 And the three of us came together, so we had two former Royal Marines and an Afghan Brit. James' dad went over in the late 80s, early 90s, and then embedded himself with the Mujahideen for ITN. But sometimes you need a bit of courage to tell a story, to tell an authentic story. The Taliban had already increased their attacks, a lot more attacks happening. We lost four people who helped us in the first trip. We do it assassinated. Marty, how are you brother? I'm good, how are you? Yes, it's been too long mate. Been too long, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's been too long for a reason. I think both of us needed that sort of space. And yeah, I think we're both in a really good position to talk now. I think the last time was March, March, April last year. So I think, well, we spoke obviously via message and stuff like that. But from a podcasting point of view, I think the delay has been for a reason. Like, yeah, which we can talk about in a minute. Yes, because Friends at Home, Marty was our producer for a while, did an outstanding job on the podcast and really took us to another level with his incredible artistic skill and also just perception as a person, Marty. When you get a producer that you can just run anything by, it takes so much like stress off your shoulders. It's a funny world, isn't it? When you interact with people, let's just use the cliche terms, who either live in a matrix or they don't. It's just, I sit down and I say to my girlfriend all the time, this is so bizarre. It's so bizarre that they walk amongst us. And I mean that, but it goes both ways. And we interact on a daily basis like this. And yet we live in totally different worlds. And Friends, this is not a judgment call whatsoever because we used to be, we all used to live in the matrix. You're kind of born into left brain thinking from birth for a reason. It was good when we met, Marty, because I think a lot was happening in the world. There was this big movement, has a letter everyone knows one on one about. It was throwing up a lot of stuff, wasn't it? Yeah, a lot of positive and negative energies, yeah. So we talked about this before in the prep there, just, yeah, it's easy to get engulfed by it and swamped. And with your own research, you just get a little bit of messed in it all. But sometimes you need somebody in your life to go like, look, you need just really question what you're reading, what you're seeing, and question everything. Basically believe in nothing, question everything is sort of what I sort of go with. And even some of the research that I was reading and having to fact check and check the source. And as soon as I distanced myself from that really intense period of research, then my energy started to get better. And I had that balance back, which before it was very much research, research, research, sort of over research in a sense. And I clouded a lot of my own judgments. But as soon as I distanced myself back, I started away from the research and started to sort of go with what I've always gone with in the military. And also in my adult life is my gut. I've always gone with my gut and common sense. And sort of slowed the research down and really got more sort of high quality research, well, and then quantity of research. So yeah, that's the last sort of 14, 15 months for me have just been incredibly life-changing in a good way. And there's another factor there, Marty, isn't there, is we really need to ask ourselves why are we involving ourselves in this research or this particular strain of what's going on with ourselves? Because if the answer comes out that you're deflecting from your own troubles in life, that you're casting aspersions or whatever onto others because it makes you feel this is kind of like an issue there, isn't there? Yeah, definitely. And what I've personally experienced through my plan medicine journey is not everybody, as you mentioned before, there's people who are not in the matrix and people who are in the matrix. And there's the balance there. The whole part of being on this earth that I believe and being in this human flesh is to discover the reasons why we're in this universe and in this world. And some people don't get that eureka moment until they die. But some people get it early on in life. Some people get it in the middle of their life. Some people get it towards the end of their life. You know, that's part of the beautiful journey. And I always say the journey is both a bastard and a beautiful one because when you are opened up to why I believe is to be why we're here on this earth and in this universe, it's just incredibly beautiful. You realize people are all, it sounds quite cheesy, but we are all one. There's no boundaries. There's no country names. There's no names. There's no flags. There's no, you know, it just makes sense when you're when you've been opened up to all this. And you sort of sit back and go, this is, it's all part of the journey. You know, some of my most educated family members are the most entrenched and have the most sort of cognitive dissonance, which is one of the most used words amongst the community over the last year. But yeah, it's, it's just beautiful when you sit back and you, and you, and you know why I personally know why I'm here. And I've found my true sense of purpose through, which is through the medicines have helped me find what my true sense, my sense of purpose on this earth is. It's absolutely beautiful. And there's so many, and as you know, so many lost people here on this earth, so many lost human, human spirits. And all you can do is leave breadcrumbs out. What I've learned the hard way is you can't, you can't help people when you can help, but you can't make people think differently. So they've had so many years of propaganda and bias. And you've only got to do is leave breadcrumbs out. And they will, some of them will find their way eventually. But what I learned over the last 15 months from our last podcast is you can't, you just can't make people think differently. They've got to do on their own. Everyone's on their own personal independent journeys. And I said before, it's both a beautiful and a bastard one. So do you think that by working on ourselves, Marty, and getting our own shopping order, that has a knock on effect that people are like looking going, why is this guy always happy? I'll be on TV sets. And as you know, TV and film are allowed to sort of stay open during the pandemics. And we were heavily tested each day. And, but it got quickly around the, around the cruise, how I, how I, how I thought of the whole thing and my mindset. And I was respectful. I wore a mask on set all day, which was horrific. And I was respectful to the rules because I needed to work. I needed to, because I couldn't get any, any of the handouts. But I didn't want the handout anyway. But it's people were very much like they knew me anyway from the industry. They knew how I was normal. Like it's their eyes. They were just, I was just normal. I was, I was, you know, I was Marty on set. But they just couldn't get the head around the fact that I was so, you know, so against what was going on. And so assertive with my own sort of belief systems and what was happening. And they would say to me, like, you're such a switched on guy. I just don't understand why you're telling about this stuff. And that was the mindset. And yeah, it's, I just solely, okay, don't get me wrong. It hasn't been, it hasn't been a perfect journey for me. But looking at myself, I knew that, well, I've all, I've actually been shown this. I've actually just been shown what's going to happen, not specifically in the next few years, but I know the next few years are going to be rough for a lot, a lot of people. And I, and I can only be the best father to my three children. If I am, I need to be 100%. Well, actually, no one's ever 100%. But I need to be right and ready to go for the sake of my