 In unserem nächsten Vortrag spricht Container über das Thema, ist das Kunst oder ist das einfach nur schön? Nach einem kurzen Intro habt ihr hier die Möglichkeit, alle gemeinsam während des Vortrags mitzuzeichnen. Das heißt, wenn ihr euch vielleicht schon mal ein Satz Stiftung Papier besorgen wollt oder ein Tablet oder eine Leinwand oder was das immer euch hilft, euch dabei zu entspannen, dabei Spaß zu haben, macht das doch. Auch die ist eine Form des Verteidigeraus und wer mag kann gerne hinterher das über Social Media verteilen, das ist aber überhaupt nicht pflicht. Es geht um den Reinspaß Faktor und ich hoffe ihr habt dabei viel Spaß und erinnert euch daran, ihr könnt ins Petco schreiben für alle Fragen, für alles Feedback und bei dem Vortrag werden wir das so machen, dass live während ihr also alle gemeinsam zeichnet, ich immer mal wieder ein paar Fragen vorlese oder ein bisschen Feedback reinstreue. Und wünsche euch damit dann ganz viel Spaß. Ja, ich sage vielen Dank für diese nette Ankündigung. Insofern, ganz herzlich willkommen zum, ich sag jetzt mal, kürzesten Teil des Ganzen. Wir werden uns ein bisschen kurz mit den Fragen beschäftigen, ist das Kunst oder ist das einfach nur schön? Wenn einem Freund dann schon gefragt worden, ob das nicht ein bisschen ironisch ist, ob das nicht doppelgummbelt ist, das ist ein bisschen basierend auf dem Spruch. Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg? Den fand ich schon immer ein bisschen gemein, weil selbst wenn das nur ein Farbklecks auf der Leinwand ist, hat sich ja irgendjemand mal was dabei gedacht und möchte damit etwas sagen und ausdrücken. Und deswegen finde ich die Frage, ist das Kunst oder ist das nur schön? Immer ein bisschen netter. Kleiner des Kleinen macht vorweg. Ich bin sehr, sehr vieles, aber ich bin ganz bestimmt nicht perfekt und genau das ist der Punkt des Vortrags, das ist der Grund, warum wir heute auch ein bisschen zusammen malen wollen. Es soll halt ein bisschen um Motivationen gehen, es soll darum gehen, dass man sich mal was traut und vielleicht nicht immer darauf guckt, ob das Ergebnis jetzt perfekt wird oder nicht. Weil ich das ganz oft erlebt habe, dass Menschen mich angeguckt haben, mich gefragt haben, oh, du kannst so toll zeichnen, ich würde das auch so gerne können. Ich trau mich das aber nicht und genau deswegen ist dieser Vortrag da, weil ich eben auch nicht perfekt bin und eigentlich auch, wie ihr jetzt vielleicht an den Billen schon sehen könnt, eigentlich analog mehr Zeichner als digital. Jetzt habe ich mir für den Vortrag einen Grafiktablet gekauft. Mal gucken, wie gut das geht. Ich bin jetzt eine Woche am Üben. Wir schauen mal ein bisschen was zu mir. Moin, ich bin Contenna, ich komme aus dem schönen Flensburg und ich habe eigentlich schon immer ganz gerne gemalt, gerne gezeichnet, aber eigentlich meistens mit sehr viel Angst vor dem Ergebnis. Da gab es Perfektionismus bestreben, die ich nicht erfüllen konnte und deswegen war ich am Ende meistens von allem und jedem und am meisten von mir selber frustriert und habe deshalb sehr lange, sehr wenig gezeichnet. Das hat sich dieses Jahr so im Januar, Februar, als das Ganze mit Corona losging, ein bisschen geändert, habe ich angefangen, wieder mehr zu zahlen und mehr zu zahlen, genau. Ich habe angefangen, ein bisschen mehr zu malen und habe sehr viel Spaß dran gefunden und habe mich sogar ein bisschen gewundert, wie gut es plötzlich ging. Und zwar habe ich damals angefangen, ein bisschen mal mit Farben einfach rum zu panchen und dabei kam zum Beispiel dieser Käufisch raus und ich war völlig überrascht, dass ich so etwas konnte. Ich habe so etwas noch nie geschafft. Ich war nie der Meinung, dass ich so etwas wie Kunst überhaupt machen könnte. Und plötzlich hatte ich da etwas vor mir, was an allen Ecken und Enden Fehler hatte, was anatomisch nicht korrekt war, was von den Farben mir total komisch aussah. Da war Farbe auch übergelaufen, wo sie nicht überlaufen sollte und irgendwie war das trotzdem schön. Und dann habe ich noch einen gemacht. Um zu gucken, war das ein Unfall? Und ich habe noch einen gemacht. Und ich habe noch einen gemacht. Und noch einen. Und irgendwie kam dabei heraus, dass das irgendwie trotzdem schön ist und dass ich dafür offenbar gar nicht so viel können muss, wie ich immer dachte. Ich habe dann ein bisschen weiter geübt, ein bisschen weiter gemalt. Dann kam zum Beispiel solche Bilder dabei raus, die einfach random von mir gezeichnet wurden, wo ich immer wieder überrascht war, dass ich so etwas überhaupt wirklich kann und dass ich etwas erschaffen kann, was ich schön finde und was offenbar auch andere schön finden. Und ja, habe mich eigentlich über mich selber nur noch gewundert, weil ich das vorher nie geschafft hatte und es war nicht schwer. Und das war das Allerinteressanteste für mich. Dann auch noch mal Sachen aus meiner Schulzeit wieder