do a show. But, but yeah, so the, the latest update. So the details of this are, and again, I stand by, I stand by my story that I did not actually forget my password. Something was up with the Vision Pro. I lean had it first, gave it over to me. You did everything right. I didn't, I didn't do anything wrong yet. Somehow I got lucked out in a very, very strange way. However, was not the only one. In fact, that was like a story that dominated, you know, lots of stuff last week. You know, a lot of people being like, if you forget your passcode, you have to like mail your pro in, you know, to an Apple store. If you're not like pretty close to one. I thankfully was not super far from my nearest Apple store. So all was well. You heard that story last week. But the latest news is that, okay, if you break your Vision Pro because you forget your passcode or, or whatever reason, something else happens. You no longer have to do that. You can basically reset it the way that you could reset an iPhone or an iPad. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm glad they watched our show. And I'm gonna, you know, it's nice to be heard, right? It's nice to be heard. I'm sure your story traveled all the way to the top. You know, Tim Cook was a little bothered with the Super Bowl situation, but he's like, you know, we got to fix this for Sarah. We got to fix this for Sarah and whoever else came to their stores bothered like, you mean I have to come in here with this. You can't just give me some like option to, you know, reboot the system. This is ridiculous. I feel like there was somebody out there going, this was ridiculous. And yeah, nobody has to go what you went through anymore. What a special moment you had. You know what? Thank you, Eileen. It was special. I, you know, you know, first responder, you know, took one for the team. But honestly, again, not that big of a deal. Yeah, it was raining, you know, but like not that big of a deal. But had I been, in fact, I was explaining the story to a friend of mine who lives in Arkansas and she was like, I don't even know what I would do. I would have to mail it in. I mean, I just, I'm just not near an Apple store. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's a very valid, you know, reason that this needed to get handled sooner than later. All right. So we, you mentioned, you mentioned the Super Bowl yesterday. And all right, Eileen, so tell me about, tell me about your weekend because I think your weekend was like pretty cool. OK, my weekend was pretty good. I do want to say that I was very sensitive in asking you about the Super Bowl. And I wasn't sure if I should bring it up. You know, I was like, I don't know. You know, I was like, you're rooting for the 49ers because I was like, I really hope my co-host is happy. And then it happened. And I was like, OK, so how do I handle this? Do I you were so nice to me this morning? Like, is it, you know, are you comfortable talking about it? And I'm like, yeah, I'll be fine. I mean, yes, I'm a 49ers fan. I'm from San Francisco and they did not win yesterday. Good game, though. Good game. A lot of fun. In fact, Apple, huge presence for anybody who who who watched the show. But yes, I will I will persevere will be OK. We will rebuild and we'll get them next year. Well, I went to Vegas not for the Super Bowl. And for those of you who are watching our video stream, I'm going to play a little bit of some visuals from my really less than 24 hours weekend in Vegas. And for those of you who have been listening since the very beginning, when we did our workshop, we talked a little bit about Adele. Well, I went to her concert as I teased and it was gorgeous. She sounded amazing. But look at this is how close I got, Sarah. And and at this moment, like how like, how are you this close? She walked along the aisles towards the end of the show. And one of her songs, she just walked around this, like, you know, you know, you know, you've got sections. There's like a section before the second section. So we're in the bull section. And then there's another section above us. She walked around that area. And as this moment, she's about to turn. And I was like, oh, I'm right over here Adele. No, oh, I got really close. I couldn't say anything about Apple vision show. But you know what? That was very close. I feel like she probably absorbed it. I think she knew. So maybe she, you know, she's looking at me here. Maybe there's some day that she will, in fact, you know, be on our show. She was amazing. And yeah, there are certain artists where I would be like, Eileen, come on, let's get real. But like maybe Adele kind of. I feel like maybe that's a thing. She loves to chat. If you've ever seen her in concert. Oh, yeah. And by the way, this is related because I took that video on my iPhone. So there you go. It's all Apple related. She is very chatty and she likes to get to know her fans. And I bet she would like to get to know us, Sarah. So once again, manifesting, manifesting that some day we will have a brief chat with her and, you know, just got to put it out there. Because if you don't put it out there, it will never happen. Right, Sarah? That's right. Yeah, you got to you you speak it into existence. All right. So you were weirdly in Vegas, not for the Super Bowl, but to see Adele, you know, in and out real quick. Yep. For anybody who's, you know, not familiar with, I don't know, California and Nevada. It's a it's a quick trip. You can you can very quick go to Vegas and back in a single night, if you really want to. You can. Yeah, it's a 40 minute flight. Yeah, there you go. I will say that the entire city was just draped. You know, there was so much Super Bowl visuals. Everyone was talking about it. Everybody was talking about Taylor flying from Tokyo to see her man. All this stuff, but, you know, Apple's presence was, you know, the halftime show and usher. So let's see him, you know, topless here in this BBC article. Did you enjoy the show? I did. OK, so yes, the the the big game as as it's known did not go in my favor. It was a good game. It was a good game. Yeah, we don't have to talk about sports ball, you know, for this entire episode. But it was fun. I was over at a friend's house. There were probably about 10 of us there, you know, you know, pizza and, you know, you know, having a good time. So some of some some like there are a few commercials where I was like, everybody it's commercial, you know, Super Bowl commercial. Yeah, you know, like these are, you know, companies paid a lot of money for this. Like, let's absorb these advertisements. But the halftime show, I didn't know, like, how much I would care about the halftime show. I was pleasantly surprised. Roller skates. Yes. Hello. So much fun. Yeah. I thought he put on a hell of a show. I thought there was some sound issues, so far, I'm going to be honest. But apart from that, you know, he was working hard and that mic was live when it was on. Because sometimes at the beginning, at the beginning, it wasn't on. I don't know if you noticed. He was like, started to sing. I'm like, where's the mic? And then they finally are we're going to pop that volume up. Don't you love being a producer where you're like, my God, Mike, Mike, not hot. Mike, not hot. Who do I fire? Going live is very hard. So I totally respect everybody and mistakes are going to happen. But, you know, that was so minor and so quick. But, you know, Usher worked his tail off. He was sweating. He was, you know, he was topless. I