children. And, you know, if I ever meet somebody at a partner down the line, I need to be ready for them as well. So that's not a priority, by the way, but it's just, it's always about number one. You have to square yourself away first. And it is a little bit, it's not being selfish. It's just you need to square yourself away. I'm not just saying spiritual now. I'm saying everything from what you put in your body to what you're reading and researching. And everything is about a certain, you know, a certain amount of rules that you must sort of abide by. And you will find that sort of balance. And you're right, it's got to start with you, number one, square yourself away, and then move forward. And I mean, I think my kids are going to need me over the next few years. They are going to need me massively. Just like yourself with your own son. So you just need to be ready, mate. And the joy, the joy of what I'm experiencing is we talked about synchronicity last year and about how I'm starting to slowly, people are starting to come out of the woodwork and starting to sort of approach me and have the same sort of thought process. That over the last, I would say 12 months, that's been on steroids in a sense that it's been amplified. The synchronicity is in Ireland anyway. I believe Ireland is the heart of the world. It's got very, very special people here. It's got very spiritual people here, especially the women here are extremely spiritual. And they have a lot of energy, good energy. And trust me, if you've ever been to Ireland, not to talk about the beautiful landscapes here, I'm just talking about the people here. And that's why I feel that they've been suppressed the most. But let's not go into that. So, yeah, it all comes down to number one. And yeah, you've got to be ready. And the amount of people that I've met, the amount of people that my circle now has got a lot bigger in who I trust with research, who I trust with my own thoughts. It's more of a collective sort of cleansing, collective therapy at the moment because we are all coming together. We all have different skills. We all, most of us have done really, really well in life. I'd say all of us, to be honest. But we've all come together and we've found each other. And when we're together, we're unbeatable. And it sounds quite cheesy, but this is a micro study of what could happen with the rest of the world if we all just came together. Well, let's be honest, it is what's happening to the world. We are going to win this one, Marty. Absolutely. Win is too strong a word. The truth will bear out. Yeah, like versus darkness. It will. It can seem quite daunting, especially when you see the extent of the indoctrination that the system puts upon people. I'm going to write a word down here for our friends listening. Marty said something earlier. He said, when you work out what it's all about, if you can work that out, you're not just in the 1%, you're probably in... My mouse isn't good at the best time, but something like the 0.01% of people not just on this planet, but who have ever lived that died understanding what they were here for. I'm going to write the word down on my paper. If you know it, put it in the comment section. Oh, interactive. Somebody can read pen now. They can hear me scrolling. And one second. Covertain bound. That's a kilo Colombian. That's a bit similar to you there. Put me on order as well. I'll tell you, we don't do surreptitious in this family. I like it. It's normal. Yeah, folks, I've written one word down here. I'll flash it up in the community post after this podcast has aired. It's about one thing. That's it. And when you suss it, pretty bloody, pretty simple, really. So, yes, I'm really happy for you, Mar-E. But also I have to thank you because it's been a difficult times for people. And I don't mean the people that are scared because they're still plugged into that bloody, dreaded mainstream media and actually believe it still. I mean, the people out there that live in the light that really understand what's going on and have had to live watching just the massive lie that's been put on the whole of humanity. And it's along with all those individuals that have just kept up the good fight, just massive thank you. You're not alone. There's way more of you than you think. For anyone listening now that's like, whoa, just keep your ears open, hang in there. And you might learn something useful. You might not. But what I can say is, my God, living in the truth is just such an easier, despite what's gone on. I just find it's such an easier place to be now. Yeah, once the veil comes off, once you've stepped out of the matrix, as you know, you just can't go back. And that's quite jarring for some people. Some people don't want to leave the bubble. Some people don't want to leave the lifestyle of having a few drinks with friends, getting drunk, going to football, whatever tickles your fancy. But some people don't want to leave that. They've got so comfortable with the social media presence. They've got so comfortable with the nine to five office jobs or whatever. I'm not downplaying office jobs, by the way, but I'm just saying that people are just so comfortable in that bubble. But once you, for me anyway, it was just life changing for the right reasons. And I realized why I was so unhappy. Do you think it's possible, Marty? I was thinking about this in the shower this morning. Or why is it that certain individuals, do you think it's possible that there's a sociopathic gene or a psychopathic gene that people have bought? I mean, maybe a scientist or biologist out there would say, well, of course there is, Chris. But to be so evil, I use that term loosely, that you can drive this planet to destruction, pollute the ocean, lower the vibration of the planet in this way to enslave mankind under false, just such falsities, such massive lies to keep them all. Are they born psychopaths? Or do they understand something that maybe we don't? I don't think it's the latter. I think everybody in this world and this life is born pure. They have pure love in their hearts. They have pure love in their soul and spirit. I think everybody is born the same. But it's all about the amount of bias and propaganda and lies that they absorb as babies and children as they grow into young adults and adults. I think it's the process of what they experience in life, which when they get to that crossroads where, as you know about life, you make a crossroads, you either make a good decision or you make a wrong decision. I think when people see that sometimes the wrong decision is the best decision in the sense of they gain more money or it's all about greed and gluttony. I think it's about humans making a choice. You either make the right decision or you make the wrong decision. And there's that balance between dark and light, good and evil. And it all purely depends on what road you want to go down. It's literally that black and white. I think what I'm sort of meaning Marty is that these individuals, whether they're you call the saboteurs and frankists or whatever this global cult that they all seem to buy into, the esoteric knowledge behind that is quite, it's a high level of knowledge. So at which point you go, do you know what? We're all actually the same with, you know, we are all the universe experiencing itself. So there's absolutely no point me having a beef with Marty because he's me. It would be the most stupid thing in the world for me to hate on Marty because he's the universe in that body, I'm the universe in this body, which is carbon molecules experiencing life because when God was up there on his own, it's pretty boring. So he thought I'm going to create this experiment called life and let's see who works it out. Let's see which one of them, which one of these species, the rabbits ain't going to get it, they're all too busy eating bloody carrots, the monkeys too busy climbing trees, but