 I can talk to Erwin Lascaux today. Erwin Lascaux is amongst other things, the founder and chancellor of the Giordano Bruno Global Shift University. He is a philosopher of science, a system theorist and a system philosopher. On this very beautiful day here on the EMCSR, 2012, we can talk with each other and where to be here. So talking about the European meetings on cybernetics and system research, how many times have you visited the EMCSR before? I have been part of it before. I think, well, from Hofkirchen we know exactly. I think two years ago, I think, I was part of it. And then there was a previous meeting at the end of the 90s. Also on the foundations of systems, of information. Information is very much the same people involved from Hofkirchen and others. So a few years I have visited and of course I have been a good friend until this day. I am looking for a better life here. How do you think the conference has developed over the years? I think it shows the growth, the healthy growth of interest in society, of system thinking. It used to be thought as special because it only applies to one or another thing. Very special areas of living systems, of technical systems. But now it turns out that almost everything we can think of around that is a system. The interest is really the recognition of the importance of system thinking. Do you think this progress will develop further in this direction? Where do you want to see the answers? To recognize that as we are dealing with an academic discipline it is very relevant to the problems we face. So it is both understanding and application. Both are really very important. We have to understand and apply things. We are thinking solidly and well, but we cannot just stay put. We satisfy this only theoretical understanding. We also have to see how that understanding applies to the growth around it. This directly leads me to your very inspiring keynote. We had just some moments before and the title of the keynote was Information and Career in the Major and the Cancer of Human World in Concurrents. So my first question is concerning that topic. How did we, our humanity and our society, become in coherent with the system? Where did we go wrong? It's very difficult for an individual to understand. But what is around us are also living systems. It looks like nature would be just passing. We have to think that what we notice we call dualism. We are thinking that I and nature are separate. Woody Allen makes fun of everything. He said nature and I, we are two. We are one. But this kind of thinking of separating ourselves from others because we see ourselves as individuals and the most other people around us are others and nature is something different and the matter is quite different. So that's a natural way of thinking. But it's a mistaken way at the same time because when you look closer you find that all of these are tied together in relationships that create systems. Out of life, on earth, is a giant system sometimes called a dia. So when we have a new society and a new culture which welcomes emotions do you think are crucial for achieving an effective new culture? Consciousness and responsibility. At the same time ethics come so forth into that. Consciousness because we can choose our actions. We can be conscious unlike with other species but we are the only species that has this evolved ability to foresee the consequences of our actions. So we have to consciously choose actions that have positive consequences for results. And then we have to accept the responsibility for choosing the right actions. If we are part of the community of human beings, part of our local community and the global community, both part of also the ecological community, then as members of those communities we have to be responsible so that we act in a way that doesn't damage the community. This directly leads me to my next question which is do you think that our current society is capable of becoming consciousness and of having those values and emotions which are essential for our culture? The current society means people. Yes, of course the people have to change but the current culture has to change. The current culture is not capable of that. Because it has to be fundamental to change. But our society can change. We can have different cultures. We can evolve as individuals. We can change our genetics. We can change our culture. So something of your keynote, what would you like the people who attended to take with them? A recognition of their responsibility of systems thinker to bring ideas to the people around them that will lead us into a more positive direction. And then as God has said today they themselves can lead the change as you see in the world. And as they lead conscious systemic members of the systemic community. When you talk about change you have some work with you and you always mentioned the young generation and the new generation which is very interesting topic for us young students because it depends us directly and to say that our generation, the young generation is faced with the challenges of change. And my question is how can the young generation lead the challenges of change? Well, that will take us a couple of hours. But in a very, very brief way we can become conscious of being part of a tremendous evolutionary trend. Being part of an evolutionary wave that is moving, that is not static, that moves forward and to be a conscious positive part move is a healthy way to unfold. So and what completely do you think we can do in our everyday lives? Choose the topics that you study so it will become relevant to this change and then when you come to the inside then apply to yourself. And to the day that you talk to other people you will understand. So thanks for that advice and thanks for that very beautiful interview is there something, anything you would like to add? My face is in the young generation as a new generation. I don't think we think the same way that my generation has felt when I was a young age and much more aware and much more part of a larger system become aware of that. So I think it's up to you to create a new world. Thank you.