 Good afternoon all I'd like to call to order the meeting of the city of Santa Rosa design review board January 16th 2020 Look for a roll call patty, please let the record reflect that all board members are present except for a board member cordon Brock Thank you And moving on to item number two approval of the minutes. We have before us minutes from our regular meeting held January 2nd Anybody have any Items to add to those minutes corrections Seeing none, we'll put those into record Item number three is board business. This is where I read the purview of the design review board Versus any other board commission in the city of Santa Rosa Design review board is slated with project review the review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan in the applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements i.e. city policy statements or development plans That's the purview of this board At this time, I'd like to open up for public comment on items not on today's agenda I do have one card for public comment from Dwayne do it Sorry Okay, I'll talk up here big cool. Excellent. My name is Dwayne do it and I'm from Roseland I wanted to wish you all a good new year those of you that don't know me I Sometimes come to talk about positive aspects of building and planning I think Mr. Goldschlag may I have been a police officer when I was young, but he had more hair So is that the same one? All right, buddy. Good to see you here, sir Today, I wanted to come and compliment you on volunteering on these efforts and at the same time Ask you to take seriously the recently passed climate emergency resolution at the city of Santa Rosa approved on Tuesday And actually you are the ground troops. You are the foot soldiers if that Resolution is ever going to have any impact Essentially it all begins with planning and design Design being perhaps the most important part of any of our built environment I'm here to talk about something that folks who do that like to say and that's green infrastructure Me I just call it trees and plants and good nature stuff. God's good green creation But for professionals they use the term green infrastructure for you folks It comes down to whether or not you keep as minimal amount of Hardscape and impermeable surfaces on land that is being developed by someone for whatever reason With that in mind during the design review phase, you can be the people that point out The footprint of various buildings may need to be smaller that there could be alternatives to paved impermeable parking that there are approaches for permeable parking Permeable sidewalks. There are many approaches in which you folks can be the leaders of Santa Rosa's climate emergency response team And I have to put it out there. I didn't get any influence on that being passed I'm just a dude from Roseland and the city council passed that on their own accord by other people lobbying for it So now we have to make sure that they walk their talk and it begins right here with you first and foremost And I'll bring that up to other boards and commissions that have an impact upon our built environment and the green infrastructure I won't take extra minutes now I see the clock just started, but I know how to give you my three for free And I'll be back another time to share what I hope is useful commentary I'd really like to have a discussion in a dialogue with you in the future And I believe you should schedule that with the community where you get to talk back and forth about how we're going to implement This climate emergency response and how we're going to do true green infrastructure Especially for stormwater pollution Creek's riparian corridors and trees getting them replaced when they're cut down. That hasn't been happening very much Thank you for your time gentlemen Thank you for your years mr. Duit much appreciated Awesome, you got it. Thank you Any other members of the public wishing to speak on items not on today's agenda? Seeing no other members of the public Head to the microphone. We will close public comment Moving on to item number five Statements of abstention any board members need to abstain from our sole item 6.1 this afternoon Seeing none we can move on to our scheduled item Item 6.1 is a public hearing for preliminary design review recess self-storage mixed use development design review major Located at 4224 Sonoma Highway file number dr 1 8-0 5 8 and Planner Susie Murray has a presentation for us to kick it off It's all yours Janine chair King Cade and members of the board is the project is recess self-storage It's a mixed use development, and it's located at 4224 Sonoma Highway The full scope of the project which we're right on the last leg of the journey here included a pre-zone to pre-zoning to annex two parcels that are that's a two-parcel County Island and then to construct a 124,000 square foot four-story Self-storage facility and two residential structures one with eight units and one with six units As you can see the entitlement package included several mitigated negative declaration pre-zoning for annexation hillside development permit tentative map and a conditional use permit all of which have been Acted on and approved or adopted the last one is before you today. It is a design review and To clarify there are actually then kind of there are three reservation or three resolutions here I'll talk a little bit more about that later in the presentation so the subject site is Is there? It's this is the the other parcel 4200 Sonoma Avenue or a Sonoma Highway is there is no development proposed It was only on the application for the purposes of pre-zoning for annexation so the development site is shown here and Getting up close you can see it's currently developed with a residential single-family residential structure and some other related outbuildings That that structure is empty at this point in time and I think you can actually see on the aerial when you do a site visit When you get on site, it's had a lot of homeless activity on it So the general plan land use designation for the site is retail and business services. It's located there Designated with that star The project implements several goals and policies of the general plan some of which were shown in your staff report But I think most importantly It helps with housing The zoning for the site is or it has been pre-zoned for general commercial And the let's see the off to the north south and West is surrounded by single family or by residential uses not necessarily single family and then to the east It's surrounded by commercial uses The project has been found in compliance with development standards including building height setbacks and and increased setbacks for self-storage facilities and Lot coverage so Here's the site plan and and what I'd like to point out here is that it's really been thoughtfully designed in that the Large self-storage facility is adjacent to Sonoma highway where it acts as a buffer for highway noise for the residential units behind it It's also there is commercial development to the east of it Which is on the top of this you know this exhibit and then? residential development where the six unit Residential attached structure is on which on the west side of the property and the bottom of the site plan on the screen And then there's an eight unit residential Building that actually overlooks the the Santa Rosa Creek Trail Which will make it a safer place for for people that use that trail And I've heard from a few people of course I one was the signs down and we got it back up So but people are using that trail the site plan also has a designated area for a city Well site for an emergency source of potable water On the the bottom or that well on the right side of the site plan here, which is the south side There's also the again the creek trail, but there's also a new Sewer trunk line going in that area, so we've got all those easements in place So here's a rendering and the the site plan again is shown below with a picture of what this rendering is of The one at the upper left is without foliage and the primary Image there is the what you'll see from the creek path when you're walking westbound on the creek path once the Landscaping has been established So here are the residential structures, and I'm not going to say a whole lot here because I've received I know that both the architect for the residential structures is here to talk a little bit more about that and you'll also hear more about the the self-storage facility So here are some renderings Again, it's coming on stream side drive the one on the top is The residential units that are on the west side of the property and or the development and the the image on The lower side is what the self-storage facility will look like when viewed from those residential uses across the street The the foliage that you see is a landscape island and then the the self-storage facility is behind that So again here are elevations of the six-unit residential structures structure and Then a rendering from Sonoma Highway and the top rendering is when approaching the Self-storage facility from the east so westbound traffic and then looking at it head-on from across the street on the lower photograph or Rendering here are some elevations of the self-storage building and again. I'm going to let the applicant Talk about those There's a quite a history on the site or on the property on the project starting back in 2016 when there was a pre-application with the applicant a meeting with staff with the applicant team and Staff recommended at that point that they might want to consider adding some residential uses so they went back to the drawing board and came back with the second pre-application meeting in 2018 and had added some residential structures, so I Talked about the Wow Let's say I don't need to go through all this you guys said the design review board saw the the project as a concept item And on July 19th We received project applications in September of 2018 and then in the beginning of 2019 the applicant decided to subdivide For development purposes and install the street so the waterways advisory committee looked at it and gave some recommendations which were outlined in your Staff report There was a mitigated negative declaration that was circled circulated for 30 days adopted by the Planning Commission and Council approved the pre-zoning so again we're back here There is a meeting scheduled on February 5th for the annexation when the annexation is complete We'll be able to start issuing permits. They have concurrent review Applications submitted at this point for both their improvement plans and their building permits there were several items that required some mitigation in the mitigated negative declaration and They did it Project presented some challenges so in the original design several city departments got together Really worked together with the applicant to come up with some a pretty creative Solution so there's a lot of things that are really shoehorned into this site to be able to meet the development standards and Provide that well site and that trunk line and what have you That was a collaborative effort that included to transit and public works the water department planning and economic development and There was a fourth Traffic transit traffic Anyways, the neighborhood meeting there has not been a lot of Feedback on the project certainly not very much negative feedback There were two members that attended the neighborhood meeting They were representing the property at 4200 Sonoma Highway, and they were very much on board with it in support of it other comments that we Received was a neighbor when I was doing a site visit one day called down and said we support anything because it'll clean up the property and Then there was another person who called and was concerned about a self storage facility at a gateway that person Had some other concerns and I suggested they come and relay them themselves because I couldn't possibly do them justice So late correspondence. There were some questions about some bus stops I provided a copy of the response from our transit division For for your review and there was some concerns also about traffic impacts this project Will generate about 35 trips At peak at peak hours. It's got 14 residential units, and there is not a lot of traffic associated with the self storage facility That calculates out to less than two additional trips an hour, and it did not trigger The need for a full-blown traffic study Okay, so here we get into your resolutions So there are three resolutions one for the self storage facility one for each of the resident multifamily residential buildings this is intended to provide some flexibility at the Concept when the board reviewed the concept item there were some several comments about the About the self storage facility, but there weren't there wasn't much there and for the residential So this allows you to if you if you want to Provide its clarity for specific conditions for each structure, and it allows you some flexibility for your actions You can if you want to see the item again, you can continue for redesign You can grant preliminary design review and delegate final to staff or you can grant preliminary and final design review and That is for each individual resolution So with that it's recommended by the Planning and Economic Development Department that the design review board grant Preliminary design review for the resale says storage mixed-use development all three structures Project by approving a resolution for the self storage facility one for the six houses six unit housing structure And a third for the eight unit housing structure that concludes my presentation I know there are two more presentations to follow so I'm available for questions We'll go ahead and take questions of staff right now Drew you have questions for staff sure Since I'm in the hot seat So Susie question on the the kind of the mechanics of what you just proposed So could we lump all three together or do we do do we do we have to do each one individually? Just out of curiosity just you you can review them all together But you're gonna need to want us to do yeah I want we're gonna need a motion for each one of the three resolutions So we couldn't lump them together since you've proposed three different resolutions for us okay cool That's correct. Okay perfect and then so then question so normally when we would do this So we'll just you know typically do our regular thing and then we'll just say you know Wave reading the text, but we'll indicate resolution one resolution to resolution three correct just to the Mechanics I just want to make sure we get the mechanics right for you guys So we're not having a hiccup with that the title of each resolution Reflects the structure that it would be adopting so there's one resolution for the self-storage facility So when you read the title of the resolution, yeah, you don't have to give it a one two or three That'll do it now. Okay, okay. Thanks. All right. There is actually though while we're talking about that I want to point out that in a final read of the draft resolutions. I actually did Notice an error on both of the residential units this is a resolution that was for the most part cut and pasted and the fourth whereas I Have created modify. I've corrected the whereas so that it would correctly reflect the either the Self-storage facility the eight-unit residential structure or the six-unit residential structure at