 Alright, it is four o'clock and if we have a quorum, so we'll call the June 14th architecture review board to order Steve if you could run us through the roll call, please Here Jerry Jones Richard Wendy Pam Langen Robert Hymerl Indicated he was gonna miss the meeting and Charlie wigg Charlie wigg Thank you very much in that case we'll move item 1.2 the Pledge of Allegiance everyone would please stand I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Item 1.3 is to identify any potential conflicts of interest Hearing none. I'll move to item 2.1 approval from the minutes back from May 10 Everyone had a chance to review those motion and a second any further discussion hearing none Let's do this one as a do we need to call it or just do a voice just do a voice right all is in favor signify by saying I I Any opposed? Great minutes are approved. Thank you Item 3.1 is the proposed construction of a new jmk AC art preserves storage building down at 36 36 lower Falls Road if the applicants could come to the podium and Give us a brief introduction to what your project is looking to do sure I'm Sam Leroy with Qashis Basically what we look to do here is 60 by 60 metal building It's gonna be pushed back to the far north side of the property You're seeing on the screen there. That's the elevations colored elevations footprint, and there's the site plan showing the location of the building Kind of where it sits You can see there It's quite a ways back on the property and it's kind of tucked in there and that's to obviously Shield it from the road and kind of provide a natural barrier to the building. It's 60 by 60 Was a 20 foot eave height The materials on the outside of the building if we can scroll back to the colored there it is Basically, we're choosing corresponding colored elevations Corresponds with what's existing on the property And then we are also using our landscaping to screen the south side, which would be the visible side from the road If at all visible We are using landscaping to screen that side of the building For year-round coverage think that covers it Great. I think everyone's concern is with such a nice looking new building down there We're not You're detracting from that at all, but it looks as if you're a ways back on the property You are doing some landscaping on that south side. That's correct. Any other comments or concerns from the board? We have a motion and a second any further discussion Hearing none Steve if you could read the roll for a voice phone, please sounds good Joe Clark. Hi Marcus of Al gliel Jerry Jones Richard Lindy and Pam Langen Looks as if that passes great. Thank you very much. Good luck with the project Brings us to item 3.2 the proposed construction of a new warehouse by Torgan all Along Barron's Parkway in the city of Sheboygan business park if that team could Come to the podium and introduce yourselves and tell us a little what you're planning out there, please Good afternoon My name is Chris Herzog president of a CE building service the design bill general contractor for the Torgan all project And I would be happy to answer any questions you have About the exterior appearance and all the for any Business or operational related questions to Tom So the building itself is a sixty seven thousand five hundred square feet It is phase one of a planned multi-phase project on the parcel The building itself will be used primarily for the storage and distribution of raw materials for Torgan all this Construction project is directly Related to their increased Volume year over year every time we we come before you we sort of have that same Comment, but their their growth has just been Unreal so this is the next next chapter in in their story The building itself is a pre-engineered steel construction. We've chosen to incorporate different metal panel colors and Profiles as well as some aluminum storefront glass both to provide Natural light into the space and provide a little bit of an aesthetic Value to the outside of the building as well The colors and the color scheme that we chose for this project actually tie into the project that was just recently Completed on their Taylor Drive facility. I did bring pictures along today if you would like to see what That looked like actually finished But the the brick sample the metal colors The aluminum storefront frame colors would all match that and yet the end goal There is to sort of create a brand for The exterior of their structure right now they currently have three different facilities All located over in the business park From a sight perspective We did our very best to ensure that this was a balanced site So we don't propose to haul off nor import a lot of material whether that be topsoil or fill material and We chose a building elevation height that would best set us up for that as well as Be suitable for use between the two different facilities So on the site plan that you're seeing in front of you right now on the far right-hand side of the screen You can see the outline of an existing building. That is Torgon also facility that's located on Tower Drive They purchased the Barron's Parkway property not that long ago and Their intent in developing this property is actually to be able to traverse between the Tower Drive facility and The Barron's Parkway facility without having to actually enter the city street They're gonna do that by way of a Well, we're