 Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Zelda inquiries. I know it's been four months I deeply apologize this series was supposed to happen at least once a month and Well, that didn't happen But you know we're back and we have a good reason to be back because the Breath of the Wild DLC is coming up But before we get into Talking in-depth about that. I want to introduce our two guests this week or this month or whatever However, often we're gonna do this. We got game over Jesse on glad to be here You guys might know him. He does some YouTube videos He's worked at all the various Zelda fan sites or the big Zelda fan sites out there in the past Then we have Dreamcast guy who I literally just met 10 minutes ago. Hi. I'm just a random youtuber as well Hello Exactly and I'll have links and everything down to their channel in the description if you guys want to go to it And also in the video will have your handle so people can go follow you wherever now We're here to talk Zelda right that's what the show is all about and We have some DLC coming out this Friday The first well kind of sort of the first ever DLC for Zelda There has been a few other downloadable things in the past, but this is like the first literal you pay for it. Here you go Let's just hop right into our expectations of this DLC I mean we get a master mode trial of the sword new costumes, you know, how excited are you guys for this DLC? Very very excited. I I think it's going to be awesome It is giving a huge insight into what we can expect not just from the Zelda team But Nintendo in the future because aside from Smash Brothers and Mario Kart This is the first time Nintendo's like put a focus on DLC, especially in this way on like a single-player game Well, it's also so interesting because Nintendo has always kind of been the king of creativity They do what nobody expects so even when it comes to DLC like this something we all expect will be real simple Even now it looks pretty much like it's gonna be crazy and wild and something we're not expecting at all And I keep saying expect Yeah, it is it's interesting they You know Nintendo has been dabbling in DLC especially in the Wii U era But this is like the first time, you know, it's really taking like a single-player game and giving them a huge injection of paid DLC Because multiplayer games I think always kind of made sense, you know adding adding new carts and new racers and new racetracks Like that's just common. That's what people do in multiplayer games That's how you keep them to keep the community thriving, but single-player games are always different, you know You think of really good single-player DLC out there Sometimes it's hard to think of games that have good single-player DLC And it's so many of those single-player games these days Do that day one DLC thing. I hate Mm-hmm. Oh, it's like why am I paying like 20 bucks extra for day one DLCs? Why isn't that in the game? But that's how it happened here. We have like a master mode which looks crazy looks totally crazy I don't know how I'm gonna off the great plateau to be honest Like this this Friday when the DLC comes out, you know We'll be doing a live stream and I'm gonna have some regular live stream days Where I try to 100% master mode from the very beginning and just watching the Treehouse people during E3 die On the great plateau when they already have two divine beasts down and gear and 10 hearts. I'm like what? What's happening outside of the fact that they're just bad at Zelda? It's it's definitely interesting. I'm so curious to see how they're gonna tune it up because I Always like breath the wild a lot because it's such an interesting type of difficulty You're not only dealing with breaking weapons, but also dealing with cooking and item management. It's so interesting I'm kind of super super Interested to see how they're gonna make this super super hard for the entire game without just absolutely breaking it Because they're pretty good at balancing things out Yeah, and I think most of the game. It's gonna be pretty balanced. I feel It's the great plateau at the very beginning. I don't know how they're gonna be able to balance that when you like regenerating health And you have items that break and the items aren't getting any stronger. So they're gonna break even faster It oh man That's the only part that I'm not looking forward to because I think the rest of the game will be fine because You know you gear up as fast as you want you get as good as you want But man regenerating health in the great plateau and you're not gonna have enough items to take out a purple Bokel blend is gonna be crazy. I Like the bomb and run technique doesn't work when the health is regenerating It makes me excited. I think it'll definitely make the starting of the game more interesting But it gets me excited after you've got a couple of the divine beasts already Done and then like suddenly link starting to feel overpowered not only do you have like an instant fairy Sure from Mipha's grace that kind of brings you back to life when you die You have Daruk's protection that can just like instantly reverse in the attack and You just really quickly become overpowered in the game And I think this is going to bring the enemies up to your level It may be more difficult at the beginning But I think it'll start to even out after a couple of divine beasts, which is what I'm interested in I think it's gonna even out but obviously, you know Anyone who's played to the end of the game and you know faced off against like silver liners and Climbing again and well what I'm actually interested in it's like yeah, they have gold liners now Which I I mean I know some people like oh, but silver liners are so easy I'm like, yeah, but have you fought a gold one? Yeah Once you figure out the strap for the silver that doesn't mean that same strategy is gonna work on a gold You don't know we haven't played them right When I'm interested in it's something they haven't talked about and it's the only thing I am actually concerned about with this DLC pack They have not said that calamity Ganon or the bosses get harder And if they don't get harder, that's gonna be disappointing. I imagine if they do I imagine I imagine that it's gonna be like 20% harder Everything else is getting like twice as hard because I know that some people because I was cruising around the forums a lot when Breath the Wild first came out and there were a lot of people complaining that the bosses Didn't explain themselves very well that they they'd find it really hard until they figured it out And then it'd be really easy so I think they might be a little bit nervous about like doubling somebody's health and Just hoping that the same crowd that barely beat at the first time is gonna have any chance of beating even one dungeon in this new mode Well to be fair though this new mode I mean this isn't supposed to be for those people. Yeah. Yeah Well, but you know it is anybody who's selling downloadable content you want you want the biggest crowd possible to not be mad at it Well, it's not too hard for them. I guess I look at it as As far as I'm aware, there's no way to buy this DLC pack on its own, right? You have to buy the twin pack Right the season pass is I I don't even I have no idea Yeah, you have to buy the full expansion pass for the $20 and then yeah You get DLC pack 1 DLC pack 2 and instant access to the bonus items. Yeah, so so I think that they are I think the crowd that that struggled with the boss I mean, I'm not among that crowd but again like, you know, I'm Zelda's kind of my thing. Yeah Like, you know, we're all big Zelda fans here So like yeah, we personally aren't gonna be one that the crowd that's gonna struggle with that kind of thing but When I look at master mode, I look at it as that's a mode for me That's a that's a mode for the veterans who found the game to be pretty easy in the first place when it came to the dungeons and the bosses and When they take those bosses and they don't change them, but the rest of the game is really hard You know, there's already, you know, this ongoing theme in the game that a silver Lionel is harder than Calamity Ganon That that that shouldn't exist. That's just Calamity Ganon should be the hardest thing in the game But he's really not especially if you beat the four Divine Beasts Then he's like almost a joke because half the fight's already over before you get to it And that's fine I mean you could make you can obviously make it a challenge if you try to go straight to Calamity Ganon at the start That obviously makes it a lot more difficult but it's It's one of those things where that difficulty of going to him right at the start That's almost an artificial difficulty because it's not the way the game wants you to do it You're just you as a player. It's kind of like players like to have three heart runs. You're making the game more difficult Yeah, the game itself doesn't actually want you to play it that way So if you play Breath of the Wild the way they want you to which is taking out the Divine Beast and caring about the story and Doing all this exploration stuff by the time you get to Calamity Ganon, you're just really overpowered And he's he's a joke. I went into the Calamity Ganon fight my first time thinking okay Well, I should probably have you know a whole bunch of ancient arrows which turn out to be useless against him But whatever I had like 50 of them. I should make sure I'm fully stocked at least 50 plus on all my arrows I should have the best armor in the game. I should do this and that because this fight's gonna be hard Like I thought I thought a silver Lionel. That was difficult. I better have you know This has got to be like the hardest fight in the game and it it wasn't it was kind of a joke Especially I don't know why they included the beast mode to be honest That's not even a fight. I I don't even know what they know I don't know whose idea that was it wasn't like the Beast Ganon and Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time Just made it feel more epic, but then the Beast Ganon and this one's just like what was this? Yeah, shoot one there that like like it was a QTE event basically in Twilight Princess But at least it was like if you didn't hit the buttons you could die This one's like no you're only dying if you just stand there and let him hit you with his beam right in front Of his face. He doesn't turn to face you He faces the same direction the whole time. Yeah, he doesn't walk on. He does nothing. He just stands and he's so huge It could have been like a really epic fight. It's very very cinematographic. It looks good in trailers. Yes It looks good. It just isn't good gameplay. I feel like I wish they should have did what they did with Ocarina of Time And actually had it be like I always felt the last phase of you know Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time Wasn't difficult as difficult as the phase before but at least there was a challenge and like an epicness to it This is like oh, this is epic and then you're like, but it's not there. There's no challenge. There's nothing it also I feel like they would have done it more of a sorry to interrupt you I think we started talking at the same time But I feel like it would have been perfect if they would have done something similar to Shadow of the Colossus To where suddenly like there's this huge Beast Ganon And you're having to try to climb up on top of it or something similar. They did something similar with Twilight Princess Argon Rock was that his name the dragon and then Morphil where you had to like it very very To me very similar to some of the stuff you were doing in Shadow of the Colossus where you have to Attach on to like a certain part and stab it which is what you did on both of those So the plus you have fights even in Breath of the Wild like any time you fight like a stone talus or You know even one of the hynoxes like you can climb them Yeah, you you can hit them in different ways and approach them in different ways There you can't climb climbing again like at all You could sometimes fly and land on top of them, but that just doesn't give you any advantage at all Yeah, I'm like a horse though, and that's super cool right And it would have interested to upgrade of the stables to let you just stable anything that you can mount Yeah, they should have that would have been something that would have got a lot of people excited for DLC Because like especially if you're someone like mounted a bear, they're they're so slow Yeah, because if you if you got it to a stable you should be rewarded Yeah, like I