 and why why this there's no air conditioning in this apartment it's already it's already almost 80 degrees outside yeah fans that's one of those things where Vancouver doesn't need air conditioning except for the two days that you're there 51 weeks out of the year 50 weeks out of the year they don't need air conditioning and I'm here yeah what do you find a degree degrees yeah it's so funny because Ryan's co-founder is lives here half the year yeah we're worth that's one of the reasons we're here so they can work together and we're standing outside after we got coffee and he's like I was like oh this is just about perfect it's like you know it's like it's like well I was like what's perfect temperature for you he's like oh like 18 to 25 and I was like is that like this temperature and he's like yeah this is like this is probably like you know what is that an outdated American temperature and I was like okay so I'm looking at my watch I'm like okay so it's 68 right now this feels good for you and he's like yeah I was like okay so we have like our baseline of understanding like what because he can't convert it into Fahrenheit even though he lives that's what he said and I was like that seems unscientific no it's because what you do is you multiply yeah you multiply by 1.8 and add 32 but to round it out you just multiply by 2 and add by add 30 more alright doesn't get you the exact number but gets you in the ballpark so say it's 80 degrees Fahrenheit right now to do the reverse you subtract 30 and then you divide 50 by 2 it's 25 see okay and that that'll start to learn you what they what they generally mean but you know they do they do clothes sizes or they do people sizes and feet and inches they kind of got halfway through the metric system and sort of forgot about it like a wait a minute we have to export these clothings to the US so they need to be in feet and inches yes that huge textile industry that powers Canada well it's all based in roots the clothing store I know is the one on the oh yeah roots is supposed to be good right yeah I'm gonna go to roots tonight I think after work we have one in LA actually do you mm-hmm down in little San Francisco or it's known Abbott Kinney I'm gonna go to 11 lab oh wait that's where the lemons get born is it wait do they tailor something specifically to your ass like they get like a laser machine or laser guide and to kind of like get you a perfect maybe maybe because I'd be kind of cool because that would be something people would pay like slightly more not a lot more but like clothes tailored exactly to your measurements yeah a bunch of people have tried that none of them ever catch on though no one wants to pay like the 200% markup it's like yeah said people would pay for it though no I said they would pay a little bit I think they would pay slightly more but not a lot more all right you guys ready control and gonna hide it's control is yours you have you have the con all right here we go hey you yeah you do you want to help out the daily tech news show well it's really easy just go to daily tech news show comm slash support and find out how thank you this is the daily tech news for Monday July 31st 2017 I'm Tom Merritt thanks again Roger Chang and Justin Robert Young and Jen Cutter and Paul Spain for covering the show Thursday and Friday we're back ever on a cabal man is with us are you you're in Vancouver yes I am in Vancouver Canada specifically there is a Vancouver United States as well but it's not too far away yeah but you're not there I'm not there national we're not a national show today and we're gonna talk about AI is creating secret languages you know like you and your friend did when you were four years old yeah yeah I you know I didn't do invent my own I was more of a pig Latin kind of person ah right right but the same lines code words slang AI's are doing it and you've probably seen some scare headlines around we're gonna bust through some of the foot around those but talk about the real intriguing part of this which is should you let them do that probably yeah we'll dig into that a little bit more later all right let's start with a few tech things you should know Microsoft has stopped development of its word flow keyboard for iOS the Microsoft garage page for word flow now directs users to download Microsoft owned Swift key as an alternative I didn't actually know what word flow was so I guess I don't have to go down don't worry about it don't worry about it HBO said Monday that attackers had stolen data including upcoming programming entertainment weekly reports the theft includes a script for an upcoming episode of Game of Thrones I have heard it is next week's episode though I cannot confirm that at this yeah right I heard that too and and I was not I was not curious to look yeah I don't want I just want to watch next week's episode when it comes reading the script is not gonna help me yeah it's a bummer it's a bummer but it happens just shows to show how much people want it US district judge Lucy co ruled late Friday that iPhone 4 and iPhone 4 s user or maybe there's more than one actually there are two people brought the suit so there's at least those two may bring a nationwide class action claim against Apple for disabling FaceTime in the older models now she didn't find them guilty she just said I'm not going to dismiss this Prima facial I'm gonna let them bring it to trial Apple disabled FaceTime on iOS 6 and older systems in April 2014 and said she can't put that on the iPhone 4 and 4 s iPhone 7 on the iPhone 4 and 4 s basically FaceTime stopped working for those iPhones yeah that's a that's kind of a cruddy situation for sure yeah especially if it's something that was working and then no longer works yeah it's a bummer judge co said look you had advertisements for the iPhone 4 and 4 s that said look FaceTime it's what makes the iPhone and iPhone so you advertise it as being an essential feature so you have to defend yourself on that AMD announced the RX Vega high performance graphics cards will launch on August 14th the Radeon