this point I believe the ones in front of you all reflect the self-storage facility so I think Those were my questions of staff. Thank you So just to Drew's point one thing that the board could do is just have a once we complete the questions and answers presentations comments from the public you can have a discussion on the project in its entirety and then at the conclusion Do a motion a second and an action on each of the resolutions So the planning Commission actually does this quite frequently That's the way I'll handle it Henry questions Yeah, one real quick one Susie and they all the information you provided to us you had a the meeting minutes from the planning Commission Pretty sparse on conversation between planning Commission and staff and and I was just wondering if you could relay any concerns or items they may have Look to design view board to fill in any gaps in their approval of the tentative map so They they're limited minutes because we do action minutes And if you ever do want to look at the what you know all the comments you can refer back to the video Thank you. That's really nice to get that information out there some of the other comments Going back. I know with the hillside development You know, they they looked at some pretty Conceptual plans And there was some concern about the landscaping and what have you for and the stepping of the the structure that has it in well in staff's review they have addressed those concerns with a with their landscaping and the and yeah stepping that the roof line with the hillside and it's not a Very steep hill. It's it's just over a 10% for a small slope, but but even so so I think that's That's pretty much There was another issue with parking on the back side of the I think that was a staff issue I don't think that was a planning Commission issue It was the parking on the back side of the the storage structure that would be used by the eight-unit residential structure So like I said, they kind of shoehorned things in in order to make the whole project work and it does Great. Thank you. That's it Thanks, Henry Warren questions for staff. Oh, I just I just want to appreciate how this is going It's a lot of moving parts because each the parcels could probably be sold you someone could buy a six-plex or eight-plex And that's one of the reasons we're conditioning that way. I noticed the the only thing that's really shared there's there's the The major city well, which is its own animal the access to And there were some trash enclosures that are going to be shared by everyone I'm going to reserve just a singular comment there. It's not much but since that's shared We'll just leave it at that It was it was I'm mindful of the fact that this whole trash enclosure is going to be served by both residential and commercial in the narrative I Would like to clarify that yeah, there is a Trash enclosure that'll be placed near the The red the parking for the eight-unit residential structure and that trash enclosure is used for the residential structure Okay, for the eight-unit structure the six-unit structures have Trash and they have independent traffic or trash service garbage service they have put Bless you they have put a Door in the front of the garage and they're putting an enclosure Adjacent to the home in the backyard so that people can store their garbage cans on their own You know their own property basically and pulled them out through the garage and I'll let Randy Very helpful that clarifies. Yeah, the whole thing. Oh good. Thanks. I'm wonderful Thanks Warren Adam questions for Steph sure I just one question on the kind of mechanics of the arborist report and There was a recommendation in there just so this is just kind of seeing what the how it actually Gets approved, but there was a recommend the arborist had a recommendation to replace the trees for mitigation with all of the coast live oak and just wondering Does staff defer to the Arborist for that recommendation or is there a discussion or input or is that Towards us as well since it's more of a mitigation rather than a design question. Hello. You could argue it's design also, but It's a it's a recommendation from the arborist, but I believe I don't know that that is how it was worded in the mitigation monitoring reporting Program monitoring and reporting program MMRP And I will say that if if somebody were to propose an alternative tree so long as it were Replacing a Mitigating the loss of a heritage tree it were a heritage tree or had the potential to grow into one That the substitution would could likely be made So if you have if you want to change that okay, so long and again per the tree Ordinance it has to be an approved substitute Exactly, and that so that was one of my questions because we had this back in December discussion about that up and with the property open fountain Grove with Going one for one like like for like and so this one is because the vast majority were coast live oak But there were the black walnut and the big leaf maple and the bays and the arborists in their report says It is recommended that all native trees be replaced with the quark a saga fully of the coast live oak And so I just didn't know if if because the arborist Recommends that that staff says share sure. Let's do it Or if they're you know, it's a recommendation in the arborist report But I don't know how the mitigation measure is met. However, or you know how would that read? Which I can look up because I actually have the document. Oh, okay and and But it is a common practice that so long as if it's a coast live oak and they want it They're removing a coast live oak and they want to put in a valley oak Yeah, both there are you know in some cases a redwood tree We see it most often when people are removing redwood trees that will let them replace them with something like a live oak or a coast Or yeah, because it can grow as big and it's drought tolerant So yeah, and I think it even says it just goes to genus rather than to species So yeah, okay. Just a question about but thanks for clarification. That's it Thanks Adam Eric question for staff Thank you, and I just had one process question so are we seeing the housing units multifamily housing units because It all came in as one package prior to the tentative map approval Because otherwise as individual lots those could certainly come in for concept and go to the zoning administrator No When those provisions were made you're right They could but the project was already well on its way through the entitlement process. It is one project Okay, so the those multifamily housing structures are not separate from the self-storage unit It's just that it was easier for the res the resolutions were intended to give you guys a little bit of flexibility Great. Thank you Chair Cenkade I have one other item Yeah, so upon reviewing the documents available it looks like there was a PDF that was supposed to be uploaded And to I legislate here and it's not there and I asked Patty about it and she said that it was too big for it, but I'm told it's on the PowerPoint, but I'm wondering if we could maybe get some hard copies because we don't have it here Maybe like two or three What's the document? 4224 highway 12 multifamily residential DR presentation It's the last document Residential piece of it. Yeah, it's I guess it's Randy's presentation. I would assume And I was thinking perhaps it has some information that may not be contained within the other documents that are present in our file Maybe we can go through the presentation and see if it's worthwhile to print it So we'll see if we can get some of those printed part of the issue is when we get documents late We run out of time to be able to print everything and get them loaded in the right spot So we'll see if we can print some out though. Yeah, no, and I totally understand that. I just think we had this happen I don't maybe a month ago and it was it's just helpful. I think when we can have The documents in front of us as opposed to hey flip back to that page flip back to this page As has a board if we're opening our documents early in the week we can alert staff But if we wait too long, that's not good for staff This was yeah, except this was sent in today sent today. So yeah, they were supplement All right, so we'll move on to the applicant presentation I think and that way we can get through that and if there's questions and we need to flip through some pages And we can get some hard copies made So I'd like to invite the applicant team up for their presentation We'll go ahead and start with the storage facility since that one's opening And I'll figure out how to load this No, no, I think this is fine Good evening gentlemen. My name is Reed Hamilton. I'm the owner and developer of this project First I just want to take a minute and tell everybody. Thank you very much for the time and energy that's gone into this project It's been been a really a long run And the city's been absolutely amazing to work with even though you guys have had some major challenges due to some You know pretty historic environmental events. So first and foremost. Thanks so much I'm gonna just kind of flip through some slides here relatively quickly because Susie has kind of done a good job I feel like I've already explained in the project, but Before I start I just want to say, you know I'm developing projects throughout the West Coast right now all relatively similar kind of looks and feels and As we go through this process, you know a lot of times we Hold back when we are meeting with design review before we we kind of put our best foot forward because we think that sometimes There might be a little bit of a give-and-take and after we met with the did a concept design review with I recognize some familiar faces And it was in in 2018 We really try to take that into account and so what you see here is I mean we you know because of time We literally have put our best foot forward and we feel like we have a project that I'm personally very very proud of so I'm just gonna kind of flip through this. Please feel free to stop me at any time My presentation is not necessarily a presentation. It's more a little dialogue back and forth So as Susie mentioned, here's the front of the project that you see here When we presented to you in 2018 it was a lot brighter and bigger And we kind of had that that you said hey, that's that's not the direction We are looking for so we pulled a bunch of the green back and we reduced the Some of the tower aspects to make it look a little bit smaller Same thing here as you can see here the concrete block walls what would be facing ace hardware Worked with a couple different architects here both storage Pacific one of them is kind of a world-class architect out of Seattle I had him, you know re-look at everything that we've done and say hey just from a pure aesthetic standpoint Help us out like see what you can do and he thought you know putting some of the blocks in there that you see that are Different colors would kind of essentially break up that giant block wall So we really tried to take that into consideration and there's some also some decorative I Guess indents. I don't have the proper terminology as you guys have probably figured out by now As Susie mentioned one of the things that we really try to take into consideration is we're putting a lot on this site And you know as I've stayed in the past my desire was not really to do residential But because of the fires it felt like it was a responsibility for us to do so That being said the storage is the driving factor of this project And we needed to build the square footage that we needed to make the economics work But we really try to take into the consideration How do we block this you know relatively large building from the the residential aspect and so with Randy's help And he's going to talk more about the residential piece majority of the views are towards the back This is just essentially if somebody walks out of their garage for those six units there and it's relatively well screened Once again, like I talked about already trying to break up the wall Also a long highway 12 one of the recommendations in 2018 was to have more Mr. Hedge Matthew would tell me what the terminology is better, but you know a relief I guess you could say it was relatively blank And so we really tried to take that into consideration and add different Material from stucco and vertical as well as horizontal Metal I guess you could say I'm sure let's see where we are here You've won once again if the residential units weren't here. That's what you'd be looking at And then I'm sure you guys are all just dying to go through the site plan and wonder what the unit mix and unit counts Going to be on this but honestly the next four pages are just that it's stories one through four. So Like I said that here's some material boards, which I believe you gentlemen have seen so with that being said Once again, thank you very much for the time Here to answer any questions How we doing on the other presentation? copies are on their way super and I have a response as well as far as the I misspoke before that it's not a mitigation measure for the trees It's actually in the conditions of approval requires the project to comply with ordinances and that it's a common condition that they comply with the tree ordinance and It allows us some flexibility in the species and what have you General rule of thumb if it's a heritage tree it gets replaced with something that we has the potential to become a heritage tree And if not, there is more flexibility Okay, thanks for that Susie. I Think though that I could pull up my presentation and that Randy could do his presentation Largely from my slides because I have the elevations On mine. Is there Possibility that you're gonna be able to upload the our beautiful the flash drive Pat patty saying that the PowerPoint is loaded up. So Multifamily here we go What's this one? Good work patty. Oh wait. You don't know it's it might have Let's go ahead. I'm I can't get to that one. I Know the power points here Excellent projector is working in biology class. It's like 40 years ago Alrighty anyway, good afternoon. I'm Randy figurito tyranny figurito architects His read was mentioning He has a mini storage architect was actually doing the mini storage facility itself and I was brought in to Do the infill residential development. It was a component of the project and working with the the site plan that obviously was revolving around the the mini storage building to begin with in the city well side and the fact that Streamside drive was going to be continued through the project and then altered a little bit when the Curvatures and the radii of the street were tweaked some for the powers to be So we were looking at this is sort of a really good use of The land as a mixed-use project since the the mini storage tends to have you know fairly low traffic volume there I mean there's not a lot of You know people there a lot of times the sites just sort of sit empty and it was a good a good spot to Do the residential development especially because there's already a subdivision To the exit be up to the south of us essentially the southwest below us there So you see those those properties there lots 14 15 16 and 17 on the adjacent property those Homes there are actually two and three story In that development and of course the easterly part of the site Is the Santa Rosa Creek trail with a with a bank that sort of rolls up on