could see them like in the beginning being like no, it'll be too odd if you let Yeah, like put a bear Yeah, and it's like oh due to fan feedback I know you know like I have side quest that upgrade your stable to hold more than horses So something like that I would not be shocked at all if that was a free update down the road I really foresee Nintendo really sticking with Breath of the Wild and riding it as long as they can so I Imagine there's gonna be a lot of free updates rolled out alongside DLC. I I think like Then we'll get into this later Because it's a later topic, but yeah, this DLC pack one and two I think if it does really well then next year we can see DLC pack three and four. Yep 100% Yes, man, maybe that's good that I so we believe that's gonna happen Yeah, so before we get more into the future of Zelda here Obviously with this DLC pack No, one thing I want to know is what about this this first one coming out this week What's the part of it? You're looking forward to the most is like trial of the sword Was it 46 rooms? I think or 48 46 I believe You know is it the master mode is it gonna do costumes? It's definitely the trial the sword for me personally It just looks so cool And I loved the name of the island has escaped me But the island shrine where you have no run around naked and actually like seven time That's so cool And that was that was definitely my favorite part of the entire game probably because it was actually the last thing I did in my playthrough was it just happened to be that island It really changed how I ended up looking at the whole game of like I got so reliant on having my master sword and having All this plus damage gear that suddenly having none of it really may be rethink combat So the fact that I'm gonna have an entire basic Section of the game completely devoted to that challenge is incredibly cool to me Yeah, wasn't event I the island supposed to be like a throwback to Link's awakening Yes, that's actually my favorite one of my favorite Zelda's so that I maybe that's the reason I love it so much Yeah, no, I remember when I first went to event I island I I had I had only Been to Kakariko village at that time And I was just busy exploring right and I saw shrines off in the distance I saw that one shrine on a cliff and then also there's that shrine down in the middle of water that ended up being like a Harder difficulty battle shrine, which I definitely was not ready for so here I am for the first time ever using my amiibo to try to get some extra gear for that fight I finally get that fight down and all of a sudden I'm like, dude, there's an island off over there There's a raft here. Why don't I go check that out? And when I got there, I'm like, well, no, oh strips all your items. I'm like, well if it strips all your items I'm like, how hard can it really be right? How hard can it be? That's the first time I ever saw a high knocks ever For first time that I really experienced like a full base of things like with I have moblins and like I Hadn't explored enough to find bases like this I've never even this first time I saw moblins and this was before all the updates So like the moblins were making things lag really really bad Condit and it's like a base of like two moblins and like I don't what was it six or eight Vocal blends and I'm like, I don't know what to do. What am I supposed to do? They didn't tell me what am I? Okay, there's this hole. I bet there's gotta be something that goes in these holes What what am I even looking for? I had never really even used stasis much outside of the Great Plateau So like there's that one part where you got to move the the rock off the top of the thing I had no idea you could even do that I was on that island for like seven hours trying to figure out how to to even what I'm even supposed to do and that that was actually what made it so great to me was just You experience I experienced that so early on it kind of set the table for the rest of the game We're like, I just don't know what this game's gonna throw at me Yeah, I I found it very early on before I admit any of the divine beasts. I think it was Like maybe a few hours after reaching Kekariko village and then I found that island and I had no clue That it was going to do any of that and I got in there and I was like Where did all my stuff go? What's going on? I'm I'm scared to take that island on a master mode and then I I made the mistake of There's one of the parts were somehow carrying the ball back to the place where you have to sit it in It somehow wound up in the water and every time I tried to grab it It would knock it further and further back into the water and once you go out so far From the island it'll just reset the entire island. So yeah, I had so many Difficulties with it, but it's all difficulties. That's like you should have been smart enough to not do this Yeah, that's that's the thing like when you discovered that early, you know And I don't know because you know Dreamcast guy over there. He discovered it later in the game It's true. It's true. You know a lot of the abilities we had like cryonis and stuff. I've barely been using that stuff So so many of the people like when I when I brought that orb over to that little little island part on Eventide I did it where you know because they had there's a raft on the island You can go get I literally got on that raft and brought it over to create the bridge to put the orb over there And I was like this is taking me so long much you use cryonis I'm like, what the heck is cryonis? Like I even have that ability oh you mean that and later on you know, I did shrines I'm like, oh, yeah, doll you lift things with it and I lift my balls I'm like, oh my gosh that was so much easier But I just I hadn't wrapped my mind around the fact that like this game is built around all these abilities you have and Sadly the first time when I played through it was kind of like I kind of played the game right basically the only ability I use those bombs. Yeah. Yeah, so that's base. That's most of what I did to I used that in magnetism I like whenever I could I just pick up stuff and just battering room And that's why I clear that island island took me about an hour Even with all my hearts and stamina just because even still as soon as you die You're back on shore of the the mainland So I mean I I could pick up boxes and slam people a bit but as soon as it cracked all of a sudden I'm like, well, hi guys, please don't murder me. Yeah I feel that's how I'm gonna approach everything in master mode is On in the beginning areas. I'm like, all right. Where's the metal box? Okay. That's all I'm killing everything that's why I'm excited for the trial of the sword because Like they showed a few of the rooms off and it's not anything like What was it that DLC thing that they added with the wolf link amiibo to Twilight Princess? Oh, yeah, there was some Yeah, there was the similar room in Wind Waker where it was just like going down deeper and deeper into the cave or whatever Cave of ordeals or whatever cable ordeals. That was the one in Twilight Princess Yeah, so like where every room kind of looked the same and those it showed like all the rooms Yeah, that they showed us look different like there was some where you had to use the wind and the Sailcloth the paraglider. Yeah, that's it Yeah, how do you use the paraglider to get from like one side of the room to the other in the first room that you start out in Has trees and stuff you can climb. Yeah, why do you have the great plateau? Yeah, so like if they have rooms to where you're not just fighting enemies, but you are clearing out some puzzles I think that'll be enough to satisfy those people who were wanting like traditional themed dungeons and Breath of the Wild almost in Twilight Princess But we're like if they have a room that you go into and there's a bunch of enemies on the other side But then you have no idea how to get to the other side of the room I think that'll satisfy those people that are craving like going into a new room seeing a challenge or puzzle Not knowing how to do it because in Twilight Princess, especially like you go into the room There's enemies you kill them go down kill the next set of enemies with this Like it pretty much is laid out sort of like you would expect a traditional temple style dungeon in a Zelda game So I'm excited for that You bring up a good point Jesse Which is I think the best thing that's gonna happen with this DLC is that it's gonna really It's gonna really encourage and bring the community back because I know a lot of people have already kind of stepped away from Breath of the Wild A lot of us are still playing it But people did step away because they're just they beat it and they were looking for more to come back and I'm I'm so excited to see all the new stuff that's gonna come out because I just love all the crazy Zelda videos Like one thing I'm actually the most excited about and this is just weird because it doesn't even really fully involve me But I love watching the Zelda Breath of the Wild speedruns They are so cool and I'm already so pumped to see the hero mode speedruns There is gonna be people like Flipping off logs and flying across the map and stabbing Gilda Zelda in the eye somehow by accident. It's gonna be great Yeah, that reminds me and in the hard mode or the master mode, they're gonna have those floating platforms. We're like Reasonable logical explanation, but there's a Hinox for some reason had some Whatever guts and is flying up on a log trying to kill you. That's so great Oh my gosh that one clip those 11 seconds got me more hype than it really should have and then the thought of like being somewhere fighting a golden Lionel and then another golden Lionel just falls from the sky This is like well, I think one thing master mode is gonna do for some of the veterans out there that felt like the game was too Empty is it fixes that problem? Just based on what we even saw them in the Great Plateau like you could hardly move in the Great Plateau without running into Something because there's new enemies everywhere. Oh, remember that water you just kind of swam across they get to the first try Nope, there's two floating platforms and you get shot at by eros have good luck It's like that's at the beginning of the game the rest of the game it It's crazy. What what they're doing like they've they're not not necessarily fixing the enemy variety and also people that wish that there was more variety, but They are Increasing the difficulty in new and unique ways they're gonna make you oh, I have to look up now That's where I'm getting hit And there's chests and stuff I believe yeah on the There they're definitely are the moment that they have There's got probably an area that's gonna have like three golden Lionel just shooting at you floating up And I don't know like the only way to get up there You know say there they're too far out of the range of your arrows So you can't hit it So like you have to create your own floating platform to get up there Yeah, oh god, I would love it They did something like that where you have to get that creative to take them out because that is That is such a high skill level to do that Well, I'm already imagining that I'm gonna like you know the seesaw trick where you like set a chest down put a log Stand on top of the drop up But I already picturing like purposely just spending hours setting up the perfect scenario where I can sit there And right as those jerks come up on their little balloon get ready. I just launch up there like surprise bitch Yeah, I think it's not only is it going to make the game more challenging, but it's going to make it like More unexpected. I can't really think of a word that I'm trying to use But it's gonna make everything like a bit more entertaining just because Like if you're up in like a snowy mountain Then there could be like nothing around in the normal mode But suddenly there's like floating enemies everywhere and you have to look up What is that like is it a Lionel shooting at me? Or is it just a stupid Bacoblin? Yeah, it's it's very interesting Obviously my favorite part of it is You know trial this sort of looks really interesting The only thing the only reason that's not at the top of my list is just because I haven't seen enough of it yet Yeah, I think it's going to be awesome based on what we have seen But what we have seen seems so simple and basic And it should be those are the first rooms out of 40 plus rooms like Obviously has to start out where you're able to gear up a little bit So I'm really interested in like the idea of doing that in