this, these homo sapiens, they've got a chance to work it out and a few of us have. But to have that level of knowledge to understand this, what is essentially a big game and to play the evil card? I just wonder why people do that when it's so much more filling to play the good card. But maybe they haven't never experienced them feeling good. Maybe they've all had experience in life is to that moment, that crossroads moment, all they realized is and also being brainwashed by generations of family members or whatever. I just feel like it just all comes down to a decision. I don't think everyone's, me personally, I think everyone's wide the same going into this world. And from as I said before, we are all born pure with pure love in our hearts. I just think that it all depends on your process in life and your own say you're bringing but what you experience as soon as you're born. And it's, yeah, I have no answer to that, but all I can say is it all comes down to making the decision. And as you know, there's people in this world who love power, love, love money, love, love to be that top 1% in the world who controls everything and they love it. You know, they absolutely sit there and they just the rubbing their hands and they just love that power. And it is, I mean, I don't get me wrong. I've made bad decisions and I felt a buzz from it. And it was, although it was wrong, it made me feel good. Very no, it dissipated very quickly, but it's, it's all part of the game. As you, as you said, it's all part of the, you know, it sounds quite cliché, but what side of the fence are you on? Are you on the dark side or the light side? It's, it literally is that sort of simple. And even you're making 1000 decisions each day as a human, you know, hundreds or 1000 decisions each day, you know, just as long as I always say, just as long as I make the right decision, more right decisions than wrong decisions each day, then that from an energy vibration point of view, that just keeps me at a certain plane. But it's hard. And like I said before, that the journey and the game is both a bastard and a beautiful one. And it is, it's, it's when it's tough, it's tough. But when it's beautiful, it's, it's, it's absolutely incredible. Blessed to be on this side of the fence. I'll be honest with you. I'm blessed to be, you know, blessed to be out of the matrix and blessed to be with like-minded folk who, like I said before, when we come together collectively, if the energy is just, it's, you can't, you can't eat it. And like I said, we're, we all come with different qualities and different skill levels and we're all different personalities. But when we're together, the collective energy is just unbeatable. And like I said before, that's just a little micro study into what we can achieve globally. And we are, it is, it is happening, as you know, it is, there is a movement and we will, we will win eventually. It's going to be tough over the next few years, but we will, we will win eventually. The question I was asking earlier, Mark, is, is I was just wondering, is, you know, doesn't one of the Rothschilds wake up one day and go, do you know what, actually like enslaving the whole planet through the financial system is maybe not for me. That's, that's a bit naughty that is. I'm, I think I'm not going to do, and do you know what they probably do, but because that the family institution is such a corporate machine, probably just get it, you know, just the same as a corporation. When you start going, you know, should we really be pouring our, our, our sewage into the sea, boss? Shut up, get rid of him. You know, I think, I think that was maybe the answer to my question about, but yes, I feel, I feel good because I know in myself that I, I'm again, to use the cliche, I, I'm, I'm winning the battle. Definition of warrior is someone who keeps trying. That's all it is. Definition of enlightened is someone that puts himself on the track to enlightenment. That's all, there's no, you don't get somewhere. You just acquire enough knowledge on, on the journey for it all to make enough sense that you're not in pain anymore, or you're not enslaved, or you're not suffering. And as such the vibe you give out doesn't then put all that stuff onto, onto, onto other people. But Marty, let's come on, because you've been in Afghanistan. Twice. So again, friends at home, Marty, former elite forces, now a producer in the film industry. Filmmaker. Filmmaker, there we go. I always play that up a lot more, but I know Marty will tell me not to. So my understanding from our brief communications is you, you had to sort of smuggle yourself in there. And what you found is a situation that is tragic, that, that, that we all, anyone with sort of, you know, one iota of intelligence predicted 20 years ago. So yeah, am I in the right sort of, yeah, I think there's a passion project really. I want to be fair, it's my friend James's passion project. He was, he'd served in Afghanistan, I think at the five tours with the Royal Marines and the SPS. He was an officer and he wanted, he'd always wanted to go back. He had a lot of demons himself, a lot of questions to ask about his time there. And he spent five years trying to get it, get it, try and get it funded, try and get it made with the production companies in England. And no one was opening doors for him. Nobody was even answering emails. He was just disheartened. James and I met two years ago in Africa. We did a project together, trying to get a series off the ground in KwaZulu Natal with the Zulu community. And we just hit it off straight away. I think it was the boot neck sort of the boot neck mentality. And we just, we, it just worked. And he basically said to me more, I can try and raise some private funding here. It won't be much money, but you fancy getting over to Afghanistan in February. This is the passion project. And he pitched the idea to me. And yeah, I was like, right, I'm in, you know, I've always wanted to go back. I was there in 2006, 2005, 2006, Herrick five. And yeah, I'd always wanted to go back because I just got a sense that I didn't really get a feel for the country or for the people. And yeah, I'm not so much going back to sort of vanquish a lot of demons, but it just wanted to go back. So I said, yeah, so we agreed. He found, he found some money we raised that wasn't even a micro budget, just enough to get us out there and to get us fed and to get us housed and get us to get the flights. So we went over in February end of February there. And we knew the approach James's dad went over in the late 80s, early 90s and embedded himself with the Mujahdeen for ITN. And it was a very much I've got a lot of war correspondent friends, old, old guys who have always loved their, their approach to storytelling. And James and I agreed that we need to do this, we need to do this old school, we need to do a proper embed where we slip into the country, don't tell the British Embassy, don't tell people with a and just slip in, you know, people outside now go out, that's pretty naughty. And you know, what about security and stuff? But sometimes you need a bit of courage to tell a story to tell an authentic story. So we, we slipped into the country, we use local transport, local fixes, our colleague, Kaiba, who's a British Afghan, he's actually one of the, he went viral on YouTube called unseen Afghanistan, he did a lot of drone stuff. So he did drone work in 2015 onwards, and he became a viral sensation. And James approached and said, you fancy working with us on this, you know, you've got a drone, you've also got, you know, you know, the land, you know, the people, you know, the areas. And he said, yeah, and the three of us came together. So we had two, two former Royal Marines and an Afghan Brit, and we just came together. And it from the day, from day one, it just worked. It was incredible. It was incredible partnership and still is to this day. Mike, before