entdeckt, wie Aquarellfarben, Farben, fürchterliches Thema eigentlich immer für mich. Konnte ich nie mit umgehen, war immer fürchterlich, sah scheiße aus und wollte ich eigentlich nie mehr anfassen. Und plötzlich kam da aber solche Sachen bei raus und ich hatte nichts verändert. Und ich glaube, das war der Punkt, wo das ein bisschen anfing, dass ich so etwas raustragen wollte, dass ich Menschen dazu ermutigen wollte, zu trauen, auch mal wieder Kunst anzufassen, auch auf die Gefahren, dass sie vielleicht nicht so viel können oder nie so viel Kunst gemacht haben. Und da kamen diese Ponys ins Spiel. Die habe ich irgendwann mal in der Schulzeit angefangen zu malen, so Kritzeleien auf dem Arbeitsbogen. Und ich habe gedacht, mit dem, was ich jetzt irgendwie zustande bringe, muss das doch möglich sein, davon mehr zu machen. Und was man an diesen Ponys sehr gut sehen kann, ist es eine sehr, sehr einfache Form. Da ist nichts Großartig Kompliziertes dran. Die sind sehr stark simplifiziert. Und so etwas kann, meiner Meinung nach, jeder Malen, der einen Stift in der Hand halten kann. Und genau deshalb wollte ich halt heute hier sein und das machen. Und habe einen Kanal gefunden auf YouTube, der heißt Gritzelpixel. Das ist eine ganz großartige Frau, die mir etwas erzählte von Kunst und dem Handwerkkunst. Und plötzlich macht es für mich sehr viel Sinn, warum ich meine Bilder plötzlich schöner fand. Weil sie wirklich reine Kunst sind. Kunst ist erstmal alles, was etwas ausdrückt, was eine Geschichte erzählt oder was irgendwelche Gefühle auslöst. Und das Faszinierende ist für Kunst selber, muss ich nicht viel können. Das glaube ich kann jeder bestätigen, der mal einen Eimerfarbe auf eine Wand gekippt hat. Das sieht irgendwie ganz nett aus. Da ist ein Muster dabei, aber viel gekonnt hat man dafür eben auch nicht. Aber trotzdem macht das manchmal etwas mit einem. Wenn man ein schwarzes Bild in einem Flur hängt, dann hat das auch manchmal schon eine Auswirkung, ohne dass es dafür viel braucht. Ich kann mit Strichmenschen eine ganz großartige Geschichte erzählen, ohne dass das irgendein Problem ist. Und ich kann aber auch auf der anderen Seite, wenn ich jetzt darauf bestehe, dass ich genau das, was ich in meinem Kopf habe auf Papier bringen möchte, kann ich das Handwerk Kunst lernen. Und das Faszinierende ist, dass das gar nicht viel mit Können oder mit Talent zu tun hat, sondern mit Üben mit sich dran setzen und immer weitermachen. Egal ob das Ergebnis jetzt gerade perfekt ist oder nicht, genau dafür sind Übungen da, dass ich eben erstmal meine Fehler machen kann, dass ich mich ausprobieren kann, dass ich üben kann, wie ich es vielleicht besser machen möchte. Und da komme ich auch mal auf ein paar Twitter-Accounts zu sprechen, die ich euch ein bisschen auch ins Herz legen möchte, weil wir da eben auch so was haben, die Kunst kann mit einem Strichmenschen wunderbar erzählt werden. Es lieb ist ein großartiges Beispiel dafür, erzählen wir nix. You're allowed to experiment and you're allowed to become better your own way. Now I want to come to my Twitter account and Twitter accounts that show you that you can tell stories using very simple expressions. There are many German artists that are well known for their stick figure drawings. They have a very deep meaning. I think that anyone can draw a stick figure. Everyone has done it. In school for example, when playing hangman, we were all able to draw a stick figure. So I think that many people underestimate what they can do with simple techniques like that. So this is why I would like to encourage you to draw along. And you will notice that it's not about skills. The only skill you need is being able to hold a pen and draw on paper. And I think that anyone can do that. I also am going to show you some of my drawings which are pretty simple. It's actually just circles and then some details. So I would like to invite you to join because art is everything. Art expresses, it tells stories, it evokes feelings. And a fellow student of mine said, if you don't want to discuss, then it's what's in a museum. I think that is a nice motto. My art is in a museum and it needn't be hanged in a museum. But things that are in a museum for their own right, they have a purpose of being there because they express something. And if this art expresses something, I can do it too because I can express myself. And it's about having fun. Having fun should be the most important factor in art. So we should just begin creating. Now I'm going to use Krita, which is my tool of choice for painting. I'm an analog painter. I mainly do watercolors, pencil, but I normally don't use graphic tools. So don't expect a lot. But this is what it's going to be about, just that not expecting a lot. So I'll just start using a simple pattern, a Mandela. Mandela's are simple patterns that you can use to practice certain skills. So