actually will be crossing the drainage easement that's currently there The information that was submitted Included an easement To actually go within the current drainage easement and this was worked out between Ryan's asthma and the city attorney on Hanhada How to traverse that? So it would include that We'll be placing Some drainage piping in the the flow line or bottom of that drainage easement so that we don't impede any water flow and Then building sort of an earthen bridge over the top of it and this way Torgon all staff can go Over the top of that either with forklift traffic truck traffic semi traffic. What have you it again not have to enter Public way or public right-of-way to get from one facility to the next The site itself of stormwater plan will incorporate There you're gonna not see a stormwater management pond on the site. We do not require one with the city's Regional pond intact, but all wall stormwater will be diverted to that that pond Downspouts on the building will be plumbed underground So we don't create surface erosion or surface water runoff from the building facility itself I'm not sure if there's anything else that really jumps out as a as a highlight. It's it's a relatively straightforward building In its use if there are any other questions. I'm happy to answer. I Think it is a pretty big building and some of the concerns I think the city forwarded some Questions to you as to possible options to kind of break down the scale a little more I've had a chance to review those and your comments back on What you are or are not adopting from those suggestions so We sat down and discussed those with with the Torg and all team and It was it was their desire to propose the the facility as it is presented today for your consideration and See if we could start that conversation there I guess if I could hi, I'm Tom test we junior president of the company Torg and all With our first purchase in the city of Sheboygan that was 46 17 cell Taylor That was formerly the Illumeral specialty company we recently did the office edition that Chris mentioned and At the end of this project. We really want All three buildings the Taylor Drive Tower Drive and Barron's Parkway Drive to have a very similar look So that's what we're doing with the panel. I know there was an idea brought up about putting a stripe Around the entire building. We did do a stripe above the shipping docks But you know, we really thought that between the glass and the different colors and different panels You know that it's it's hopefully going to be an attractive looking building and blend in with the Tower Drive building which was was kind of known as the weaver warehouse. I understand they're not the most attractive looking buildings, but It's going to serve our purpose. You know very nicely Certainly if you know if there's something With the paint colors It's more about for us all three buildings We want the signage and in the look and the feel, you know to be consistent And I don't think that that red that's shown on the on the screen really captures it It's probably more of a like a rust. It's just meant to give the two Tones a little a little pop at the entrance way You know, I think the other comment we had early stages in talking with Steve was about the use of precast tip-up construction and You know, it's an interesting idea I'm just a real big fan of these butler buildings We had it out in Sheboygan Falls and we love the way that the water flows off and Are actually it the way that it retains its temperature I'm sure those are very nice buildings and I know costs are getting closer. It's just our experience that We put walls up. We don't have heavy equipment that were put mounting from the roof So, you know, some of it's maybe more cost-driven But I don't know if that answered the question, but you know at this point I we can certainly put a stripe there I just think that it's gonna look better without it I think one of the other specific questions had to do with downspouts that there are 38 or so downspouts just curious how those tie in to what's being shown. Sure. So the downspouts They're really not shown on the rendering that you're seeing because essentially when you're standing far enough away from the building as As depicted in the rendering you won't see the downspouts. They will be color matching to the wall panel So they will essentially disappear. The only area that you may see The bottom of a downspout would be in the area of the brick Wayne's coat because we have to come away from the building slightly Just to traverse past the stone sill They will again all be Direct buried underground So there will be no spillways riprap rock or any splash pads or anything like that But they are all along that north elevation. That's correct This is a single-slope building and the intent with that is future expansions We would match the high elevation or the high eve of this building with the high eve of any future expansion so that The second phase would make this a double-slope building and the downspouts from that next phase would then be on the south side I think especially with the thought for this being expanded in the future and getting even bigger Things that help to break down the mass. I think would be good I think that the start you've got with the different colors is nice But it's feeling to me fairly segmented Something to kind of tie