master mode It's just gonna be crazy, but it's really the master mode that excites me the most because I You know there was someone who commented on a video I made the other day because it I went into the profile on my switch and it showed I only had 45 hours Played on Breath of the Wild like how do you only have 45? I'm like well cuz I knew master mode was coming So I know based on the how much time I get to play games I'm only 100% in this game one time And I would have been mad if I would have 100% at it before master mode came out because that means I didn't technically do everything And I got to do it all over again So it's like yeah, I'm gonna sink hundreds of hours in in master mode So that's how that's how I was with the Korok seeds a friend of mine was like obsessed with all the Korok seeds And I was like I beat all the shrines. I'm really happy with that. I beat all the dungeons. I got all the best gear I'll worry about the Korok seeds when there's actually gonna be Platforms floating up and new enemies dropping down the wall. I'm trying to solve these basic little puzzles for like little four steps Yeah, yeah, I saved so much content like I only did like 40 shrines and I mean, I beat all the divine beasts and climbing again and also I didn't even find all the memories cuz I'm just like look Oh, yeah, I have nothing like I got to a point where I was basically so geared up that I Guess it's one maybe one of the complaints about the boss of my you get this point We're so geared up that you just don't want to fight you just avoid fighting things. Yeah Yeah, you start just basically walking around just because one they're not gonna kill you in to your items You just don't want to waste your items on it. Yeah So it's just When it once it got to that point and there really wasn't a challenge to me fighting them anymore And the items they dropped weren't gonna be any better than what I had or even close I was like, yeah, I started a boy. I'm like, okay. Well, I've done what I wanted to do There's more I want to see like I haven't even fully explored the map, but I don't care That's a master mode. I'm doing everything like Everything you could possibly do in the game because there isn't gonna be like in a harder mode coming out This is it and so any content that's added to the game after that. I could just play it through master mode Yeah, and that's maybe a good segue into the other DLC coming this year the What is it wait really quick because there is one other thing that I'm sure a lot of people want to hear What's everybody's favorite armor or mask that's coming out of the DLC pack one? The only thing that really jumped out at me was the Majora's mask one I'm a huge fan of the game the rest of the stuff was cool for fans And I'm sure people are gonna enjoy it, but the rest just wasn't for me But that one specifically it just looks so high resolution like it just It seemed like they went back and based it on like unreleased concept drawings It just looked so interesting and so good, but classic man. Totally won me over instantly the problem with that Majora's mask one It makes me want Majora's mask HD. I know I know Well, I still like the 3s version actually was already like obviously it's only 240p I think is the resolution. Yeah, it's still really good Yeah, I would compare some video where I ran it on the emulator and I compared like the original version to a 4k version and Like I know the switch isn't capable of 4k, but just rendering it in like 720 or 1080p Just for like basic HD would be so amazing because the game Like the textures and everything looks great. It's just the resolution is so low on the 3ds, but yeah, it's amazing Fantastic, like they might they wouldn't even have to remake the game They could just port the 3ds version over and it would look great Sure, I feel like so thinking of my favorite new mask or costume thing. I'm gonna go with the phantom costume Not because I'm a big fan of the game. I love spirit tracks. I do not like phantom august I don't know why I'm a polar opposite ends of that. It's just how it's always been but The reason is not just because it looks cool and it's a full armor get up It actually like feels like it almost fits in the game because it has a purpose like it has a tack power plus Yeah, and I was like the other items are either just purely cosmetic or Ones like to help me find Korak seeds and I'm gonna be honest right now I'm looking at a Korak seed map when I play master mode. Yeah, it's just it's just happening I'm gonna know where the Korak seeds are I'm not gonna need to use and I also go that takes away some of the adventure I'm like, yeah, but I I don't have nine hundred hours You know, I already know it's probably gonna take me 300 just to do all of the all the quests and now the new master mode Plus, we know the new DLC coming. I'm just gonna add all new content So it's like I already know I'm gonna be sinking hundreds of hours in I don't have You know forever to just try to figure out where everything is on my own Yeah, and I know for some people that's like that takes away I'm like no for me it would suck knowing that I've reached a point where I got to start playing odyssey I got to start playing more Splatoon 2. I got to start playing, you know fire and the Warriors I guess they're playing all these other Nintendo games and knowing in the back of my mind that I'm never gonna 100% Breath of the Wild because I didn't you know, I was too elite to look at a map So I already know Korak seed wise. I'm cheating because I don't care Yeah, the puzzle part. I'm not gonna cheat like figure out. Oh, tell me how to solve the puzzle to get it No, no, no, no, but I'm gonna at least know the location. So like that Korak mask doesn't matter to me But the Phantom armor looks good and it actually will make a difference for me in the game Whereas the other things I feel like I'm just cosmetic Yeah, it gets me excited Because someone pointed this out to me in a video that I made talking about like bought all of the new masks And armor does I made a complaint that the phantom armor only had a base defense of eight I believe on everything. Yeah, which in my mind I Upgraded everything long ago. So yeah thinking about like that What the base numbers was for everything was like none of that was in my mind and someone pointed out that Yeah, like the eight Defense stat that the phantom armor has is actually higher than anything else in the game So if you do a thing as a base stat, yeah Yeah, like if you are able to upgrade it then it'll have as a complete set the highest defense than anything else Is it is it higher than the ancient armor base? I can look it up. That was the hot. That was the best before I believe for the base set And I think it's the best at max in terms of defense I thought the base of the ancient was 13. Maybe I'm just misremembering Yeah, I can't remember because I never completed the full base set. I only had two of the pieces Again, there's so much still left for me to do that's what's so exciting for me, and I'm gonna be doing it in the hardest I'm gonna be building a new village in the hardest mode because I've never done before. It's gonna be awesome So Yeah, Jesse, did you give your your favorite of all the new ones my favorite? This is obviously Majora's mask just because I'm a fan of the game, but I don't know why I'm I find it's interesting that And they pointed this out in the live stream They did that it is just a replica a lot of these are replicas and not the actual things If you read the description of it, it sounds like it's not a replica Yeah, especially with tingles outfit because it like if you read the descriptions on it It says something like he treasured this shirt or something not he treasured a shirt like this But they made it clear that the Majora's mask in this game is just a replica of the one that used to be or whatever But it only has a defense stat of one and in my head I'm thinking in what world is tingles hat more powerful than Majora's mask Well, it's a set so I mean yeah, but I mean like his hat alone just tingles hat I don't know like has a tune In a world where in a world where the Majora's mask is just a piece of wood that's been carved into and thrown on your face Yeah, it's actually paper. It's like a little paper machete craft little link. Yeah, right? Right, it's basically less quality than the Majora's mask replica. I have sitting on my wall right now Yeah, but I think it's it's really great on Nintendo giving the fans what they want Yeah It's all fan service. Yeah, that's what these masks like you you can literally be any version of link that you want except like kid link But yeah, yeah, like there's the Wind Waker tunic twilight princess ocarina of time the retro tunic Like it's all there like fierce DD Majora's mask It's literally the ultimate fan game in terms of like items included Yeah, but so let's let's move on to the second DLC pack We we don't know a whole lot It's called a champion's ballad It's obviously about the champions something to do with the champions. They have new deal. Yep. I'm sorry new DLC New amiibo coming out of all four of the champions, which looks fantastic Not a surprise though. All the breath of the wild people are pretty fantastic, which is why they also cost more than the standard amiibo price but It's also sad because I know most of you people watching this probably won't be able to get your hands on the amiibo because they're Gonna sell out and not get restocked. Thanks, Nintendo. I Am not one of those. I actually have all the breath of the wild amiibo But I do not have the 30th anniversary Zelda amiibo because I didn't get a pre-order in They're still not restocked. Thanks So I have a little salt with Nintendo This sucks I don't think I'm ever gonna get them unless I make just I make that fat YouTube money and then I then I Overpay on eBay exactly exactly that's probably what's gonna happen. I gotta get those fat stacks going Just become PewDiePie Yeah, yeah throw away millions on overpriced amiibo all the amiibos. Oh, I'm sure so When I think about this DLC coming up the champion's ballad, I really wonder Because it's the story DLC, right? There's gonna be a new story and a new dungeon At least one new dungeon that we know maybe there's gonna be a more they only confirm one. Yeah. Oh and There was an interview that the voice actress for zelda had and they asked her if Nintendo had contacted her about Recording new lines and she said that she can't say anything and I would imagine if she didn't have to record lines She would have just said no that she was working on new projects Yeah, but yeah, it's one of those that like the fat times can't say anything should tell you in 10. Yeah. Yeah wink wink And I'm sure that's true of all the voice actors for this for this DLC Unless the only way it wouldn't have been true is if they already pre-recorded it You know way back when and it's just a bunch of unused lines But I don't think that's the case obviously since we have a pretty good hint that at least the zelda voice actor came back So I I'm very curious what what it's going to be. I'm kind of convinced that It's going to be happening a hundred years ago before link was put in the Thing and I don't I'm almost to a point where I wonder are we even gonna play as link I I don't think we are or my theory my theory like with zero like obviously you guys are like professor Zelda I'm just a zelda fan, and I haven't done any research, but my thought is good like I Have a I have a strong feeling that We're gonna be playing it as the heroes themselves I think it's gonna be a thing where we play as zel as link and then we go to a location And then it like goes Flashback motion, and then we like it to actually play through Like a different variation of the ancient dungeons and what to be interesting if I Don't know if it'll be a different variation of the ancient dungeons per se I think it'll be interesting if it goes in that direction and you get to play as all four of them Because we know all four of them die Yeah, so it's like we got to actually play if we get to play up to the moment where we fail and we die There's no way we can win That would be crazy because zelda's never actually done that like given it to you die no matter what it doesn't matter How good you are you're dying like we already know this knowing Nintendo? I'm sure I'm 100% positive the way they do it is like it's like a two-phase boss and phase two You can't possibly win and phase one is like a different type of Instead of just fighting the boss we actually fought in the main game It'd