 What's the first year and how much do you get? Oh, look, you can't put a figure on it. There have been no factions in the Labour Party either based on ideology or on personality. Look, I've got to say this about Chris Carter and I've said it to you before. He is one of the most hardworking MPs in Parliament. I hold hard at his support, Mr Goff, as leader, and I'm looking forward to working with him in the government in 2011. The question is whether Phil Goff is the person to lead New Zealand. We are against it. I am against it. We are now against it. We were quite relaxed. The word relaxed was no. Every time that my whanongas talk about leadership, they actually diminish my prospects. There is no question of support for my leadership. So you're promising well over 200,000 jobs, eh? Oh, look, you can't put a figure on it. Labour is now completely dysfunctional. It has to put Phil to bed. He's a very good politician, very slick, very professional in what he does. What is the first year that you gain any additional revenue from your tax switch? I think it's about 2016-17. Again, I don't carry all those things in my head. Well, it's 2018-19. It's a long way off. It is. One thing I would have liked to have learned more of was about financial literacy. And Phil lacks the capacity to work out how to give real leadership. Had they turned that complaint into a charge later against him... Again, Mr Goff, you're the leader of the Labour Party. This is politics, the temptation is for one to think you put friendship over stewardship. No, no, friendship over the stewardship of the party. Frankly, what you're showing me is showmanship. I'm trying to deal with this seriously. But, Fred, you'll just have to put up with me for another couple of years. Phil Goff says he wasn't briefed about the investigation. These documents from the SIS say he was. In any future meeting with Warrantucker or the SIS, I will have a third party present. Where there are problems, that opens the opportunity to renegotiate particular areas. So you will stick... You would renegotiate? Well, if there is a problem there, obviously we would look at it. I take him at his word that he has not done anything against the law. I think there will be a question of judgement, and I'll acknowledge that. You learn and you move on. Look, right at the start, it was a casual interview with the Herald. I said, look, we haven't worked out the detail of this, but here are the principles. There was a global financial crisis in 2008, but that was over by 2009. What is your view on whether we should have some form of capital gains tax? That doesn't immediately appeal to us as a key priority for any incoming government. I want the detail. You'll have to go to the policy researchers on that. I'm setting out the broad parameters. You know, I'm setting out the broad parameters of the policy. I've answered the question, Duncan. I'm not going to answer it again. Why don't you just live in your flat and not claim any money from the tax plan? Because the flat is currently tempted and I plan to sell it. I don't want to sell the thing and not get a decent sale price. I've got it right here, I think. No, no, without looking. No, I'll give you the figures just to make sure I've got them. Yeah, it's $78 billion. Yeah, look, those details go to an expert panel. I'm going to be the first to admit that I was wrong in the judgment that I made at that time. Abelita Phil Goff became Phil Gaff today when he got his finance spokesman's name wrong in a major speech about the economy. Labor's finance spokesperson, David Cagle. Can I just say, I've noticed you've started to walk differently. It's like a meaningful stride. We're expecting that after the election he'll still be standing as leader. Here's the leader taking us into the election. You shouldn't ask personal questions or if you do, you should ask John Key as well. He was looking very tired and drawn and beaten and I felt a little sorry for him. Would you take the leadership of the Labour Party? Oh, well, that lies somewhere between our caucus and Providence, so we'll just wait and see about that. If you're a parliamentarian, you're elected publicly, you've got to front up and take the music. How many people will be exempt from it? I'm going to get the figure on that. That's why we don't need to know the specific figure on that. But I am not the leader of the Labour Party. Well, I'm not the leader, Patrick. Purely hypothetical questions, so I won't answer that one. Look, you know, I've got a track record. I've had 15 years as a minister. I've never tripped up. I've never stuffed up. I've done the job confidently. Well, that's bullsh**. Frankly, that's just nonsense.