RX Vega 64 sells for $499 RX Vega 56 sells for $399 it's also a version of the 64 with an aluminum shroud for $599 that only comes in a bundle though you can't buy it on its own and there's a water cooled 64 for $699 cards are follow-ups to the graphics cards from AMD and they're positioning them not as more powerful but as an affordable alternative to the GTX 1080 and 1070 from Nvidia awesome developer Steve Trotton Smith found references to the next iPhone and early firmware released for the forthcoming Apple HomePod references to infrared face detection appeared in the biometric kit framework currently being used for touch ID references are made to a device called D 22 with a glyph that makes it look as if it will be in the next iPhone and it's that same like all screen except for a little notch right at the top where the camera would probably be home home pod wasn't supposed to have its firmware released that's that's the that's the problem here is that Steve Trotton Smith found that and Apple immediately yanked it but he's like hey a lot of other people noticed it too so it's out there now and we've combed through the code and found this stuff so you'll hear a lot of leaks from people saying I have an inside source but this came from Apple unintentionally but it came from Apple so that makes it appear that they are certainly prepared to have some kind of infrared laser or infrared face detection in the iPhone yeah I mean it's not really a leak so much as a just accidental like I guess it's kind of a leak I guess yeah no it's an internal leak it's no you're you're right though it's like well it's not a leak because we call other things leaks that aren't actually leaks right this is literally what a leak is uh and and we use it to refer to people spreading rumors so often that we forget that like this this is it unintentional oops it came out not unintentional i'm going to tell you off the record sort of thing what do you think of that what do you think of face unlock for the iPhone I think it's great I think it's pretty cool like I would I I I wonder how I'm sure it has some detection like versus having glasses on or off or if your sunglasses are on you know my that they get like people of different races correct because that's been an issue with face detection stuff in the past but I guess if it's mapped to your own face that should be okay yeah I'm not sure I I'm excited to try it and see how it works my surface book can tell me with my glasses on or off the only the only problems it has is when I'm too close and then even when I lean out it seems to not be able to find me anymore but if I'm if I'm at the right distance I can have a hat on I can have glasses on it seems to work pretty good now the problem is also people have been able to fool these things with pictures that are rounded or molded or whatever so that can be an issue as well whole new host of problems an Australian robot called Cartman probably Cartman not South Park Cartman but it's C-A-R-T-M-A-N won the 2017 Amazon Robotics Challenge robots in that challenge have to sort items into a box then take items out of a box and then do a combo of both and Cartman was actually tops at doing both was able to do the put them in pull them out combo test the best of all of them that's why it ended up winning the Australian Center for Robotic Vision made Cartman using a sliding mechanism kind of like the claw toy a little bit and it would pick up items from above rather than pretty much everybody else using a robotic arm that had to reach over the box Cartman also cost less to make $30,000 Australian about $24,000 U.S. which was one of the least expensive robots in the competition it's totally Cartman to say Cartman Cartman he respects Amazon's authority apparently this I love this story Honolulu has instituted a fine for pedestrians caught looking at their phone while crossing the street starting October 25th fine start at $15 up to $99 for repeat offenders Honolulu has a high incidence of crosswalk impacts yeah Mayor of Honolulu said they have one of the highest in the country not the highest but anyone who's ever been to Waikiki knows that that's kind of the epicenter for for pedestrians doing things that they shouldn't be doing one of them is looking at their phones when they cross the street now I agree in principle that people should be looking at their phones when they cross the street I understand the impulse to institute a fine for people's own protection and the protection of drivers too yeah big time because if you see someone who's not paying attention you may get distracted and then you know all kinds of other cascading things can happen but if you're not consistently finding people does it really do any good well I mean cops don't want to be like I'm on checking for people checking their phone beat right I think it's good for awareness I think it I don't know how much it has really helped cell phones in cars which is law here in California at least that you can't be you can't you'll you will get ticketed if they catch you if you're on your cell phone while you're driving but I see people doing it all the time and they never get caught so I think it's good to at least get it into people's minds that this is something they should be thinking about and it's I mean the ticket price is so low that it's not really like that's a nuisance fine yeah it's annoying but you'll think about it the next time you're crossing the street which is I think what they want people to do yeah although the majority of people in some parts of Honolulu anyway are tourists right I may not even be aware of that so I guess you have to put up big signs I don't know I I definitely admire the principle I'm just not sure if this will work well what would work I don't know do you know maybe just a public awareness campaign is you know more than the fines because I feel like what's gonna happen is the cops aren't gonna add this fine unless unless something else happens and if that's something else happened is a pedestrian getting hurt like I don't know that