be like a slightly altered version with different attack animations and stuff So you'd beat that and you're like yeah, I won and then it goes in a super powered mode that ends up Zelda ends up or link ends up fighting later, and that's what kills you Yeah, it's probably I don't even think I'm gonna do that. I don't think that has it in them They're just gonna cutscene it That's my suspicion of The four amiibo they're going to use I Immediately thought in the way that like I believe it's the way that Kaz is like singing or talking in that scene And then like the words they used on screen and everything Put me in the mind that if you tap the amiibo the same way that you can Get wolf link beside you you'll resurrect one of these Champions to help you in battle Sick yeah, or Everyone's just gonna meet as Dreamcast guy was talking like where you could actually play as them I think it'll be something similar to where it'll spawn them next to you as like a non-canon companion character or it'll actually allow you to play as them and Like I talked about something Before Breath of the Wild released because the first thing that Alanuma said about Zelda Wii U as they used to be known is that he didn't want you to think of it as a single-player game now We know 100% it is a single-player game, but after they showed the wolf link amiibo and how it Functioned in the game in my head I was thinking oh this would be really cool If like on the Wii U or the switch whatever you're playing on if you could be playing as link and then instead of the computer Playing as the AI or as wolf link if the second player could pick up a controller because it wouldn't take anything away from the game It would be completely optional. It would literally change absolutely nothing about the game Except the second player is controlling wolf link instead of the computer where wolf links already optional so like a Lot of people are complaining that they're charging for this DLC It should have been in the game to begin with if they did something towards like oh For the DLC you didn't know about this, but now it's multiplayer Which is what Alnuma said he wanted to do from like the very first thing that he said about the game And then there was an interview where he said That he wanted to do something like try force heroes with the breath of the wild engine and having DLC would be a way for him to Test out fan reaction to a multiplayer traditional style Zelda game Yeah So something earlier you said which really hit a note with me And I actually think you may be dead on is The idea of summoning them as a companion or maybe taking their form for like 30 seconds or a minute that a hundred percent sounds correct One of my my best friends is obsessed with Dark Souls and it definitely seems like there There are a lot of like echoes of Dark Souls in a breath of the wild and that's one thing you do with Dark Souls It's like if there are certain areas where you're actually allowed to summon a Companion whether it be AI or a real player and I imagine that it'd be AI but it also there's also the ability in Dark Souls of taking special forms for a short time There's people who actually like spec I could totally see the idea of you are still link You're not actually becoming these figures But that actually makes perfect sense of like you wave the amiibo and you get to take on their avatar for a minute I'm actually curious if Cuz like you guys you guys bring up some some awesome ideas, I never thought of but I mean I'm still convinced that like this happens a hundred years ago and I wonder if Like if they keep it as link It's going to be showing the journey of link and Zelda recruiting the champions And getting them to be part of this whole thing because if you think about in the future all these people blame link Like especially in the Zora area. It's his fault. Yeah, they're they're racist Like they're they're very they're very they're like the only characters in breath of the wild that I can think of that Are just straight-up racist. Well, but their racism is based on the fact that they blame like yeah for me for dying and If you think about it, that means that link was really I mean obviously we know that Mipha, you know has feelings for links So there's that whole side of things but spoiler warning for those who who didn't get past the Zora area yet But the it's really interesting I think if they went down the path where well, we're not going to take you away from link But instead we're going to show you the journey of recruiting these champions and why these champions are so dedicated To this cause And then that obviously brings it back. You know, what are the amiibos gonna do? I think it would be extremely disappointed if the amiibos just did with the other amiibos, dude You just get dropped some random stuff from this guy So I think they could easily do that again. That's a cop out as for people who don't think that This DLC should have been included in the original game or it should have been included. I I Disagree I Understand on the hard mode aspect because Nintendo is kind of starting to make that standard with Zelda There's always a hard mode, but I also think that There's things we have to consider with this game like when they could have made the hard mode part of the game They were actually porting it to switch It was probably one or the other at the time I think a lot of these modes this content was created after they were already done with the game Yeah, like especially with the dungeon that they're working on like as soon as they announced a new dungeon for the DLC in my head I was thinking well, it's gonna take a year for it to come out because they actually have to create this dungeon Yeah, well even think about the you know what we're talking about. Oh, this content should have been included in the game Well, I think about the new story in the new dungeon coming in the ballad of the goddess It's like that's our ballot of the champions. Whatever When like goddess, sorry. There's some of these goddesses stuck in my head When when they do that If it's like look if that was already done content that should have been included in the game We won't you just got a trailer at E3 that just showed the same stuff from the game already Uh-huh Like it was literally just images flashing images from the game and flashing official art and then having cast upon a hill Yeah, so it's like Clearly if they had something to show they would have shown it to drive hype They don't have it to show yet. Yeah, there was there was also an interview with Alanuma I believe with game informer, but I'm not sure who it was. It was before the DLC was actually announced Yeah, but someone asked Alanuma if he had any Thoughts on DLC or if there would be releasing DLC for Breath of the Wild and he said that Like one of those Generic PR answers it's like at this time we have nothing to announce But then he also said if he was to create DLC in the game it would be because He said something along the lines of he fell in the world He fell in love with the world of Hyrule that he's created in Breath of the Wild and he feels that even though the game's coming out Which I'm sure every developer has this problem He feels there's more that he could have added to it to like to try to make it perfect I mean, there's always ideas that they make it in or deadlines that cause them to cut content That that's a hundred percent what I think this is and it's why I'm so happy to pay for it I do not in mind I'm actually completely against all the people who say that this should have been included I you can very clearly tell because You know what I mean So feel free and really tweet me but and I'll defend this but I think that the very unique direction of this I think it's very obvious to me that the entire game was done They were very very happy with how well-rounded and complete breath of the wild is but then they're still sitting there with all these ideas All these little scraps of extra plans they had so then they just kept working at be like, you know what let's give them some crazy masks Let's make weird Bogoblin blimps that are going along just to screw up your day And let's make an entire new area where you start out naked and go through 49 Roots like that is all stuff that I 100% no did not even start until the game was out of final testing and Frickin this new stuff all the the adventure of the the champions that looks cool, too I don't know. I I don't like the idea of people want everything to be free This is great content and we're supporting Nintendo making more great content. So hell, yeah Yeah, I think the people that are that are salty about this are the same kind of people that just think DLC like paid DLC in General is bad. Yeah, and I don't know who I don't know when this I mean I know there's certain companies that have abused it of course like oh god Yeah, there's tons of companies that have made paid DLC have a bad reputation But it's not always bad like back when I was a kid. It wasn't called DLC They're called expansion pack. Yeah, you paid 40 bucks for those things Yeah, and I'll clean up. I was originally supposed to have one Yeah, like people didn't mind paying 40 bucks like the age of empires I expanded that thing like three times for 40 bucks a pop It didn't it didn't matter to me that the amount of content you got made the whole game feel like brand-new again Which was amazing. It really made that game have legs for years instead of just being this game But you get for a month and then it's in the discount bin which it happens with a lot of games these days the way I look at it Sorry to interrupt you know, I was gonna say like the way that I look at it Especially with Zelda like with Assassin's Creed or a call of duty or something it gets annoying Like there's a new game every year and then you have DLC Releasing right up until like a month or two before the next game cut out, but with the Zelda It's like Twilight Princess took four or five years to come out Skyward Sword took another five years to come out Breath of the Wild took six years I believe to come out five and a half years to come out It's like would you rather Breath of the Wild just release and that be it and then like five six years from now You play whatever they've been working on since then or would you want them to be like hey? 90% of our team is working on the next Zelda game look forward to it But until that happens We have this small team of five ten people working on this thing that didn't get finished or this ideal They had but couldn't complete before the game came out So we're going to give you this with the team that still worked on Breath of the Wild But you you're also going to get the next Zelda game that's currently being worked on when it's finished See, I think a lot of people's counter argument is gonna be well We shouldn't have to wait six years from the next it should be every three And I mean, you know if other studios like they can get uncharted out every two to three years Yeah, you can sell though Well, I think and there's a whole lot of reasons that Zelda is always taking a long time You know changing engines all the time changing platform like it's difficult. Yeah Someone it's a Nintendo. I mean some of it's on the Zelda team. They make it more difficult than it needs to be but I Think this is a good way to segue into our last topic because we've already briefly talked on it a little bit Well, the future of Zelda after the steel sees out You know, I what's gonna happen? I think I think they already have A lot of plans written on a chalkboard somewhere in Japan for what the next main game is gonna be But I think next up we're gonna get another remake or a port I think we're gonna get like Skyward Sword. I would sort of eat cheese do yes Yeah, I think we're gonna get that or or I and I base this on nothing But I would love to see a Wind Waker port or remake or something like that's still one of my favorite ones And I imagine like we've seen them already completely invent several 2d Zelda engines I feel like combining like the link between worlds engine with Links awakening just smush those together like a delicious peanut butter jelly same which you'd sell 10 million copies Yeah, we probably would sell 10 million no Zelda's ever sold 10. Oh, yeah Maybe breath of the wild be the first that would be amazing I think it's what Nintendo has always stated publicly in the past like they want a Zelda game to hit that 10 million We'll see that would be really good not just for Nintendo, but for any first-party game That's just releasing on like one platform