what I'm going to show you is what I've discovered in the week that I've had this tablet because it's brand new. Also, you will notice that this is not magic, not rocket science. It's just what I can do with a tablet. And I'm still learning. And of course, drawing on a tablet is very different than analog drawing. If there's questions already, you can just go ahead and fill out the pad, whatever you like and whatever you feel like. The goal of this is that we get in contact, that we start in exchange. And if you want to, you can just watch or if you feel motivated, grab a piece of paper and a pen and just try to do something, try to create something and see what happens. I recently started experimenting with color, even though I hated coloring as a child. And I had a result, which I liked pretty much and I would even call it art. So, thinking about art is often not what brings the best results. Sometimes you should just try an experiment and have a casual conversation about art. And I'm excited to see what I'll see on Twitter or other networks in the end. So I'll just continue here. Are there any questions yet or statements? We don't have any questions yet, but you've motivated one person already to join. So my biggest goal is roged. This person says that she's never really done art or been into art, but she's motivated to try. That sounds fantastic. You don't have to stick to drawing. You could also use other forms of art, such as video or music. Anything that is an expression is art in the end. So if you want to write a poem or express yourself in other ways, please do so. Maybe we can even have a more diverse display of art in the end, because you don't have to have drawing skills in order to create art. And I'm really happy to hear that people are already joining. I'm really happy to hear that and you're absolutely welcome to join. And thank you for the compliment. I didn't think that I would receive that because I was so excited and nervous. And I don't think that I'll be even able to say all the things that I've noted down in my preparation. Okay. I'll try to get inspired. I tried to find some Mandala-Motives. And I wouldn't have thought about producing Mandalas before I bought the tablets, although of course it would have been perfectly possible without. Mandalas are great, because you can just jump in and with each element you can reconsider what you would like to do dann decide maybe I want to put some circles in here. That's the kind of work where you can really surprise yourself regarding what you end up with and that's a lot of fun. When you can surprise yourself with your own creativity. Something that many people are afraid of because creativity is an amazing talent. People think you have to be born for it and that's not something you can learn or practice. But someone put it that way. Creativity is the recombination of things you already know and that I found great because when I looked at some of the stories I'd written and noticed how much I had taken from other creators and changed for what I wanted to achieve what I needed. It doesn't look too bad but I would like to add some more in something else in the center. And the last one too. Yeah, I'm going to do that one too. Im Moment haben wir da tatsächlich nichts aber ich hätte da eine absurde Idee für Menschen die sich trauen, was hinterher zu teilen. Die können natürlich auch durchaus mal zusetzen ob man das eventuell auch zeigen könnte. Vielleicht lasst das ja die Zeit so am Ende mal 5 Minuten. I have something perhaps just flooded into the pad. At the moment we don't actually have anything but I have an absurd idea for those that dare to share. Perhaps show what they've done and maybe there will be time at the end what the rest of the world has drawn. Yes, that would be fantastic. Of course. I'd love to look at that. And otherwise as always the pad is open ask your questions. There is one I have regarding the title of your talk. Is this art or is it just pretty? Does that mean that art has to be pretty? No, not at all. There is art that is unbelievably ugly and that is off-putting. And some people think that it has to be disturbing. And that is the thing. Art is something that you can think a lot about and discuss a lot. There isn't a single opinion about art. I personally think there is no correct art and no art that is wrong. There is just the art that changes or causes something within you. And if it's ugly, thinking of maybe war veterans that used their art to process bad and terrifying experiences that may not be beautiful art. Not a nice picture to see a battlefield or something. That is really not nice. And that's nothing that anyone ever would like to see. But still this art expresses something that for one person at least perhaps was very, very important to perhaps let something out, get something out of your system. And