the whole building back together in addition to just the clear stories that start to Sort of indicate a band running through the building. I think something along those lines would help I don't know exactly what it would be just seems to be a lot of uninterrupted wall panel other than those clear story windows other thoughts from the board comments And this thing Yes, you can hear me. Yep. I'm just wondering if there's anything on the roof that we should be aware of There will not be any roof mounted HVAC units or anything like that any mechanical equipment would be contained within the envelope of the structure But the only thing that you would see might be a vent stack for mechanical Okay, thank you. Which one? Yeah, will we be able to put the rendering back on please? Yep, thank you the different colors break The thought with the different colors is is breaking up the large expanse as you have suggested we would intend on Keeping in tune with that color palette as we would expand in Looking at at other types of contemporary big box construction will call it. I mean Driving down between Milwaukee and Chicago We get into U-line buildings and Amazon warehousing and that sort of thing and I Guess it definitely isn't in the eye of the beholder and comes down to one's opinion ours ours was hopeful that That we would see the attempt at breaking up that large spans expanse rather than having one monotone color around the building with No windows and anything like that because there's you know There's not a building code requirement for us to introduce that natural light it was I guess our attempt at trying to Trying to spice up the outside of the building a bit create a little bit of visual interest and yet keep the Costs of the project Appropriate for what what torg and all is hoping is everyone stares intently at the renderings Other than the shipping docks are there three doors that self elevation has one door is that self elevation in West has one door Are we talking personnel doors? Yes. Yes, that'd be correct So there's actually two on the West elevation one would be the entrance to the small office area in the building One would be required by code to a firepump room and then looping around to the South side of the building. There's a personnel door One on the north side, and I think there's is there one extra on the west side as well So yeah, there's three total on the West elevation Those doors would also be painted to match the wall panel So Joe, were you talking more vertical? You're looking for something more vertical to break it up instead of horizontal That's a great question. I don't know I think they've started to break things down vertically fairly well, and I think what I'm seeing now is that Those vertical breaks are kind of disjointed and that's something else to tie them back together better He said they've got a fairly high eave height Especially that that center tan panel that just runs from grade all the way up to the the eave with just the clear story in it And that's a big section of wall And I like the pop of color at the corner and then we've got that picked up again at the loading dock Just something to start to weave together all those vertical pieces Trim band or something that would tie them together horizontally You know architecturally base middle cap is always a good place to start What are the panel heights are the is there a material change or More than one full panel anyway, so there's a break that's going to happen naturally in those walls so the wall panels that would That would be for the the main building envelope will all be one one piece single panel correct Eve height on the low side is 20 2828 and the high side is 31 foot 9 There's a slight possibility on the high eave or the high High side of the building that that wall panel is broken up into two expanses it quite honestly it comes down to a final engineering at the with the building manufacturer we can handle The installation of panels that are one piece for that situation I Guess I can see your point on some of the continuations throughout the building the The part I struggle with maybe I'm just not as tuned Architecture is the rest of you guys. I see the band. I love the windows I think the windows add a lot to the building But that single band at the loading dock just kind of stands out for me And I'm trying to picture my mind the band going all the way around the building and that's just not Happening in my head so I can see where we're trying to tie that to the entryway and the other building But doing something vertically that I can see where you're going I'm just not sure what we can add in there to enhance it overall. I mean, I think they're trying to accomplish something that's Functional here and I think it's gonna work for them. So if we have an idea, I think we can give them it would help But I I'm just trying to envision something vertically going around the building to tie that together And I'm I can't picture it in my mind. Yeah, those are all great comments Jerry And yeah, just to run a horizontal band to carry that red the whole way around is probably a little too much of a racing stripe But does it does it have elements of that they get carried through sort of at the corners or Carrying from the the main red corner kind of eroding out To to make more of an implied connection around So I don't know what the solution is just