 Chair weeks, it's 430 and we're ready to get started whenever you are Thank you So with that I'd like to call to order this meeting of the planning Commission Will you please call roll? Commissioner Carter your Commissioner Cisco here Commissioner Holton here Commissioner Peterson Here Commissioner Sanders here vice chair Duggan here chair weeks here let the record reflect that all commissioners are present Thank you And so with that we'll move on to number two approval of minutes. We have two sets of minutes today September 14th and September 28th. Are there any changes to the minutes? Okay, so then with that they will stand as approved Do we have any public comments on the minutes? Not seeing any public comments anybody going to the podium for the item on the minutes We'll go ahead and move on to the public comment period on non-agenda items We're now taking public comments on item 3 non-agenda matters This is a time when any person may address the commission on matters that are not listed on the agenda But which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the committee So with that Mr. Dewitt, thank you Give us a second here to get the public comment timer up on the screen. All right go ahead Hello, my name is Dwayne Dewitt. I'm from Roseland. I don't know if you saw today's paper Had an article about how you could help downtown Santa Rosa I think one of the best ways you could help it is by keeping in mind the problems that have been Afflicting it are from planners that came before you This is really basic this stuff started happening 50 years ago while our city manager Ken Blackman Basically worked to put in that brick block house. That's over here. We call it the plaza and essentially Ruined what was a really good and vibrant downtown Santa Rosa Ever since then we've all heard this mantra of we have to help the center area the downtown area And we've done all kinds of things none of them which have really helped much so 15 million to reunite the square All kinds of stuff that really hasn't gotten where you want to be Well, the other day there was a man Had a meeting here at City Hall. It wasn't a city meeting. It was developer who bought the shenate property the community hospital and 22 years ago the Ag and Open Space District bought some land nine acres next to Paul and Creek and it's called the Paul and Creek Preserve that actually could be the Touchstone for you folks to revitalize downtown Santa Rosa You're thinking well, how could that happen way over there? Well, basically that man is Up against some stiff opposition from people who were traumatized by the fires the tub fires all those victims up there They don't want to see any of that type of stuff come back in there And we shouldn't be traumatizing them anymore We should actually be working to try to convince that developer to work with the city to put housing And other mixed-use type development on the city-owned properties that are here downtown Right across the street first street those vacant buildings lots of other spots the parking lots If you could have your planning staff and department begin to work For the benefit of the taxpayers and citizens not just the developer And look into what's called transfer development rights land swap Get this situation where that person gets the same amount of value with city-owned land downtown here and builds tall buildings with air rights And goes up in four or five different places providing over a thousand 1200 1500 housing units right here in the core area That's what's revitalizing a downtown people to come and shop here. Keep that in mind. Thank you for your time Thank you, mr. DeWitt any other public comments Okay Not seeing any we will move on to the commission business and our statement of purpose We are charged with carrying out the california planning and zoning laws in the city of san aroza Duties include implementing of plans ordinances and policies relating to land use matters assisting in writing and implementing the general plan and area plans Holding public hearings and acting on proposed changes to the zoning code zoning map general plan Tentative subdivision maps and undertaking special planning studies as needed So with that we'll move on to commissioner reports. Are there any commissioner reports? Okay Then are we have any public comments on commissioner reports seeing nobody We'll go ahead into a department report Yes, thank you chair weeks members of the commission. I'm jessica jones deputy director of planning I'm just a couple quick items for you. I'm first I am very excited to share with you all that we have had a promotion in our department And we have a new supervising planner for our current development team and that is miss susie murray who's sitting to my right Susie has been with the city for a long time and Has worked her way up from city planner to senior planner. She has worked on countless projects I know she's been before the commission many times over the years She has truly shown herself to be a gem in our department and she is She excels at Mentoring our younger planners and so we're very excited to have her in this position and helping with A relatively new group of city planners that we have hired in the last year And helping them to bring