that is interesting and important about art. That is about many different functions. It may be ugly. It may cause debate. It may divide us. And that's what I've always liked about art. It's not just about expressing what is beautiful but also what is terrifying. And that makes it a great outlet for people that identify with some form of art which gets us back to the point where painting is art but music is art as well. And music is a great way of screaming out my feelings into the world. If I cannot sing, then maybe I can dance. That too is a form of art, theater, drama, writing. Everything that you can use to kind of get out your feelings into the world. And that's all great and has a great place in the world. Just as what I'm doing right now has a place in the world. You might think that what I'm doing is just awful but it relaxes me and maybe some of you will be encouraged by this to say, hey, well, these lines are just wavy and not straight at all, but I'll just start trying and see what happens. And whether that ends up as something just beautiful, that is only one question. But as I said, this title I mainly chose because of the well-known German saying, is this art or can I throw it out? I didn't like that sentence. Art is not something to throw out. It has a sense, a purpose. Sometimes the purpose is to just be beautiful. That is of course the nicest purpose maybe that art may have. But sometimes it wants to shock. Sometimes it wants to get people to not engage in warfare or maybe talk about rape that they've experienced or violence. And as ugly as that may be, again that has just as much a role as a beautiful Mandala may have or something like that, something similar. Okay. And do you then think that there is anything at all that could be the opposite of art? Oh, that is a very good question. What could be the opposite of art that would be to not express anything to say anything in any way? And then the question would be how could that take shape? Could that take any shape at all? That would be then the question that you would have to ask. And I have to say, just spontaneously I couldn't really give you an answer. It's a very interesting question. Because if I don't connect anything with the thought of having an empty white room again, that could express something. So in that sense almost everything could be art, my clothes, the way I have my hair cut that all can express something. Actually, I believe that the nicer thought is that maybe there isn't an opposite to art and everything to some extent is art and art is always there somehow in some form. I think that is an answer I like. But it's a very good question. Yeah, you can philosophize if that's a lot, because art is not easy, not simple, not one-dimensional, or rarely is. We've now got someone who is stressing that this is someone who likes art a lot and works with digital media, floppy disks, or circuit boards turned into art. And this person asks whether there are other forms of art that work with computer parts. Well, you could argue that every computer code could have a certain aesthetic to someone. Maybe someone would have an inkling towards a very tidy code or the opposite. So, every code in the way it works could have a very unique, very individualistic, but still an artistic function. And it could be an art to reorder things and maybe invent something new that way. That's how I would see it at the moment. Sometimes the question maybe isn't where there is no art, but where we can discover art in your everyday environment, where you don't normally notice. And I think that technology clearly is a part of human creativity being used to arrive at a certain point. And that, I think, is a form of art. Don't you think? Maybe someone out there in the pad can answer whether they agree with that point of view oder whether they disagree. He, she, or it. They may want to correct me if I'm talking nonsense. So, let's have this debate. I'm one of the people that say you don't have to be able to, you don't have to have a huge skill to do art to create something that you like. There are so many ways to express yourself that we normally don't really look at in everyday life. And that I think is very regrettable. Magst du mir sonst irgendwann mal Bescheid sagen, wenn wir so auf die letzten 10 Minuten zugehen, dass man da vielleicht mal ein bisschen schauen kann, was wir heute gemalt haben oder sonst so in die Welt rausgeschmissen haben, weil ich habe gerade nicht wirklich die Uhr im Blick. Ich verliere mich gerade wie ich das so gerne tue, wenn ich anfange ein Stift anzufassen. Warum geht's doch eigentlich auch, oder? Natürlich, natürlich. Aber deswegen brauche ich da ein bisschen deine Hilfe, dass sie ja da auch. Ich habe die letzten 10 Minuten gebrochen, weil ich die Zeit der Uhr verloren habe und ich würde gerne die Zeit für Fragen benutzen. Ich