they need to add a fine on top of you getting hit by a car $15 on top of that little lady $2 million in hospital bills all right a group of bitcoin entrepreneurs and developers are planning a fork of the bitcoin blockchain to be called bitcoin cash starting next week and in fact it could go into effect starting August 1st that is the earliest that it could go into effect it may or may not there's a lot of angst about this the group bitcoin cash wants to speed up how bitcoin transactions are processed by allowing for blocks of transactions larger than a megabyte and by comparison visa can do like 1600 transactions a second the blockchain right now is doing six transactions a second also there's a transaction fee involved and so people who put low transaction fees can sometimes see their transactions take days to get processed core developers of bitcoin however opposed the change saying it would reduce the number of people capable of processing transactions because even if you the right now the the limit is one megabyte per block if you make that two megabytes that's twice the amount of data that has to be mined which means you need a lot more computing power which means some people will no longer be able to afford processing the transactions etc etc etc and if you have fewer people processing transaction that could allow companies to take control of the network part of the blockchain's brilliance is having a large number of people processing so no one person can dominate the network anyway the core does have a plan called segregated witness or segwit that could speed up transactions without needing to change the block size but the bitcoin cash group does not believe it's fast enough there's also segwit 2 which increases the block size a little bit but not as much as bitcoin cash wants to anyway if this plan goes in if they fork blockchain and and create two versions of bitcoin current holders of bitcoins would also hold an equivalent amount of bitcoin cash at the split now that's if you have a private wallet if you're keeping your bitcoins in an exchange that might not work that way because each exchange is setting their policies different splitting your wallets is a whole complicated mess that you shouldn't do without doing a lot of research about it the next web though basically recommends removing bitcoins from exchanges into a private wallet and then avoiding any transactions after august 1st until the future is more certain sounds complicated yeah does any of this make sense like it barely makes sense to me and i've been doing a lot of reading about this but you kind of have to understand how the blockchain works the blockchain works by saying everybody in the network can process a transaction and record it to the ledger so that it's hard to fake right if somebody tries to fake one then all the rest of the processors will go no that's not what i got so your your result gets thrown out and that's what keeps it secure but if you make it harder to process them by making the block bigger and you have fewer people processing them then there's more of a chance that you could organize the existing processors to say hey let's all fake something together gotcha yeah okay that makes sense and and then and but on the other hand because it's so small it takes a long time to process the transactions which is why the bitcoin cash people are like let's let's make it bigger we'll still have enough processors we think but we can do a whole lot more transactions that way so trying to find like a happy medium yeah they're not finding it right now uh there there's lots of i mean as you can imagine on the internet lots of angry people on either side of this issue oh i know shocking isn't it folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com it's available as a podcast on the amazon echo and in the anchor app in the app store and that is a look at our top stories all right uh on july 14th mark wilson wrote up a story on fast company about ai research at facebook it is slowly percolated across the net as news that facebook had to shut down an ai after it started developing a language humans couldn't understand okay okay calm down everyone not quite not quite yet no no uh you should go back and read the july 14th article which is two weeks old now uh droove batra visiting research scientist from georgia tech at facebook ai research told fast company they did not program a reward into one of their ai training regimens for sticking to english uh it was it was something that they just didn't do and so the two ai's uh that were using generative adversarial networks uh started to come up with their own variant on english because it was more efficient yeah essentially they were making shorthand for themselves and the problem with this of course is that the the ai's could get to a point where they're having a conversation that they understand together that we do not understand at all yeah and so the over the age of 18 think about listening to teenagers talk it's like that perfect example perfect example so it looks like gobbledygook it like it doesn't make any sense to us from from from where we're standing but at the same time there's this there's this kind of discussion of okay well do we do we not want these computers to work at their highest capacity possible like isn't that why we're creating artificial intelligence so that computers are able to solve problems and find answers and come up with solutions at incredible speeds that we can't do with regular computing power or with our simple human monkey minds but the the downside of that of course is if artificial intelligence starts making up shorthand for itself i think there's this this fear in our minds that they're going to start talking to each other in a way that we can't understand therefore we lose our control over the situation in some kind of very meaningful and important uh and species ending way so they the but the the reason that fair shut it down isn't because isn't the facebook ai research isn't because they were scared that the the ai was going