them up in our department And and be the face of our department as we move into the future So we're very excited for Susie to be in that position And then the other thing was just a quick note for our Meetings in november the november 9th meeting. We don't have any items for that agenda So we will be canceling that meeting and then the november 23rd Meeting is on Thanksgiving and i'm sure you all have better things to do than sit here So we will be canceling that meeting At this time it doesn't look like we will need to add a special meeting Sometimes we'll do that during the holidays But at this time it looks like we will not be holding any meetings in november if that changes We will get a message out to the commission And that's it Thank you, and congratulations miss murray So with that, um, do we have any public comments on the department report seeing nobody We'll move on to statement of abstentions. Are there any abstentions? Seeing none, um, we have no consent items and no report items So we'll move into the scheduled item And this is a public hearing 7 11 sale of beer and wine for off-site consumption conditional use permit at 1 3 6 college avenue c up 22 dash 0 5 2 it is continued from august 24th 2023 And it is next party item. So we'll start with commissioner sanders I have visited the site numerous times and I also spoke to a couple of folks in the neighborhood And um, that's about it. Thank you commissioner carter Yeah visited the site a couple of times. It's all Commissioner peterson. I have nothing to disclose I have visited the site I viewed the august 24th meeting video and I watched it twice and took notes I also had a brief conversation with denise hill who wrote the letter into in the packet Basically because she's a social friend and we happened to be chatting about alcohol use So I had a brief conversation with her about it and with nothing else to disclose I did and I did visit the site. Yeah Commissioner sisco I have no new information to disclose You commissioner holton. I've also visited the site multiple times and I have nothing further to disclose And I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. So before we start Want to mention that This was heard on august 24th and it's continued today Due to the fact that we had six commissioners present On the 24th and our vote ended in a 3 3 tie, which is not considered a formal action on this item So therefore the item has continued today to allow all seven of us to be here And to take formal action to either approve or deny the application As vice chair juggan said, uh, she was absent, but she has she is present today And I can act on the item because she has reviewed both the video recording and the staff report and all the materials So now Ms. Murray Oh, I did want to mention that since we Since we've seen the full presentation We're not going to be repeating The full presentation but just a short summary So go ahead Thank you and good afternoon. And again the project before you this evening or this afternoon is the 7 11 Front at 126 college and their request to sell beer and wine for off-site consumption Excuse me and just to recap the meeting from august 24th Uh, we had the the staff and applicant presentations public hearing was opened and closed commissioners to such discussion was held and As chair weeks just mentioned the the there was a tie vote and it's continued to today where hopefully we won't have that again So just a quick recap for anybody that may be listening that wasn't there on the 24th of august The general plan land use designation for the site and the zoning our neighborhood mixed use Um This this the the general plan land use is really targeted for public serving Uses or neighborhood serving uses The here's a photograph of the site As it stands today, I think I'm pretty sure I actually took this photograph I don't think it's oh, maybe it's a google map. It might be a google map. Anyways, this is current Um The project plans have been circulated a lot of discussion has occurred between city departments Through staff's review. No issues were raised Planning police and housing and community services have done multiple site visits as well And no issues were raised and I just like to say that both Police and housing and community services are supporting staff's recommendation for approval There are um six required findings five of which are shown here and is drafted on the the draft resolution for approval all Six of the findings can be met the sixth finding is on the next slide, which is the california environmental quality act And again, I don't need to repeat all that Um, I wanted to draw some attention to the late correspondence that was posted um The the applicant has worked with the abc to self restrict or self condition themselves for things that the city does not have Perview over or enforcement power over and those include just some of the highlights limiting the container size Reducing the hours for sales of alcohol beverage. I believe it's from 10 a.m. To 10 p.m and You know that they're agreeing to post some signage about loitering and Open containers of alcohol and then they're also volunteering to remove trash from neighboring properties And those are just some of the highlights. There