 And if you think about it though, Shannon, degrees in this field and certifications in this field, they're relatively new. The CDMP has only been being offered for the last 25 years. Think about it in the context of other degrees that you might have pursued or that I might have pursued when I was an undergraduate. There weren't degrees in this field, right? So it's a it's a rapidly changing landscape and I think flexibility is key to longevity.