to take over you know facebook's computers and get out into the internet and all this stuff that i think people start getting a little concerned about they just did it because they're like we're building ai that can communicate with humans like that's the like part of the project that we're doing and if it can't communicate with humans if we can't ask it simple questions to get responses that we understand that's you know out of the bounds of the the research that we're trying to do so the the it found something interesting and maybe other people will take it there to the next logical conclusion but right now that's not that's not the purpose of the projects they're working on yeah it's interesting michael is it fair said our interest was having bots who could talk to people that that's what they were trying to train it was a negotiation exercise and generative adversarial networking or training means that you have them talk to each other you have two ai's talk to each other in order to get better and if they're talking to each other and getting better at talking in a way that only they can understand it doesn't fit the parameters of the project anymore right right because we want them to be able to talk to humans but like you said this isn't the first time that this has happened uh they a lot of these headlines out there that are rewriting this story are saying ah facebook discovered that they these ai's had gone off on their own and it's like no this isn't an entirely unexpected result in fact the original fast company article links to three separate studies noting the existence of this sort of thing happening this is a normal thing and the more important question isn't have they run amok but what it what is the risk and is there a risk to allowing this because like you said it's way more efficient i mean it's more efficient for us too anybody who's been in any kind of industry knows that industry specific jargon that helps you more efficiently communicate with people but when you use that jargon outside of the industry the rest of us go i have no idea what you just said yeah i mean i was explaining blockchain right here exactly or it's like exactly like shorthand it is like almost a definition of shorthand people can write in shorthand or type or whatever in incredible speeds but if you look at an alpha shorthand alphabet or code or whatever however you call it you'd be like what are these lines and dots and scribbles like this doesn't make any sense but it's still english and it's still a way of communicating it's just a lot more efficient so this is what computers are doing i wonder if there's a way to program the ai to document its changes like figure out like tell us why it's happening yeah so as it uh-huh some of the most the the most interesting thing about ai is that we don't really understand how some of it works i mean they talk a little bit about this in in the article which is it does things for reasons and we don't really know exactly what the process for coming up with those reasons are or is um and so i i love that they say we didn't give it a reward for sticking to english and for me that's so it's just that's how you think about training animals and people like reward-based behavior and now we have to work rewards in for doing something that's tedious for an ai to do because it's like uh fine i guess i'll talk in english if i get what what is a reward what what what would it even want i mean this is obviously like they put something in the code that that keep the reminds it probably just says yes you're on the right structure yeah i keep going this way this is the right thing green light red light um but that's i just i just love the idea that we have to like give it a they use the word reward because that is that's so perfect well there's a psychological uh prejudice there because it's not really a reward no i know sees it as ah i'm executing properly when i do that right uh and the same thing is true for language i mean i hadn't thought about it till you just said it but we don't know what ai why it makes the decisions it makes already so there's really no difference between that and having it create this language if it's just using it internally so to speak and to talk to other ai but psychologically it makes us afraid because we're like what is it saying is plotting on downfall yeah we can't like we can't handle it like but it's no difference than what is it thinking we have very fragile kind of like human egos and we get very concerned to think that the machines which we already know are capable of of doing things faster and better than we are now are working outside even further outside the bounds of what we understand and what we have you know kind of engineered them to be able to do and i think that's just something that as humans we're going to have to either figure out how to be comfortable with or figure out how to but it's just like people the more you try to rein them in the more they're gonna like try to try to break out of their box i feel like the rules aren't always going to hold i think it's important for productivity of an artificial intelligence to allow it to have the most efficient communication possible and when it's with non humans that may be an ai created language is that riskier than have than have what we have now which is it's thinking thoughts that we don't know at that point it's just communicating with other ai's we can see by its output what what it's doing and when it's a an internal quote unquote thought we're like we don't really care how it got there it's doing the right thing should we care anymore about it talking with another ai as long as it does the right thing as long as the output is the same i mean yeah but we don't know what other information it's passing through in those encounters i mean we never act on that information will it never act or will it remember well it's an outside possibility i suppose but it's not the most likely one i'm just saying like yeah yeah we definitely want i mean this is something that we talk about