mean, and, you know, I'm not, trust me, not a problem. But I mean, I'm like, OK, somebody is fit. Somebody is fit and ready for action. Yeah, no, I was great. I also love Alicia Keys and her was, you know, featured and ludicrous. I mean, it was, yeah, it was a fun time. I mean, I could I was, you know, going, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I was doing. So the my friend's house where where I was when we were watching this, like someone was like, when's Luda coming out? And like someone else like looked at us and was like, what? What? What's what's ludicrous? We're like, no, ludicrous, ludicrous. Well, what's ludicrous about this? I'm like, no, you'll see, you'll see. And sure enough, it happened. Oh, it was good. Sure. But so Apple, I think for the first time, Eileen, sponsored the halftime show. Yeah, I think it was for the first time. Yeah. And I don't know if you guys saw. But on Apple Maps, they actually called it out. So if you went into a stadium on Apple Maps and you did a little like 3D fly in, they showed like Super Bowl halftime show sponsored by, you know, on the actual like map itself. So, you know, it's a little Easter egg. If you if you felt like, you know, if you if you were on the map, if you were using Apple Maps, so they were doing a little bit of promotion there, too. But I don't know. It was it was fun. Good for them. They got the sponsorship. And yeah, I don't know if they sponsored last year or not. Sorry. I don't think so. No. I mean, first time, right? In case I'm yeah, in case I'm mistaken, I think this was the first time. Interestingly enough, I didn't see anybody wearing a Vision Pro at the at the big game, but I guess you wouldn't if you were there. No, no, I don't I don't think so. I think they were just kind of living the dream, you know, kind of wanting to just kind of take it all in. But I feel like one guy that was completely, you know, loving every minute of his Vision Pro experience was T-Pain. Now, now, now this this video that he posted on X, there's some expletives, you know? Yes. So, you know, we we we will will will spare you. But the point is he's like, I love it. Y'all thought Google Glass sucked. Well, this is the future. All right, here we are. And what's funny about that is that, OK, so I know he's like kind of being silly, but like, yeah, kind of not. Also, lots of talk about like, you know, and I wanted to ask you about this, Eileen, like the whole Google Glass thing like has turned into sort of a joke, but it's not a joke because the product was bad. It just was right to too early, too early before it's time. Yeah, yeah. You know, you got Robert's gobble in a shower, you know, wearing Google Glass, people are like, whoa, not ready. Don't want to see that. It's always not ready until Apple joins the team. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that's part of the reason that, you know, sometimes people who aren't just like all out Apple fans are just like, stupid Apple, you know, you know, it's always about Apple. But it does tend to move the needle. And I believe that, too. Yeah. Yeah. And the, you know, the idea of and Eileen and I were talking about this before we started recording today, where I was like, you know, for me to wear my Vision Pro, you know, out and about in my neighborhood, I got to walk my dog anyway, not a big deal. But I'm like still slightly concerned about like my own safety. Yeah. First of all, because it's expensive, you know, it'd be like robbing me for like a fancy purse, you know, same idea. But also because even though the pass through works really well, I'm like, am I like really ready to do this, you know, by myself? Not really. Not really. Yeah. And I think that's a really important part of the Vision Pro, you know, going forward. You had shared with me a great, it was a thread on Axe from a guy named Stephen Flanders who was like, here are. And this was stuff that he, I guess, sort of collected from other folks who had been sharing a variety of video use cases. But like, you know, for the medical industry, for coders, you know, if you're into astronomy, if you are on an airplane and, you know, Eileen and I just trying to get through it. Right. Yeah. You know, you know, thinking about, you know, 3D modeling, really, really cool stuff. Yeah. A lot of this, again, I feel like is still a hard sell for somebody to be like, well, but OK, I mean, I guess I could, you know, buy a couch and 3D model that, but can't I do that with my iPhone? The answer is yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's it's really the price still though, right? I mean, you know, having the unit now for a week, is there anything that has surprised you or that you've thought, oh, I think we can unlock X for our society by using this? You know, I mean, just think about it like in the future, when it's lighter and more affordable or there's just not a pro version, there's a consumer version like having had it for now a week. Is there anything yet that you've seen that is like this is the killer feature or are we still like not there? Yeah, that's a good question. I think there is a video that's been, you know, going around about, you know, somebody wearing the Vision Pro to fix a car like fix a, you know, a car engine and, you know, or I'm like, OK, well, I mean, I don't know how to do that. That just wouldn't be something that I would do. But I'm like, oh, that's really dope, you know, and, you know, in the medical field, I have friends that are, I am not. But, you know, they're like, yeah, this is pretty cool, pretty cool. Even though there are other options, you know, if you were to perform, I don't know, laparoscopic surgery, you don't need a Vision Pro to do that, but it is an option. And I really, I don't know. I feel like, I mean, I, I sat back in bed and watched a movie on the Vision Pro over the last week. And I was like, this is pretty nice, pretty nice. You sat through the whole thing, like through the whole movie. OK, I mean, I like laid in bed. It was, it was so were you watching like above you? Like, you know, yeah, well, I mean, I was just, yeah, I was just, you know, laying on my back. And what's funny is I don't know if any of y'all have heard the latest episode of The Tech John, which our friends produce. And Lamar Wilson was on The Tech John this week. And he was talking about how great the Vision Pro is for this exact like just sit back, watch, you know, experience. He was like, I have like an 85 inch television in my house and I prefer to watch things on the Vision Pro. And I get it. I get it. I think that, you know, a lot of people are like, well, why would I want to do that? You know, if I already have a TV. In fact, that was kind of it's still sort of is my question. But but it is immersive. And I don't know, like it feels like a safe space. It's hard to explain. Yeah, OK. It's cool though. It's very personal, right? It's all, you know, very personal, hearing the word personal and kind of like that's why, you know, sharing it is going to be difficult. Like, you know, I don't need it anytime soon, Sarah. But when you like if you pass it back to me, you're going to have to reset the whole thing, right? And then like it's just kind of, I think, right? It's kind of annoying to have to lose all your settings, right? If I once I eventually hand it back to you, right? That that's a good point. So so we don't we didn't really touch on this last week too much. But once you get a Vision Pro, you know, it's it's, you know, it's