 New non-thursday folks, Ted Rolston here in our Think Tech Studio is overlooking downtown Honolulu with the sun setting behind us. How can that be at noon in the sun setting? I don't quite get the graphics here. Anyway, our show will Where the Drone Leads where we talk about subjects that are relevant and current in the world of drones and that incredible emerging technology and welcoming back on the show for the first time in about three months. That's right. So guys who've been escaping being on the show, but we caught them today. I've got Micah Modus, Micah, Christine again man, and Kainoa Jimenez. And we have Kainoa as the COO and Micah as the CEO of Collea Gold. You know, I don't know you was talking about that background. We've got to go ahead and take a drone shot and make sure we change that background. I think we're going to have to get some free VR in there and that sort of thing and get some really good stuff going here. We'll show the Think Tech Studio from the outside. How would that be? Oh, that would be perfect. Yeah, we'll do that. I'm from on top and let that stop. So what we're here talking about today is kind of one of the steps in the important steps in the evolution of drone usage here in Hawaii. And that certainly includes whenever you guys are involved, that all automatically means the educational program, community outreach, parents and kids, which are our future workforce. And in fact, if they're a good workforce and we do the right thing, they'll generate the funding we all need in Social Security in our old age. So let me tell you how important it is to work with the kids. But the whole subject of persistent operations, successful and reliable and safe operations is something that you guys have found it necessary to get into. And that's a really important aspect of this. And that's the world of maintenance and continuity of operations and this sort of thing that we really expect these systems to have. So tell us about how you came into that and how we're going to go forward with it. Yeah. Basically, we just looked at the outcome of... Outcomes. Once again, that's what you always bring to the show is the outcome. Outcomes drive everything, don't they? You see it and that's super important is because with that outcome, the results that you have with kids getting involved with UAVs and operations, it's the future and why we're doing it, why we're doing this, we're the pathfinders. We're the ones that's setting up the course for them. So a group of people from Hawaii, especially our future generation, can thrive, can utilize technology and use it to our advantage to survive. I mean, we live in Iraq in the middle of the sea. We might as well... We've been always... It's not like... I like how we always say it too. We don't reinvent the wheel. We just continue working on it and improving it and innovating it. Like Kainoa would say always. And what we do, I mean, it's unrenewed schools, for example. That community outreach, working with schools in education. We brought them onto the show. They had a great time. We got a picture of them here somewhere, I think, that we're going to show in a minute. That program that we did was a great accomplishment for us at Coleg Odis because we finally got to finish a program teaching them real simple fundamentals of how to fly an UAV, how simple, small things like putting a registration number on your aircraft. That is big. Not too many people follow up on that or even little as to how to take care of your battery when you're using a drone in an environment where there's ocean, there's the payload that you have to take care of. So that's what we taught in the program and that's what we understood the importance of reaching out to the education side of things is super important. Let's take that one step further. And we got to get the engine ring side of this in too. The engine ring is a picture of you. There we are. Okay, we have Kainoa on our right on the picture. And we got a couple of the students in a great surprise opening a box that has in it a brand new drone. This actually was a phantom drone that me and my brother actually purchased and we were having trouble activating it. So it was kind of like set aside for a while and it was kind of like meant to be because as soon as we finished this program with the new and new schools, I kind of found the box in the closet and I was like, hey, what is this? And I took it out and I was like, oh, wow, this is the drone. This is still brand new. All it needs to do is we need to either figure out if it needs a firmware update or what's the actual problem because we sent it to DGI. We sent it to the factory manufacturers. They sent it back. They said nothing's wrong with it. You just have to update the firmware. And it was having trouble connecting to the mobile device every time you connect it. So what me and Micah did was we teamed up with Drone Services Hoy. We got the drone activated. Let's have a shout out to Mike and the gang out there. Mike and Elliot. Thank you guys. We got it started with Mike Elliot and his team and as soon as we finished it, we shot straight back to a new and new schools, took it back to them, presented it to the children and that's what you saw in the photo. They were so stoked. But you know what goes through my mind is that there's so many pieces in this conversation already that are parts of the drive to the future. One of them is the issue of system reliability and detection of faults and correction of faults which is maintenance and is, as you mentioned, that really magic word, firmware updates. Even the hammer you buy at Home Depot today has firmware, I'm sure, in the summer. And it comes with a DVD or some kind of going on web and you got to get the operation instructions for the hammer, right? So everything is tied to the web, is now