to this property? so you know We thought the the project kind of fell together well that the mini storage could have the highway 12 exposure and block some Of the traffic the city well site was in the back corner. We'd be able to Develop along the the creek trail, which is a really nice spot for the tenants and then we'd be able to to put a building up against what's already a Residential and actually at a lower scale than what's already there in terms of residential so We ended up with two buildings One that has six units is the one at the at the south there against a residential kind of fairly traditional Townhouse style attached garages Again trying to focus the living areas in the master bedroom to the to the south and away from the the mini storage The other building is three stories With the middle level of the three is at the level of the street So you enter that level and then you go down one floor to the bedroom level of those units So they're essentially town homestyle, but in reverse going down with attached garages and Then from the street level you would take us entry stair up to the third floor Which has four one-bedroom units? Which are the units that are using those carports that are up against the southerly corner of the the mini storage building and Project has a nice mix of units because I believe it's got Four one bedrooms five two bedrooms and five three bedrooms So it's just kind of covering all the the bases in terms of necessary housing As long as I can see him So here's the the plan for the the six unit building the one to the south against the Existing residential again. These are the Three-story units other than that that one on the the left kind of at the sweep of the street is a is a two-bedroom unit and this is the lower two levels of the Three-story building that's back by the Creek walk These are Two bedroom units that are coming in from the street and then dropping down to that lower level Again sort of have the The street level with the garages and it's got the Dining-in kitchen kind of back with a deck overlooking the Overlooking the creek and the ground floor or the lower level to the Creek walk level has the the bedrooms and a door going out onto the patio there and Then the third floor is the one-bedroom units and again they also have a deck facing out to the To the southeast on to the the Creek walk When Reid came to me he showed me some examples of some some projects that he liked and the the project he is like tended to have fairly traditional Shapes and roof profiles and sort of having you know Gables and reflecting what most people look at as a as a house form But they were also fairly contemporary. I had you know metal siding tended to be fairly monochrome And so when we got to working together on this this was the Was a result so there this is the the six unit building Looking at having Hardy laps Mitch's board horizontal siding mixed with some Hardy panels and Vertical Metal siding so the vertical metal siding sort of picks up a little bit on the contemporary nature that Reid wanted and also picks up on the materials that are being used in the mini storage and Some of the the colors are picking up in the mini storage. Also, we ended up going with a kind of a white and a charcoal gray Very two-tone two-tone look steel railings metal mesh infill on the balcony rails The three-story building that's back overlooking the creek the lower Image on the lower left is is the the street level With the the entries garages the bay windows popping out at the and then At the top of the sheet is the three-story elevation back at the creek where portions of it to Step back go into the two large gable forms which are recessed back into the decks that overlook the the creek and again the the mix of the materials with the the dark ribbed metal siding and then the the white horizontal lap siding and On the right sides you can see the end in Delevations to show the slope running down and the step coming back off the creek and going out onto the street level and there's just some sections through Buildings and there's the the three-story building You can see on the upper left kind of stepping back on to the creek and in going up and The one below that shows the the recesses with the decks coming back So it's kind of two steps heading back to the the gable And our landscape plan and we're certainly open. I know Adam had a comment about the trees if there are suggestions on Modifying because they did to do a lot of live oak replacement in the live oaks and a lot of shrubs and ground covers are being planted on the bank going down to the Creek walk both as a kind of as a buffer for the residents and and as a buffer for the people walking on the trail And there's some examples of those and there's our Materials board again. You can see the the red metal siding the the horizontal Hardy plank We'll have the Hardy panels This part of it mainly on those bay projections Fairly contemporary lighting fairly contemporary colors And I think that probably explains it. I'm just kind of ready for your comments Great. Thank you, Randy At this time, I would like to open up to public comment this item item 6.1 Any members of the public wishing to speak on the item before us? Seeing no one approach the microphone. I will close public comment and bring it back to the board Let's start out with questions for the applicant and then we'll circle through and go with comments thereafter true Are the housing units modular? No, okay, it just I mean you've got a lot of kind of double walls and stuff. That's why I was asking if they're You know kind of slide and push and pull modulars, so I was curious about that And then the so these are like Mill guard windows or something you're planning like vinyl mill guards or something. Yeah, probably we haven't selected the manufacturer Yeah, but yeah, something like that. Okay, so right now. Yes, my question on that is So did you in terms of the sizing of the glazing? Did you have like a basis of design or anything? Or did you just kind of? Hey, this looks good Yeah, yeah, it was more of a an aesthetic design in terms of the elevations cool Those are my questions Great. Thank you drew Henry questions for the applicant No questions Thank you, Henry Warren questions for the applicant. Yeah, you ready? I just had a quick question the I know that the I Think it's dr32 and yes the one you have here On the previous sheet where you're facing Southwest there was a question So it's one it's one back on this presentation yeah, I can see you've got you've got your living rooms in your bedrooms and You have a You have in the dark in the charcoal, I think that's a that's where the metal siding is wrapping around. Yeah, right the It appears that there are I'm going to square this right. There's kind of an overhang. It's kind of a bay window and then the big white ones Facing south. I was curious about exploring the Whether there's going to be an awning over those windows. Some of them have transoms at the far end You've got a ceiling volume at the extreme ends in the middle section there You've got maybe that's a one-bedroom, but you've got a flying half-gable with a transom look, right? And I don't know if you were exploring that same volume with that same transom window could be in the in the middle sections Or whether you weren't going to explore that room cavity volume It's it's the white gables there and you've got lower windows there. You've got transoms on the extreme ends So it was just just a question. I'm just exploring Yeah, I can certainly read and I can certainly look at that. Yeah, right now. I had kind of scissor trusses on those two end units and the windows on the end and standard trusses on the middle units, but Yeah, we could look at Look at doing that and adding that volume into the units Thanks Warren Adam questions for the applicant Yes one which I had just closed the file but It was a technology Regarding the lighting plan I noticed there wasn't Lighting on the stairways on either side of the Units 7 through 14 near the creek I'm on the East and West side and they're just wondering the rationale behind not lighting those The staircases that are going down to the creek. I'm sure they'll end up being lights there. Okay It's a pretty thorough lighting plan except I sort of saw that as kind of a an omission that uh, you know Yeah, I know I think that's uh both people coming up from the creek and for safety of the residents Trash enclosure is right light going to the trash enclosure if they're doing that at night. So Okay, so I just wondered if there was a specific rationale that that's my question. Thanks Thanks Adam Eric questions Yeah, can we go to the the storage Unit on the northeast side so the side that runs parallel to highway 12 So there's been some changes in the the presentations from a few days ago, you know from last week to this week So when I zoom in it's hard to see the details. So I'm looking for Some additional information so it looks like from the northeast corner to the northwest corner the far The two far corners is a hundred and forty feet hundred and sixty feet for the overall length Off a memory. I'm not sure. It's that sounds probably about accurate Or somewhere in that ballpark, I guess because when I zoom in I can't see that the figures You're you're referencing the one that's facing the faces highway 12, right, which is not this I guess that is Yeah, that's that one. It's the bottom image that you see there and then It's while we look for that I Think I think Susie is looking for it. She may have a clear copy So there was it from when I reviewed it last week to today there was some supplements To the material today. So it looks like now. There's a change in material in color But colors never come out well in our an ripat presentation. So can you walk me through? What the material changes are and what the color changes are on that side of the building? Yeah, it's gray and it looks lavender on my ipad Only during the spring is it If you have a pointer you can point it on this screen up here you can take us through it So unfortunately, I can't zoom in on it, but I can actually Anticipated this question may come up. So where this this is right here This is the horizontal metal Sorry, I'm I'm looking off of my own screen, right? So horizontal metal and that's the charcoal this is stucco Exterior stucco stucco This is the vertical what colors the stucco. Oh shoot Let's see. I'm gonna work off of a computer. I mean in from what I can read it looks like it's gray it's kind of um, let's Let me see if I have it on the very last page here the color board Exterior stucco is stucco is called an omega flex fine adrenaline and It is yes Number five here that you see so it's more of a white kind of um, okay, I know it's probably some fancy name for white Okay Actually, I guess everything that you can see is right there. So The vertical is So the vertical metal the vertical metal. Yeah, is what color? That's gonna be a lighter. It's not charcoal, but it's a lighter gray The wind's brain number four. Yes For some reason that one's not yes. I'm sorry that is number four. Yep And then as we're just continuing to work our way to my left here Yeah, that's much clear that picture is much clearer than what I can see so I apologize for that. I know every screen is different Let me see if I can get to that. So the yeah, essentially the ends the Horizontal metal match each other and then the the vertical metals match as well And then can you explain the up lighting and down lighting on that wall for me whatever that? Probably not in like the best way possible, but once again, this was for me This is the most important view for us as well as you This being the city and so this is where we really tried to focus this And so this is where I had multiple opinions from different architects way in on this Where we tried to do the breakup at the end of the day we need to Here to the lighting plan we want to be able to show people. Hey, this is a storage facility, but at the same time I'm a big I'm a bit of a hippie right and so I have an issue with kind of the the night skies Concerned and so I there was something that I had I communicated to both architects Let's try to be sure that this thing's not looking like a car lot so hopefully we when we did the Photometrics that they took that into consideration Okay, so is that wall illuminated at night then Whether it's car light bright or a different to be honest. I don't know that detail off of memory The changing subjects Moving over to where the trash enclosures are and the city emergency will so the trash enclosures that covered it didn't The example that's provided in the plans doesn't show it is covered I don't know Randy. Do you know if the trash and closure is covered code requires that it be covered? It'll be covered. Well, then yeah, it's covered Thank you And the emergency the city emergency well, where's the access point for that the vehicle access point? Is it it's off the path? Is that correct? There's also an access easement at the top of the at the top of the hill They will access most likely off the path. He's correct. I just didn't see the the access points. I wasn't sure The actual site the well site has not been designed yet So we've got the easement. We've got the easement, but the city will design the the actual well site But a lot of the design was based off of where the city wanted the well because they wanted they asked They wanted to be able to access it from multiple points Thank you. Hey Eric. I Might be able to answer the light question just by looking at the light plan So the three lighting fixtures that are on the light plan two of them are wall packs So light fixture a and b are both other hundred percent down light So they're shooting everything down and then item light see is a decorative Updown light it appears so To answer your question the storage facility has only a and B's on it so everything's down and Then it's the residential units have the C's which are the decorative up-downs. Is that right? To be honest, I wish I could tell you I don't know. I'm getting a yes from Randy. So I think that's Does that help you out Eric? Yes, thank you appreciate it That was that's all the questions I have Thanks Eric I had a question on the fencing So it looked like there was two different fencing that are going to happen one is that the Residential units that face the creek trail and then is there a secondary fence kind of an anticlimb wire fence that runs along the trail So the primary fencing I don't believe we have a second layer of fencing But the main one is a six-foot hog wire fence and we did that for multiple reasons one the adjacent property Or I'm sorry the property to the east has the exact same hog wire fence and so for human uniformity We kind of went with that but more importantly I from a static standpoint I think it looks really good and then Susie and I actually walked the site together And one of the primary goals was to get eyes on the creek and so we didn't want to put you know a wood or a What I'm blanking on the name of what the plastic fences are called But yeah, so that was what why we did desire to go with that and the fence location is In proximity to the trail It follows the trail or is it back up Further into the property. It's only a few feet from the trail It's when you get out and you do the site visit from the backside of that property It's it's closer than it looks from an aerial or on the site plan. It's