was a whole host of self-imposed conditions or abc imposed conditions I for that and I know that the the applicant would like to say a few comments about that after my presentation And I'm going to wrap up really quickly with the with staff's recommendation that um, it's it hasn't changed It's recommended by the planning and economic development department that the planning commission by resolution Approve a conditional use permit allowing the sale of beer and wine for off-site consumption for 7 11 at 136 college avenue And there's my contact information and I'm not sure if we have anybody watching remotely, but my name is suzie murray And my phone number is 707 543 4348 and I do answer my phone So if you have questions give me a call and that concludes my presentation Thank you Does the applicant have a presentation that they'd like to make Good evening again. I promise not a a full presentation First off, thank you for continuing the hearing. I know that after the tie last time you didn't have to continue it Can you hear me? Can you wait one moment, please? Can you speak closer to the microphone? I have the volume all the way up here and Yeah, we just need you to speak closer testing Try it again testing Thank you. Thank you Not sure if you're hearing that but I said good evening again and thank you for continuing the hearing After the tie last time. I know you did not have to continue it So we appreciate it. We appreciate commissioner dug in listening or viewing the hearing twice Last time so we promise not not a new presentation Um in brief, um The store has been open for two years As miss murray said there's been multiple visits by staff Captain corcoran mentioned last time He had visited the site uh with miss kijkendall The manager for the housing department They were impressed with the cleanliness of the store so did not see any significant neighborhood issues Uh clearly the if they've been open for two years and we have this support from staff and the police department Um The store is doing something right Miss murray talked about last time how the store cleaned up the the back area with Took out the vegetation added new fencing Um, so we're very pleased that we have the recommendation And the position that the police and the staff of our head articulated Hopefully the game changer since the last hearing is that There was some pushback from someone on the commission About well, even though we tried to volunteer operational policies and restrictions on the on the sale of alcohol that we Clearly intend on following through there's pushback. Well, it's a it's a volunteer condition. There's no teeth to it We've now given teeth to it With the abc abc is very much a law enforcement agency They have sworn officers. They have state police powers and all of these conditions are enforceable So we have the hours restriction the restriction on container sizes The the business is is required to police the property to control graffiti to control loitering to make sure there's no drinking On or adjacent to the premises. And so, um, we were able to work with the abc and add those conditions to the license So we are not naive about the potential impacts from the sale of alcohol We take all of those concerns seriously from the neighborhood the city or the commission But there's nothing about those concerns that cannot be adequately addressed with the appropriate conditions And we've we've put our best foot forward to do that In closing, I believe it was commissioner carter last time Proposed the the question or made the point Can one business cure the the social ills that are Are present these days and clearly the answer is no but we can do our part to run a good business We think we've demonstrated that we think your staff has has confirmed that And uh, I'll let roge say a few words, but we're happy to answer any questions and we would ask for approval. Thank you Yeah, good evening. Hi. I'm roge apple. I'm the store owner. Um, I just wanted to say thank you For having us here. That's it Thank you Are there any questions of staff or the applicant before I open the public hearing commissioner siscoe Yeah, this isn't really a question, but it's a clarification of the record because um, I read mr. Um evans letter submitting the abc Conditions and it seems like that there was a misunderstanding or Not clear about the discussion that we had last time And when i'm hearing pushback, I just want to make it clear that what what came up when the Applicant was making that offer to condition themselves um I clarified I am the condit commissioner said that doesn't work and I clarified with uh, miss crocker the city attorney That uh, the city does not have the purview to put those kinds of conditions within our conditional use permits And that's that was the conversation that as much as they could Want us to do that It it could not be done with with any merit the only one that could do that conditioning is abc And I think at that time staff, uh, there was a representative of abc here and uh, I believe It was either miss murrier miss crocker said Um And it's generally found that abc is reluctant to do that kind of conditioning because of enforcement issues and She turned to the abc representative who nodded so I just want to