tied to the cloud. And so firmware, software, reliable software, trusted software and software that tells you when it's not working. Really big parts of where this has to go. Right now we're not there. So right now we're depending on you guys to figure out what's working, what's not working and come up with a maintenance program to inspect and then a recovery program to fix and then a return to service test of some kind to verify that it's good to go. And that was the best part about this learning experience is that we finally understood, okay. The best part is the outcomes. The outcomes. Your word, okay. The outcome of this was, really we are that UAV service company, that provides maintenance and inspections on your aircraft. And we're not talking... Let's say that again. We are your UAV service company that provides maintenance and inspections on your aircraft. On your aircraft, yeah. That is an incredibly compelling and containing statement. And it's really important that, in fact, I think we need to find a way to make some instructional videos out of this. Oh, big time because that very idea goes back in my mind. The fact that these UASs, they operate in the air. And anything operating in the air has to have a guaranteed level of reliability. And we're not there yet. But you've come up with the first structured look that I've seen to figure that out. And it might not even be something the manufacturer provides to you. But you, as an FAR 107 pilot, are obligated to step in and fill in a gap not provided by the manufacturer. And you're starting on that path. And the best thing about it is that, okay, they all come, right? How you involve the community. You're an entrepreneur and how you're going to involve the community. So we like to push it out to the schools. We are creating all these videos that it's real basic maintenance, real basic PSA, public service announcements to the community about drone awareness or UAV operations. And it's even better to look out for Koleo Go because we're coming to your school and we're going to be telling you, hey, join us together. We can join together, have this opportunity of technology. We've figured it all out to bridge this gap. And no better way is to have your school recognize as the operators, the maintenance providers, the really the, what's the word am I looking for? Outcomes. Yeah, outcomes, big outcomes. So that was our, for our service, that was the main one was creating this checklist and using it towards our clients who give us drones. And they say, hey, you know, we just got a, we have a bunch of aircrafts that needs to be inspected. And we're planning on using it for commercial work. That's perfectly fine. Give us the aircraft, we run it through our checklist, make sure everything is all functional. And of course, it comes with the understanding of as part 107 pilots. It's an obligation that you've taken on by getting that 107 certification. For all of us. Yeah. But I like the fact that you're coming from manned aviation training as well. Yes. And you've got to get Kinoa in that program as soon as you're clear. I look forward to that. But yeah, but I think that you certainly know as you push this throttle up in that SN172 and start rolling down the runway, you can't be thinking, gee, I wonder if this thing is going to stay together for the next hour. Right. That I paid for here. I appreciate you recognizing the training as a student pilot at the Wright Flight School. They're training there. It's like I said, they're just showing you the wheel. You don't have to recreate it. Just learn the wheel. Learn how you treat an aircraft, a manned aircraft, how you pilot it, how you go over PAVE, you go over I am safe. This is all our acronyms that we have to go over. That's good. It's acronyms are what it's all about. There's a lot of acronyms in the industry. So when we use it towards an aircraft, it's like there is no frustration or it's really clear on what we have to do. And what we should do is we're going to take that experience and exactly what you're going through right now in the training and import that transfer over to the world of unmanned aircraft. In Palo Alto up at Anui Nui, when we're launching off on a mission, just like in 172, we push the throttle up. Is it going to stay together for the next hour, please? We need to make sure that when you push the throttle up on the UAS, it's got a good hour ahead of it. So we can run the mission and not put anybody in jeopardy or harm or not lose the airplane or the sensor or whatever, maybe and not perform the mission. So mission first, outcomes, once again to steal your favorite word, and orient the whole concept of training and maintenance planning and maintenance execution to achieve the mission. Yes. What a great way to tie this all together. And that goes back to the engineering side. And Kainoa is our junior engineer here. But we're adding or putting these very complicated systems, more complicated than the Cessna 172 I might add, in the hands of people who may not have any prior history in working with complex systems. We have a ground controller. Yes. We have a man-air system. Yes. We have batteries. We have radio communication in between. We have buildings that intercept the radio communication. We have interference from signal bounce or just radio noise from some RF source. All those things tend to destabilize or make more complicated the operation than that 172. And so the problem is actually more complex that we delivered into the hands of a lot of people without much training. Yeah. And that's what our Kuleana or our responsibility is, especially because we understand that, okay, we have operators out now, Part 107. And we want to make sure that all operations in the community is done right, is done correct, real simple if they're asking permission to film over here on the island. And we want to push that community effort for reaching out to all these Part 107 pilots who are operating for weddings, for real estate. Please double check your work with your maintenance. Make sure you have a scheduled maintenance. Make sure you have, if you're performing something else, say unscheduled maintenance, be sure to log that down. It's not a rule for Part 107, but it is a recommendation and it's a very good one, especially for productive, basically reducing the risks and liability. Let's talk about that very issue, reducing the risks like an engineering part of the talk. We'll talk to Kaino about that. Permission. We'll get back from our first break here. 