it's almost deceiving So I would say what maybe 20 feet 15 feet and it kind of it Runs follows. Yeah The path of the trail because our property actually goes to the other side of the trail Okay, thank you And then just a constructability question from the site as a whole so you've got three different buildings Do you envision doing them all at once or in phases? What's the game plan there? So we're gonna obviously do the site all at one time and then probably the the storage facility and the six units We'll start simultaneously And then ideally the back eight so okay, great Those are my questions So at this point in time, I think we'd look to motion. I think we'll take them one at a time so Wherever we want to start if we want to start with the self-storage and we can certainly do that or if we want to Yeah, I was actually gonna residential so I was just gonna take the lead on that one if that's cool great so I move to grant preliminary design review to a four-story 124,000 square foot self storage facility part of the recess self-stored mixed-use project Located at 42 24 Sonoma Sonoma Highway file number PRJ 18-05 0 wave reading of the text And can you confirm on that resolution that it on the fourth whereas that it says self storage facility? It is it does in fact say self storage So we don't need to amend that one. We'll leave that one alone. Yeah So I've got a motion on the table there a second a Second for me with the understanding of friendly amendments Correct. That's where we're headed. Okay, so we've got motion a second and we will head into Comments from the board and friendly amendments to the motion so drew your backup So Good-looking storage facility there's Not a lot you can do with a box But I think you guys have done a good job My only comment would I think tie on to what Eric was kind of saying in looking at Kind of the light layout on both the photometrics and then also the elevations It would appear to me That there's primarily down lighting just for security purposes And I think maybe what Eric was getting at is is there's some sort of architectural lighting that may exist on perhaps the highway 12 side Is that correct am I reading you correctly here? Not exactly Okay, but I actually think so maybe some architectural lighting would be Appropriate on the highway 12 side. There's that other storage facility. That's like three properties down That has some actually very nice architectural lighting on the front But other than that, I like the colors. They're kind of funky and cool and modern The overall massing is good for me and the landscaping I think to screen the storage facility from the housing is appropriate And I would not want to grant final today just me personally just because I there's a couple of things missing Civil plan grading plan that kind of thing, but that's something that we can trust staff to work out So those are my comments on the storage to late. Thanks Henry I didn't get to see it the first time around so I'm gonna I'm gonna Ask that the comments go to the rest of the members and come back to me. That's okay You got it. No problem. Thank you Warren Thank you, and I know Reading Randy. There's there's been a lot of work a lot of mileage and I I appreciate that Having some long history here. There are a lot of very wonderful things that happened in the site planning Henry since you weren't here this whole layering between a mini the the storage facility the residential and How to have EVA and trucks and fire in a new well to the city all work? It's a lot of moving parts and we we worked out this island to layer things the stream side that was Invented many years ago that one time there was a master plan to try to take the road all the way down to the car wash that's at the mission and Over time, you know lots were appropriated, but I I think the stream side residents They're not even maybe there's one couple here, but it's it's a happy thing to have that buffering and thank you for the housing My friendly amendment since I brought one up is as we look at the the large building The storage building it's right in a property line facing the The hardware store so all the CMU is there for fire protection and life safety and all that in case a hardware store burns down or So if it's burned down As we swing around to the highway 12 elevation if you can put that up a minute Yeah, it's yeah Yeah, okay, it's on the bottom. Yeah That's stream so that's where you have the finger Yeah, one of the interesting yeah the bottom I'm just gonna comment on the bottom one it is Said just historically we have the March of the mini storage along highway 12 and The the first one built storage pro it has a narrow profile. This is a wider profile And I and I really compliment that there is a lot of work in in plan to articulate One of the curiosities I had I I think this is pretty harmless, but hopefully Something that is invigorating It'll take a while for the coast oak to grow. It's it's a big building And if you look at the cheek these kind of off-white cheeks that are On either side of the dark center line One of them is a stairwell and you've put windows populating one side of that stairwell and that's fine I was thinking about a steel trellis imagine it's standing off maybe two feet from the building And if it's if you look at the fenestration of the charcoal where it says extra space Imagine on that big white cheek There could be um, maybe it's it's 12 inch Thick by 10 inch thick steel trellis and it goes up to be maybe even the height of the header of the top windows And it's it's fundamentally here. I'll I'll just Sometimes it doesn't show and right here. But yeah, here we are So you've got the cmu the cmu block is happily saving lives here It's dropped down here because it's not needing to be light saving next to a public right away someday the the big oak trees will grow but The the line of this window head if over here if we had maybe it's Four columns and you had this same fenestration going across but what could happen is whether it's Some kind of vine I actually grow kiwi in my house You could have all the people eat kiwi off off of it if you wanted to but And and Adam's loving that but but this whole thing I I drive by I would 12 every morning and going back but somehow to articulate Something kind of lively. It doesn't fight with sofa space. I'm not actually asking you to To penetrate any of your your walls And all these fire doors or the exit doors work, but just think of something there That becomes a a matrix box that the plants can grow on its green same color green is extra space if you're going to use green um The other very simple thing is when you're looking at sighting. It was kind of a light Gray sometimes we call it dover gray that you had in box four What I love about this rendering what's wonderful about this It's kind of like a chocolate color and it's kind of striated. It was just some of the rendering You could actually have um different bacon strips of the light dover gray and maybe kind of a mocha Charcoal gray. So this is all fun. This is not even a cost thing, right? But you could dance around with two different bacon colors And and maybe just have them you're doing kind of a a computer card This is the old ibm card that that actually is someone's Social security number there It's top secret. Yeah, is that your social security? Okay But but if we could if we could get playful with these cheeks and have kind of a chocolate gray and the lighter gray And look at that trellis idea as people drive up and down it in in some ways It's it says I want to store my sofa there. That's a better looking place. So So Okay And I know it'll take a while for the trees to grow and randy my comment It wasn't it was a consider rather than shallow but on It's really cool architecture. You've done some some of your really great work there on the housing So I know we have to do a separate resolution. I'll have to shut up because this is legally a partition This is a firewalled conversation. Is that true? So i'm going to apologize Turn the time to those who have greater clarity. Thank you Good eric bill. I thought you said we can talk about it In Is a total project, but when we Votes, you know, but we have three different voting Three items to vote on Yeah, you can do it a variety of ways So you could have had the discussion in general about the project as a in total And then done a motion and gone through the resolutions one by one right at the end Considering all of your comments you can put one on the floor as you've done to start the conversation I think that a lot of the comments are going to Kind of blend over into all facets of this project And then you can just quickly go through the resolutions if you like or you can just do one at a time separately So it's really up to the board I think we can do them one at a time And and if you want to reference another piece of the project while we're talking about one or the other is just You know kind of bring it into why it affects or why it has an impact on what you're talking about in the current resolution That's how I think that we could do it if that works For your comments If it doesn't work, then we'll do the different Comments to be Impaired or curtailed thinking That you couldn't do that. No, no, sure. I think that it you know all's fair in making comments as globally Because we've got a motion on the table with this resolution Let's just have whatever comments they are and how they impact this And what we might do to mitigate that Any other comments Warren I believe that said I just I wanted to Comment I really love the back elevation. No one will ever see that But oftentimes when architects and developers work over and over the the back elevation becomes this wonderful discovery And I want to compliment. It's a wonderful looking elevation Great, thank you Warren adam Great, thanks, and uh, yeah, thanks for the both presentations all three presentations actually they're all It's a great package and I really appreciated all of the correspondence your responsiveness to Neighbors into the packet to the package as a whole city. That was great. And you guys Yeah, this has been a long road and you've Been doing some good good work on it and it shows Yes, um I was uh My first comment was going to be about um similar to what Warren was talking about with with softening that that that Highway 12 Frontage there and I think the trellis idea is is great. I was also thinking of some vines Somehow because it is going to be it's a pretty tall building And so the trees that are planted that I'm glad that you're you're going with With 36 inch box trees to get big ones to to kind of get a head start But they're still going to be pretty shady And so I think having something that is will be vertical to Get that sort of big massive block some buffering will be good. I was thinking um Mainly when I was going to comment on it was on the northeastern side by the Ace hardware because it's going to be a big tall bright wall for them with all that that um The the split face Blocks and so and with knowing how the the exposure on that is it's going to reflect a lot It's going to be very bright for them, which um is it's not necessarily a bad thing They have trees there now and you know, they're not the nicest trees in the world But since you're going to be right on the edge of there I think taking some of that language of the trellises if you go with something like that Bring it around that side And just in and that's more um because Uh There are trees in that parking lot along the highway 12. I'm thinking on their side There there are trees there, but you know people are looking and turning in and seeing that that whole sort of edifice that you've got It's going to be this big long wall And so to have something that Gives it either a little bit of color a little bit more texture a little variation I think it could be a really big asset and um be going towards the the good neighbor side of things That other storage facility that's going to be three properties down You know ace arbor is kind of sandwiched in between them now. They're going to have big facilities on either side And so having something you know, it could be an opportunity. Um, it you know, potentially even some partnership there, you know, it's You know that right there, you know, I you you could think creatively Of course within within bounds, but you know even thinking with the the city of looking at murals or something like that You know, it's this big canvas and that could be you know, so yeah, go ahead I'm just I would totally be in support of a mural that would be beneficial of the city Sure If that's something that the city's intrigued with or I personally really like the ideas of the vines as well Yeah, and it could be a series, you know to kind of break them up But it's it's think of it as kind of like a canvas, you know Like like Warren mentioned that that back elevation it's like use the back side for something that's good and you know you talk about um Thinking about you know night skies and things like there's there are ways to sort of use these things as an asset that um Uh could potentially be you know be part of the like upping that community feel like you want this to be not just A big box storage boom. You're just plopping there. It's like hey, this is a great opportunity. You know, there's You know potentially. Yeah, schools would be into that, you know art art quests something like that. There's There's opportunities, you know and the city has the public art program that you know could be something there Maybe ace hardware wants to do something historically, you know with industry. So just thinking creatively about that It's sort of it's like taking what you've gotten boom moving it to the next step because you've got a really nice facility planned And uh, yeah, I think that the vertical screening with with fines could be really great as well um With the so kind of limiting um ideas to the storage facility Well, they're all a little bit blended together. I think with the lighting plan um, you have all of the the a's and b's on um the storage facility and then the c's fixtures the c fixtures on all of the uh The housing I think having some of that um that up lighting, you know strategically on the Storage facility could be nice like you're using you know, you've got that split face block you use that throw some light on it That's not you know shooting a spotlight up. So like you're talking about the night skies. I'm definitely with you on that um To not really like blind everybody and that's around but to highlight some of the texture on the wall Like so use what you've got that's utility utilitarian, but use as an asset. Um, I do I think that the uh um, yeah the punch card computer And that's pretty nice And that that's a very simple thing that you've done and you talked to that Seattle architect to bring some of that that variation in there and then highlight some of it. So um and so I think mixing the uh up lighting from the residential onto the uh The public storage could be great and then I think bringing some of that down lighting Over to the residential because on the residential you've got just all those double shooting I know with you know your bedroom window you're really going to want to have up lighting outside of that Have more of like the targeted down lighting and you know with these nice private backyards You've got you got a private um backyard on the creek there It could be