make that clear And you know i'm happy to see that you were able to go through abc and get those conditions, but um That's the only way that that could be conditioned We could not do that. So just want to make sure everybody's clear on that So I think we actually have a representative from abc here if uh, there are questions, uh at that at some point, so thank you Commissioner sanders Thank you and abc you're here. Yay And if no worries no worries go to the podium behind you this is a quicky quick question and um State your name for the record. Please. This is my name is heather williams with the alcoholic beverage control Awesome, thank you. So my question is what metric is used to determine what is considered an over-concentration of This type of establishment selling alcohol For offsite consumption. What metrics is being used to determine? What's too close? What's over concentrated? So we have what's like a geographical code and like The whole state is broken down in these geographical codes And in all honesty, I would have to find out how exactly the geographical codes are Determined like their boundaries, but basically there's a geographical code They look at the population within that area and then there's a mathematical equation For off-sale and on-sale And then they do that equation to determine Based on the population how many on-sale licenses there should be for that area and how many off-sale licenses There should be for that area And then if it's over concentrated that means there's More off-sale or more on-sale licenses for that area than are Like mathematically That there should be for the population Okay, so is there ever any consideration of That geographical formula that's being used is that ever In sync or out of sync with the reality of like actually walking in the neighborhood I don't think so as far as like For so if like 10 Off-sale licenses are allowed for a certain geographical area We don't look at how close it is to The other licenses in that area. It's just for the whole geographical Area, there's 10 allowed and for us it doesn't It doesn't really matter where in that area they are So you could have three or four in a very short walk, but still not be considered in over concentration correct Any other any other you have one more question, but not for abc Um, so let's go to commissioner dug in and I have one for miss williams um So the the applicant has just um told us about the the conditions that that they've agreed to with abc And how common is that that uh individual applicants will have extra conditions imposed that they work with you To write into the conditions of Your approval So it's not very common for the applicant themselves to request conditions So that request had to go up to our headquarters in sacramento and then licensing legal and enforcement kind of talked about it and Basically the decision was made if they really genuinely want these conditions that we would go ahead and put them on the license Thank you Thank you. And commissioner sanders And this question is about the conditional use permit itself That runs with the property not the business. Is that correct? Yes Yes, so Once the conditional use permit is approved granted Um, they sell the business That stays so the new owner Takes over and it's Correct with the property and existing conditions of approval on the use permit would apply Thank you Any other questions at this point? Okay, so with that, um, I will go ahead and open the public hearing on this item We uh Already had the public hearing on august 24th, but um in the interest of full transparency and public participation We're going to go ahead and open it again If there's anybody interested in making a public comment on this item go to one of the podiums Not seeing anybody And do we have any, um email? Previous email correspondence. Okay So with that, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing on the item and bring it back to the commission Um, so if we could have somebody make a motion on the resolution and then we'll go around For comments by the commission commissioner carter Yeah, I'd like to Move the resolution of the planning commission of the city santa rosa making the findings in determination And approving a conditional use permit to allow 7 11 an existing convenience store 136 college avenue to sell beer and wine for offsite consumption city file number c up 22 dash 0 5 2 And is there a second all second Thank you. So that was moved by commissioner carter and seconded by commissioner peterson And We'll go ahead and start with vice chair duggin All right. Thank you So, um, I just want to say by viewing the videotape of the august meeting I want to thank you all for all of the Careful consideration and and your Comments that you made both sides Because I like it when The public sees how we deliberate and how we're very thoughtful about things And I also appreciate commissioner sysco's history because I remember um The first time a condition use permit application came for this site years ago. I think was 2004 And um the discussion in the community One thing commissioners sysco also mentioned was a mini market or a small neighborhood market in the jc neighborhood Which also had a fight over their conditional use permit. It's