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And I think Think Tech Studio is downtown Honolulu with your favorite show, where the drone leads, and two of our favorite guests on the show, Mike Hamotas. Yes. CEO of Kolea Gold. And I know Jimenez, CEO, used to be CTO. Now probably combined, CTO, COO of Kolea Gold. And by the way, we have our favorite Kolea in our yard. Moana Nui, we call him because he makes the big trip over the big water. But we're getting ready to go. And just imagine what they're thinking about right now. Two weeks away from their, maybe three weeks away from their big trip, looking at 3,000 miles nonstop in three days. And they're not even getting, they're just beginning to get social and start to work with each other, recognizing that they have to operate as a flock when they go together for technical reasons we can speak of at some point in time. But just think what those guys are getting into right now. We always think about what to go through. That's the whole reason why we named Kolea Gold. Oh, right on. That's the same situation where you're getting ready for a flight and you're taking off and you're dealing with it. Perfect analogy. Right. Yeah, that's great. So let's talk about that very issue we had just before the break. That issue of the safety reliability and how we take those kind of abstract terms and make them very executable in a tactical level with a spreadsheet or a score sheet or a checklist. If you take a look at this particular UAV on the table here and the ground controller, how would you look at that from the perspective of is this thing going to operate for the next hour successfully or not from your engineering perspective? Well, first and foremost, you checked for the FN number, which is located usually on the top. And if they have that, then you know they're already on the right path. The next step, I would check the battery life, see if it needs charging or if, as long as the battery has 50% or not over, I can turn on the craft and see if it needs any update of firmware or if the remote controller. So with DJI products, the aircraft and the remote controller, they're their own separate software, so you have to update them separately. So if you update the drone and you don't update the remote controller, you won't even necessarily be able to connect your controller to the aircraft, which is kind of the problem it was having with the drone that we donated to Anui Nui. So the problem was when I sent the aircraft to the manufacturer, DJI updated the firmware on top of the craft, but they did nothing to the remote controller. So when I got it back, it was a brand new drone that wouldn't work basically because the remote controller and the craft are working off two different frequencies because this frequency is working off this updated firmware. That one is still working off the old updated, I mean not updated firmware frequency. So that's the next step I would choose. If it even connects to each other, do it even access the camera or even turn on the motors? You could think of a schedule-oriented, a progress-oriented schedule where you check this, check that, check the other, and then you can verify that things are good at that point in time. And then how do you memorialize that or make sure that the goodness for this flight also applies to the next one? Go check it again? Always pre-flight before you fly. Usually I like to check it a day or two before because these things take time to charge or even if, for example, one of these drones I was updating recently, they were not even activated, which is going to take a lot more time to create a whole account with DJI and all that jazz. And as soon as you finish that, then you can go through the process of updating that drone, which is a whole other jazz, and as soon as you finish updating it. So you kind of need a flowchart to tell you what to do and you've got to have some kind of a figure of merit or a figure of success partway through that says you're on the right track. Ideally, yes. I work with a checklist, because like I said, there's a lot of things to take detail and notice of and you can miss a couple steps along the way which can affect the whole flight in itself, like you said. Now, suppose you decide something is not working correctly, like say the GPS, how would you determine the GPS board not working correctly and giving you a bad GPS signal? Normally, you connect it with the remote controller which gives off a video feed. And usually on that feed, it gives you a menu of certain warning signs or it says usually it's indicated green or red and normally red means that the aircraft is either not updated or is having trouble connecting with this GPS board or something's wrong. So that's usually what the first determination I would look for. So you get a visual indication here indicating go, no, go and then you have to diagnose what the situation is now behind that. So if it led to the GPS board, now we know we have a faulted GPS board, common sense would say, set everything down and recycle it and that's called rewracking in the airplane business. You don't fix anything, you