we go any further, am I able to clarify who James is for? Yeah, James Glancy. Yeah. Yeah. So James has been on the, been on the podcast, former Royal Marines, SPS of Special Boat Service, Special Forces Officer. It was quite interesting when James came on the podcast. I hope I'm okay to say this. Yeah, go for it. But he said, he said, Chris, I don't want to talk about Afghanistan. Oh, mate, I get it. Folk flag operation in a major city, off the back of that 20 years of illegal conflict. Yeah. Nation bombed back into this, you know, the nation that was under the developers, it was bombed back into the Stone Age, million, millions of deaths. I get it, we'll leave that. He went, no, I just like didn't want to talk about Afghanistan. He's so poor. He's so Yeah. And it's at that point, you look, this is this, for Francis, that's when you go, yeah, make matrix moment. Well, he's had, he's had 12 months with me. So I'm starting to break, break, chip away at that little, that plus his wall. So, yeah, no, it's, he is, he is starting to, obviously, after the, after the second trip, which we'll talk about in a minute, he was very much like, what the hell is going on here. So to go back to February. So yeah, we, we, it was a very quick two week shoot. We had tracking beacons up. We had a security firm in London monitoring us 24 seven, we had security, we had beacons basically beacons on us, James and I, and transmitting straight to back to London, etc. Everything was thought out. And you know, James and I have a certain skill set as well. We were obsessed with security and safety. So it wasn't like we just jumped in and fired from the hip. We just, we, everyone was thought out everything. The reason why we didn't use armored vehicles is because when we went as a lot of people who know in the security industry and even the military, you drive through a rural village in an armored vehicle, they're going to know what someone put important in that vehicle. And you get a lot of dickers, a lot of eyes on the, on the vehicle. So we, if we had to have an armored vehicle, we'd always be the vehicle behind in a civilian in a Corolla or whatever it was behind. That was just how we operated. And it was, I'll tell you now, mate, the first trip was optimistic, the people were optimistic, the people were beautiful. They were so welcome. And they, they, they, they'd see James and I rock up in local, local attire and the Afghan, it was just, they were mesmerized that we were here and that we, you know, there was no entourage. It was just James and I and Kyber rocking up with cameras and microphones. And it was literally like they just couldn't believe we were there telling their story, which was, you know, I can tell you now, if we, if we would have done this with a big approaching company, what would have happened was we would have flown into the bull. James and I would have been housed in the hotel room and we would have been tripped fed people that they wanted us to speak to. So obviously singing up the same narrative, the same script. So it would have been so artificial and so fake. It just wouldn't have worked. Hence why we chose this embed approach, this old school embed approach. So we interviewed female mountaineers, female skiers, female governors, beautiful optimism, lots of strength there, lots of hope for the future. And we came back with, we knew we came back with an unfinished film, but in a sense it was a nice warm-up for us. We knew that, yeah, there's definitely a film here. There's definitely a feature length feature documentary film here, cinematic. It was all shot beautifully in 4K and loads of beautiful drone work. But the story was there, which was the important thing. So we came back, we did a little trailer and we put it out to all these production companies again and then next minute you can imagine the sharks around the boat, around the chum boat and we're basically just, we're sticking them over, smashing them away from the boat with big, large sticks because now they're interested because we've proven that. One, we can do what we promised and two, the stories there and the footage looks incredible. So now the start of the circle of the boat and James and I are like, nah, we're still not interested. We need somebody interested a year ago or two years ago. You didn't have trust on us then, so why should we have trust in you coming in now in such a halfway through production? So we stood our ground and we managed to raise more money to get out for the second trip and the second trip was just after the Biden announcement that they would withdraw US troops in September. And don't get me wrong, the Afghan government knew the US were going to withdraw eventually but when we got back there, the Taliban had already increased their attacks, lot more attacks happening. We lost four people who helped us in the first trip, they were assassinated between the three months, between the two trips. We'd already lost three or four, I think it was four people who would help us with the last film. They were soldiers, for being soldiers, for being in government, for being positive and hopeful. And they were wiped out, they were assassinated. So the assassinations had increased because of the Biden announcement, the whole country was up in arms, not up in arms but they were just getting ready for the withdrawal in September, which was fine. They knew it was coming and they were all preparing themselves. Taliban were increasing their attacks, they were winning the propaganda war and they still are winning the propaganda war. You go on Twitter now and it's like 90% of the districts have been taken up, that's all bullshit. So as any military audience members will know when they're in Afghanistan, what used to happen in Afghanistan is we used to kick the Taliban out of a village, hand them over to the police and you know within three weeks the Taliban had taken over again. It was like this yo-yo effect and it's exactly the same right now with the ANA and the ANP. It's just a yo-yo effect with dominating ground out there and that's going to continue for a while now. So Marti, I just need to clarify this because even I'm basically aware of the situation over there and the military strategies etc and even I find it hard to follow. So my sort of understanding all along was the second that the West pulls out, I say the West and its allies pulls out, the Taliban are just going to come back old, take over everything as they always did and nothing will have changed except the fact that they've just been subjected to a horrendous military campaign of death and destruction for 20 years along with all the other military campaigns of death and destruction that poor country has had to undergo. Are we saying that is the case or that's not the case? So I think originally there was never going to be a full withdrawal, there was always going to relieve liaison officers and trainers and air assets in the country. So what's happened is they've spent 20 years, the coalition troops have spent 20 years training the Afghan army and the Afghan police while many of the army and the special forces to train a certain way. They've been trained over the 20 years to like just like Western tactics to go out on the ground, go into a contact, call an air support, artillery, mortars, whatever it is. That's fine when the assets are there but by withdrawing all the air assets you've basically, you know, you've pulled a very important aspect of strategy there in the sense that the Afghans now as special forces are going out on raids but they don't have the air support anymore or they have massively reduced air support. So why train them in that sort of strategy? Why train them in those tactics if you knew you were going to pull the air assets away 20 years on? It was just, it's absolutely daft so what's happened is and what made James and I sick to our stomach and really made us uneasy is whilst we were there