habe die Zeit verloren, wie ich immer, wenn ich eine Pen fahre. Das ist genau das, was ich deine Hilfe brauchen, um die Menschen, die sie dort benutzen, noch zu groß zu kommen. Wenn wir noch so 10 Minuten anfangen, fange ich auch noch mal ein neues an. Ops, Scheiße. Wenn man nicht genau aufpasst, dann fangen wir wieder an. Ich dachte so... Nichts went wrong. Ob du einen favoritisierten Hashtag hast, mit dem die Leute ihre Kunstwerke posten? Vielleicht tatsächlich den Hashtag, das ist Kunst. Oder das ist Art in Englisch. Vielleicht habe ich das in den Pad. Man darf da hier wahrscheinlich auch noch mal unter meinem Twitter-Account verwursten. Das ist das, was ich meine. Das ist das, was ich meine. Das ist das, was ich meine. Das ist das, was ich meine. Das ist das, was ich meine. Ich möchte hier meinen Twitter-Account verwursten. Noch mal raushauen. Ich gefällt mir nicht. Ich möchte noch mal anders. Vielleicht werde ich einen digitalen, digitalen, unter meinem Twitter-Account. Das, was ich wirklich sage. Das ist das, was ich sage. Das ist das, was ich sage. Das ist das, was ich sage. Normalerweise mag ich die Brüste mit einem Brust arbeiten, aber man wird nie mehr lernen. Vielleicht wäre das nicht 100 % symmetrische. Ich glaube, ich will meine Fläuche. Ich habe hier einen meiner Lieblingsfaszinien. Wir haben eine Frage, die in die Frage kommt. Du denkst, dass der seit Corona auch relativ viel auf YouTube unterwegs ist? Der heißt Fabian Navarro. Das heißt Fabian Navarro. Etwas wie Leute können Arten kreieren. Aber ich habe es nicht richtig verstanden. Es gibt Poetry-Artists, die ein paar Zeile geschrieben haben, dass es um Arten zu kreieren kann. Es gibt jemanden, der über Arten zu schreiben hat, der startete eine enorme Diskussion, ob das Arten ist oder nicht. Und ich denke, es gibt viel zu diskutieren. Aber meine persönliche Meinung ist, dass es Arten ist, weil jemanden den Bot kreiert. Also es ist noch Arten, aber Arten, und Arten, die von humaner Hand starten, sogar wenn es auf its own geht. Also wenn Leute ein Maschin machen, das macht Arten, ich denke, der Maschin ist Arten im Ende. Also was ich mache, ist auch Maschinenassistik Arten. Weil ich nicht mit einer Brust auf dem Papier, sondern mit einem Stift auf einem schwarzen Fleck, aber ich benutze digitalen Arten, mit einer normalen Hand-Eye-Koordination, die ich immer an Arten kreiert, aber an einer Schraube. Also das ist auch eine technische Art hier. Also ich bin sicher, dass Robots Arten kreieren können. Und hast du, ich gehe jetzt mal auf dein Bashful mit dem Gedicht, weil es auch zum Fragenstream gerade recht gut passt, coming back to an example about the poem, do you think that artificial intelligence can develop a sense of art or an understanding of art? Wow, that's a very philosophical question we're approaching here. I think ultimately with today's knowledge you can't tell. But when discussing this, when discussing whether AI might become conscious at some point, this would also involve if we presume that AI can develop feelings and a consciousness, a consequence would be yes that AI can develop aesthetic understanding. But that takes us to a very philosophical level and a very theoretical question that we're just not able to answer on a factual basis and we would have to talk about whether we would even want AI to be able to develop that kind of understanding. But it's a very interesting question nonetheless to imagine what aesthetic understanding would look like in a machine. I think before you said that each kind of expression is always art. So an AI would just have to be able to express itself in order to create art. That's a good point. Ich habe gerade gar nicht mit eingezogen, aber ja. Which I hadn't considered before. But yeah. The question is whether AI still represents a human in the end, which nowadays I think still is the case when talking about the poetry bot, for example. Because the AI has learned to express the aesthetics or thoughts of the creator, of the one who wrote the code. I don't think that we've developed a level yet where the technological means can develop its own sense or understanding of creation. That's an interesting thought. I think this is a very, very interesting discussion that we're having right now and I would never have expected us to even touch that level of philosophy in this talk today. Although AI is a very typical topic for a discussion like this. So your feedback on whether you like this format or not is very much appreciated. We would like to know about your thoughts on whether you were able to relax during this session, whether you found it interesting. It's getting more philosophical. Bring on the philosophy. If everything is art, what is not art and can art exist on its own without someone looking at it or criticizing it? This is a very interesting and good question. I find it difficult to