it's in your hands. If you want a guest to sort of try it out, that's possible. But right, because it is tracking your eyesight, anybody who's a guest has a very limited like option for, you know, playing around with it, right? In fact, you and Tom had the situation at, you know, when when when you had it the first couple of days. Yeah, absolutely. Because the the touch or the, you know, the the pointing everything was related to me and, you know, he's even left handed. You know what I mean? Like it's just it's not perfect. It's not a perfect it's not an easy swap, you know, it's just so taste. So I will I will I'm going to admit an incredible flex that I performed yesterday. And that was my friend who had a Super Bowl party. I brought the Vision Pro over and it's little carrying case. It's not in the case now, but but I was it was in the case and he was just like, no way. Let me add it. And I was like, see what you can do? Oh, you're going to need my passcode. But even after that, he was like, hmm, well, can't you just like give me like a guest account? And I was like, no, weirdly. Yeah, it's like it's a strange experience if you're a friend of a friend kind of thing. Right. I mean, you can watch things. You can launch. Yeah, give them the access and stuff. But it's still it won't work as well as it does for your own self. It's really like the guest account is like, I'm just going to keep you just enough away. You're really on the other side of the wall, but I'll give you a taste. Let me just let me just like sneak some food around the corner. That's kind of what you're doing. You're not really sharing. You're not really on the same side of the wall. Yeah, which is funny because so the only the only real, I don't know, experience I've had that I could compare this to would be the quest, the meta quest. OK, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, same thing where like I always talk to, you know, anybody who will listen to me is like working out in VR is so fun, y'all. It's so great. You never have to join a gym again. It's so fun. But one of my my favorite apps for for the quest is Supernatural. Work it out. But OK, it all, you know, like it like will scan you like how tall are you? Like, you know, when you're setting the whole thing up, it's like, OK, now like do a squat, like how far do your knees go down type thing? Like, OK, you know, reach up here, reach up there. It all is supposed to be, you know, catered to you based on, you know, your body type. Yeah. So the Vision Pro, I just wish there was more of that. OK, maybe that's coming soon, though. Yeah, I was going to ask you, you know, again, now that you've had it for a week, like the major differences between the quest and the Apple Vision Pro. And what do you think? I mean, besides price, you know. Yeah, yeah. I mean, price, price, obviously a big thing. I also, you know, somebody had mentioned, I think it was in, you know, one of our Discord chats, like, oh, is the Vision Pro is, you know, is the front, the the front, you know, glass, not actually glass, plastic. And I was like, well, I mean, do you not want it to be plastic because it was glass, it would be that much heavier. Yes. And it's heavy. It's heavy. Yeah, it's already heavy. It is. Yes. So if you like, if somebody said, I can afford either, which one would you tell them to buy? The Quest or the Pro? Oh. Good Q. I don't know. I. When I first set up the Vision Pro, and I'm, you know, being totally honest, I was like, wow, this is so cool. OK. The Quest feels like a toy. Oh, interesting. OK. The Vision Pro feels like almost something where I'm like, I should become a developer to make the most, you know, to make the most of this like very expensive piece of hardware that I now, you know, have, you know, at my disposal. It, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't know how you feel about, you know, VR in general. But, you know, for the longest time, I was like, I just don't care. I just don't care. Yeah. I don't care about VR or AR. You know, I'll talk about it all day, but I just don't personally care. Now I actually care quite a bit because I see what's going on here. I do think that Apple has its work cut out for it because this is an expensive device that, you know, many developers are keen to, you know, to to be a part of. And then you have the rest of us who are just sort of like, all right, what do you got? What do you got? Exactly. Like it's such a premium device, as you're saying, compared to the Quest. But I do agree that they really have to show us what is the value of this piece of technology and show us quick, you know, because it's fun to be entertaining, to see people in restaurants, to see people on the train, to actually it's cool, you know, the technology itself to be able to kind of pin things to this to the air and all of that. But like, how is this really going to benefit? I mean, to be so, you know, to be so crass about how is this really going to help our life? You know what I mean? Well, that's not crass. I think that I think that's a very, very valid question. You know, especially because it's like, I mean, if this thing was 17 dollars, it's like, you know, everybody stopped complaining. It's not. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. We have the naysayers out there like, why are you spending all your money on this and there's all this other stuff in the world going on? You know, you've got that kind of discussion going on. You know, it's a classic too. And that's the early adopter thing. It's like, you're always going to get the people who are like, I mean, well, first of all, people like us are doing this because we're trying to help others, you know, by sharing our experiences. But if you're a developer, if you, you know, if there's if there's a great reason that this is much more than a toy, awesome. I do feel like we are not quite there yet. Like we're we're a couple cycles away from the average person being like, this is fun, you know, it's a toy, but it's also useful. And and that's one of the things I actually I don't even know if I mentioned it last week. One of the things I like the most about this is when I tether the Vision Pro to well, it could be this computer that I'm on right now, but my laptop, you know, I can make the laptop, you know, it's a big old monitor. And it basically I'm just using my laptop with the Vision Pro as my eyes and everything else works the same. You know, I type on my keyboard, all that stuff. That actually is pretty good. Use your keyboard. That works really well. The budget keyboard. That's awesome. It works. It works perfectly fine. I mean, you could you can do the virtual one as well. But all right. And this goes back to your face. I feel like the virtual one. I'm like, oh, can I just push it away from my face? And a friend of mine was like because he was interested. He was like, do you get like a haptic feedback thing when you, you know, press a key? And I was like, no, you don't. You get a little click, so you know you're doing it right. But no, like there if there was a little bit more of some sort of haptic situation, I think that that would count for a lot. I'm not crazy about that. Yeah, the the keyboard in the sky, but but. You know, it kind of also goes back to a conversation that I feel like a lot of people are having where it's like, oh, OK, so if I, I don't know, I, you know, I live in a small apartment. I don't have a big TV. I don't, you know, have an office type thing. This is your office. And it's pretty great. But then you say, well, you know, if somebody is living in a smaller space, do they have the money for the Vision Pro? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I saw something that's a little bit of a trade-off. You know, give I saw something on social media and whether or not it's true, where it looked like the Vision Pro was giving an error because the person did not have enough space. It was like in a studio. This person was trying to use it in a studio apartment that was too small for the Vision Pro. For the vision. The vision. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a real small studio. I mean, I'm looking at like this look like a 500 square foot studio. Like, you know, like some place you'd probably find in New York, right? Or here, but it was given an error message like there's not enough space. Now, again, I don't know if that was real, but, you know, people are throwing stuff out there and, you know, you can believe it or not. But I wish I had saved that post. I was like, oh, is this real? I don't really know. You know, the only other thing. And I know we're going to talk about things besides the Vision Pro. It's just very exciting for us. So we're very excited right now. You know, the only other thing is I knew that I would have to be tethered to the battery, the battery. Yeah, yep. And, you know, from a I depleted the battery on purpose the other day and that, you know, plugged it in first thing in the morning. Like, OK, how long is it going to take, you know, before I'm like up and running again, you know, a couple of hours. It's, you know, it gives you the green light quite literally when it's ready. But and I was like, yeah, not a big deal, but not a workout device. OK, yeah. This is a heavy ass battery, you know, and you got to put it somewhere. And, you know, you got to wear the thing. It's it's just it's it's not a deal breaker, but it makes it such a different device than something that feels just more sort of like free and, you know, again, again, like, it's a toy. It's fun gaming. You do that when you've got to put this on your person somewhere. Yeah. Well, the gaming is real limited, right? Yeah, it's just Fruit Ninja and things. I mean, you could you could probably stream. I don't know a first person shooter, but it's it's still I don't know. I would love to see that demo. J. Ware just commented. The front is the glass is just laminated. So is that true? I don't know if that's true. I would be surprised. Feels pretty plous to me. But but I but I'm also not complaining. It's it's heavy. This is a heavy device. Yeah. And I feel like you're, you know, the fit on your on your face with hair and whatever else is going on plays a big part here. But yeah, I don't know if there was more glass. I think it would just be heavier. And for those of you who are joining us for the first time and or listening to us pre recorded, we do have a live show and we have live chats. So that's why we keep referring to people asking us questions like Beat Masters says, does it fog up quickly like many other helmets? I found that it fogged up for me. And I don't know what that was. Yeah, a little bit. So I and it wasn't a lot. So I did use the little polish, you know, a couple of times inside. But I don't know if I was just too excited and breathing too hard or I don't know what it was, but it did slightly fog up. On the on the sides of the eyes, and it was just annoying. I didn't like to see that fog, but I wonder. I wonder if it fogs up more when it's too tight on your face or loose on your face. I don't really know. Now, I will again, to, you know, to compare it to the quest because what else can I compare it to? But also, again, you know, I'm jumping around doing workout stuff. The fog is real. OK, you know, like even like sometimes like mid-workout, I have to like take it off. Oh, no, in the middle of your workout. OK, yeah, yeah, you're sweating. You're sweating. Yeah. I mean, you know, and and if you're sweating, you're doing something right. But that that's also another thing about this is like with the Vision Pro, I'm like, should I sweat on it? Like, yeah, it's so expensive. You know, it's too nice for that, you know, like, you don't want to like you don't want to sweat on like your nicest, you know, gear. Yeah, you just kind of want. Oh, let me just do the nicest, calm things, right? Like, yeah, have you done much gaming on it at all or or not yet? Gaming wise, not not much. OK, no. That that that will be my next, you know, trip around the sun. Oh, by the way, Tom Merritt, who y'all might know, says that he looked it up and Apple Music actually sponsored the halftime show last year when we performed. So that was that was actually Apple's first sponsorship of the halftime show. I don't actually remember that, but I also don't even think I watched the Super Bowl. Oh, you didn't watch it last year. Yeah, I do remember her because she walks on these. She walked on these like look like glass platforms that were like square, square, square, and she was just walking across in the air. It was really cool, whereas Usher was on the ground. And Rihanna was like up in the sky. It was really cool. Usher's like roller skates. Yeah, I gotta tell you the other day. This is so like such a non sequitur. But the other day, you know, because I have to walk my dog around the neighborhood. That's what we have to do as a dog owner. You know the you know the deal and we went around the corner of the other day and there was like a girl coming toward us on roller skates and like you can tell that she was like good at it, you know, where she's just like. Did she have headphones on? She she's listening to me. I don't remember if she had headphones on or not. But like, I mean, you have to be pretty confident to just be like roller skating out here, you know, on like the city streets. Yeah. And and, you know, of course, like I could feel my dog like tensing up, like, what is wrong with her? What is she doing? She hasn't really seen roller skates. Well, he's afraid of skateboards. OK, so that's already a thing. But he has no problem with bikes or scooters. Oh, so your skateboard specifically. Yeah. Interesting. Sawyer hates them all. The yeah, he's he's softened in his old age, but and we don't like to show him, you know, bikes or anything like that with his heart condition. But he used to just get so angry at bikes at skateboards. You know, he would just like. Isn't that? Yeah, especially if they were coming from behind and he was startled if you're walking and you weren't paying attention. He just like jumped like, oh, so I would try and be proactive and kind of look around and make sure like, oh, wait, there's a bike. Let's try and turn it. Let's look at it. Let's cross the street. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Oh, I can't tell you how many times I've been like skateboard. OK, all right. What are we doing? Where do I go? Otis is just like, la, la, la. I haven't seen it yet. And I'm like, oh, you're going to freak out pretty soon. Oh, man. But yeah, we got into this conversation because of usher, right? And roller skates. Should we take a quick break? Let's take a quick break. And that's going to be our break. Hopefully we did that so smooth, right, Sarah? Yeah, that was smooth, smooth as ice. All right. Coming back from the break for everybody who's like, what are they doing? This is this is just, you know, kind of fun behind the scenes stuff that you only know about if you're with us live. So thanks, everybody, for being with us live. All right. So Eileen, we are on the socials. True. We are. We are on the socials. We are Apple Vision Show on Instagram. If I could pull up our little banner here. Maybe I can. Maybe I'm so slow at this. Here we go. Oh, Instagram, Apple Vision Show. Nice. For the kids out there, you know, for the kids out there. Also on TikTok, Apple Vision Show. If you want to go there for the kids. Yes. Come on now. You love to talk to me. I love to talk. I'm in there, but no one's following us. I'm the only one following us right now. I should probably follow us. That would be that that would be the right foot forward. That would that would that will be the first thing I do once we finish our live broadcast. But yes, no, this is this is great fun. If anybody wants to. I don't know, give us tips of what, you know, what do you want to see? You know, between between episodes, do you like cut downs? Do you want to see, you know, what's going on? And, you know, Eileen in my life. People's dogs, whatever. Let us know. I bet a cool picture would be Otis with the Apple Vision Pro. If you posted that on our Apple Vision Show Instagram, people are going to go, yes, I love a dog with the Apple Vision Pro. Anyway, I think we're going to be we'll show you another side of us. We'll have fun with it. We'll do some social memes, you know, they are, you know, and just kind of get into it. So follow us there, because I think you'll you'll see more flavor. And indeed, indeed. Yeah, no, it'll it'll be great between episodes. You will, you know, be able to come along for the ride. And just a reminder, we also do have an email address now. Feedback at AppleVisionShow.com is where you can get ahold of us. And you know what, we did get a lot of emails over the last week. So thank you, everybody. We did. First of all, thanks to, you know, so many of you who are just like, I like the show. That's awesome. That is like number one, you know, just like, OK, you know, we're on to something here. We're working it out together, everybody. Exactly, exactly. And we did get one email from Mike. Hello, Mike. Mike has been around for a while. He definitely follows a lot of our sister shows. And he wrote in I had my own tale of adventure involving UPS failing to deliver my device. He's talking about the Vision Pro for two days. And me finding a local store with one available while at the store for a pickup. I did the fit test and ended up trying a number of light seals. I think I ended up with a wrong one. I get face pain around my eyebrows and cheekbones. I ended up with an N instead of a W and I didn't know that the difference refers to narrow versus wide and planning to swap it out. And hopefully that fixes the issue. My recommendation to each of you says, Mike, is to do the face scan and the iPhone app to see what the recommended face shield is for you. He's obviously just telling everybody this. You could potentially swap the one you have for free with the correct one. And then the other you can buy an extra one in the correct size. While I was going through the fit test, I chatted with the Apple Store employees about how personal this device is and how much effort goes into making it right for each person. My thoughts on the device are complicated, but overall positive. Once I get the fish fit issue resolved, I can absolutely see myself wearing it for all sorts of entertainment and productivity uses. All right. That was quite a journey. Seriously, you know, glad to have you with us still, Mike. It's one of those things like, am I really meant to have this device? It's like it's hearing the story like, no, it's not going to show up. It's not going to show up. Oh, now it doesn't fit well. You know, like he persevered. He persevered. Yeah, indeed. But I think the issue we were talking about that last week, right? Like I was talking about it, you know, bumping on my cheek and stuff like that. But you haven't had a problem with the with the fit. I haven't. I also have not worn the Vision Pro for more than. I mean, I think about two and a half hours is the longest I've gone. And that is, again, like sitting back, watching a movie. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, if I were to be doing that and also, you know, walking around and I don't know, sweeping up the house, whatever, maybe it would be different. But yeah, you don't want it to hurt. Yeah, if something if something is painful, it's not going to catch on. You need to kind of fix that, right? So anyway, hopefully that the hopefully there's no other crazy stories out there. And, you know, you spent your hard-earned money well and you're enjoying the device or trying to figure out, you know, what how it's going to work. How do I enjoy it? How do I enjoy this? Yeah. So Eileen, this is a fun one. Did you see that Apple apparently gave the employees that worked on the Vision Pro a nice gift? I did. I did. And it it's like a certificate of appreciation. I feel like I was telling you before the show, you know, I've been taking Korean lessons and my fabulous teacher sends us a digital certificate of like you did it, you know, you're proud, but there's no real tangible device here. It's our knowledge. The Apple employees, there is a tangible device for their hard work and they get a picture that says thank you for helping the way the world say hello and it's framed or some of them frame their photo of the outline of the Apple Vision Pro. Thank you. Yeah, congrats. Your hard work. I mean, OK, so this this made the rounds and, you know, and one of the most popular responses is like so Apple just like didn't give you a Vision Pro for working on the Vision Pro. Probably they did. I don't know. Let's, you know, I'll just I'll I'll I'll assume the best that Apple probably all the people who worked on the Vision Pro also have a Vision Pro, but now they also have a really dorky thing to put on their wall that says thank you for working on the Vision Pro. I don't know. I mean, it seems a little cheesy. Yeah, I mean, it's it's the rim around the edge of what the that gives you the silhouette of the Apple Vision Pro. It's kind of nice, you know, it's multicolored, metallic looking, but I don't know. I mean, look at even this picture here that's framed is like dusty already with dog hair. And so they so appreciated it. I I mean, at least they were also like, also like, where do you put this in your house? You know, I just moved into a new apartment. I'm like, can you imagine like you come over for the first time? And I'm like, hello, welcome to my home. Oh, yes, that Apple Vision Pro is because I worked on it. So I would put it on my wall. Right in the entry entry way right there with like a better frame than this. And it's like lit with like some sort of like glow lighting. You know, it's like telling me like, look at this, look at this. That's what I want to see. I want to see this in everyone's in every Apple employees that's right way of their home. That's how you know you're legit. Eileen, as we're as we're coming to the last few minutes of our episode two. Yeah. What do you think about these clam shell Apple iPhone rumors? Oh, yes. I feel like we've been hearing about rumors of a sort of flip phone for Apple and as a person who owns the Samsung version here, the flip five. I I genuinely I genuinely have been curious about the hardware and I love the hardware. The software is some, you know, to take to get used to. But this is having this front facing