just take it out of the rack and push it back in again. Most of the time, hopefully it works. So rewracking is number one and recycling, same thing as rewracking, failing that and that GPS board really is hard down. Then you got to take it apart, find that GPS board and replace it. That's the least possible scenario is you want to take it apart. Normally you'd want to reset it and that usually fixes it, but if that doesn't work, normally that's the next step. Take apart and look what's going on inside. Now when you look at a circuit board, it's hard to see anything wrong with it. Unless there's burn marks on it or something, a circuit board looks like a circuit board. So you must have some diagnostic testing you can do with sensors or instrumentation of some kind that would tell you what the health of that GPS board is. You could use voltage meters, which usually I use. You'll check on continuity then with a voltmeter or something. If it has good continuity if not, then that could be a faulty part in itself that needs a replacement. So basically at that point you simply remove that board. Now they're getting down to physical work. You got to unswatter things, I suspect in some cases, and certainly unscrew them to remove them from the frame. And you got to put a new one in. And then the plot thickens. Is that new one the same model number as the one before? So normally, DGI, if you have a faulty part on your craft, they do not offer the replacement part. They either require you to buy a whole new craft or buy the updated part, which is the updated part of that faulty part, which usually costs a little bit more, but it's less than buying the craft again. But it's backwards compatible so that that updated part will fit the down-change piece you've got here. So then you have to go through the process again of verifying now that it's been fixed. In the meantime, the project manager is sitting here, I want the outcomes, I want to get this job done. So you're getting pressure from the operations side to go make it happen. So this is like aerospace all over again. This is exactly what happens as you know when the 172U fly or in the 767U fly to California when you take a trip. So what's most amazing is you guys are in the middle of that, starting to break down those pieces of the action into identifiable tasks and then doable repair tasks. And as time goes on, we must think that this whole process will get better and better and better as systems will identify themselves on the screen indicating what has failed and what must be done. In this particular case, just so you know, this particular model, it gives you a warning when you're one hour away from having motors that are probably at the end of their life. So you can change the motor before you run into a problem. But this is a sort of step-by-step thinking that is so important to teach and pass down to the folks following behind us. And that's where these videos come in. This is a video right here we're making, right? And there's no reason we couldn't think of 20 of these that would be in five-minute segments useful in a way that the classrooms could use them anywhere from the elementary to the high school years and begin instilling that systematic thinking in here. And then when the kids are done, get out of their way because they're going to move. And so if you are a school or an entity that is interested in creating these videos with us, because we have the aircrafts, we have the equipment to do these videos, and vice versa, we can work together making these videos, being recognized as working with Pathfinders, the outcome is... The outcome of Pathfinders, this guy is incredible. Let's put up a connection point for you on here. Kolea Gold, how do people get a hold of you? Yeah, you guys, you folks can get a hold of us through our website at www.koleagold.com That's all one word, right? Koleagold, one time. Koleagold.com Before you can reach us at our phone number, I'll reach it out at 083825225. And we'll be more than happy to reach out to you folks and talk more about these videos. And after completing our videos, we can go ahead and present it to the FAA Safety Board and to the FSDO or the Flight District Office here in Hawaii. And they'll be more than happy to support this movement, especially, I quote and unquote, the more work we do, the less work they do. I heard that, didn't we this morning? Yeah, right. So that's right, the more we stabilize, standardize and make reliable our behavior, the less they have to get involved because we're doing the path that they've laid down for us. And on the other hand, we can push the perimeters on this and push the frontiers and find where things have to be changed in regulations and such, which is part of what the Pan-Pacific Unmander Systems Test Range is all about at UH, under the UH Applied Research Lab. And then it buys the FAA on where those rulemaking actions need to be or those design changes, as the case may be. But I really, this is the first conversation we've ever had with anybody who's diagnostically unscrewing these things, unlearing them and finding a systematic approach at the general level to push this whole business forward. And that is so incredible. I want to thank you so much, Michael, for having that thought in the first place. Of course. We'll be back next week. I know. You too. And we didn't make it sure. Anybody who wants any school out there and wants to get a hold of you guys, let's do that. And let's generate these 20 videos that we can give out there five minutes a piece. Five minutes is about the attention span of people like me. And we should be able to get the story done in five, right? Yes, yes. Okay. And folks, well, again, Michael and Kainoa, thanks so much for coming on. Long time visiting you guys. And folks, we'll see you next Thursday at noon.