to reach 10 million. That'd be really good Yeah, and we'll see I mean I breath of the wild might be just be that tentpole game where for years every person That buys a switch just buys that game to go with yeah, especially if Nintendo does something in like two years from now When like breath of the wilds now like a $20 game, which Nintendo never really does But like if they ever made that like a pack-in game like how you can go in by PlayStation 4 with Uncharted 4 like if you could get just bundle it Yeah, like especially for this holiday season, which they're probably not gonna do that because it's still I could see them. I could see them next holiday season doing a breath of the wild Yeah, but I think if any game has a chance It's breath of the wild because they already released a statistic that like more breath of the wild switch copies We're sold than actual Nintendo switches. Yeah in that first month I'm actually really curious this week and might be happening right now we're supposed to be getting a sales update on Switch and breath of the wild and all that stuff at a meeting in Japan besters meeting Yeah, I think that's actually happening tonight or tomorrow. I have to look it up But it's so like who knows that that statistic still might be going on me There still might be more especially in North America where switches seem to be the hardest to find. Yeah But as for future Zelda games or Zelda's future in general I've made yep a couple of different videos where I talked about this, but I honestly believe that like next year is 2018 it'll be the 20 no 20 wait. Yeah, 20 year anniversary of Ocarina of time Yep, I think that'll be the perfect time more perfect than probably any other time to Release an HD version and the work's already done for them like if they can take games as complicated as Like a Wii U game like Hyrule Warriors or the Yoshi's Wally world port them to a 3ds, which is Far inferior than a Wii U and they would have absolutely No difficulty taking a simple 3ds game and putting it on an Nintendo switch like They might have to recode some stuff. Yeah, but like they'd have to re-text your because Funny thing about the port that is it's actually easier to downscale than it is to upscale upscale You have to create entirely new assets. Yeah, yeah, I like I fully expected that to happen because Like they said with Breath of the Wild the reason it took so long The reason it had so many delays was because they kept on having issues with the physics engine They've released Breath of the Wild so To them maybe it still needs a few minor adjustments, but for the most part it's already perfected which means The hard work's already done if they want to use the same art style They have like textures for the grass the overworld buildings all of that so they don't really need to recreate any new textures So they can just like lay out the floor map for like new temples or new dungeons and then use like the old Textures for the walls and the grass and everything and have pretty much the game already there similar to what they did with Lockerina of Time To Majora's Mask and the way Breath of the Wild ends with Am I am I allowed to spoil? It's been a couple of months. Yeah, we're fine. This is this is a Zelda TV show They're not if you're afraid of spoilers you probably shouldn't be watching all right Well, I I'm not sure if it's the true ending or just the normal ending that you get But I know one of them when it ends It's Zelda Link talking in the middle of Hyrule Field Zelda's looking at the Sheikah Slate and she's like oh the divine beast is Messed up we let's go check on it link and then like she says something about talking to The Kings or whatever his name is Mipha's father So then yeah, you head out in his direction and the game ends and that yep like Nintendo set that up to where it's like either the DLC is going to hint at something that happens after the game Ends or the next game is going to pick up two or three months or a week or something after the game ends so Like at least that's what the ending tells me but before we get that because that'll probably be like 2019 2020 I think like Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask HD like putting the game on the switch makes perfect sense Doing like a combo pack of Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD on the same cartridge Like a lot of people would complain being like oh I already bought this on the Wii U Why do I have to buy it again on the switch? But if it's both on the same cartridge then that would be more of like just uh for something just a note on that for people who complain about rebuying No one's making you rebuy it. Yeah, you still own your Wii U. Just play it. Yeah No, you don't have to get it again But like the the thought of playing Wind Waker on the go in HD or Twilight Princess on the go in HD So like any of those four games like the 3d remakes or the Wii U HD remakes Any of those would be good as like a holdover game until Whatever the follow-up to Breath of the Wild is and then what a lot of people don't realize is that while Like Smash Brothers may only have one team that works on the game Metroid may only have one team If any that works on those games Zelda and Mario specifically at all times has two different teams working on two different games So like there's the handheld Mario and Zelda teams and then there's the home console Mario Traditionally yeah Breath of the Wild combined the teams and the link between worlds was made by an outside studio in Grezzo So but but still that that proves that Nintendo is in a phase where they don't mind throwing anybody and everybody At any situation, but they always they always like to have several buns in the oven. Yeah. Yeah, no I know I got what he was saying I was noting that yeah technically the team that like did all that stuff wasn't the main Zelda team But that I mean that's not a bad thing They had a they have one one of their Zelda guys was directing it and everything so you know same with triforce heroes Well, typically there's the handheld team. Yeah, it wasn't until Breath of the Wild that they yeah, and if like I believe Like if you look back until Bantel Mourglass It was two years until Spirit Tracks released which Spirit Tracks did basically the same thing Majora's Mask did where it reused a lot of the same Yeah characters and stuff. So so would say too many Yeah, so and then it was I think it was two or three years three years I think until a link between worlds came out and then it was two years after a link between worlds came out that we got Triforce heroes, so like if you follow the pattern for the past new for handheld Zelda games then This year or next year Which obviously not this year because the three's already came and went but I think next year is a strong case for the next big 2d Zelda game, which Alanuma hinted at Just just as a just to note. It was almost five years between Spirit Tracks and only between worlds big Spirit Tracks came out in 2009 and Look between worlds came out at the end of 2013 What am I thinking of then? Maybe I got confused with that skyward sword come out in 2011 And then they had Hyrule Warriors Ocarina was between them Ocarina was in the launch year was 2012 wait no no that was 2011 too wasn't it? That's the launch year 3ds So it's 2011 summer of 2011. Maybe that's why I was getting confused Yeah, either way So that's when they started the ocarina time is when they started doing the remake thing. Yeah, so they anyways They we should be expecting in the next year or two a new 2d Zelda game which Alanuma was asked about in an interview and he said that he wanted to find a way to Evolve what a 2d Zelda game is which is something he's already done Or at least in my opinion. He's already done because yeah link between worlds and Triforce heroes were already Fully realized 3d Models it was just yeah, the camera was fixed. So it looked 2d or 2.5d So I don't know what Alanuma means by he wants to evolve what a 2d Zelda game is but So I've already done that See I disagree and he hasn't done that that he's just doing what everyone else does with those style of top-down games now It's it's all 2.5d 3d models. They did it with spirit tracks. They did it with phantom hourglass It was just lower resolution models. So like it's not really an evolution. It's the same gameplay style Just with you know Better-looking models today like they couldn't do that back in the day. It had to be 2d flat So what to me that's not an evolution. That's like going from that. I mean Time was an evolution if you were if you were look at a 2d zelda that really pushed boundaries I think minnish cap is one that's overlooked a lot But that shrinking and growing really changed the mechanics of the game and it added in also It's a weird puzzle sure stuff and I I think that maybe he means something like that again I'm something where the way you look at the game at the start totally changes the way you look at the game at the end So maybe I'm just shooting in the dark. Yeah. No, no, yeah Well, I know between we're like this isn't a knock on these games other way I just don't like we need the wall merging mechanic. That was really cool. You couldn't we see that in uh mario odyssey's like Borrowing that yeah, but it was kind of one of those things where I didn't really feel that as an evolution. Um the game literally plays gameplay wise exactly like the games did back in the 90s Like like that's not an evolution when at least to me when the gameplay is exactly the same You didn't evolve anything. You just made it look prettier. Okay. Um, so that's just my it's just my opinion But what would you consider like an evolution? for 2d style zelda games Well, what they did was zelda too, uh, but But I mean that's something completely different Yeah, I believe you said that was your favorite zelda games or one of your favorites Breath of the Wild is now my favorite, but it was yes, it was my favorite until Breath of the Wild Yeah, so getting into that's what everyone said outside of uh, daniel apparently loves zelda too just as much as I do So I have one other person One one on my side. Um, I don't know if he's completely on my side I don't know if he knows how low ocarina of time is on my list but uh You know, just just because you said a lot of things there jesse Um, which is good. That's good. That's usually me dominating all the conversations. So I like other people doing it I think the future of zelda, um, you know, you kind of laid out a roadmap there. Some of it. I agree with Uh, I think next year I I don't think there is more dlc coming for Breath of the Wild. I think this is it Um, I know briefly someone mentioned earlier. I think it was um, the dream cast guy over there about Them having, you know, another couple dlc packs next year. I I think in lieu of that we're going to end up getting Uh, scobber sword hd next year just because it's been a little bit since we've had a remake And that's the last of the 3d games to be remade and since the switch supports motion controls It now makes sense to to bring scobber sword over it's a cheap thing they do They can have another outside studio take care of that for them Uprising all the models. So I think that's what they're going to do for zelda next year Uh, I don't I'm in a confusing place at what they're going to do with handheld zelda Like we talk about 2d We're really talking about handheld zelda because they don't make 2d zelda's really on consoles anymore Um, they have four stars adventures was kind of an outlier that they don't do that very often So I I wonder if The only thing I could think that they might do is because Ejin I was really into this multiplayer zelda idea I'm wondering if he's just going to stick with 2d zelda games to kind of be like his multiplayer playground uh because I don't know I think everybody now after Breath of the Wild They don't want a 2d zelda on their switch They want the next big zelda game If they do it it's going to have to be so startlingly different that it's still a must buy Like I think if they manage to make a zelda maker, which is something that people have talked about being basic It's basically impossible to make a zelda maker just because there are so many Mechanics and pieces that would have to be woven together. It's not possible. Have you heard have you heard of a game called legend maker? Yeah, no, I haven't Okay, so there's this guy he started a Kickstarter, but he originally called the zelda maker himself then obviously changed it So you can shut down by the nintendo. Um, it's literally a build your own 2d zelda game