really great to sit out there at night and it's dark away from things You've got a little bit of down lighting around you, but you've got stars And you know so So I think bringing some of it so mix and match a little bit rather than all up lighting bring some of the down lighting over uh with the Uh, I mentioned the landscaping along 12. That's nice to bring those Trees the larger trees I think the coast live oaks are going to be nice there because they they can grow almost Column early if they're you know pruned also this they do want to spread But um, you've got them. So it'll be nice I do think that um, one of my thoughts with the uh, um tree mitigation Where you have um the The island in in the sort of parking lot entrance area for the storage in between there in the houses Uh, now you're thinking of it as just sort of a screening at least of the the plan that you've got Is just sort of the you know nice line of trees coming up and you're blocking the views from housing to the storage facility I could think actually adding in you know, um Some of kind of what uh our public member before he was talking about with thinking of the the green infrastructure I could see that as a place where you're bringing in Some of those valley oaks that are around And having something that will grow up and have a larger canopy thinking of heat island effect So you're mitigating some of the the large areas of pavement and so you have a mix of Of lower trees and then maybe just one or two of the larger trees that can provide some nice canopy that provides many benefits of heat island Blocking views, you know, you have mid-level and then high-level and it can grow up and over as well And so I mean and that's you know in that That uh that long traffic island, you know, I could see Actually can you pull up the landscape plan? Um, is Susie by any chance I think that might been on the other presentation Susie is it possible to pull up the your presentation? Oh Yeah, just the the landscape. Um, sorry plan. That's okay. The landscape Okay Well, I can continue with that so with with um because there aren't a lot of the uh the valley oaks on site Um, you know, we're not, you know, you're you've got primarily the coast live oak, but say Even just thinking, you know, three Valley oaks Pulling them out. Um, and that could be, you know, since we don't have the landscape plan here, you know Something like this it could be like one here at the entrance or in this area But one here could be good because then you could you're gonna kind of spread and provide a little context there This you've got six trees six One it's an even number and you know, I was always taught in design school that even numbers, you know I was a little too balanced You want to have the odd number to the you know the rule of threes where you get a little It's more visually interesting Um, there's that but then also, you know, you've got maybe you could just have You know two of the of those trees there with one in the center or like anchoring this end here with one of the Valley oaks, which then you know, you've got Short-term you've got, you know, there's larger those mid-level trees here and then the valley oak eventually is going to grow Hopefully in an ideal world and and get this big beautiful Structural and provide a courtyard there, which could be really nice So something like that so one two and then maybe one here Which will cover up this area too and provide something where you get that nice little rhythm going through your site So that's one way to think creatively about The trees and what you can do that, you know Yeah, when I saw that it was kind of the whole sales and let's do coast live oak everywhere I do love coast live oak, but it can get a little monotonous as well, so Just something to think that and I'll have some more thoughts on the residential area. Thank you Thank you adam eric Thank you. I appreciate you bringing the project and especially a mixed-use project including multi-family residences and um We're obviously going to comment on those later and and I think those are great The uh, I agree with a lot of what Warren stated in regards to still working on mixing up that northeast wall that parallels highway 12 Warns a lot more articulate than I am but the white cheek walls or stucco walls Or building a structure there in front of it allowing for some greenscape to help cover that I'm very familiar with the area. I travel it every day and along with thousands of other sonoma county residents When you look at storage pro and warren had alluded to this The profile is smaller along the street, but it's all glazed in Looks more commercial My impression of this project along Sonoma highway is that it looks a lot more industrial Almost custodial is in like a jail rather than having an appealing commercial view I think the That tower with that you've developed with the glazing with a lot of the windows in at the main entrance on the Northwest side is very attractive I like that But in regards to continuing east along that wall Especially as large In regards to height and length That's that's a lot of ground to cover that needs more than just a couple mixed Mixed materials It definitely needs either something built in front of it was which was a great idea or even maybe putting a A A glass wall in front of it that doesn't impact those storage units that are behind it You know clearly there's a property line issue in setbacks, but it It needs I definitely need It needs to come from an industrial look down to more of a commercial look you know reviewing the staff report and looking at Even the general plan You know it shows requires building sound walls and other structures highly visible from highway 101 Joining neighborhoods be designed to enhance and improve The scenic character. I don't think this building matches that general plan requirement It doesn't add to the scenic nature Highway 12 needs a lot of work. Don't get me wrong in that section of roadway and in exists Especially with the existing building and landscaping that's there. It needs a lot of work But we've just approved another store just six months ago approved another storage unit multi multi use Project where housing is going to go in front along highway 12 With the storage unit in back. I think it's an extension of storage pro And Again, that was an attractive design You have a lot of homes in the area. It's it's tough. You have both commercial and residential. You have stream side Those are some tall buildings. Those are three. I think those are three story residences So I appreciate the the residences that you're building that I think Are similar But when you look at this commercial structure, it's just not 140 160 foot wall it doesn't it doesn't seem to blend In when you look at infill development Integrate new development carefully into existing neighborhoods with respect to scale Level of detailing use of materials landscaping and other characters of the neighborhood I don't think we're there. I just don't It doesn't match It does match the neighborhood doesn't improve it. We're certainly looking for improvements in that neighborhood. I agree And I appreciate it and and I think the residences certainly help a lot and I think having that project there with it And again, I'm not I'm not an architect Warren certainly and my fellow Board members have much better ideas in regards to maybe how to soften that and I'm sure your team and your hired professionals do I just I don't see it and in regards to this particular for the For for this motion for this part. I can't support it, but I can't I can't support the the other the other The other men not the amendments the sorry For the residential parts But not this part yet. I think it needs more work Thank you, Eric Henry are you ready? Ready as I'll ever be following Eric's comments I uh I like the project. I think it's I think it's well designed. I I think uh From from listening to Warren and and adam it's it's you listen to what was said at concept review and come back with a good project and Uh, I uh if if you could go to the neighborhood context plan for second sharing Actually while you're there Never mind Visual or what exhibit do you want to see? the neighborhood context map An aerial show in where this area is. I just want to point out the the neighbor to the east which is It's hardware obviously, but that one that one will that do it that'll do it Um, I'm probably less Um, I'm probably more okay with the current design as is because of what it abuts to the east side, which is Which is a parking lot? Uh It and it's a commercial parking lot. Uh, I think the visual impact for me is Is going to be and my comments are going to be more along the lines of supporting a friendly amendment that that Warren's headed towards but what we see along highway 12 Probably makes a bigger difference in the grand scheme of things for the for the overall design that that uh, We're we're we're trying to get to approvals that um And I while you were there That that set back on the east property line is Zero So so that allows for You know some someday, you know, maybe maybe ace hardware decides to change their building and they want to but about the building So that that wall in theory could go away in the future so um And it sounds like you made some changes you added a um a playful element with the The darker colored CMU unit and I and I think it's I think it's actually kind of fun. I I'd like to look at it Now could you go to the the highway 12 elevation? Perfect. Yeah, no Yeah, this one I I like I like uh, Warren's description of bacon as as a layering of materials here And I had to think about it a second like I do with a lot of comments that come from Uh Warren suggested too, I'd like to suggest three three baking Uh pieces to it and and I I love the green color that you've got on the doors and It not a lot of not a lot of that green in that bacon But just a little teeny bit to add some color. I think would would give this element some liveliness to it Um, and I and I do it on both of them, but but I think that playful movement of At least two maybe three and and my idea would be to do the do the green if I if I had some support on that but At least two Yeah 15 percent And then and then I you know the trellis the trellis thing with uh getting some vines growing on it quicker I think that is is worth taking a look at and I think that's I think that's the comments I have for tonight on this That's some bold comments. You like those bold colors I think we told you to get rid of them last time. So here we are full circle So I I too Am supportive of the project. Um, I think you've done a great deal since the last time you're here and in solving some of the highway 12 challenges In the gateway in a scenic corridor And I think that you know some of these uh suggestions that we've had We'll do the trick so The only thing I think we can kind of go into kind of Narrowing down what's a shall and to consider here? And then give you some a little bit more finite direction So I think that that's where we'll head With this next step So I'm just going to read through what I had from the board as Potential friendly amendments and then let's talk about whether they're shall or consider and what what I mean by shall or consider is If we say shall then You know, it's going to be a condition of the project if we say consider is just hey, you know This might be a great idea. Maybe it doesn't fit within the profile of the project Please give it some thought and and decide whether it's right for for you and your programming um, so drew I had uh consider architectural lighting on highway 12 frontage All right Warren I'm thinking this is probably a shall And then we just need to figure out how to phrase it Shall add steel trellises at exterior stucco on highway 12 frontage With vines and greenscape climbing vines and greenscape to soften the frontage so that Do we want to You know suggest how much coverage We're looking for or do we want to I actually have a thought on that. Sure. Please share. I think it's If i'm hearing eric right And i'm hearing more and right I think there's two things that have to happen In the large expanse of stucco if you will If i'm hearing eric correctly, it feels very industrial. It's very blank. It's very You know What can we do with that and eric i think was suggesting some addition of windows is what it sounds like so i was looking at the floor plan and Essentially in the place where it would make sense to add windows There's a large storage unit So we would have to ask the applicant if they were willing to create a corridor or something In there to allow for a window. I think that's kind of item number one, right? How do we get those windows in there and what pattern That works with the the layout of the interior of the storage facility? And I think question two is if we land on windows How do we integrate the trellis idea from more and does that make sense? I think we got to have one before the other Before we we land on one. I'd take a real quick straw pool on who's dead set on windows because i'm not I mean the functionality of the Storage facility is functionality a storage facility and in my view. I looked at the same floor plans and didn't see Any way to disrupt it other than disruptive for absolutely no reason other than to put a window in it and it kind of seems And I think that's why I pose the question. I think yeah I think that's why i'm trying to point that out like hey Do we really want the windows if not then we proceed then we go to trellis correct? Yes, exactly Henry any desire to Can I ask it the applicant a couple Questions one would be What would be the applicants press preference if we're looking to make some of those modifications and then Second is it's more of a business question is Are your colors regulated by any? Corporate rules is it a franchise etc? So to answer your first question, what is my preference? personally, I really like the idea of the trellis and the vines and I kind of pushed for that a little bit with my design team and then the issue of maintenance came up Obviously not from this area So i'm not quite sure how fast vines grow or really how much maintenance there is in my opinion There would probably be relatively little and so I would be more of a fan of that once again I think it's just More of the the greenscape per se even as the gentleman who first mentioned I like the idea of softening it more with a natural Color and then to answer your second question. Yes, my colors are extra spaces the largest third party manager in the world And I have no say with their colors so Good question Good thought So are you okay with going with like a vine trellis situation as opposed to trying to explore some sort of Window fenestration or glazing? Yeah, my my personal preference is glazing but the goal is To to get us to a project that everybody can accept. So yes Sorry, adam. Did you have a comment? Yes I there there's the question of maintenance and making trellises and vines look good and maintenance It is a it is north facing. It is northwestern facing So it's going to get some exposure, but that was that the the relative health of the Of the Northwest, yeah, I believe yeah, um the The relative health of those vines and making them grow well and not look spindly Who takes some careful thought about which species to go with it's definitely a possibility And I do like the idea of a trellis. I've done me wrong on that when I did mention some