in July a few weeks ago, the Americans especially slipped out the back door in the middle of the night. So they didn't leave in September as they were planned, they slipped out the back door in the middle of the night in something like, it was early July, I think it was the third or fourth of July, you know. So and they left all their vehicles, they even scrapped a lot of their own kit rather than handed to the Afghans, they scrapped it all and left scrapyards of kit. James and I in Kyber actually walked through a scrapyard near Bagram Air Base and it's just disgusting. They've left everything, they've scrapped everything, they didn't even hand it over, you've got US military gear everywhere, you've got, it's just disgusting to watch, it's a very, just makes you sick to see this Bagram Air Base and it's full of scrap and they slipped out without telling anybody so the government couldn't plan. So now the government's on its arse because the the the the ANA checkpoints and the and the they're just not organized, they're disorganized so hence why the Taliban are taking advantage and hence why the Taliban are gaining a lot of ground and it's frustrating to see and then you see and then you hear, because we're on the ground speaking to authentic people and authentic voices, you're now hearing stories about soldiers aren't even getting paid until six to nine months time because of corruption in the government and it's widespread so then so when you when you hear stories of why the Taliban are taking over checkpoints it's because the soldiers don't want to fight because they're not getting paid and there's no leadership, it's an absolute mess. So the big thing in the film, the big thing for us in the film is we're going over to question the overall strategy and he's, I don't want to spoil for the film but your audience needs to know this 20 trillion dollars has been spent in 20 years. The whole purpose of the occupation in October 20 years ago was to get rid of al Qaeda and bin Laden was to wipe out the heroin problem and was to wipe out the Taliban. All right the facts are and I know this because I was in the country a week ago to the day. Taliban are stronger and more equipped than ever before and everyone's ever seen before purely because of the Pakistan intelligence and the Iranian intelligence involvement. They have been waiting for this moment for 20 years. They do a great weighting game the Taliban. They do it well and they've always done it well if you look at history and the Russians etc. So they are having a great time right now. Everything's coming to plan. I will never forgive Trump for releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners. I will never forgive him for that. Okay you could say how great he is and I will never ever forgive him for releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners who went straight back onto the front line. I will never forgive him for that and 80 percent of the world's heroin is still grown out of Afghanistan to this day and al Qaeda bin Laden's lot are stronger and more equipped than ever and you've got to sit there and stand there and ask yourself what was it all worth you know it just makes you sick and I can guarantee you now nobody will be held accountable for that $20 trillion spent and you don't see it okay there's a few well-repaired roads around Kabul and Baghram Air Base and the roads are a little bit better however let's just get back to what we found. It just made us sick to the stomach and we're not questioning why veterans were there. We were all there and I'll be honest with you who kicked the Taliban's ass when we were there. We were not questioning that at all. At all we're just questioning the overall strategy and so much money and so much death and the country's been at war for 43 years and as you know it's so it's so much more beneficial for the people for the people who run this world for a country to remain in war you know they make so much money from an area which is in conflict as you know so it's just it's going to the film's going to ruffle a lot of feathers it's for the right reasons it's going to be finished in three months and I'd love to come back on when it's finished and talk more about the release etc but it's a passion project which turned into this well we're just we're just we're literally just questioning the occupation the strategy for the occupation the motive behind the occupation and it was an occupation in October we're just questioning the we're going back to day one of why we were there and we're questioning 20 years on and we have we have the results and we have the evidence that so much money was spent so much death you know and no one will be held accountable that's that that's the that is the frustrating thing you know we know this and the way the world works and we're just raising we're just raising light to these basic these basic issues of of well mainly motives of why we invaded that country in the first place I mean just just keep just keep eyes on the country now I think Afghanistan I think just I'd love to ask your audience members where do you think the next US-UK war will be and I on I I believe China China now will come into the Afghanistan territory there's so much beautiful minerals in the country not not not opium obviously there's opium always always be there and always be a great provider of of of illegal income but there's so much beautiful minerals in that country which hasn't been mined yet I believe China will slip into Afghanistan over the next sort of five years and then I'd love to know where your audience think the UK and US sort of eyes eyes and sort of strength stroke influence will move towards I'm dread to think where they want to go next because that's what it's all about it's about swinging the sides to somewhere else and and to and to gain and to basically extract as much from that area as possible so I'm scared to think where where they're going to swing their sides to next yes if you read read up much Marty on the Belt and Road initiative no this is this is something I think we all need to get more familiar with it's uh in my rudimentary terms of explanation it's basically a sort of super highway that spreads from from Europe across the Middle East and into China it's it's a well like I say a super highway of technology good services etc etc between between China and Europe and other countries are bought into play for example Australia just opted out of it which I don't don't know how that fits into the game because you generally don't tend to tend to get to opt out of the new world order but but that's a bit the same with Brexit these these things seem to occur yeah um and as such it means that certain places uh in that region becomes of strategic importance yeah um the we because the mainstream media is so powerful we're led to believe that China's the bad guy and the Russia he's a he they're a bit of a wolf and then we've got the good old west because we're you know with and my it's all it's all a I I'm just putting this out there we you know what if it's all a sham what if it's not what if it's none of that what if that's just put out through the media because the whole show is being controlled by an elitist group of individuals that control China that control Europe yeah control the United States they've got this super highway set up for their um all welly and agenda to create the three superpowers so your Eurasia Europa and East Asia or whatever all in this constant state of war um which is what we seem to be building towards um and then when you look into Belt and Road then you start to see things like the Suez canal becomes of importance as the seaway as opposed to you have the goods coming across land and you have the alternative sea route and what we're seeing now of course is a build up of military interest in East Africa with Mozambique starting to appear in the news more and more and this this