And I've I've played the active demo to have of it. It's not impossible. This guy on his own made it happen Yeah, you have enemies you make dungeons you make puzzles Like it's literally you're making a 2d zelda game. It's so cool plus. There's also zelda classic Which is let you make your own zelda game for like 15 years Yeah, fun fact like even longer 20 years for those that may not know The first zelda game was intended. It was designed for you to make your own dungeons Yeah, yeah, so I'm not I didn't mean to instantly shut you down. It's just when nintendo said that excuse I'm like, oh my god. I could already go make my own zelda game. Yeah I think that their fear is and I'm only I'm only speaking because every time I I do believe that exists And will happen, but every time I say that on a podcast I get hundreds of tweets saying that I'm an idiot So I'm counteracting myself pre-emptively this time, but um, I 100 think it's it's possible and may happen I I'm an amic extremely on board with it. I think that nintendo's fear is that if the system isn't totally foolproof They're gonna have a service full of broken dungeons on day one and that's what they're terrified of Well, that's what they took care of that with mario by saying you have to be able to beat it before you can upload it Has to be beatable or you can't upload it like like that But that's all they make it. Oh you make your own like say it's a dungeon maker make your own dungeon Well, you can't upload it unless you personally can beat the dungeon Yeah, but I think they're afraid of like a switch A series of switches that you have to like freaking put funky town in there or something It's like oh the entire song perfectly the dungeon's unbeatable. Like how would I know that? Well, I mean, have you played? I don't think they're afraid of that if you see some of the levels Yeah, if you see some of the levels of mario maker, I don't think that's a concern I think like if if a dungeon gets too many downvotes or too many flags or whatever Then I think it gets buried anyways. Yeah. Yeah, like they only feature the ones that people actually care to play But it's yeah, I'm not too worried about that just just basically how they handle mario maker I'm not too worried about like if they ever release a zelda maker or a zelda dungeon maker You know if they want to just stick to just dungeons. I don't think they're too worried. I don't think that's a concern So and I think fans have already proven the concept can happen But that I think like if we're talking 2d, I think that might be what he means by You know doing something different like To me, it's really hard for mario right now to go back to 2d now that mario maker came out Because anybody can make their own mario levels in 2d And there's so many clever ones out there that nintendo would never even attempt that it might feel like any other future 2d mario game feels a little bit lesser than levels people can already play mario maker So I could see that potentially being like look we're not going to really make 2d zelda games anymore But we're going to give you the ability so you can make your infinite number on your own And we'll just update that periodically with with some new dlc. You know or whatever. I think that may be Kind of what they did with mario odyssey to where it's like It's the full 3d mario game, but then it has those 2d mario elements in it to satisfy the people who are fans of both Yeah, it's more so like hey, we know we can't really do this and like on its own game But here you go. We'll throw some What we'll show we could still have that classic level feel but we're not making a whole game out of it because We know that you know the appeal of that is just not going to be there right now So and it could come back if they'd never port mario maker to switch Well, the appeal is going to come back because switch owners obviously aren't playing mario maker Uh, which I don't know why they wouldn't port that to switch It feels like a no-brainer to me But I think you know, so next year I think it's going to be skyward sword And I do think they are making a quick turnaround game for breath of the wild I think they always planned that if the game took off they were going to major as my ass this thing And have a sequel come out two years later Um, and I think the dlc was just to keep people playing for a year And I know it wouldn't make even more sense to have dlc for another year But I think nintendo wants to avoid that oh we run dlc up until the new game thing that multiplayer games do Multiplayer games it makes sense to do with it because you want to keep your player base breath of the wild the single player game Those fans are coming back the next time a game comes out Yeah, and the heart mode is enough to bring people that like quit the game Or we already beat it moved on to like bring them back. So Yeah, so I think I think we're looking at skyward sword hg I think we're seeing our breath of the wild two or some spin-off or something in uh In 2019 I think by the end of that we're gonna get something like that Just based on I mean that there's not a lot to say it's going they've only really done it with spirit tracks and Uh major is mass like it's not something they've done often But I think when they did do it it was off of two massively popular games at the time Our creative time was the best-selling Zelda game ever made Bring out major is mass at the time phantom hourglass was the best-selling handheld Zelda game ever made Let's do spirit tracks and right now breath of the wild is the most successful launch game they've ever made Time for another Zelda game based on that engine um and I mean there's exciting things about it because obviously with it being a sweat. I'm assuming to be switch exclusive Um, you know, they'll be able to do things like if they want to uprest that some of the textures If they want to do like a lot of the issues that that they had to hold back because of we you um, they'll be able to get rid of now, but uh, it's something that I think is exciting because E.J. Anuma in the past always said he wants to get a new zelda game out every three years It's always been his goal new console zelda every three years. It's like never happened I remember that's always been a goal. There's an interview when scoured sword came out tour It's like we know we took forever There i'm paraphrasing, but he's like I know we took forever with scoured sword But i'm really hoping we can get like a three years zelda cycle to cycle to be the new Development that arm that arm yeah, and that obviously didn't happen But a lot of that doesn't happen because they keep rebuilding engines They keep you know built starting from scratch with nothing and I feel like I feel like with the engine they've created in breath of the wild I feel like it's going to be one that they reuse over and over over again They might not use reuse the art assets, but the actual engine that powers the whole game Yeah, because I think they're really happy with this engine and You know if they just keep reusing it and expanding it I think you're going to see you know the breath of the wild two just to build off the hype of breath of the wild in two years or in 2019 and then After that I won't be surprised if it's three years till the next zelda Like a whole new one that breaks away from breath of the wild just using the same engine as the backbones for it Because one thing ijinomu has said Is that he thinks or at least he feels like all future zelda games are going to be open world You're not going to rebuild an engine every time you want to make open world zelda games Uh, we're going to be waiting like 10 years between zelda games That'd be so costly Yeah, I mean even if the sales end up justifying in the end Like I think breath of the wild sales are probably already justified it Um, it's just not something like why would you do that when you already have the the framework to just keep making them? Yeah, um, and you then you could focus on improving it adding new ideas like new You know Stuff into the physics engine or whatever Um, but anyways, I think they're going to do that and I I don't think I don't know what what they're going to do after 2019. I don't even know if I can even think that far ahead Um, I know jesse talked a lot about ocarina of time and draws mask. I think uh those coming They're easier to bring to hd than any 2d game like if they want to make a link to the past hd You're basically making a whole brand new game You're trying to final fantasy 7 that where they're basically recreating final fantasy 7 and hd From scratch, which is really difficult to do even if you already know, you know, the locations and you have something to base it on um I don't think I think ocarina of time makes sense to to remake again and hd. I just don't know I don't know if it's something they could trust an outside studio to do Um, because unlike like twilight princess and the wind the windbreaker had a timeless graphic style and the main zelda team is the one who did the windbreaker hd um twilight princess uh, if you look at it, it Yeah, tantalus, um Even twilight princess was a lot easier to bring into to realize in an hd format Um, because you weren't dealing with 240p assets, right? You're dealing with 480p Um, and just re skinning that you're almost doing what people do in Uh, the all this unreal engine four stuff they import the models and re skin them Um, so that's kind of like what they did with twilight princess hd, which it looks great You know, I don't know it didn't feel like it had as much love put into it as the windbreaker hd But it also wasn't the main zelda team. So I mean, you're not going to expect that kind of quality from a different team Um, you know, which is why i'm worried about metropine four, but this isn't right here to talk about metroid um But I I think uh, I think it's a lot more difficult than what jesse said about uh to to bring it because I The only way it's not difficult is if those assets that they made for ocarina time 2d were originally made in hd and then downscale if they were not made in hd And they were only made in 240p You can't just upscale them you have to literally recreate those entire assets Which means you're basically recreating the entire game Except for the code base because you can run it on the same code base Port that over the engine can be ported over, but you still have to recreate all the assets all over again um And I It can be done Obviously people do it all fans try to do this all the time. Why do you think they're trying to recreate our creative time in unreal engine 4? Yeah But I mean there's a lot there's a big difference to make it a thing look pretty and make it run I think ocarina time is going to eventually it's going to happen, right? Ocarina time hd is happening someday I don't know if it's happening in the switches lifespan not at least not this first switch if there's a switch to someday maybe on that Just because I think nintendo's focus right now is going to be how instead of us Putting filler games out there, right? Let's go new game remake new game remake I think they want to figure out a way to make new games come more often um And which is what I said, I think breath of the wild 2 In 2019 and then a new Zelda game three years after that might be the goal um And not like the arbitrary goal like scabbard sober. It's like we want to do it But that's not gonna happen. I think it's one we're like no we are going to do it like Bank it three years from now. Yes, we're famous for delays But look we said breath of the wild 2 we announced it came out same year so we could do it um That's what I think's going to happen That's what I want to happen to be honest Plus I would love to sit here have a good time hd in 2020, but I don't think it's going to happen, but Anyways, I haven't heard much from dreamcast on the future of zelda. What what's going on my man? Oh, I did I outlined all my future predictions about 30 minutes ago when started this time I think mine went went on a little bit too long. So it kind of made his I'm just like, when am I gonna get get a say in here? Jesse's just going, huh? He's got he's got the whole he might as well just work for the zelda team. He's got it all figured out No, like that I it was just a video that I made to where it was like, okay Before we knew anything about the dlc in my head. I was like, what does 2016 look like for zelda? What is 2017 18 19? And in my head, I was thinking well if they do at least one game a year Then breath of the wild obviously coming out 2017 2018 Makes sense for a 20 year