adjacent to an alley. It's kimi corner from a Elementary school Well sometime in the past things have changed and now they have a conditional use permit and they sell beer and wine And apparently it's not been any detriment to the neighborhood. They still carry cat food. They still carry You know rvd things and I know this gleggo in there apparently Once in a while by cat food and I also buy a six pack of beer so um I think The comment that resonated with me the most was commissioner carters How what has changed in the intervening years since 2004 is that this area has been rezoned neighborhood mixed use it's um And zoning designation that is for neighborhood serving businesses and purposes And I can make all the required findings and support the application Thank you. So, uh, let's go then to commissioner sysco I'd like to check on that conditional use permit because I don't remember that coming back in front of us so Yeah, I don't know what the history is. I actually remember years ago going to some meeting here at city hall Well before I was on the commission to speak out against it and they have sold beer and wine there for as long as I can remember Okay, well, yep, I'd like to look into that I've got a pretty good memory about these things I've never asked for a copy of the permit. Okay. Um, well I remain A no vote on this a couple a couple of things that came up During the last meeting Was a sense that it's it's not fair if other 7-elevens are all allowed to sell alcohol in this particular one is being singled out and um, I just want to say that um That's the purpose of a conditional use permit just because 7-eleven has a model that where they want to sell beer and alcohol Doesn't mean that we owe them that ability to do that that what we're looking at is the context of the neighborhood In order to establish whether It meets the the conditions of our conditional use permit and isn't creating a new sense I also you know a lot of people and I have no objection to this operator I'm sure he's great, but everybody was that was for it was referencing this is a good operator and like Commissioner sanders discovered the conditional use permit runs the land ones with the land So you can have a good operator one day and not so good operator the next day But you we've given them a conditional use permit in an area that is already experiencing severe nuisance impacts And I also would like to clarify that Yeah, the conditional use permit runs with the land all the conditions of the conditional use permit run with the land But the conditions of the liquor license change with the operator, so just so we're all clear on that So I just I have so many issues with this and I know that you know We're looking at what the way things are now and I did that as well and What I'm seeing is at present the the use is already surrounded by multiple off sale and On sale facilities I think we've sort of met the spirit of the downtown station area specific plan by having Availability within walking distance of a number of goods and services, but it's already surrounded Troubling to me as was last time there are many vacant spaces vacant lots vacant buildings In proximity to the address and if you looked at the calls for service A lot of those addresses are referenced as to where the calls for services are You know being handled and many involve alcohol related issues It's also in close proximity to multiple services for the unhoused Which I would define as a sensitive population that You know we are Doesn't apply now, but we're looking at our general plan update to discourage uses that impact sensitive populations like youth and seniors, etc And I think you all heard me say how I would like that clarified and expanded to Not have uses close to trails vacant spaces, etc But I would also add to sensitive population the unhoused This is a this is a neighborhood that is highly impacted by a transient Traveling population travels through that neighborhood a lot and So there are just all these vacant spaces that are problematic To the neighborhood and the alcohol uses I think are also problematic to the neighborhood So For that reason, um, I can't make the finding that it won't exacerbate It's an existing nuisance, but like I said last time why add one more and I'm just not willing to do that. I see the same thing here today Even with the the change in zoning in the downtown stationary specific plan. I don't think it fosters livability. I think it Um detracts from the health and safety and welfare of that particular area and neighborhood Um It may not be all that well neighborhood serving. It may be serving a population that we don't want to serve So, uh, for that reason I can't make the findings and I'll be voting now Thank you. Mr. Holton All right, so this is a really tough one Um, you know, I'm really torn. So first off, I just like to applaud the operator or the applicant Uh, I think that was a really commendable effort that you put forth in going and contacting abc yourself and doing something That's really kind of unheard of for a lot of operators to do. So first off. I just really like to commend you that Seriously, it's amazing and uh, it's actually the one thing that's got me on the fence about this whole thing Is my