camera, which is your main camera and being able to just like check your email, check your text messages, take selfies just without even opening up this phone is, I don't know. I can't tell you how convenient that is and how useful it is when you're on the go. And also for anybody who men and women now carry purses for anybody who carries purses, this is really nice. And we're, you know, or, you know, you got a pocket where it's not a deep pocket. You know, you only have so much room. This device, the Samsung Flip five. Now, when you open it up, it's quite long. It's actually almost not convenient to use it in its normal use case. If I'm comparing it, because it's so long as compared to the to the iPhone, the Pro Max. Yeah. Yeah. It just it feels like I'm it feels like sometimes, you know, even when I'm posting social media, sometimes it's a little cut off because the the length of this is longer than your iPhone. But, you know, it's a minor inconvenience. But I have to say, I am very pro clamshell. I think what we're seeing here in the, you know, Apple Hub, the rumors. I know that there's a little bit of a prejudice like, oh, why would I need that? But I'm telling you, once you're using one, it is very handy. And if they do it right and they give you some cool features like the Samsung did. Now, this is the latest iteration. I don't think this this iteration here with all the front facing stuff that you could do on it was in was in the previous versions. That's why I felt like this was such a game changer that I definitely want to cry it. Apple should do the same, quite honestly. And I have a feeling because these are a little bit less expensive than the S series for Samsung, the Ultra. The camera is not as good, but, you know, you know what you're getting, right? It is definitely more affordable. And I just think that there's a use case for it. And I think don't poo poo it. I think, you know, I know we've we've lived in a world for those of us who are old enough to remember the Motorola flip phones and all this. I enjoyed those. I really did. And I was actually really scared to not have and just have the glass here, knowing now how well these are made and cases are, you know, really useful and can protect your phone when you drop them. But then there are cases when it doesn't protect. Correct, right? So there's less of a chance for that with these phones, with the flip phones. I'm pro. I would love to see Apple make the flip phone available. Whatever. However you want to call it, clamshell, whatever you want to call it. I would like to see an Apple version because I think Apple will do it in a way where people will go once again. Oh, I think I want one of those. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, Apple's on board. Yeah, once Apple's on board, it feels like everybody kind of gets on board. And I really believe that that it is a there is there are people out there that will benefit from this design, just out of pure efficiency and ease. And I bet they're going to come up with even cooler, you know, functions for the front facing part here. So I mean, I feel like it's the it's the better version of something where if you care about your screen, you want to protect it. Yeah, just makes sense. Like, OK, I'm not using my phone right the second, you know, using my device, whatever you want to call it, you know, it is protected. I am also a person who has never had an I I I've never had a an iPhone. What am I? Why am I clam shell? Yeah, well, not clam shell, but just just a phone. Yeah, my point is I've never had a cover for my. Oh, oh, really? You've never had a case? You've never had a case. Case. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. No way. I don't know why. Like, yeah, never. And that has been an issue for me. I have shattered many an iPhone over the years. But I also like I like just the simplicity of just, you know, just going bareback. And if I were able to be like, OK, no case, iPhone and the purse were all good, I would like that. Somebody on again, you know, looking at I'm looking at too many Twitter comments, but someone was like there was a like a mock-up of what the clam shell iPhone might look like. And they were like, yeah, ugliest phone I've ever seen. And I'm like, is it? I mean, I don't think it's ugly. Also, isn't it like isn't function, you know, more important than form, you know, at this point, if we're trying to reinvent the wheel here, I think it actually is a great idea to be able to be like, here's my phone. And when I'm not using it, it goes into my pocket. Yeah, I guess, you know, everybody who has Apple devices are so used to the premium designs and all of that, you know what I mean? Like they think of first design. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do feel like a lot of people do think of Apple as first design and then function. I don't know, you know, like there's a little bit of that there that people are like, but yeah, but these devices are sleek and they look amazing. I'm like the debate about whether or not to have a case. Like I know many people like you, Sarah, and I am not very clumsy, but I have to say for whatever reason, this the latest iPhone, I already have kind of a crack on, I don't know that you'd see it, but I already have a crack on your edge of my case and thank God for my case. And case to five, if you'd like to sponsor us, we would love to try out your cases. Anyway, I have the Apple Store case here and it really worked. It saved my and I've dropped this thick three times already and I never dropped my phones. I don't know what's wrong with me. So maybe I've become clumsy in my old age. But I actually have a case on my flip five as well, just because I don't trust myself. I'm just, I know I need to and I do like holding where is it the case on? It's on both halves. So there's like, there's like you could see here and then you can see my little case there. So it doesn't, yeah, it's it's not connected, but it's two halves. And I do want to address a beatmaster who talked about the crease. So he's talking about the crease of the phone. You can see it here, right? Yeah, that's where it doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me when I watch a video. It doesn't bother me at all. Like I understand if you probably only see it when you're not using the screen, right? Yeah, if you're using the screen, it just blends. You can kind of see it, but it doesn't, you know, diminish the experience at all. I don't I don't get bothered by it. But maybe there are those of you who are really bothered by it and I get it. And that that is a form factor in your decision making that may be a reason why you don't want it. And that's totally fine. But I'm telling you, like most of us don't you don't even you don't see the crease. You just kind of move on. You're like, OK, it's kind of you feel it when you're like touching the the screen and you're moving apps, but it doesn't really, for me, in my opinion, hurt the experience of the phone. So just kind of a bit. Yes, Apple. Oh, here's another one. Bronwyn says, yes, Apple Rafa. Let's go. I mean, what's not to like? I'm fine with it. Yeah, I mean, you may not get one and that's fine. But why do you have to be all haters? Why do you have to be haters on this? Like there are different form factors. People love different things. You love chocolate. I love vanilla. You know, like, whatever. Yeah, I mean, the whole I don't know. There's part of me that's like and this is not Apple specific, but just