anniversary. So It's it's a nice it's a nice pipe dream if nothing else. Yeah. Yeah Um, do any of you guys think we're getting more breath of the wild dlc after this year? I think if the dlc does like amazingly well to where there's over a 50 Attach rate to where over half of the people that buy the game buy the dlc Then they might do something where they release something else, but Who knows especially if it's something like I'm sure there's designs or Something concepts where a full dungeon was like 80 completed before they was like, you know, that may not work With the final concept of this game, which which happens a lot in every single game Like we're we're about to get to crash the new crash insane collection on ps4 And there's gonna be there's rumors that they're gonna be dlc That there was like unfinished maps for each game and they're just gonna finally finish those Yeah, so I think like in a year's time if they're like Really money hungry, then they're going to be like, you know We made a few million dollars on all of that dlc we released and we have this dungeon that's like 80 complete that we could just Fix maybe a week or two and release to get another million dollars So I think there's always that possibility, but yeah, I mean, I don't think that exact scenario will exist Nintendo if you remember what they do with the wind waker, right? We know for a fact They have said many times they had a cut content from the wind waker Yeah, well wind maker hd was coming out like oh, we're gonna get that content back I'm like, well, we already brought it back in future Zelda games Um, so like if they have a dungeon 80 done to me breath of the wild too makes the most sense to use Yeah, especially if it didn't fit in with the game in the first place did did you see uh Sorry, like that just reminded me of um During their gdc conference. I believe that was when it was when it showed like the aliens attacking with link running away Yep, like I think that would have been awesome to include in the game Well, I mean that the majora's mask so like they have a bunch of unused ideas, obviously Um, what what I think obviously outside of whatever they want to say for breath of the wild too I think it's gonna I don't even know if sales are gonna determine if they're gonna do more dlc I think they already know right now Uh, because if they're doing story dlc because I don't think they're going to see a big uptick with this new dlc Right, like the most of people are going to get this first pack are going to be people that already knew about it um because A lot of people don't think 20 bucks is worth it for this first one But the next one if it comes out Even if it's not big sales right away, but it comes out and people like dude Have you seen this new story mode like it just added a hundred more hours with the content to the game People are going to be all over that um, and If that ends up being good and ends up being great I think nintendo already has a roadmap where they're like well, look we already have another story to tell Um, and this is the the other thing I think could happen with zelda And I don't know how I don't know how fans would would be receptive of this But it could just be for like this entire generation of the switch They don't plan to release a new zelda game. They plan to just continue to expand breath of the wild Uh, and that that's something I I wonder if they're thinking of that right now Maybe I don't know that that doesn't really seem nintendo style. It doesn't it doesn't seem their style But I wonder if they decided to do that would fans be okay, which just that being like hey look We just have more to tell on this world. So we're going to keep doing it We've seen a couple a couple of companies trying to experiment with that most recently the hitman Game where they like released it episodically and it did not do the well for them financially So I I think that since so many companies have experimented with it and failed Nintendo's smart enough to be like we can make a billion dollars every time we release a main one It's worth spacing through your five years apart. Sure. Well, it also depends like um You know, I don't even like no one's going to view this as episodic I don't think like breath of the wild feels like a complete game Yeah, um, but I think if they give if this dlc this story dlc ends up being like As good as the dlc that like the witcher three got Um, because the original witcher three game feels complete. It doesn't feel like you're missing anything Yeah, but that dlc almost felt like an expansion pack, right? It was like new game plus like like We're we're doubling the size of the game for 20 bucks. Enjoy. I think it literally like if you took all of the dlc Like even that one dlc pack on its own But like if you just took all of the dlc pack, yeah That literally is like a second story just dropped in. That's the exact same link of the first story But they they they doubled the size of the game over two like within a two-year span of that game being out there and Um, I wonder if breath of the wild is kind of like one of those things where maybe it won't be the entire Life span of the switch who knows how long the switch could be still a big thing six years from now Who knows? Yeah, but if it could be one of those things where I wonder if it is going to be the game with them Like look, this is really really popular And this dlc released did really really huge people really really loved it What if we just keep releasing bigger dlc like that once a year? Until we're ready to release as all the game. I've personally I I would be happy with it like they said they brought on Um, a lot of the I think it was a hundred people 200 people that worked on xeno blade Yep, they basically brought over the whole team from monolith. It was once they decided they were coming to switch. They're like, we need help Yeah, so like If they did that again to where they're like, hey, we're gonna work on this next Zelda game and then they got someone they've trusted like uh, grezzo who'd remade uh Ocarina Majora's mask. Yeah. Yeah try four serials and they've actually They've done a lot with zelda. It's almost like that's our new it's their new cap kind of Yeah Yeah, I think uh, their multiplayer game did a lot better than cap coms Anyways, what which multiplayer didn't they they worked on try four serials, didn't they? Yeah, yeah, what about it? I was saying like it did better than uh cap. Oh then four swords. Yeah, then four swords Um, I would actually want to know because try four serials did not do very well But I'm wondering I wonder what uh four sort adventure not not like the four sorts attached to the length of the past You never you don't know how well that would have did on itself. But how did how well did four sorts of ventures? I feel like I heard really bad I think it's the lowest selling one of the lowest selling One of the lowest selling game cube and one of the lowest selling zelda games. I Yeah, it didn't even sell on the story. It's sold 800,000 units. Okay Well, I don't even blame it on the story It's that it's a multiplayer game that required a ton of peripherals and extra devices. Yeah, but like It's basically crystal chronicles didn't yeah, and just like crystal chronicles was crippled. Well crystal chronicles is amazing By the way, it's one of my favorite games like ever But god you need so much crap to play it with your friends. Yeah Oh, it's not like you just need like a connection cable. No, no, no, you need a cable. You need multiple game boys It's like, oh my god. This is why I only played four sort of ventures by myself because it was too complicated Yeah, um I think they did something cool whenever they released Was it like the dx version or just the 3ds version of uh, they linked to the past four swords They brought it to the 3ds one year. I thought that was really cool sales of triforce. Yeah triforce heroes outsold it It sold 1.2 million um But again, I also think triforce like it's kind of like a different time different place I think if four sorts of ventures came out today and was online multiplayer instead of local Yeah, even better local multiplayer. We could just use four joy con controllers. Oh, that would be cool I think I think it would have sold way more than 800,000 units. I think it was very limited by one It was on gamecube, which wasn't very popular Uh, and two it was really really difficult to play multiplayer on it Yeah, and it was advertised as a multiplayer game like triforce heroes is like now You just pick up and play with people online. Yeah, so nate Um, yeah, I have two quick questions. Uh, it kind of ties into this and these questions I've never seen to be quick. Yeah, okay. We'll hold a whole boat before we start this I I have to run. I only had an hour to be on the podcast. I do. Yeah. No, it's cool I've got another like four hours to work before do before bed, but thank you so much for having me No, no, thanks. Thanks for joining. Um, I don't I hopefully it's not gonna last much longer No, no, no, but seriously what thanks for being here until the inquiries, man It's been fun. If everybody wants to look me up. I'm just dreamcast guy And it's been great talking. Always nice to meet new people Yep, and I'll I'll get you my email so you could just send me your your file whenever it's ready Sure. Sure. All right, everybody have a great one. Yep. You too. Nice. See you dreamcast What are you got for me bud? So what's your question? So my two questions is Ones that I have fun asking everybody one is uh Like with the nintendo being more lenient than they used to be I think I may have asked you this on a live stream that I did, but I'm sure your audience would That was like a year ago. Yeah, so like after last d3 last year Like if nintendo allowed another third party to work on a zelda game Who would you want it to be because in the past they've had capcom? Obviously make minish cap Uh four swords and some of those they had a group that grezzo a triforce Zero's they had tantalists do twilight princess hd right and then we also had Well high roll warriors was probably yeah, but I mean that's a side game Like I must say I don't count it's not like it's a side dish. It's like the tingle games. It's like, yeah I mean they're cool. They exist, but that's not why people buy zelda games. Yeah So basically, yeah, if nintendo is just focused on breath of the wild and its sequel Who would you want to be working on another like in-between game whether it was 2d Like a new like a brand new zelda game not like a remake. Yeah, like someone releasing a brand new Minish cap. Oh, yeah, like oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm a new mainline zelda game. Um Hmm I mean my real answer is no one. I would just like zelda to come out every three years. That would be nice but um Assuming that they're going to reach out or would be willing to reach out I I'm not sure I almost think that they would reach out to Uh, one of the top tier indie developers that they work with Um, as an example the company behind shovel knight could make a very interesting kind of zelda 2 sequel um With nintendo funding, I think that can end up being a really amazing experience um And it might even it might be even a mainline game that nintendo decides they want to do e-shop only and just have heavy promotion for it Um, just because it's cheaper to get out there and then they don't have to worry about, you know, making physical copies. Yeah um But I mean I I think something like obviously I also love zelda 2 so I kind of have an affinity for them to make like a true sequel to that um but I plus I mean I love shovel knight and everything they've done with that series. It's awesome So I I think that's the direction I would prefer that they go in Um, because I find it hard To bring in like a big triple a kind of publisher and tell them you're just here's your involvement with zelda You get to make something really dinky with no budget Um, like to do with capcom because back then those kind of games were more normal like like even You know game boy games and like they were huge like capcom was still making their own games like that. Yeah Um today, I I don't know if it works as well unless they're gonna be recent on 3ds. I mean, that's the big thing Are we talking about a 3ds game? 3ds game. I think they can go to anyone. I think anyone's willing to do it. 3ds is 60 million plus install base Um But I mean, I guess that's a bigger question. We never talked about it before isn't intent No done making zelda games on 3ds I think that's a big big question I I think