kind of either artwork or Partnering with the city on some sort of mural or something like that I one other thought I was thinking as we're you know If a number of people have brought up that people drive this all the time This could be one of those facilities where you know or buildings where you drive past and You're a kid growing up and you remember that building that has the you know The painting on the side there or that color or something or it has these beautiful vines that are going up there something It's beautiful different and softened so I would say for my preference Would not be to specify in with a shell saying steel trellis but to And I don't know how to phrase it but to explore options for Softening that wall be it trellis be it if you look into something you'd find some great partnership opportunity Maybe it's just going to turn into a mess and it's a big headache to it's just not Going to work to do any sort of mirrorling and art You know that that's it's an own complicated thing. I know you've got a timeline but uh I think locking them into steel trellising um could be um at least for me Hand cuffing a little bit so Quick comment, please Because of the height one of the things about maintenance is you get up above ladder height two story The reason steel was a consideration. Maybe you flange rather than square because it has a greater shadow line Is that the storage of it was uh the maintenance if it was like powder coated there is no maintenance And it's it has this kind of a contemporary tone to it And um, I don't want to Roll into the into the the plant world too much But I I do have kiwi at home and basically they the vines Get tall and they can go up seven stories 12 stories And I don't even mind it when they lose their leaves, but there's some really great vines out there That bring biology into the picture the organic Contrast of powder coat and having these vines with the colors specified by the industrial corporate magnate Those two things together. You know, yeah, and I think you actually could be a really nice Blending a blending of the two of having Vine coming up in a beautiful kind of sculptural Screening element too the shadow lines and all all this kind of thing play when you drive by it's never the same You know, so it's like it's actually growing together both, you know You've got the sculptural and the the powder coating coming with the vines coming up, you know, and that will change seasonally too so um So I I think I've got a way to condition this based on what I'm hearing that's okay with you Shall The applicant shall provide two steel trellises at the northwest elevation to be located at the stucco walls And then you guys can do whatever design you want that makes it makes you feel good But that just leaves it up for you to do or whatever works or is saying two One at each or are we saying? Yeah one at each But not in front of the windows. Yeah, I hope that goes without saying Carefully said the center bacon strip piece is recessed these two white pieces There there are cheeks that come out there and they're in plain with the towers, but Yeah, I was thinking of the one mostly by the the large entrance but on the other side You could have it shift away from the windows But it's the the playful ideas that that these are these trellises are almost tree like they have It's not just two, but you have a count like so a soldier count And as you go up you have horizontals just kind of like I look at your window pattern there and so I know a lot of people are playing around with perforations screens and so forth I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking for the simple idea of Of a steel trellis that needs horizontals for stiffening and it helps ladder the plants And that to me is exciting And like eric I drive by this every day as well And i'm excited by the growth of the plants as a contrast with the the the contemporary boldness of the building If so, I just want to clarify for the applicant. Are you suggesting that? This section here the trellis would come up and might spider out at On the on the horizontal as well. So it goes vertical at some point and it may spider out at horizontal You can look at the finish excuse me if you look at the fenestration of the windows proper Drive those same lines over in like an off-white trellis And so and at the top the the trellis term is to the top of the header height So you've got one two three you got four horizontals And you've got in the verticals maybe at least four bays there maybe five But the idea is that now we have something of real Forte it's not timid. It's it's big like the building. So the building is now countered by something that is playful light catching and Helps to be a partner to such a large thing So If I can make a comment I I personally really like the idea of what you guys are mentioning now Bringing it to life. I'm not a hundred percent sure how I'm going to do it But I I think I can create something pretty cool and I'm kind of going out on on a limb here But I'm from originally from Reno and so I've been to burning man lots of time And so I know you guys aren't saying you want burning man art, but you're saying you want something that's kind of unique That involves some green space and kind of blended to the tune. I can Take a crack at that I'm not talking about fire the fire breathing dragons. Erica. So you're shaking your head there, man We're not going that direction, but well, it's made in petaluma. So no Famuels either so but I'm probably in the minority on that one Okay, I ranched up in washoe county. So I know a lot about Nevada, but One thing is let the plants the organic-ness of the plants how the plants grow That's your organic friend. That's like victor horté, which is you know, it's a whole the plants are your organic form The steel is doing its business as a a marching soldier And I I like that you're thinking creatively about it and I would I would encourage you to go with the That that instincts to go creative to go sculptural to you know, think artistically about it partner with artists Landscape architects are good at that stuff too. So yeah, you know living living sculpture almost With a framework skeleton okay All right The other thing that we've talked about in this same vein is Getting playful with the vertical color variation on the metal vertical siding on the highway 12 frontage Again, I've heard two I've heard three I'm wondering on the on the this is the bacon talking about the bacon And so the third color was the green bring the green in that was a henry comment So we can we can take some thoughts on that I'm wondering henry if they they just outlined it In the green and use the bacon as the Cap flashing I'm just thinking, you know, what do you do with the cap flashing? Oh just a just a silhouette I could almost pull up an image. I know Exactly what you're talking about. I've seen facilities that that have done that with the same color scheme So everybody enjoy that variation On the vertical side metal siding Okay Um adam I had you with uh Consider and again, this is on the side of the lumber yard. So we'll call it the north side The consider vines mural And then Warren and I were sitting here hashing out larger swaths of the darker CMU and possibly a difference in In texture between the the dark and the in the light. Um, so Maybe do you know, Warren was saying like, you know, an eight count of black and then a 10 count over here and a 12 count over here And just give it some more variation rather than the the smattering of of darker walk throughout So I think that's a consider Yeah, I think you're keeping it general consider thinking creatively about softening the north side or the elevation east side wall um And then adam you had consider strategic up and up down lighting on the project in general I I would like to see it be a Shell, um, you know, I would go with with, you know, the rest of the board would they think but of mixing and matching the up lighting and the down lighting, um between and this is getting between the Storage and the residential so not certain where to fit this in if it's now or later, but With this it would be you want it on the storage facility. Yeah, be incorporating the okay, so incorporating the Type c lighting up down lighting into the storage facility strategically as you see fit um, and then again, you can tell me if it's consider or shall but adding a few larger canopy potentially valley oak trees in the planting areas between the self storage and the six and a unit residential structures as anchors and providing larger canopy shade I'd like to see that as a shell okay The my only comment with that is I I I agree with you if we can do it, but for some reason i'm just going back off a memory with um The drainage that that was some of where the bioretention was so I don't I don't know if the trees were going to be able to support Uh, the drainage would be able to support large trees I'm I could be totally off base, but I if we can do bigger trees there I'm all for it, but for some reason if we can't because of support that would be the only reason um, yeah, I think so, uh, you're um, uh language on that scot again I just um you said shall so shall add a Few larger canopy Potentially valley oaks. I don't know if you want to specify valley oaks. I'd like to specify that. Okay, so add a few Larger canopy valley oak trees in the planting areas between the self storage and the six unit residential and It's at the trash enclosure and the unit residential is the only other planting space for an anchor tree there I believe do we need to specify those those exact locations because if we say Shall incorporate larger canopy trees to the landscaping that gives you a little bit of the flexibility of Location. Yeah, you can't you know, it's the drainage there. So okay, so we can allow all the flexibility we want Okie dokie So you're ready for it again whoever's going to make a friendly amendment. So I've got to uh No, I got drew on the hook for the motion and uh warren you're on the hook for the second And yes, I'm on the hook for the second and so the someone else would have to make the friendly amendment Excuse me. Do you want to have staff read back so we can I was going to read it through one more time and then We can have a friendly amendment to say yes Okay No do that after um So drew um, again, you can correct me Consider architectural lighting on the highway 12 frontage add A steel trellis at each of the exterior stucco Elevations on the highway 12 frontage with Vines that can grow to the heights of the trellises Um shall Get playful with the vertical color variation on the middle vertical siding on the highway 12 frontage Can we leave it that vague? um consider other creative variations On the lumberyard side elevation We've discussed several Ideas there so Consider it Shall integrate type c up down lighting at the self-storage building and then shall add Larger canopy valley oak trees in the planting areas as drainage allows Can you as the health of the tree allows can you read the up down one again, please? Shall incorporate up down lighting into the self-storage facility I would not accept that Just so you know because I think we've already addressed that with the consider architectural lighting Yeah, and I didn't catch that Drew's That captures it better than specifying. Okay, so we'll scratch it down the same It's getting to the point of just variations. So okay, so we'll change drew's number one. It says Shall incorporate Architectural lighting on the self-storage facility. No, I don't think it should be shy. I think it should be consider Are you okay with consider he was and the reason I say that is because it gives the applicant flexibility With the trellises the lighting etc. If the lighting doesn't work out because the trellises are the more primary option Then they can abandon the lighting if they so choose. Yeah, all right So we'll leave it as consider architectural lighting on the highway 12 frontage How staff doing over there with our staff doing pretty good Just would ask for one clarification on the term playful If we could maybe specify that a little more so we ensure that we incorporate exactly what the board is looking for Okay Shall incorporate more than one Vertical color on the middle siding At the highway 12 frontage and up to three With green being one of the colors at plus or minus 15 percent of the total space Random random is what I would replace playful with okay random Random that work So for clarification, we're gonna have up to three We're gonna have up to three different Three different colors on the north side. Yeah, so I think the idea is that there will be two primary colors, right? Kind of what they show and then as warren was saying maybe like a chocolate, you know mocha color something that Is complimentary and then there would be A random mess about the green which is the Branded color. I actually think I've got a better word Well, so hold on real quickly Good Does that meet branding guidelines for the franchise? I don't know but I think for the most part where I am essentially hamstrung on branding is specifically with signs and other key elements In my mind what the other two gentlemen are describing here, which is somewhat random and playful is going to be the The green and I like I said I've the architect who Help take the second look at this has designed that exact look that I think they're describing so Real quick guys if you look visually see where the the word extra spaces You see the stroke of the e and extra that subtlety of stroke Randomly placed here Amidst the others it's not loud. It's not a big four foot wide It's something just a a whisper of a shank the stroke of the letter staff Good with those friendly amendments you got them Yeah For clarification. We also have this meeting recorded. So I will go back and listen And applicant from what you heard you're okay with pursuing and and instituting some of these I am great. There's a great job. Uh, just draining the playfulness out of that scott Yeah, well, I actually think I have a better comment at random patchwork colors Because that's really what it's going to end up being because it's individualized Metal panels that will be a patchwork That's what he's looking for. Yeah, but it's really a patchwork that that'll give staff a little bit more direction with the actual context That's what I was looking for in patchwork my wife's a quilter. I know what you're talking about. Yeah Okay, we they got it So henry something about a friendly amendment You'd like to make one Instituting the items that I read off I'd like to make a friendly amendment that we Incorporate the items that you of Red and staff has has written into the future record Does the motioner accept the friendly amendment? I do And does the second accept the friendly amendment? I Okay, so uh patty can I have a roll call? Please okay wicks I Michael I Sharon I Goldstock May Hedgepeth Hi Kincai Hi Okay, now uh one down two to go Um Would be looking for a motion and a second on either of the two remaining resolutions Can I make a recommendation on this one? You certainly can so Uh, I was thinking that we would make the motion on the self storage facility because it's kind of Independent architecturally than the other two components and I thought that perhaps it would be prudent to make comments on both of these Together because they have such broad similarities And then do motions after those comments I think