seems like something The the one with the loading dock There's You really see that corner of the building where the office is and that's where we have a little bit of brick some glass and awning and then there is a berm that Was added to cover and it's not a big Yeah I The other thing just everybody is is Looking at the rendering and the color all the same way the red panel is an accent metal wall panel It's a completely different corrugation as the main building colors And it's also run perpendicular to the building colors. So you we are creating some dimension with that Not only just in color, but in You know physical dimension sightlines that you'll have shadowing Etc. So the loading dock is if I'm looking at the one here is Here that's correct So Joe, I think the biggest one it seems like you have some heartburn with for lack of a better phrase is that long expanse of Gray for lack of a better color. Is that the one? I just go ahead. So I've seen this I'm not an architect. So I'm just kind of also here So what if it's not a horizontal thing that brings it together, but more of a breaking up of that long tannish panel with more gray coming off of the rust colored Corner kind of breaking that up a little bit more. I'm not using great words. I'm using normal people I Think any of those could be an option I think breaking it up in some way. They said I'm not sure what it is. Maybe dick has the answer If we would duplicate the pattern that's found on the loading dock side that width and height and the red strip on the south side It would give Expression that would be a continuation of the concept that Targon all has and I rather like their straightforward Design I thought it was quite straight striking And I'd like the fact that they haven't shown the south side on the colored at relevant elevations But if they could duplicate that same pattern on the south side, I think that would make me think that they have Carried their idea of the pattern of colors and Containment That they have expressed here being solid blocks as opposed to a string Would make some sense. So I'm suggesting that's one good possibility that they could consider and not would add I don't think would add a lot of money to the project, but it would be Something significant. I just wanted to comment that I was there when Don Peterson started this organization back 70 years ago or whenever it was And he was a friend of mine and and then after that Darrell Bell took over and It has this company has Stuck with Sheboygan and I like that and I hope that it will continue to grow Steve um, I don't know Chris and Tom if you guys want to mention this But one of the reasons for that self and the way it is right now is the anticipation is to build another 67,000 square feet So I think that's why they left that is as is at this point in time But maybe Chris and Tom I know we kind of talked in terms of Materials and when that's happening Maybe you guys could talk to the potential of when that we could see it next as far as expansion Because I know I thought they're in our discussions. It was like man. We'd like to do it all at one time, but We need to be in this building in January, so we're moving at a really quick pace right and I Don't think our contractor has the capacity to take on the whole project and get us in by the end of January Yep, I was where this is a manageable Yes portion and also Chris had mentioned that we might be well-served waiting a little bit because the steel prices are so high right now So if we do the second phase And from a risk management standpoint, you know, the second phase could be maybe next year or the year after right? So that that's really why but I mean these ideas. I think we can certainly Figure something out on you know, whether it's the panel or some color To break things up. I just don't know the process, you know, if we go back and you know propose a couple more things I don't know that that's gonna slow or I shouldn't speak for you. It's like it's a slower our Building down we're kind of in queue is what I understand But I think it sounds like we're pretty close if we showed some other ideas on paper I appreciate Jerry what you had to say because I was thinking about KFC chicken with a red stripe I understand it is it's it's not the most attractive building But at the same time we're in an industrial park 375 by 360 foot steel building these buildings are $60 a square foot, you know all in And you know, I we love glass we love the natural glass So that's what we did to try to say hey, let's you know modernize it a little bit And then we wanted to try to have the three buildings, you know with the common pink colors You know look look alike But I'm I'm thinking there's something that that can be done just so it you know when you look at the building You don't just see this big long wall of Tote great. I guess my my suggestion was dick was talking about doing something to the south end of the building right now And my question I guess that I was posing is you guys are talking about an expansion Crouch very short order So where I was going with it does does it make sense to put it on this one or the next one? That based on our discussions and kind of what you're saying now is likely to happen in the near future Yeah, yeah, it was my kind. Yeah, and we've done that. We're actually they'll recycle that end wall But I think sometimes it's