kind of thing then you have talk of the European army which is now a reality it's not a it's no longer a theoretical thing if you look at all of the top top brass in the military not only do they all now have their photos next to the european the the yellow stars on the blue blue background flag but in the rhetoric that they've obviously been told to put out it's all about yes we must work with our allies to strengthen the and it's all European army speak again it's all well in new world order um yes it it it becomes interesting i i believe we're heading into the second year of a 10-year globalist agenda that that's my individual personal belief that by 2030 they want the whole world globalized i mean that's just that's not me being you know a crack a crack sort of conspiracy theorist i'm just believe enough believe believe nothing you really believe nothing that you see and and and and listen to i just feel like i know that we're heading into into a we are in a globalist agenda right now and they couldn't have been happier with the first year the first two years anyway they sat up there they're rubbing their hands they couldn't have been happier with the progress made within the first two years because i i feel in that 10 year 10 year plan they would have had it like oh it's going to take a good five years to really break these break the population the world population down but no the first two years they couldn't have been happier and it's frustrating to see even now the whole points of the i'll call them the passports it's it's uh it's scary to see how how quickly people have conformed to something that's so obvious to the people that can see it you know i mean i just feel like we are already in this and people could say we've been in this agenda for a lot longer than two years but i feel they've really amped up really amped up the agenda now and for a 2030 target but i think they're going to smash that well before 2030 you can see what's happened you can physically see the esoteric the depraved and big finance came together to create this to this world system and and yet it's it's working but they underestimated me marty i'll tell you that and they underestimated you and they're not they they can't win they can't win i know they're under the it's possible to think because you know went out my run this morning ran past the petrol station the amount of people still uh doing the thing you know believe that the bogeyman is going to get it it yeah it can appear quite disheartening um but just just a lot of like i said earlier on in the podcast just a lot of lost a lot of lost souls a lot there's a lot of lost spirits and it's not their fault it's just that the way the system is it is created and the way they've been born into this world they're lost you know it's it's nothing to do with them that you know i'm going back to this sort of we are all one and you know it's yeah i've just channeled myself channeled a lot of the engines into me now and and to protect me and my children which they are the future and um yeah it's one you when you're on when you're on this side of the fence it's it's just beautiful it's it's blessed to be here mate and blessed to be with you and be with like-minded people as well to sort of it gets lonely very quickly and the more people can come together even if it's just an email or a phone call or a text message just to say look you know hanging in there or you know fancier chat or fancier debrief someday or let just sometimes because you can you can it gets pent up it yeah it's all about energy and vibration and and i've learned so much over the 15 months of being on the last podcast and learned a lot about myself i've still got a long way to go but it's been an incredible incredible process yes it's hard when when you you first have that epiphany of that things ain't right that that's someone slipping you a mickey right yeah and you go through a transition phase from from being from realizing oh my god i've just been lied to my my whole life is is a lie yeah and i'm saying this for for people that are there do just just it's it's all good it's all part of the process you are going to feel alone and the reason is it takes a while to stop digging your ice axes into the old network and wondering why it's not working for you it's called probably referred to as many things and you'll you can read all about this i'm sure in eastern philosophy but the way to think of it is you have your third dimension that's your your matrix people waking up they think life is this way go and do their job come on fish and chips in front of telly do same thing next day get the information from the bbc the good old bbc you know you have that then you have the people that realize that that's that's not the way the world is and they're they're they that's called fourth fourth dimension the problem would be and then then you have fifth dimension yours truly right okay it's all a bit subjective but the fifth dimension is those that have realized you're never going to make sense of the world if you keep trying to employ third dimension logic right if you want to step out in the matrix you have to leave it behind and this is why people can yeah i talked to my family and they call me like tim foil hat and i don't i don't speak to them anymore and and this we've all we've all been there and it's all good it's all it's all absolutely fine you're just transitioning from needing that affirmation from the old network to suddenly realizing that your affirmation doesn't come from individuals or people although it's lovely to have like-minded people like marty and you know in in in your sphere your affirmation comes from the universe all the answers are there and once you stop thinking as chris thrull or as marty or as hey you know i've got this baseball cap and i wear i wear wrap clothes because it makes me so cool once you dis in disengage yourself from that i bought this shirt because it was cheap and go outdoors it's that it's it's no once you can disengage and start to draw your energy from the universe and draw your understanding you just you're you you go to the next level and then it becomes so much clearer and easier and when people say yeah that chris thrull do you know we but i mean maybe they don't say that but but two things happen one you understand them because they're you you are them and they are you so you don't you're not going to hate upon them right that would be silly to hate yourself but the other thing is is what what marty and i was saying earlier is you start to become a force to be reckoned with people see you on your instagram and you're like happy every day and you're not posting pictures of misades and porches and and you know what does my bum look like this week and all that kind of narcissistic left brain ego fueled stuff that keeps you trapped in the matrix and they go actually this guy's just like happy going out for a run he's like each vegetables and and and and he wouldn't change he's like doesn't get pissed every night what what does he know that that and and this is the i think this is the the vibe that we start to give off marty isn't it yeah that the vibration yeah it's um it was amazing even with my own family members when i told them i wasn't i didn't drink alcohol anymore it was just this and i obviously explained to them that alcohol made me suicidal and alcohol suppressed me and and always slipped me into a massive depression afterwards you know it was it didn't make sense to keep drinking it was just it was just unheard of but even even so it's still even even telling friends and family this about how alcohol has an effect that that specific effect on me um they were still sort of like still not pushing the alcohol but they were still couldn't understand even though i explained to them what the negative side effects are to to to take in the substance and alcohol has a lot to answer for especially in this