answer it. Because on one hand if looking at my own art my art is something I do for myself mainly and there's so many pieces which are laying around at my home which nobody has ever looked at and I would still consider them art although no one outside of myself has ever seen it or criticized it and I wouldn't deem myself a recipient of my own art. On the other hand I think that art is individual in a way that the recipient does their own art just by looking at the art because when I create art for a certain purpose that doesn't mean that the one who is looking at my art will do so for the same reasons as I did or will find it pretty for the same reasons as I did. So I don't know if it's even possible to answer the scope of the question because it raises a certain kind of paradox. I think this is a question that will keep revolving in my head for quite some time. It's absolutely fascinating to have questions which you can't answer for certain especially in philosophy. For me, this is what makes philosophy so interesting. Ja, du hattest recht mit dem Punkt. Die Menschen gehen nochmal mehr in Richtung KI. You're right. People continued going into the AI direction. Is art created by AI worth less than art created by an artist by hand? Das ist eine interessante Frage zu raises und ich mache es so selbst. Ist es wertlos? Ich glaube, ich würde die Frage anstellen ob Kunstirn wäre ... Ich glaube, ich würde die Frage reisehen weil die Art in den Gründen schätzt. Ich würde nicht sagen dass andere Menschen meine Art appréciert für die gleichen Verteilungen, die ich mache. Ich denke gerade ganz viel nach, wenn ich rede, deswegen kann es auch gut sein, dass hier nicht alles ... Ich denke, was ich sage, ist, dass es wertlos ist. Aber meine erste Instinkt wäre, zu sagen, nein, man kann nicht die Verteilung von einem Menschen vergleichen, weil man sich bei einer anderen Art anschaut. Manche Menschen können nie gedacht werden. Vielleicht wird man von der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art der Art als Experimente und ich bin sehr glücklich zu hören, dass die Leute es sich und diese Art und Weise lieben. Sondern jemand anderes sagt, ich mag den Format. Ich habe mich jetzt auf meine Tablet aufgedreht und ich habe etwas, das ich normalerweise nicht gedacht habe, und das sind wirklich Stichfiguren, eigentlich. Ich bin wirklich glücklich zu hören, diese Komponenten. Und wirklich, ich habe mich vorhin gefragt, ob es eigentlich für die Menschen, die ich sage, ich brauche keine Motivation von außen, weil ich meine eigene Motivation habe. Als ich Kongress besitze, habe ich so viel Spaß, mit allen verschiedenen Dingen und Installationen, die Leute bringen und präsentieren an Kongressen. Und ich sehe immer diese Präsentationen mit den Augen eines Kindes. Und ich habe die Erinnerung, dass viele Leute ihre Erinnerung, ihre eigenen Ability, ihre Erinnerung, ihre Erinnerung, ihre Erinnerungen. Und ich möchte einfach die Leute zeigen, dass man Spaß finden kann und einen sehr einfachen Art und Weise. Das ist was, was ich wollte, und ich danke dir sehr viel für your praise. Motivation for two other questions? Of course. Someone is asking whether art is always a creationist thing, or whether destruction can also be art. I would pose a different question back. Isn't destroying also creating? Who says that pure destruction isn't a process of creating something new? Because thinking radically, I'm creating a piece of trash, a heap of trash that wasn't there before. And in the moment of destruction, maybe my personal feelings are despair and rage. And I just want to express that feeling. Destruction can be art, of course. Maybe the result isn't aesthetically pleasing, but this isn't the reason we do art for. The reason for doing art is not that in the end, somebody says, hmm, I like that. That's not the reason we do art for. Okay, bonus round. What are we going to do in December? How are we going to push art to the virtual space? This is a very good question. I'm not the kind of person that is very talented in writing code or something. But if there are people that would be interested in creating a space for the event in December, where this could be done, I would be hugely happy about that. It would be great if perhaps you could open something like a painting cafe. Basically, it would have to be a place, I think Congress used to be an art area, where technical art was exhibited. If you could use video perhaps, or maybe use programming coding in some way. And I'm sure that a lot is possible. But unfortunately, I'm not the person to put this into practice. But I could really imagine that and I would be so happy if that was possible. A space that the community in advance and at the event could shape and design and turn into a huge arts exhibition with all kinds of things that I would think would be a great thing. Many people