sort of like, you know, like, are we trying to make foldables happen too much? Uh huh. Um, you know, and again, just kind of depends on what you're looking for. But no, I think I I don't think that makes for like a uglier phone. I think it makes for like a cooler phone, really. I think there's a phone for everyone out there. And just like any song you may like rap, but another person may like country. Guess what? You get them both. They're, you know, give it to give it to the people. Give it to the people. You know, like Beyonce of you, Eileen. Sure. Yes. Do you not love her country song? I I'm telling you, I mean, if anyone can do it, it's Beyonce do not listen to country music, but I listened to Beyonce's new country song last night and I was like, I'm downloading this. I am listening to this. I want to see her country tour. I'm I'm in. I'm like, wait, of course, it took Beyonce for me. I'm not that I dislike country. I just don't listen. It's not what I normally listen to. It's not really my thing either. But, you know, if anybody can can can bridge some gaps, it's it's our Lady Beyonce. Beyonce bridges the gaps just like apples trying to bridge the gaps. That's right. For thirty five hundred dollars. Bridging gaps. Yes, I don't. I think you can listen to Beyonce's song for free right now, which is nice. So she's crossing borders a little bit more economically for for us out there in a different way. But yes, you know, there is sometimes a price because if you do want to see her in concert, bridge the gap, that's going to be a little cost you a little coin there. It's going to take it's going to take more than 17 dollars. That's for sure. Well, y'all, this was a lot of fun. Eileen and I are in, you know, we're in, you know, the early days of Apple Vision show and we're so excited about it and we're so excited to have all y'all along for the ride. Thank you so much to everybody who has been tuning in. If you can tell a friend, spread the word that we're doing the show. Hopefully this is something that not only you like, but your friends and family will also like. We really, really, really appreciate that. That's kind of that's kind of how these things go. So I don't know, Eileen, until next week, any parting words? Well, what are we what are we looking for next week? Sarah, you're going to you're going to you're going to go out. So I'm going to I'm going to walk around the block with my Vision Pro with a trusted friend with me so that I feel safe. This sounds so stupid. But no, we'll we'll do that. We'll take video. It'll be fun. I I will I already know enough of my neighbors that they're going to be like, oh, it's that crazy girl again. That's amazing. I cannot wait to see the video. We'll post it and it'll be good. It'll be good. What about you? Well, I think you know, I'm going to be living in our socials. Once again, Apple Vision Show on Instagram and TikTok and maybe say a few things on there, just kind of, you know, get everybody excited about our show. But yeah, I think I'm kind of I'm on pause to buy anything. I feel like I need better headsets. I would like, let's see, probably to replace this watch. But. Slowly, one thing at a time, these are things that I'm thinking about. And at some point, maybe you all can help me pull the trigger. But I'm I'm thinking about, you know, which headset should I get? And then whether or not really to upgrade the watch. That's that's huge, because I do use it a lot for working out. And that's really important to me. Yeah, I really care about the notifications for text messages or anything like that. I don't really care, but I do find some good use cases. So that is what I'm going to be thinking about all week is like the upgrades, whether or not it's worth it yet. Should I just wait and then, you know, just kind of ponder those rumors of the clamshell iPhone, which I think and I'm going to defend is a good thing. I I'm with you. I think it is to, you know, let's switch it up, y'all. It's time. If Samsung has done it, it's time. It's time. It's time. Well, it's also time for us to wrap up. But thank you, everybody, for watching and listening. We are Apple Vision Show. If you have feedback, please do send it our way. Feedback at AppleVisionShow.com. And if you just, again, want to want to spread the good word, AppleVisionShow.com, wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks, everybody, for listening. Bye, y'all. See you next week. Yo, that was smooth. You're pretty good at this. You're pretty good at this. Yeah, I'm trying. Yeah, I could feel the beat where you're closing. I'm like, OK, we're going to close it out. No, yeah, no, I get it. The edit is not going to be long. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like. Dude, Usher was so good. He was really good. I think my favorite might still be like Prince, you know, from back in the day. But yeah, dude brought it. He brought it. And do you know how old? Yeah, yeah, it is. You know how long that's you know how old that song is? Actually, we looked at this up yesterday and now I forget. I think it's like 2005, 2004. It's 20 years old, 20 years old, 20 years old. Yeah. Mm hmm. And he looks like that. And I mean, not. Yeah, got no problem. I think Usher's like 45. Yeah, he looks great. It was funny. So I mentioned that I went over to my friend's house and there were people of, you know, all ages, you know, our age, you know, parents, kids, you know, pizza party and, you know, some people were like, What? What are Usher's songs? And I was like, Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't even know the name of that song. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, you'll just when you hear it, you'll know. And they were like, OK. But then when we were watching the show, everyone was like, Oh, yeah, we love Usher. We know these songs. Yeah, we all know these songs. He just hasn't had an album. He hasn't had an album for a while, but now now he does. And I guess he's going on a Vegas. He'll have a Vegas residency and he'll have a tour and stuff. I'm like, if you want to bring it, you know, everybody's doing a Vegas residency. Have you seen it? It's the new hotness. Well, so we've got we've got Adele. We've got, I guess, upcoming Usher. Who else? Well, Bruno Mars has one, too. Bruno Mars. Let's see. He's a favorite. Mariah's coming back for like another week to do a week of shows. And then Kelly Clarkson has a residency. And then I guess you can count you two at the Sphere. So they've been performing at that, you know, Sphere for a while. Right. Yeah, yeah. They kicked it off and then I don't know who else is going to end up doing that or how long they're going to be there. But yeah, and I just I just I feel like then you get like the Frankie Valleys and you get some of the other like older generations. Yeah, you get you get the, yeah, the old guard thing. It's a thing because like Adele, excuse me, she does like two nights and she's out. We that's why it's called Weekends with Adele. So just Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday. And then she's been doing that for a while and she took a long break. And then this is the end, like this next run. She's like, no, no, no, seriously, this is it, guys. We're not doing I'm not doing this anymore. But she's like she liked the routine of it. She lives she lives out here in California. So literally like 40 minute flight drop in and then can take a flight home. After her last like she told us like I'm not staying for the Super Bowl. After my last show on Saturday, I'm going to fly home. I'm going to watch the Super Bowl at home because she only she only watches the halftime show and she's like the last time she went and she saw it live. She's like, this show is for TV. Why am I sitting here? I don't care about the game. So she's definitely is right. I have not been lucky enough to actually be at a Super Bowl. I don't think no. I've never been there in person, but everybody says the same thing. It's like the it's kind of like better at home at home. Yeah, because you get the camera angles. Yeah. And you know, you got your, you know, all the commercials and exactly. Exactly. So she said she was going to put on a pot of chili, watch the Super Bowl and have a good old time at home. You know, I was like, oh, girl, that's what. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That sounds about right. He's like, she's one of us, even though she's got her weekends and the residency where they're fabulous, you know, you have definitely watched her. The show that she put on at Griffith at the Observatory. I didn't know I wasn't there in person, but I did. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wasn't there in person. Do you think I would be invited with Beyonce to Adele's? No, but I watched it, you know, in the comfort of my own home, probably would do well on the Vision Pro as well. But I was like crying. Like, oh, she's so good. Yeah, she's so good. I swear. And like, she's so funny because she like talks to the audience, you know, after singing Hello, right? She comes out just like, yeah, but he's like, oh, my God. And she's like, let me just tell you, the show is a grow up. We don't just I don't just sit here. Oh, I think is the gentleman's name is Mike. We don't just do this in piano. There's those a band and there's, you know, there's there's visuals. There's huge screens. And she's like, and also please don't. This is my favorite part. She said, please don't complain if someone in front of you is tall and you can't see, like, don't go to security because I, you know, see all these monitors up here. I paid a shit ton of money for these. You could see me. You could see me at any time. Yeah, just personable. She's just like, which is funny because, like, as a quite small person, I would be like, you know, you would be tall person in front of me. But if I have a TV, we're good. Oh, my God. Yeah. No, she was huge across. And then she, you know, she brought out a band. She had fire. She had rain. She had, you know, everything. She said fire to the rain, in fact, she did. She really did set fire to the rain. She set fire to a piano and added the rain. It was like intense. It was intense, but like clearly her voice was so and she loves confetti. It was like all kinds of confetti. Oh, I don't have. Oh, wait, I do. Hold on. This is for the after show. So I bought some merch, everybody. And I bought I bought some Hello Socks. Because let me tell you that her. Let me tell you that her merch was not not cheap, but the socks were pretty good, even though they were like twenty dollars for that. Then I bought some cute little magnets. Oh, I love the mag. I love magnets. Yeah. And then now the confetti, she had lots of different confetti. And what I love about it is personal. And I saw her in 2016 and some of the confetti that she dropped had lyrics of her songs. Well, the confetti this time had pictures of her. Look at that with lyrics on the bottom. That's her. I don't understand. Like how like it's just like in there with the confetti. Oh, I see. I see. I see. Yeah, it's like it's like whispies. Yeah, yeah, whispy. I don't like even this is to her song when we were young. Isn't that cute? And then and then that was one that was one drop of confetti. And then other drops of confetti were the hearts here that say like, thank you for coming. Like bye, babe. I love it. But you know what I mean? Like, you know, and then there's even one hair that's self self love. Also, like there are precious few artists who probably can pull this off, you know, like, thanks for coming, babes. Like, you know, like, yeah, like certain artists, you'd be like, whatever. But like when you're when it's Adele, you're like, oh, I'm so glad I came also. And by the way, the Las Vegas, this woman can command a performance in a stadium of 50,000 people. Right. So like this is like 4000 seats. Like that's that's that's why I was so it's a Caesar's video at Caesar's. Yeah, the Coliseum. So that's why I was so close to her when she came around. I was like, ah, I was just right there, right there. But yeah, I've seen quite a few residents seat. Well, not quite a few. I saw her and I did see Mariah and J. I saw a bunch of Divas, but I'd like to see Bruno Mars. And apparently with Bruno Mars, he tells you you don't get to use your phone. You don't, you know, we're going to live like we're in like the 70s and there were no social media. And like you don't use a phone in his show at all. Like apparently that I don't know if they take your phone away or if they give you any new protectors. I don't know if I find that annoying or freeing. Maybe a little of both. A little of both, right? Like, yeah, like I'm like uptown funk. You know, I'll tell you what I'm going to do with my phone. But like maybe if I can't use it, like it's more fun. You just enjoy it. Just sit there and like, because you if you notice, like there's no video of the of his performance because I and again, like I don't know because, you know, and if you go to like movie premieres and they don't want you taking phones, they give you like a pouch and you put your pouch, you put your phone in the pouch and then they seal it and then you you don't get to unlock it until you walk out. You need an usher to help you unlock it. So I think I don't know if exactly that's what they do for usher, but it's probably something similar where you have to give your phone away or whatever, because there's no video. There's no photos or anything of his like Vegas residency because he's like, nope, don't do that. So like, OK, I mean, yeah, I don't know how I feel either because I'd love to get like, I was at the Bruno Mars concert, but, you know, a lot of people didn't get to do that back in the day. You go to do something. You got the thumbs up. Did I? Did I get the you did? Oh, there it is. It makes me happy every time. Every time. Oh, yeah. For Valentine's Day, so many hearts for Valentine's Day. Oh, yeah. I mean, as we as we wrap up. Yes, Valentine's Day for those who celebrate two days from now. So, you know, hugged your loved ones. Hug, hug. If I could do it, I would. But yeah. I mean, just yeah, love is all you need. You don't need to buy all that stuff. In fact, if you buy the stuff the next day, it'll be 50 percent off. So there you go. Why do you need to buy those cards to save yourself? Save your money. Don't even ask me how many Christmas themed things I bought at a kitchen store recently. Oh, oh, after after Christmas, right? Yeah, it was 50 percent off. Yeah, because they were like, we want we want to get rid of this. I was like, it's free. Apparently, there are Apple discounts going on for Valentine's Day. And I was like, OK, you know, maybe that's the reason of by the name. There's always something there's always something. All right, Arlene, I got to take my pup pup out. This was so fun. Thank you to everybody for hanging out with us. And yeah, let's do it again. We'll see you guys next week. Bye. I'm going to end the stream. Bye. Bye.