empathy for you as the operator? um But at the same time, you know, I Can make a lot of similar observations that My fellow commissioner of sysco can make and I've been down there quite a few times and I mean they're in my opinion There really is an over-concentration of alcohol Permits in that area or ability to purchase alcohol in that area but At the same time like I said is I'm in this quandary where I want to reward good behavior. I want to reward somebody who's really taken steps to kind of make a difference and For me, I think especially limiting the hours of sale. I think that for me is huge so With that being said I'm not going to drag this out too long I'm going to probably be changing my vote and all the in support of this application Thank you commissioner peterson. Oh, and I can make all the required findings. Sorry. Thank you I mean, I I feel the same as as I did the last round. I think that the addition of the abc You know an unusual conditions while it may only run with the operator rather than the land. I think goes to the Yeah, really a good faith Effort to address the concerns that were raised by the no votes last time again in general. I think there is a larger conversation policy-wise about The availability of alcohol and what if any kind of restriction should be on it in the city I've seen we've got captain corcoran in the office in the in the The building here and I'd imagine that a lot of his career was spent dealing with alcohol related problems. I think that It's at the root of a lot of the the challenges we face as a society. I also would push back a little bit on the The focus on on on on house people and the consumption of alcohol. I think that there's a lot of people that struggle with alcohol that Drink too much and drive and have homes and and jobs and families they may have a lot of problems related to alcohol that that are More or less unaffected by another Conditional use permit going in into the into this town. So in that sense, I don't think that this particular site poses a a new sense that raises a concern and From my perspective and I can make all the other required findings And will be in support of this conditional use permit Thank you Mr. Carter Yeah as um My uh motion to approve the Resolution demonstrates on my point of view on this hasn't changed Significantly from our last hearing. I don't think the operation itself Constitutes a nuisance. There are certainly activities in the area that Attract behaviors that are nuisance behaviors, but I don't see that this operation of this facility in particular Exacerbates that and I can make all the required findings and will be supporting the motion Thank you commissioner sanders And my position has not changed either And um, I guess So I went down to the property Probably like a half a dozen times to the neighborhood Uh came in the store. Uh, you actually had someone in the gallery last time said the wings are amazing And I had some and they're pretty dang tasty So kudos to you on that and I will say it's like about the cleanest 7-eleven. I have ever seen In my life. So again kudos to you on that as well um I went down I parked right on Ripley And I got out of my car and I walked over to you. I think it's called the speedway Express or something that affect the gas station there, right speedway something. Okay So I walked from there To 7-eleven And then I walked from there to 9th street market and I did that in about less than 10 minutes Real easy stroll, which is why I asked abc, you know, what's the Metric in which we're calling it over concentration Because I could have bought a beer at the speedway and by the time I got to 7-eleven in the 9th street market I could have bought another one So if you live on Ripley, if you live on Lincoln, if you live on 11th 10th 10th turns into scott comes back to Ripley I talk about it's like three four blocks to get from the middle of the neighborhood To the 9th street market to 7-eleven or to the speedway If 7-eleven gets this uh you permit, right? So there is you know, there isn't A lack of ability To get yourself a beer and make it back to the house To watch the warriors Um when I was walking through the neighborhood, I did see you know, uh right behind the uh the property There's a ivy and bushes and I'm sure that you probably have gone out there and cleaned up But you know inevitably stuff comes back and gets dumped there and there were of course beer cans dumped there And of course you don't sell beer. So where the beer cans come from You know, we can kind of guess where that is and I think it's too much to ask of course and you offered this Uh to a certain degree to for you to be responsible for what's happening all the way down Ripley, right? That's not what you're there for. You mean you're there to sell Goods, you know fruit wings Maybe um a beer And I have no doubt that if someone and once you sold the beer if they decided to sit in front of your store And start cracking beers I guarantee I just know it that they would be Handled dealt with respectfully and asked to move along No, no doubt in my mind that place is way too clean Uh, but then it just it begs the question. Where do they go? I mean they're not going to pour out my beer. I just opened this I just