that's fine. Um, and then let's just be mindful on uh, if there are any variations to the comments that are specific to one or Thy other that we mark those off and that we can separate the friendly amendments so, um Comments have at it Okay So My question about the modularity had a point Randy, um, so if you go to the elevations Pick one it really doesn't matter Because I think the this particular comment is universal. Well, no, it's probably more geared towards the The residential unit one to six Guy That's not on the screen. So, okay, there we go perfect Okay, so the reason I asked about modularity is because I know When it comes to modular manufacturing, you're pretty stuck in terms of widths and things like that, right? so What I would personally like to see on this from a massing standpoint Uh, and I think it'll be more successful in terms of how it blends with the storage facility adjacent to it based on its size and then also the stream side apartments is that I'd like a little bit more height out of The the gray gables I think the max height is 55 feet per the zoning code. At least that's what I was looking at So right now it looks like there are about 30 and a half feet. So the gables I'll just point There we go Uh, I think these guys can can use some more height in them And then also I think they need to be skinnied up. They need to be thinner in width and taller in height To create a little bit more massing variation across the entire unit Does that make sense? Okay, um, I know that might be a challenge because I know that the staircase is kind of in there Right, there's a I think there's a staircase right there So At least I think there is but it's hard to tell Isn't it isn't it that guy? Yeah, it's right there. Okay, cool Yeah, yeah, I think bring it into the powder rooms where the powder rooms are but then obviously you got to find a spot for that I don't it may not work. It might be a I don't know. We'll see if anybody else feels strongly about it But it's but it's more the height. It's more the verticality. Yeah, I think it's more I think the verticality might actually fix the width component in all honesty um Because it just feels to me that it the the rhythm is It just feels a little too squatty. I think uh from the rhythm um Then I've got a I mean this the end gable shed thing It's it's kind of a curiosity to me I'm kind of curious where you landed on that where it came from Hey, it's just a form. I've been playing literally that and I just finished a project in Our owner park that I thought Turned out well that had a similar Similar shed roof end with with With the Yeah, yeah, okay. Uh, I just I don't know. I'm not I'm not like in love with it, but I can't really tell you why it's just something about it is is Bugging me a little bit. Um, the other thing is so if we if we're gonna take some verticality here Um, I'm worried about this area. You know what what happens there? It feels pretty big right now as it is in terms of just stark blank space So I'm wondering what what's the what's the answer there? I I kind of I mean the this uh Bump out window Is kind of nice and I think with the the recessed area underneath it. I think that There's a nice kind of a push pull happening there But I worry about this backside about what happens there Yeah, sort of like Warren's comment. I mean if we Scissor trust that Yeah, I don't I don't know what the answer some window and then make those spaces. I mean, it's a you know It's facing you out toward the south. Yeah, that could be nice. Yeah, that could be very nice And then the other thing, um, so from a window standpoint The reason I asked about the windows is um, so I'm assuming that these these guys are six foot eight windows Ish I'm sorry. They're higher. They're high doors. I'm sorry the doors are six foot eight Yeah, but the doors are six eight windows are higher. Yeah, so I think I like the height of the window But not I think the door you should pull the door up to match the window I think that'd be really nice to kind of re-emphasize that kind of layering especially if we kind of pull the building um a little bit Maybe it's a clear and maybe it's a little transom window or maybe it's actually just a taller door Or canopy or something. I don't know Here. Yeah, but there's There's some room to adjust it. I think one way or the other either bring the windows down or bring the Door the doors up. I think one of the two um and then um This this shed component here Uh, I don't think there's just died on me So the shed component on the northwest elevation, um, I think it would be more successful Without the kind of belt trim So that guy right there, right? It would match kind of the the the language you have going on elsewhere It's just that that that kind of suspender belt trim feels out of place there and then uh on the next one the the eight unit So the next page Sorry So I think the same thing Bringing that up a little bit Same deal. I think and then this is a much more kind of More formal elevation, I guess from the other one Um, but I think the same comments still apply Uh, and then kind of that piece over there. Although I'm not is that trim or is that actually like a deck? Or is that you're looking at? No, I believe that's just a Continuation of the sun shade. Yeah. Oh, maybe it's a sunshine. Yeah, okay. I guess that'd be okay If it's if it's a functional element, I'm I'm more inclined to let you know if it it's just like an applied thing I think it doesn't make sense But if it's that sunshade component, then I'd probably be okay And then the only other can't I gotta go back to the landscape plane Um, and then the only other thing I think I would echo what adam was saying about the The eight unit that's against the creek The uh the lighting along the two sides where the two stairs go down I think that needs to be addressed and then Obviously figure out some Lighting components on that backside against the creek kind of like he alluded to with Maybe it's just downlight. Maybe it's just this to provide a more kind of Connect with nature backyard. I guess maybe would be the way I might call it But other than that those are my comments. I mean I The colors are are stark, but I think in a way that matches the architecture of the storage facility Because the colors are stark on the storage facility. They're modern. They're bold And I think this you've done the same thing and while you haven't introduced a Like a color like orange or red or blue or green or something like that You're still you've gone very bold and opposite ends of the spectrum And I think they they work with each other in that sense That makes sense and so if you wanted to explore another color I'd be okay with it, but I I'm okay with it the way it is right now too And I do appreciate the variation of the different hearty that you've got kind of going on I'm wondering I wonder about the gray If if it's like when you actually get it It's it's a little bit of a lighter gray so you can get those shadow lines Of the hearty and whatnot. So it'll actually Happen I mean it's hard to tell on a screen how that's actually gonna happen in the field, but I think maybe like a slightly warmer gray might Bring out those shadow lines. So those are my comments Thank you drew Henry I like I like pulling how you pulled the colors over from the commercial building to these I was I was wondering if the wind spray which is a little bit lighter color gray might might Go in place of the 21 21 dash 10 number two gray color that you got called out on your on your Color sheet, but it would just be a more of a Maybe shall consider Just because that it's a very dark color, but You know, I kind of I kind of don't mind it because it's it's a little different than what you what you typically see Um I would I would like to see the green color brought over here too Maybe maybe just at the doors since the doors are done at the storage unit So just a that's a little splash of green At the entry doors might be kind of fun If you could go back to the Longer elevation for a second I'd be supportive of what what drew was trying to get out and go ahead and break You know raise that gable end up several feet to So the gutter line doesn't try to match each other and I think that would give that proportion especially on this elevation a little less squatty Look to it a little a little too wide to its height. I think the height with ratios would be a little bit better um And I I too I'm a little uh The shed roof just feels A little out of place And I'm wondering if if you could consider It feels out of place, but I also like the height and I and I would I would I would think that you would want to try to do the scissor scissor trusses in here and Either get a transcend window above And or maybe if you know attic ventilation, maybe there's a maybe there's an end element that's a There's a functional piece to to break up that amount of gable end that's going to be showing But I was wondering if if you'd looked at doing a gable end on this and actually having a gable form on this end of the building That's that's a question. Actually I've been to ask you earlier Yeah, I looked at that. I just didn't find it very interesting um And it's probably A personal preference of mine. I may just happen to like that shed Sharp end with a high, you know entrance and windows and okay What's your project and I You know a little latitude to do it do whatever you think looks best. I mean you're the one that explored it, but I personally might have looked at doing it another gable, but Overall pretty good pretty pretty nice looking project glad to glad to see some more residential units being built in santa rosa And wish you good luck with it. Mr. Wicks if I can just add a comment. I I remember this it's it's it's been quite a while so but I um, I remember pushing randy pretty hard to do the shed just because There was a project that I was looking at in los angeles that was Kind of sort of like a a reference for this one and I thought it was The whole goal was to go with that modern look and from my perspective I thought that that had that cool little modern look to it So so let me ask you back then since you opened that up Did it did the other project have more sheds and less of this more kind of traditional gable? I don't remember, but I'm sorry. I just I you guys have kept asking randy about that And so I just wanted to say hey that was something that I was I liked just it's kind of an mpc Yeah, don't get me wrong. I like I love shed roofs, but and in a contemporary form It's kind of like pick one do do one or the other Come thanks Henry Warren Yeah, thank you. I I appreciate the the comments here on these buildings. It's They're not really seen by the public that much. They're in the they're in the back, but they're As as people walk and stroll they're along the creek area and I sometimes I first think about The the nature of how they function and how they take light in and kind of sourcing on drew and Drew's comments and Henry's comments If if the gable forms were retained, I don't think you need more than a couple feet in the middle to jump it. Um, let me just Right Right at this point here you can come up 24 inches and make Make a statement like that What's interesting about what Henry said is Your um your affectation toward the rake If all this was turned into a rake as well, it could butterfly back I mean that's very contemporary. You can take the entire enchilada of all these gables put transoms And have the whole project have this is a mini me. This is a major me If it's left in a rural context, I know why some of the board members are a little puzzled I know that Randy what's what's kind of exciting is when you have a glass here when you're seeing this glass You don't have a lot of Respects to that but this glass and this glass act in concert at that corner and that's what you're seeing in los angeles and it's It's it's a fun thing. I can understand a bit of a struggle with An apples and oranges the colors and everything tied together I My piece is in that When you have large areas that are kind of blank Some of the traditional instincts are do you put vents up here? Do you Do you put a big triangle then at the top to kind of layer that? But I want to say randy. I want to thank you that I I think what you're really trying to do here these These roof lines were intended to to kind of just roll along and this canopy you put in which is Not timid was meant to shield the door. That's where the doors are lower And I don't mind that actually I don't mind the fact that that canopy is doing its job That same canopy element can come along and be a horizontal force over these southern windows so um I want to rest that I I don't mind the colors. I like the comments about the belly things coming out it's um It's a project that um as Henry says in your hands um brandy is the is the element of The traditional and the Contemporary woven together And I I don't have a problem with you expressing yourself with all that It's just note that the comment is that it seems like a kind of a half me This is a full me and a half me And it's okay um I just commented that if you want to go full on With the the contemporary look All this horizontality begins to play as you say goodbye to gables And create lines that are more contemporary nature altogether That's all Thank you Lauren adam yes, and um, I do also appreciate that um, you uh, you said that Residential is not your focus. Um, but you are putting some in here and I think it's a pretty interesting Uh interesting thing to see this is one of the first I've seen. Um, this is actually second action in the past few months But I think it's a really interesting way to think about infill You're getting you know some of the commercial aspect and you're getting some residential too. So multiple wins. It's great um Yeah, I'm glad that uh, so I was going to have comments. I just felt the uh um The monochrome and the the dark colors were pretty heavy felt You know, I appreciate where you're going with the the kind of the the starkness of it, but um It was nice to hear all of the comments about Brazing it really lifting up some of the verticality and narrowing things a little bit because I think that that will actually really add to To add some some benefits to to lighten things up a little bit because it is I think the squat necessarily is a great comment Um provides it. It's like heaviness that's there I do like that there are The similarities that this feels part of the the storage facility, but it is it is also very separate too And I think in some senses. I think, you know, I usually vote for more More color being brought in but I think that having this be Almost separately branded in a way is is a as a benefit Um, but I do think that uh that bringing in that verticality To to mitigate the squatness And the the the stark colors will be great And um, I do like the um the shed roof. I think that that's an element where I think it's a provides That real nice tall siding, but then it you get for those windows there You mean you're going to get a ton of light coming in. Um, it's gonna be really nice uh with the plantings also, um to contrast with what I talked about with the larger trees I think having, you know, the the coast live oaks and the um the you know smaller larger trees along the the uh Southern edge will be good because This side of the of the property you're wanting to bring in that southern exposure and I think that these um The