cheaper just to put a new end wall in right So I think too with the south side beings Fairly non-visible From Tower Drive, you don't see maybe not the place to put that extra money if we could put the extra money to the most visible Corner that's gonna carry on Barron's Barron's is gonna be the spot. Yeah, Parkway, so I really like that rust color coming in I my thought would be would it make any sense to expand the rust color kind of the pop color to make the gray Area not look quite as long if you could extend the rust color on the corners I mean you're so bad the sixty seven thousand square foot building, but it might not appear as long I really like that pop of color, and I think if you had a little bit more of that You know, and I don't know how that affects your signage or anything, but I I really to me That's the thing that catches my eye with building I'm wondering if we go look down where it's not to the window, but closer to the window All right, and then move everything down And maybe even carry that the darker gray a little longer and then cut down on the lighter Sounded as if from from your time frame standpoint To look at some additional options and come back again and to our next meeting in a couple of weeks Wouldn't disrupt you hugely. I know I know one of the things that we talked about was you guys were getting ready to go I know one of the things that they had talked to me about was hoping to get Some type of approval potentially with maybe going back and forth from a staffing perspective because I thought you had said Hey, we're trying to move things along and I didn't know whether or not that's something we've done in the past I'm not saying that's right or wrong, you know, but I know that was a discussion I had with these gentlemen Chris the The approval that you need to keep moving I don't think anyone's had a concern with the basic footprint and the layout and roof slopes of the building It's really more of the facade treatment If there's a an approval from the board that the basic massing is fine We like the windows. It's just what do you do for that final treatment for the panels and color spacing? It does that keep you rolling and not hold things up Yeah, that'll keep things moving because those things are are really superficial in nature when he comes down to a state plan approval perspective and really that is the that's the critical path right now at this point is we have plans that are going to be submitted in matter of days and From that we will use that to build our construction timeline and as as Tom mentioned We have a rather short timeline that we have to get this Turned over and to them to use so that would be that would be adequate definitely And Joe, I think in the past we've done that on a staff level Because as long as it's in the concept area of what we're discussing and nothing Totally obtuse from that Steve would come back to us and say hey wait a minute. They've changed the entire thing But I'm okay with doing at the staff level. I will say I will add in with the caveat that we're talking about Wall colors and we're talking about the expanse of the accent panel things like additional That anything that would have that would affect the structural design of the building additional windows Additional masonry masonry that would extend above the current elevation that it's at right now will definitely change things Yeah, I don't think we were suggesting stone piers between each window How does the rest of the board feel about An approval with modifications coming back just at a staff level Are you comfortable enough with that or would the entire board like to see the next go around with those facade updates? I prefer the first option you just mentioned Perfect Want to make a motion? I'd like to make a motion to approve subject to staff final review of the exterior colors second We have a motion in a second. Thank you. Any further discussion everyone clear on that Steve The only thing is is if there was any questions or things like that like amongst us if we didn't get it Then I'd bring it back. Sure, you know But other than that we can try to get it done and how just so we understand Maybe you need to finish your emotion and have a vote my question would just be how do we navigate through that process? Through email personal meeting. Yeah, yeah, okay, and I'll just stay together and just send renderings sounds good Perfect any additional discussion Steve and then and then Once I agreed to it you would submit the final Rent elevation of what was agreed upon Super, it's Steve if you could please read the rolls Joe Clark. Hi Marcus Savalio. Hi Jerry Jones. Hi Richard Lindy. Hi and Pam Lang That sounds like an approval Thank you very much appreciate your willingness to to work with the city On your long-term commitment here much appreciated and we like to see this sort of development moving forward. So, thank you very much And then we'll see tomorrow too Any other items that the board is wanting to bring up? Oh, no Steve. Did we need to be voting on? Membership at any point did we do we did that already? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Okay So so we will have a meeting on June 28th Super. All right with that. Let's just do a voice vote to adjourn move to adjourn All in favor. Aye. Anyone opposed Sounds like we're adjourned. Thanks everyone. All right. Thanks everybody. Thanks, Joe