agree and say, yes, the Congress is art. So thumbs up. Well, yeah, we are a crazy, creative bunch. So, that's the reason why many parts of chaos actually exist. Hacking doesn't mean anything else than taking something that was purposed in some way and repurposing it. That too takes creativity. And that surely is a form of art as well. If you can derive a certain aesthetic from that, a certain aesthetic value. And if you have the opportunity, after there is a pointer to a website in the past, that deals with AI generated art explicitly. Yeah, that sounds very interesting. And I think that is something that in the last few years has been discussed more and more. And justifiably so. Because we do live in the 21st century. The idea has just come up. That maybe the RC3 logo could become a mandala. That could be a template for everyone to use. And maybe philosophize about art at the same time. Yeah, I've seen several times that people work on the same mandala. And they all look different. There are color combinations in there that make me think, oh, this, of course, this is so obvious. But I haven't thought of that. Someone else has the idea. I could really just jump with joy every time I see things like that. And that is really what chaos to me is all about. People coming together and presenting their ideas and valuing appreciating what others do. And experiencing that appreciation for what they have done. And that's why I say that we are this small creative bunch. Because we all think, what can I do? How can I change? And maybe I can do something that no one else has thought about before. I think there isn't a logo yet, is there? Also, ich kenne keins, aber das heißt nichts. Well, I don't know of one, but that doesn't mean anything. That's true. So, let's keep our eyes open and see what maybe I'll be sent. And maybe by that time I'll be more familiar with that Graphic Tablets, Graphics Tablet. Because that right now is a huge adventure for me. Yeah, just one of the would-be-artists says, I'm scribbling along, but I don't know the technology that will. Otherwise, you would have found my results on Mastodon already. Mastodon, that is a network that someone will have to explain to me in more detail at some point. I haven't really got into that yet. The different spaces there. But I will grab some people from my local Chaos Circle. I'm pretty sure that there are people in Flensburg. Yeah, I assume that they will be. Whether they actually run such a service, I don't know. There's no one I can think of. But that doesn't have to mean anything. Because just like anyone, I am someone that doesn't know a lot of things. It just exists. Okay, what else could I draw in there? Some triangles. While I'm thinking about this, I'm sure that at Congress I will offer a workshop session or something, a Scribbling-Meeting. I really like the idea of sitting together just like we are now. Maybe to motivate you, there are some first-shared works of art on Twitter that people have made. Oh, very nice. How much time is there left? Could we take a look at that, perhaps? We can. Should I just send you the links in Mumbo? Yes, you can. So, let's take a look. Oh, das sieht nach einer Hand aus. Ist this art or is it just beautiful? Used for the first time and created with Moleskin flow. That's the text. I'm looking at it and I'm thinking I have tried so often to draw a hand in my life. And there was the craft art show that I once was at. And I noticed that hands are my nemesis. I couldn't have done it much better myself, particularly with digital means. I'm glad if I can just get a reasonably straight line into my documents. Hands are amazing. You think they are such a simple shape and you see them every day. Can't be that difficult. So, Respekt. Just to draw it ad hoc. And it looks like it was drawn as a single line without stopping. And I couldn't have done this better myself. And that is quite amazing. Well, yeah, that is art. Anatomically, well, maybe. Who needs anatomical correctness? Anatomical correctness is not what I came here for. I came here to share art with people that like to create art and appreciate it. And that's why I'm here. And more people seem to want to do it. Because the Feedback Pad now has a Jitzi Session where people can show their art and inspire each other. Yeah, why not? Of course. If people want to start a Jitzi this evening where we can meet, sit down together und maybe just support each other and make each other a bit little happy. Again, I am not a very technical person. I have never installed a Jitzi server. All of these Corona times, I never use them to get a Jitzi running. Also, da dürfen Sie es uns im Zweifel zwar gerne, aber auch bei mir in der Twitter DM. People are very welcome to send me a DM in Twitter if they want to join me and get something going. Well, that is a plan. And the Feedback tells you