bought it So they may you know travel east west On on college, maybe north south on cleveland Maybe hit the vacant lot that's right across the street And they may go south down Ripley And you know Like I said, you know, there's a couple people there one in a van who's Living in his van clearly has a little generator outside the van. I'm sure you've seen him Uh another car that had the little airplane bottles of alcohol all around the car and in the gutter I don't know where they got him from because of course you don't you don't sell that stuff And I know that you put up a fence on the backside of the property to sort of mitigate that easy access from the store from your from the The property to Ripley and then into the neighborhood But what I found kind of interesting is that yes, that gate's there, but there's a concrete path That goes from the front door of the shop the store And it follows hugs the building and deposits you right onto Ripley So we've got the fence, but we got a path from the front door right to Ripley I mean, you don't even have to leave the property. You only have to go to the sidewalk It's straight on the property right to Ripley and then you're down and you're gone And if I'm like, you know trying to drink beers out in the open, I'm gonna probably take Ripley. It's nice. It's shaded. It's quiet Probably won't get bothered too much Those are just sort of my observations as I kind of went there A half dozen times and it all kind of brings me to the issue of livability for the residents of Ripley Lincoln 10th 11th 10th scott In the general plan Print out a couple pages In the introduction, it says In the vision, we want safe livable residential neighborhoods Safe livable and I would venture to add the perception of safety Is important too, right? And it goes on We get to the section of livability 2-3 And it's acknowledged that it livability is as a concept is is complicated, right? The concept of livability is complex and encompasses many aspects of daily urban life For many urban residents livability encompasses such diverse qualities as the health of the environment The absence of crime Santa Rosa, I'm kind of skipping around Santa Rosa Is valued by residents for its livability. It's comfortable neighborhoods. It's relaxed small town feel and that Even goes through when you get to chapter three in urban design Different type of you know focus with livability, but still the same thing The city features safe livable neighborhoods. So For me, I wonder does a third establishment And it kind of creates an interesting triangle to you got the speedway you would have the 7-11 and then straight ahead Is ninth street And when you go to ninth street, there's you know, I was there There was two people laid out in front one person walking into the neighborhood With a bag don't know what's in it a bag and a bicycle don't know what's in the bag I can only guess So I guess I just don't see this as being quite consistent With the general plan and the general plan's vision of creating a safe livable livable residential neighborhoods Which is a constant thread From near beginning of the general plan to the near end of the general plan And um I wonder Does the Pursuit of the convenience You know the potential convenience of that one-stop shop does that adversely affect the neighborhood are we you know affecting this neighborhood in a negative way To gain convenience for a commuter who may Drive by fill up grab the beer try and make the game Once that person's left the neighborhood that's places still there and there's still people like you know Figuring out once you shoot them away. Well, maybe I'll go down Ripley. Maybe I'll go down Cleveland Maybe I'll go down college. That's still real. So even though you're the the shop is pristine And congratulations on that kudos to you for that. You know, it's awesome But once they leave they're not your responsibility. I mean you of course will be a good neighbor But if I live on Ripley if I'm in the trellis apartment centers right down the street And I look at the police reports and I love this designation of unwanted neighbor That's that's a reason why they were called I just don't know that I can make the findings that this is in in The spirit of what we're trying to do moving forward and creating safe Livable neighborhoods. So my position again doesn't change. I won't be supporting the resolution Thank you And I my position will not change either I can make all the findings and we'll be supporting this CUP and I do want to I appreciate the applicant in working with abc to add those additional conditions So with that We'll go ahead and call for a vote It was moved by commissioner carter seconded by commissioner peterson commissioner carter I Commissioner sysco. No commissioner holton I Commissioner peterson I Commissioner sanders No Vice chair dug in I Chair weeks I So that passes with five eyes and two nose and uh Please note that this action is final unless an appeal is filed with the city clerk's office within 10 calendar days of today's decision Pursuant to zoning code section two zero dash six two Dot zero three zero And with that unless there's any other business on by staff We can go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thank you all