world for me alcohol used to suppress me it suppressed me so much that i was just so miserable and so embedded in the matrix and um yeah that's just my individual journey but yeah it's um um yeah for me alcohol it was was a massive negative factor in this whole journey and once you break up free of those chains and you look back at alcohol and alcohol and the demon the demonic name alcohol and it's just you start going down that rabbit hole you're like wow can't believe it you know you think about like coming of a coming of age of a British boy is going to the pub with his dad when he's 18 or even earlier to get a pint you know and i've worked in Africa and i've worked around the world and a coming of age of a young adult is just going out and hunting or going out and camping and living off the land for a few days and and proving yourself to your father that you are strong and that you are able to to defend your family and to be a good warrior and and to be and to be have a good mindset and you look at how a coming of age um process happens in the UK for example is is getting pissed with your dad you know and yeah it's not your dad's fault that's what your dad's been taught that's what your dad's been brainwashed with that's what your grandparents have been brainwashed with but i want to be a stalker who as a parent one is going to nip that in the bud right now and i'm not saying and i remember my children when they're old enough will have will choose for themselves but i want to make sure that that way of responding to alcohol and the way you accept it in your life is going to be more of an education than than something that you just try yourself and and then and you work your way through it i want to be a generation that tells my children that joining the military is not necessarily the right choice and here is why well again it's up to you to make that decision when you're old enough i want to be a generation that gets my children asking questions more gets my children to seek the truth more to look for alternative sources of information so there's a lot that i'm learning as a parent and individual as well which i want to pass on to my children but they've got they've i mean we thought we think our generation's had it tough and even the generation before has had it tough i think our generation our younger generation now i've got a really tough tough journey ahead especially with the digital world and i'm always trying hard to keep that balance with my kids with nature and digital and i understand that you know why i still need to have digital in their lives because of the way the world is going but i don't want to get into this but um yeah we've got i think it comes down to what you teach your children and um yeah i just think i've learned so much i'm still learning i'm still really early on my journey i'm very early on and um what i've experienced especially over the last two years has been just well it's been life changing for me yes clearly clearly and you're looking really well on it well that's the afghan time so um what one final thing that um then marty i was gonna actually do this as a just a sole podcast on my own because yeah i but perhaps we can cover it between the two i'm getting asked a lot yeah by some people that are quite upset okay um not an area i suggest you go in life no point getting upset about anything but but people clearly message me say chris this is and and and yes when you look out the window it it can seem as though we're losing but it's not it it you have to think of the the long the long game but one of the questions i get asked marty is when are the military coming to rescue us and i thought between the two of us we could perhaps explain to people why um when you join the military it's because you're at a certain time in your life where your brain works in a certain way and so that life appeals to you and then you're subject to essentially taking orders and and carrying them out and yeah i just think it's a good educate it could be a good educational point yeah what why when we're facing tyranny on a scale that i've never seen before in my 51 years when clearly the narrative that's being put out by mainstream media makes no sense at all it's so utterly not just changing day by day but it's so utterly illogical that this should be the way and again i'm not using any of the buzz words or keywords it but that the way that we're living should be the way that takes humanity forward little little just just a couple of little points there when i was young you dropped someone on the floor you just picked it up and ate it right why because your parents realized getting grungy getting a bit of dirt in your system getting a few foreign foreign bacteria that's actually really in the in the long term not just good for you but good for the the um longevity of the species of the of the planet uh if you had a kid at school maybe they got chicken pox you'd have a chicken pox party you'd all take your kids to that house so that they could all get a bit of it and then strengthen again strengthen there's it what we didn't have was that kid in that house over there's got chicken right everybody let's wrap our children in cotton wool let's cover them in cellophane and cling film let's lock them in a vault let's put that vault at a certain distance away there's just one example of many marty isn't it yeah utter insanity of what of what is being allowed to prevail because people are so submissive to to what they perceive is authority but what in truth is a total lack of authority um a lot a lot of my sort of especially my raw marine friends or military friends can't get the head around the fact that marty here ex-raw marine believes that any free human being doesn't need a monarchy i just i just they're bewildered by that sort of ethos and thought process but no i i believe any human being on this world doesn't need a monarchy doesn't need an elitist system we are all free we are all one and people need to stop thinking about people need to stop waiting for the men in military uniform to arrive have to save the day you know the people need to stop waiting for these knights in big shiny armor to come in and save them what they need to do is we are all warriors ourselves we are all spiritually we are all warriors who have been suppressed from the moment we are born we are born into this world with pure love and pure devotion to this earth and what happens is like i said before is you lose sight of that you lose your strength you lose your pure you know your sense of purpose in this world and but we are all warriors and i would suggest anybody and i can i know now there's the audience members listen to this right now knowing i've always thought that about myself i always thought that i was different i always thought that i was stronger than i am and you are everyone is stronger than they are it's because they've been brainwashed and suppressed for so long and i would advise anybody now to start creating groups and get round the fire at night and to talk and to collectively come together and to just for your own sanity and and mindset is to start creating groups and communities i'm not saying groups to you know pick up pitchforks and go and storm you know parliament i'm saying just come together in nature and just get back to where we used to be the roots of where we used to be and we are all every single one of us on this in on this on this beautiful earth and in this beautiful universe are warriors by spirit we are all okay we all have different qualities which we bring but fundamentally we are all warriors and it sounds cheesy and it sounds something you'll hear an american indian say or it's go back to those warriors in time and their ethos and their way of thinking and it hasn't never changed for thousands of years hence why the plant medicines have never changed for thousands of years compared to pharmaceuticals who've been around