 Pulse Influenza Awards 2023 and I am hanging out with the one and only Daddy Mato. Hi Martin. Hi, how are you? Good, thank you. How are you feeling? I mean it's a night of enjoyment so me I'm here for more enjoyment. Are you nominated? Yes I am. I'm nominated for the second year running for Tech Influenza and of course I hope to bag it. If I don't congratulations to the newbie. Yes, very nice. Second you know time, how does that make you feel? I mean it's a validation of the work that I have been doing and it's good to be recognized for a category that ideally most people would shy away from because I enjoy it and I don't you know present it as somebody who knows but as somebody who loves doing what they do and they want to share what they know. That's it, that's it. Now how is fatherhood Mato? I know you're not a new dad. You've been a dad for a while now but what is that one lesson that you've learned just the other day out of fatherhood and you're like okay the lessons never end? That's what that's the lesson that the lessons never end. What lesson did you? Oh okay. No that's in itself yeah the lessons never end. There is what you think you know now that will change. When we were parenting one child what I knew then is different from parenting two children and now parenting three children and not just parenting three children but also in a way you end up parenting your parents and then you end up parenting your spouse because of the new challenges that come up every single day it's you know adulting adulting series. What are those values that you want to instill in your children probably just two values that are very important to you? It's just hard work kindness I'll make them three hard work kindness and consistency yes be consistently kind and consistently work hard that's it. What's your way of parenting the african way or the modern way? It's a mix one thing I always say is I will never punish my child for a mistake I will punish them for something that they consciously do knowing it is a mistake yes accidents that's an african parent speaking for sure yeah yeah so and then hopefully how I was parented how I'm trying to parent you just do your best you let them into the universe and you hope that they come back as the best version of themselves yes we are we are just custodians of them till they get to 18 then and then 18 plus one 18 years old plus day one okay what are two characteristics if a person possesses they cannot be your friend ooh two characteristics that if a person possesses they cannot be my friend deception because you know with deception they can never be trust and friendship not acquaintancing or a colleague in friendship needs trust so of course deception and of course lack of kindness I'm very keen I'm very keen on kindness I'm very very keen on kindness because it's thank you so much for talking to us we wish you all the very best tonight we can't wait to see you know talk to you when you win from your mouth to God's yes amen amen amen all right thank you so much