that the place to follow in Mastodon would be chaos. Okay, ich muss mich vielleicht damit einfach nochmal auseinandersetzen. Maybe I'll take a closer look. I hope that the rain that is coming down here is not too loud. The beautiful North German weather. I'm starting to think too much again. Just do, just make. I'm so fascinated. That's not at all where I thought I would end up with this Mandala. That's why it's so interesting to make them. You end up with something that's so different to what you were thinking of. At the risk of not completing this next one, I am going to start a new one. Well, Symmetrik would be too easy. So, we were talking about Mastodon shortly. Now there's actually a Mastodon channel that is discussing. Let's have a look. Wow, I love the colors, especially at the tip. I'm a green freak, totally. I love green. Palm tentacle. Very nice. Now I understand what the brown dots are representing. It's a very nice idea to combine a palm and a tentacle. And why not? The result is definitely out. And I definitely don't think that you should throw it out as you state in your caption. I think it can stay. It has a right to exist just as any other piece of art. And sometimes art is about exercising, practicing. And while you're practicing perfection is not the goal. There's absolutely no wrong in art. You can't do wrong. You can only do wrong if you think art is a craft and something you have to have absolute skill to do. And sometimes I think it can be very frustrating if you can't achieve what you want to achieve to, like, bash your own skills. My first creation is the caption of this image. And I'm seeing something very abstract in here. And I like abstract art because it can create very intricate things very quickly. And abstract art is also about just starting, not being afraid, not aiming for a certain outcome. And it's also about having fun. I look at my own abstract art later in time. And I think about what did I actually try to achieve back then. And I see the results in a different way than I did when I was creating it. I'm seeing a little bit something like a dragon or a crocodile in this specific spot up here. It's very exciting. I like this style of art. So absolutely go ahead and dare new things. The interpreters are greeting you and are asking whether silence is art. And how they can interpret your silence, translate silence. I think it's going to be difficult to translate silence. But of course silence can be art, especially in theater. I've often seen silent moments that were silent on purpose, also in film. If you leave out the music and have silence, that's a very strong means of expression. And of course it's art, at the very least it's art. And of course it's difficult to translate if I'm saying nothing, if that was the purpose of the question. Well, I can't see the purpose of the question, obviously. But links on social networks have begun to appear. And I really like what we just created here. And I really like what people have in their heads and what they're willing to express. It's unbelievably difficult to get a parallel line. It's not going to get any better, so we have to deal with what we have. Why not? Just one more little flower. Looking at the time doesn't look like I'll be able to finish it in time. But I'll share it on Twitter as soon as it's done. Anyway, I've had tremendous fun today. Unfortunately, I deleted one of my artworks. That's my own fault, but I'm really happy to see that so many of you have posted their own artwork. I'll be looking at the hashtag, continuing to look at the hashtag and see what pops in. I think many of us will do. And I would love to see you do so, because that was the idea behind this whole talk. To just try and express yourself. I think we've seen very nice examples. And I'm looking forward to maybe seeing other people who felt inspired and encouraged to go and create. Because you can watch your own progress when you create more often and make it a habit. And you can have a lot of fun on the way. Looking at social networks and the pad, it looks like you've had a lot of success in inspiring people to go out and create and do some art. I'm happy to see that, and I would be happy if maybe I've let some people to discover a new hobby. I had a lot of fun today, and I hope you had too. What a nice conclusion to this talk. Thank you very much for presenting and drawing life. And thank you for daring to try something very different. Thank you for participating. Thank you for asking questions, for philosophizing. It was a lot of fun. Our next talk will be about organ pipes, an update on organ pipes. So we're happy to get your feedback on the presentation, on the art, on the format. And I encourage you to go on Twitter and on the other channels to see what people have posted. I think it's a very nice format, so thank you for that. Thank you.