they would be like if they were working on a 3ds and zelda game I think it would have been like how they announced metroid samus returns during the treehouse event. I think they would have been let go. Here's Well, they could be safe They could be saving that for next year like here's the legend of zelda the first game remained. Yeah, and then the they had Kind of a routine I would say of doing some sort of announcement during the game awards Yeah, well, and they said they're supporting 3ds past 2018. That's why I think well, they might maybe they're just Going to save that for later to try to keep coming They're obviously not a bad or any 3ds last year 3ds made up 51 percent of all of their profits so They're I mean even even though switch is obviously going to eat into that this year You know still until we see that percentage under 40. I don't think nintendo is going to start tipping out I think it would be interesting um If they did like a dual release like you were mentioning if it was just an e-shop title If whenever they get the switch e-shop going If it was like here's this game you can play it on the 3ds if you have a 3ds But if you have a switch you can play I mean e-shop is going on switch So, well, yeah, I mean like for some reason I had my mind on virtual virtual console. Yeah Yeah, if it's a new game, they don't need virtual consoles. It's just e-shop. Yeah I mean, that's the thing that's like if they had the people behind shovel night making a new zelda 2 style one That is something you can simultaneously put on 3ds and switch And I think would make a lot of sense for nintendo That's why I think them going to a popular indie developer who doesn't presently have like like a new Their own new game they're making right now. They're just making updates to the current one That's a team you approach and say hey look, we'll give you some money. You give us a year. Give us a new zelda game Um, you know, obviously it'll go through nintendo for final approvals, but still That I think that's I think that's the correct approach like when you first brought this up I was like well retro studios retro studios retro studios I want them to make a zelda game, but that's not going to be like a small zelda game. That's going to be a big deal game Yeah, for some reason like you heard me like laugh a little bit there in my head for some reason like I I just remembered The ubisoft mario cross rabbits I was like zelda cross rabbits or something like that. I was like that would just be like the most insane No, mario can cross into everything. That's what mario does zelda, no There's you got to have a you got to limit zelda a little bit on what it crosses into And smash roses. I mean it's a mario card. I but again, the nintendo ip kind of a fun thing. Yeah Uh, I think You know because if we had the zelda the hyrule warriors, I mean it's possible we get another hyrule warriors too Yeah, um, especially since hyrule warriors. I think it's going to depend on how fire umba warriors does of course um because hyrule warriors was the best selling Uh warriors game in a long time Yeah, I wonder if fire emblem warriors came about because they already had it planned or they seen how well hyrule warriors did Well, they said yeah, they said in an interview Um, that once they started working at hyrule warriors and they were getting close to launching it They didn't have sales yet, but they talked to nintendo and they're like, yeah, we think this is going to go really well What's next and fire emblem just made total sense Which it does fire emblem actually makes a lot of sense as a warriors game Yeah, uh, even though it's like it's a tactical like I know people Yeah, I'm like it's a game with a whole bunch of fighters that makes a lot of sense for a game like I like that You got a lot of similar weapons tell them made less sense than fire emblem did um But if fire emblem Uh does really really well, then I don't think they're doing a hyrule warriors too I think they're going to talk to nintendo and be like, okay, what other ip's do you have? Yeah, zeno If it does if it does poorly They might be like, okay Well, let's make a hyrule warriors too then because nintendo's gonna okay that because Hyrule warriors had good sales and nintendo gets a cut to those sales. Yeah Um Or nintendo might be like, well, I'll just port over to the current hyrule warriors And then we'll see how then we'll see how that does and then we'll maybe do a hyrule warriors too if that does Well, um, I think Yeah, again, I'm sticking with I think they should go to a now more well established indie developer I you know, I even thought about platinum for a moment Just because they're japanese and nintendo with their main ip They still like to stick with the capcom was japanese company grezzo is a japanese company They like to stick with japanese companies because they can keep a closer eye on it but I still think it's indie developers as a way is where i'd like to see them go if they if they grabbed an outside studio yeah I wanted to say like I didn't mean to like hijack part of your podcast, but That's fine. I which you know because I've asked you a couple of times But I've been wanting to do like a weekly or bi-weekly Zelda focused podcast for a while because just like you Everybody welcome to zelda. Yeah It was supposed to be a bi-weekly show. It's just I I can never find the time Yeah, like I um, I'm just like very passionate talking about you said you had a second question Oh, we're both. Oh, yeah second question. Honestly, I I forgot. I knew the first one was the 3d Uh, like not 3d, but like if anyone could work on a third party zelda game Who would you want it to be my answer really quick would be squaring x because I'm a huge fan of final fantasy style games and like if they somehow combined Like breath of the wild with final fantasy 15 type of game I don't think they have the ability to make this kind of game anymore But if they could take how they made secret of mana and mashed up with zelda, I would be in heaven secret of mana Is like until breath of the wild was my all-time favorite game period So if they combined that with zelda, I'm I might I might literally die that day of happiness Um, but again square enix hasn't made a good mana game since secret of mana So I I don't think they have the ability to do that wasn't it a Final fantasy game in japan and then they changed it to secret of mine I have no idea. I don't I've never looked into the history of it. I just love that game I'm not really sure I I know I know most of the people that made it are no longer at square enix anymore like the company The division they had that did it kind of dissolved. So Um, that kind that's why I like yeah, they try capital They had a secret amount of two I think which wasn't that good They had children of mana and some others have been awesome But it just nothing recaptured what secret of mana was. Yeah, I know that it has a huge fan base So it is such a good game if they combine that with zelda. I'm I mean even if I know it's not going to be as good. I don't care. I'd still die Um So I think we'll just kind of wrap things up there. Obviously it's one of the longer than I thought But that's just the way it goes where that's what happens when you get people together who are passionate about zelda We could talk about zelda all day long Uh, obviously a dreamcast guy drifted out early. You could check out his channel down in the description below I'll probably even give him some creators credit on this just so you guys know that Hey, look, I have other youtubers that like we're here. Go check them out Um, obviously, uh, you know, you can check out their twitter I'll have their twitter handles down below as well and also In the description with these videos. So like I'm on screen You guys can just type in their twitter handle and you'll be able to find them on twitter Obviously, I want to thank game over jesse for being here Uh, and they came a lot because he's the one who got dreamcast guy on so He basically made this happen. I just do all the work to make it come to you Yeah, so all the editing and all the all the the hard part Yeah, that's that's what I get to do for the people watching didn't mean to take over the show from Nate Just kind of happened Yeah, no, it's okay, and I hope you guys enjoyed this episode of zelda inquiries and in the comments below let us know Um, is this a show that you would like to see come up more often because right now Uh, you know game over jesse talked about how he's always wanted to get like a bi weekly or weekly thing going Um, and as I said, he's got his own youtube channel. Go check it out. He does a lot of great videos Um I Zelda zelda is obviously a very passionate thing A lot of you viewers know and maybe some of our new subs don't but but a lot of our long time subs know I ran zelda informer for eight years. I've been running zelda sites for 18 Um right now based on my exit contract. I can't run another zelda site for a decade So this show is what I have left Um And I am very I'm very passionate about the series, but I don't want to keep creating content that That our viewers on youtube don't don't want like if you didn't enjoy this episode of zelda inquiries. Let me know Um, not because I I don't not because I'm going to cancel the show But it'll let me know I need to reformat it. Maybe I need to get it more structured Maybe it doesn't need to be so long You know, whatever the case may be whatever you guys want to happen Let me know because this is a series. I'm passionate about Um, and I don't want my channel to shut up from time to time Well, the thing is if I was under a stricter time limit, I I probably would have like cut you off one point Hey, we gotta move on. Um But it just let me I want this show to be not just what I wanted to be but what you guys want it to be You know, do you want it to be bi-weekly if it's bi-weekly? You just heard game over jesse say hey, he wants to buy a weekly show. Maybe we can collab and try to make that happen um But I don't want to commit to anything yet because it is a longer show It's longer to edit. I have to dedicate the time to do that. Uh, right now. I'm personally just so Viewers know I'm looking at trying to make this at least once a month. Um, if you'd like it twice a month That's great. I mean, you'll let me know by how much you view it. How much you care your comments Uh, because I one thing I I never wanted to happen with nintendo prime now that we have, you know An expanded youtube channel because I don't want us to just be a zelda focused nintendo channel if that makes sense folks Um, I don't want to just make a whole bunch of videos about zelda and just everything else feels like a side dish You know, I I would truly want to cover all of nintendo, but I this show exists because I can't deny my past zelda is my favorite franchise of all time So I feel like even if I didn't have that past running zelda sites if I created a youtube channel back in 2007 And made a nintendo channel. I feel like I would have had this show anyways I feel like this is a natural thing. I just would have had Um, so I just want to know how often do you guys want it? Did you enjoy the shows or things you think we can do better? Um, if you want me to punch jesse in the face, it's fine Um, you want me to punch myself in the face. That's fine. So I'll be you guys get tired of hearing me talk Which then I wonder why you went nintendo prime? Because I I do like 99 of the top anyways. I hope you enjoyed this episode Always like subscribe uh subscribe to the our two guests and comment below. Let us know what you think follow us on You can follow uh nintendo prime on twitter at ninty prime Uh, you can follow me personally. I have a separate twitter account from the public one Atnate jance. Uh, you want to plug your twitter handle over there? Yeah everything for me Facebook twitter youtube everything slash game over jesse keep it real simple There you go. And I think it's slash dream cast guy. Yeah. Yeah for yep So just slash dream cast guy and don't worry his channel isn't just about dream cast games Um, I checked I already checked it out before we started he does a lot of stuff for a lot of different games He doesn't pigeonhole himself, which is exactly. I'm trying. I'm not trying to pigeonhole myself as a zelda channel, but uh Again, I have a passion for zelda. I hope you guys enjoyed this And yeah, we'll we'll catch you in the next one whenever it is july Maybe in two weeks if you want it in two weeks You guys let us know I create this show we create this show for you. Have a good one