southern exposure on the um along on the creek side is going to be really nice And so having the coast live oaks, which it will take a long time for that for them to get Pretty high, um, but they will fill in and provide nice sort of mid level, but you'll get this the sun coming over it So I think that's really nice. I don't think I wouldn't um add in any of those The thoughts on the larger trees and the western edge same thing. I think you're gonna get light spilling into those back lots um A couple of concerns with some of the plant choices, um, especially on the stream side, uh the um The corapia, um the lippia notaflora as a ground cover um that is chosen uh specifically because it's You know, it's great because it's bulletproof And it can grow as a nice, um Ground cover lawn substitute, but this is right next to the creek and it has a um has the potential to become evasive and so Uh lippia if you get it and it's the non sterile form, um Can get can spread and spread by seed. There is the branded trademarked Corapia lippia. I was getting kind of into the weeds Um of it that uh That if it's specified to be that sterile form of it then it the chances are they won't spread. Um, but with access to water with You know potentially bits of it flying over the creek and spreading it could spread down into the creek side ecosystem so I would recommend, um uh taking that plant out the corapia um And coming with a different ground cover. Um, there are um options. Uh, you could do a you know a yaro That's there. Um, there's different, uh I had a couple of of ideas, um for you that salvia spathesia um epilobium canum they're um some natives but that you know they're um It's a california fuchsia and um a sage that is low-growing matte. Um, and uh Also flower not more nicely. They bring in some of the color along the the ground covers But the the big idea and I would leave that up to your landscape architect to reconsider That that plant But uh, I worry about the invasive potential of the corapia there on the creek side Also with the irigeron Carvacy Carvacy on a camera. I was mispronouncing it carvinsky on us the mexican daisy Also is um on the creek side To it's these big swaths of it That um, they can become invasive too. They'll spread over um on the other side and get down into the creek. We you don't want to Ecologically have your uh, your your site and your landscaping You know, this be the locus for something spreading down the creek ecosystem. So just being you know You brought this before waterways The week before I actually started on waterways last spring. I saw that again in the notes Um, but I would have said that at the at the time too to go with the ecological side of things So the waterways because it's right on the the watershed Being really careful of the species you're choosing And uh, I think you can go with different um drought tolerant lawn substitutes ground covers And some natives that could be nicer. Um specifically in those, uh outside of the patios in the the The creek side apartments Are the the patios Is there, uh, I know that will there be on the ground floor once um Will there be also railings to keep people out of the landscaping that's there? Um, because there are yards behind these lower Apartments there, but is it right on the creek side have access? yeah, no, I mean there's there's The board fences that are running between the yards in the backs that the neighbors can't really see into each other's yards And then it's the hog the hog wire on the ends on the ends there. Yeah Um, but what is it is the idea to have access to the yard for the people on the ground floor can go out or is it You know just landscaping on the other side is it railing and people can't get out that side I don't believe there are any gates there. No they're shown that I've seen And I feel like that was for a reason. Yeah Yeah, I think it's a security Okay, but um Wait, so there's that you've got the The board fence coming from perpendicular to the house hog wire at the end But with the patio is that yard outside of that bottom unit meant to be a useful yard or is it just to Be landscaping looked at No, I think it's just landscaping ground cover. I think the useful portion is what's closest to the To the unit Exactly so that that that's that's actually my question because the plant choices that are there are They're Moundy flowy flowery things not, you know ground cover you could walk around into so you're The use is if you're setting it up with the the landscape plan there is meant It's meant to be looked at not to be engaged with and gone out to it So I think that those yard areas can be Thought of a little bit. They can be fleshed out a little bit more. Okay And that's that could be just you know, switching up that plant choice It could be doing, you know, some sort of like low growing Ground cover in the center with some of the same Plants you've got around the edges there to create a more of a because the way you have it here in in the plan They're not useful yards. They're yards to be looked at from the little patio So That Let's see. Oh actually to um with the hogwire fence in the back also I was thinking that One way to provide a little more privacy for Along that that fence there and with the before the the trees and the shrubs actually grow in those first few years Those coast live folks they're going to be kind of lollipoppy and then then they'll start to spread out One thing you could do is on the hogwire fence Have some vines that will actually grow up and screen Those yards so people aren't looking in those back windows For the first few years and then you know within five years the coast live folks are going to get larger so I would I would Because they're I assume there aren't any gates on that hogwire fence on the backyards. It's just solid I mean, you know There's a fencing, you know security, which I think is you know, it's a public right of way along there So there's gonna be people there. So I think having privacy and a little more security. So can consider, you know Plants and some vines to go up there for the for the first few years That should do it Thank you adam Eric No additional comments Yeah, and the comments I would make are purely I don't know the positives about the project. I think You know, I like the color scheme I think that having the color scheme's kind of Similar to the self storage actually helps kind of minimize the scale of the self storage because it feels like it's all one complex So that works well for me. I think there's been some good architectural comments to consider And you know overall, I'm just happy to see that it's a mixed unit mixed use project with residential units I think it's going to be really successful the only thing I would consider is And the comment was already made for more colorful Doors, but just just a sense of personal entry of each individual unit It doesn't have to be wild, but you know, they're they're all kind of The same and it would be helpful from a way finding for visitors and just To have each unit kind of feel like it's their own. So you do that with the doors or However, however you might decide Those are my comments So we started this with comments Do we want to roll into motions? Sure, I'll take care of that. I move to grant preliminary design review To The Oops, I'm looking at yeah, no the right one For the eight unit multifamily residential structure part of the recess self storage mixed use project Located at 42 24 synom highway file number prj 18 dash 0 5 0 wave reading of the text This is one where we need to make an amendment on the whereas With I was just going to remind you. Okay. Well, let me finish then with the change to the text That reads Whereas on january 16th 2020 the design review board of the city santa rosa considered recess self storage projects specifically the four storey 124 000 square foot self storage facility and change that to the eight unit multifamily residential structure Perfect excellent motion Do I hear a second? I'd like to second that Thank you, henry We had a motion and a second and we'll start out with friendly amendments. Um, I can kind of read what I have We're on the eight unit one. Okay Just a quick quickie. Sure. We understand with housing this preliminary goes to staff afterwards Right That's why I didn't do anything special. Yeah, the designer view board takes action on preliminary all housing projects come back to staff for final Thank you for the clarification excellent So One clarification before I start these Drew started out with just the dark colored gables receiving more vertical heights. Are we talking both? Dark and light colors for both, okay, yes, so Shall provide greater gable heights of at least 24 inches at the eve that work does that work for you randy? Consider Either transoms over the south elevation and or canopies Or something unique to break up the massing on the gable Oh, that that's unique to the six unit. That's not that wouldn't be for the oh, that's not the eight. No, that wouldn't be for the eight unit My apologies. It's okay The next one's six. Okay, here we go. There's a there's re there are on the back side of the eight units There's recesses. So it's a little bit of a different beast ten four um Provide stairwell lighting And other lighting as necessary for safety of the residents on the creek side trail side yeah Can I piggyback onto that one to sure bring in the um The down lighting instead of all of the up and down lighting Um Incorporate yes So it started the the flip of what we did on that public service of the storage So you want to at that location you want up and down lighting? uh I would You know, I think the way scott has worded actually gives the applicant flexibility to explore Whatever works because down lighting may not work for whatever reason So what scott I think what scott said is shall provide Lighting at and then the second part was and what was the second piece? Can you read that again? um So I shall provide shall incorporate lighting at the stairwell location And any other areas that provide safety for the residents on the creek side trail locations Sounds good to me Um, I think this was is for both of them. Uh, we'll do it on this one. Um consider wind spray gray in place of the darker color scheme I would just I would say that just consider lighter Lighter gray palette just to that way that gives them flexibility to pick whatever color works And or stick with the dark and or stick with what they have yeah Instead of like identifying a specific color. Okay Consider lighter gray color in place of the darker color scheme Um shall eliminate libya not a flora and Giron Carvin Suckianis from the landscape um palette Say replace and replace with um, can you repeat that please? I'm just kidding The two on the lower left hand corner The killer ballot of the landscape ballot, um and replace with other non-invasive ground cover And then rethink the patio area plantings to be more durable Uh durability wasn't it was um Uh, I think usable and livable Okay If you think the patio area plantings to be more flavor usable and livable And consider vines on the hogwire fencing At those units That's all I got anybody want to make the friendly amendment Oh, no, okay consider Very indoor color to provide sense of place Do you want brilliant white or do you want kind of a slightly dusty white for all these buildings? Anyone want to make that friendly amendment It's just a question. I'm thinking it's it's if it's xerox white polar whites It's gonna scream And I'm just thinking of dusting it down some Not yellow not tank but consider a Less stark white All right friendly amendment ward. You like that? Yes. Yes Okay, warren made a friendly amendment to adopt What I read into the resolution does the motion or accept? I do So does the second accept I do okay patty. We're up for a roll call, please Okay, um wicks Hi Weigel Hi Sharon Hi Goldschlag Hi Hedgepath Hi Kincaid Hi Okay, and we've got one left the six unit I moved to grant preliminary design review approval for the six unit multifamily residential structure part of the recess self storage mixed use project Located at 42 24 Sonoma highway file number prj 18 dash 0 5 0 With the change to the text whereas on january 16th 2020 the design review board of city of zanorosa considered recess self storage projects specifically The six unit multifamily residential structure Change the Text the 124 200 whatever you know what i'm saying Wave the reading the rest of the text Excuse me. Is that sufficient? That's sufficient. Great. Thank you Do I hear a second second? Okay friendly amendments, so I'm trying to pull up the six units so I can get the Elevation on the friendly amendments correct And Get in there Okay oops Shall Increase the gables By at least 48 inches at the eaves on the Southwest elevation I said 24 is that what I said it's 24. Yes 24 inches. So I said, yeah, no Oh 48 24 inches. Sorry And the That's it. That's just the southwest elevation on this one. No, it isn't it's northeast elevation too Yeah northeast and southwest elevations Um again consider a transom Over the southwest elevation Um or a canopy to break up the massing or something else unique eliminate the horizontal trim on the northwest elevation at between the first and second levels Consider a lighter gray color in place of the darker color scheme Did we have any of the ground covers in this as well? uh This one I would just the same language for the rear yards. Okay, so, um eliminate the Libya No, the flora and the aragara on carven sock in us Ground cover and replace with the non invasive ground cover And I think that's it And and the yeah the uh to the language to make them more usable and livable the rear yards. It's okay rethink the rear yard area plantings to be more usable and livable We have one more okay from the architect side of the table I think And and this is a consider I think it's based on warren's comments and henry's comments I'm gonna say consider alternative roof forms for the central Gabled elements So If you want to try a butterfly roof that's going front to back you want to try a shed Just have at it randy Thank you for that addition. Um, do I have someone who wants to make the friendly amendment? I'd like to make a friendly amendment with subject roof line alternatives and american freedom. Yes You'd like to make a friendly amendment on everything I read including drew's addition does the uh motion or accept I do does the second accept I do Alrighty, we're on to a roll call patty, please. Okay wicks. Hi weigel. Hi Sharon. Hi gold slog. Hi Hedge path. Hi kinkade. Hi great well again, thank you for uh the project and the presentation and uh I think it's going to be wildly successful and I appreciate uh all the durability of the product as well, so Last a long time Good luck. Thank you very much How many worldwide buildings are are done by Um, this company this corporation. Do you know what what is the count? What's the pin? 1800 wow You have some beautiful buildings in portland Those look really good. There's also another one in uh, purlin, texas A lot of glass I mean they really look Look good In 80 years of alternate housing Thank you Okay, we will uh move on to item number seven board member reports. Do any of the board members have any reports to provide? Seeing none, we'll move on to item number eight department reports I'm seeing a shake of the head to the no from bill No department reports and then the last item is adjournment. So we are adjourned