for a hundred years it all makes sense but yeah you know number one we are all all warriors by spirit and two we all need to come together and if it's just three of these four of these even two of these who start coming together at the weekend or in an evening one evening a night or one evening a month it's enough for now to to come together and to and to and to be like i said from day one collect collectively when we come together we are unstoppable individually we are powerful but collectively we are unstoppable and if you can do that locally with a small group and then which spreads then so be it let it spread let it spread like wildfire because that's that's spiritually that's where we are going at the moment we are we will we will overcome we will we will dominate and we will win and it's not about winning or losing as you mentioned it it's all defeating or prison imprisoning people it's just about the journey the light will always always overcome darkness and uh like i said from me personally what's what's really really happened to me and really helped me is coming together with like-minded people it's very very as you mentioned before very lonely it's a very lonely world and by coming together it gives you that strength to yes i'm not on my own here and yes we're on the right path so that that's my sort of closing remarks anyway when you're a you're a toddler you're a baby whatever it you're born in your into left-brain thinking and it's very helpful because you want your nappy change you want to breastfeed did it it's like yeah i want i want i want i want what and that's helpful when when you're young as you grow older and you would have had to fit in with the the tribe you'd had to learn to move to your right brain which is your empathy your kindness your understanding basically not being selfish because again it's all about supporting your people but if you keep can keep people in the left brain they don't then develop these qualities so left brain is matrix right brain is freedom now you take those youngsters at 16 years old or possibly 17 or 18 um and you show them this glossy magazine brochure and this amazing career in the military and and you're going to be on the side of righteousness and truth and justice and that's all incredibly appealing if all you've known all your life is a good guy and a bad guy narrative thrust at you from hollywood and if you've come from a disenfranchised background yourself which very many service people do you've never known stability in your in your life and and let's be honest you've lacked the love of your parents at the time you like you needed it the most you seek that affirmation you want to be loved you want to prove yourself you want to be respected by your peers instead of feeling that kind of inadequate young boy in the playground that maybe got bullied a bit or maybe was a bully etc etc so this recruiting office just seems wow oh i'm through that door i'm going to be a man well of course as marty said being a man or a war man it's nothing to do with picking up a gun to become a warrior it means you set foot on a path to in to to enlightenment and so to answer this question i'm getting asked an awful lot no the military are never coming to rescue you the with a possibility of a coup if they respect the person that's instigated the coup enough maybe yes they will they they will follow that but is it violence begets violence or some other pithy but clever saying um so as this is not to say that all military people are left brain not you know and that don't have the ability to sort of have empathy but it's it is to say that kind of like the majority i think it's as marty has picked up on the it kind of goes with the territory if you want one set of carbon molecules for absolutely no real reason to go and annihilate another set of carbon molecules in order that some elitist banking families can just get even more power for their sick and greedy games right you can't have that set of molecules thinking in its right brain because it's going to go fuck that for a game of soldiers that's my mate he's me what why would i kill him it's so stupid it doesn't it achieves nothing other than to just perpetuate this violence that pervades the planet it's ludicrous right would do ministry people think like that or do they say yeah man there's a war i i want i want to go into action i want to put my my my skill set to to good use because there's good guys and there's there's bad guy right and sorry i'm being a little bit uh don't wish wish to be too facetious but i'm just trying to put it in terms that that we in like hollywood like terms that we can all sort of understand and when you see the demonstrators or protesters maybe they're on a march because they they're right brain thinkers they love humanity like marty said for us it's about the children that's it we don't care about our lives we're just a set of molecules doesn't really matter but the children haven't had their lives yet now don't deserve to be born into slavery and to be uh manipulated from birth and to have the things like the travel which is now no go oh yeah but it is christ you just yeah you've just got to do the thing haven't you and then you that that's not freedom folks right yeah i think i think i think i'm sure your audience now are familiar with what your belief system is in here which is great so no i think i think just um really final final remarks is just just hang in there those are those of you who know something's not right and are on the are on the same journey chris and iron is just going to hang in there i'm not yeah we've lost too many good people especially recently um to to the system and that's the real pandemic for me is the mental health destruction and the and the addiction rise so um yeah that's that's the real pandemic you know i'm i'm i'm i just don't want to be you know the last year i was sat two times talking to a guy down from killing himself so i just don't want to be you know i want to i want to be in a world which we don't have to do that it sounds like a dream sort of scenario but for those of us who who feel lonely just like i said before you know use chris's platform to to communicate with each other use the community to get together and get around like i said get around the fire in nature and there's nothing better than being around the fire that night especially with like-minded folk and being in nature and it's just something beautiful and something um yeah you just feel that connection straight away and um yeah get out there and just even if it's once a week once a month whatever it is just just make that connection with other people and um feel free to reach out to me as well um martystork at gmail.com especially if it's interested in any plant medicines in in in the uk or in ireland i've got a lot of good contacts so um yeah yeah um thanks for having me on mate uh love you brother yes just stay on the line Mike it's something i need to to ask you but much love to you my and your family and and you're it's so good to see somebody doing that you know taking such positive action um friends at home massive love to you all i hope this has made sense please don't be getting upset with we're a truth channel it's it's that and sometimes the truth is hard for us to to take in i mean it's it might not be your your truth or it might not be your truth for another 20 years and then you might go oh my god do you know what i watched this podcast like 20 years ago these two guys were saying this they were saying this and i just thought bloody tin for that nonsense so so we don't mean to offend anyone we're both veterans we're very proud of that we're both um you know part the the the the military family i think we both learned a lot from it but in order to be a warrior you have to do what's right for the children it's just that simple and so we have to say what we need to say so that's it we'll see you next time