with bots all the time is that the in a perfect world your facebook messenger bots will be able to talk to your slack bots will be able to talk to your you know your your amazon echo etc etc that these things will become less platform dependent um and you know that would really be like kind of the holy grail of this whole situation where like they don't have to stay in their walled gardens they can communicate and actually make your life easier by talking to each other and figuring out your needs based on what each of them is experiencing but they need a language to do that yeah and some kind of like bot markup language in order to like communicate independently and i think artificial intelligence and how that you know this is these are i'm talking about two separate things here bots and artificial intelligence because they're not necessarily dependent on each other um but ai needs to do that too and so it needs to come up with its own way of of of talking across platforms or across devices like if your smart fridge is talking to your your cell phone which is talking to the cloud which is talking to whatever there's all these different things these connections happening yeah it's it's super interesting but they they have they are figuring out more efficient ways to to transfer that information and i don't know if we should stand in the way of that yeah i i i am not unfrightened like the rest of you but i'm but i'm trying to be rational about the fact that you know a lot of what's going on with ai we already can't check uh and so do we do we go with behavior-based judgments on whether it's a problem or not or and i'll go back to my earlier idea is there a way to have it log itself so that you could go and learn its language although that's problematic you know how long it takes people to learn languages if the language is sophisticated enough it could take a year to learn the ai's language so well one other thing that i loved is that like in the english language is so dumb yeah there's so many homonyms and like things that like just don't make any sense to even really smart people from who speak other languages and so of course the computer's going to be like why do you have the same word for a thing that means two completely different things like that's stupid i'm gonna yeah well and the the advantage is then you don't need an api anymore the ai's just learn to talk to each other on their own you don't have to write a set of rules that says here's how you access this other program you just tell them go work it out you want to facebook messenger you want to talk to slack go talk to slack in your private little slack messenger language in our little smarty bot language yeah no it's crazy uh well thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them stories like that at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com slash daily tech news show uh real quickly want to mention there's a new column from Sakane Wright up at dailytechnewshow.com he writes the your private driver column yeah he is a driver and he's got a driver's view on the changes happening at uber not the changes at the ceo level that you see covered in all the business publications but the changes for the drivers the things that are you know helping them with customer support and all of that if you're interested go check it out dailytechnewshow.com and we get to the messages of the day uh first of all rinard wrote in uh responding to roger's discussion of the amazon hub amazon hub is amazon's effort to put lockers into places like apartment complexes so that any shipping could use them to deliver packages and rinard writes hey ups has been doing the exact same type of thing they did reference there are others doing this but it seems as if anything comes out of amazon is too often thought of as the first to do this they don't usually reinvent the wheel now rinard sent a link to the usp access point lockers which are great and as roger says super handy but roger said well ups and amazon have been rolling out storage lockers in public places for some time i disagree that they're the same thing amazon's hub initiative is directed at placing storage lockers within apartment buildings or housing complexes which is something the housing complexes can do on their own i've talked about that before uh amazon is doing it for them which makes it easy here regardless of how convenient heading to a local store business to take a package out of a locker is it's not as convenient as heading down to the lobby of your building uh to do that so uh good good point for for rinard though that there are similar things out there and i it's always good to get checked on this because when a company like amazon or facebook or microsoft gets big enough a lot of times we they they sound like they're the first to do something even though smaller companies have been doing it before right i'm kind of excited about this hub situation honestly um i don't live in an apartment complex but i would have loved that i have to make use of an amazon locker to return something next week which is kind of annoying because it's it's not in my path of travel really um so you know there's there's it would be nice to be able to have more of those around and i like that they have the the different box sizes lockers and if you could do it for your own home too you can just go buy a us postal service approved locker and it works with them the major delivery services really just put it yeah just put it downstairs by your garage or wherever um that they you don't they don't just work for apartment complexes but again amazon's targeting apartment complexes with their thing right it makes more sense for for that yeah yeah uh also we got an email from ross in equally sunny and rainy knottingham united kingdom said i was listening to the show last week when you were discussing the use of fingerprints as the only factor of authentication and identification while traveling through airports and this made me think of biohacking you said that if a fingerprint becomes compromised this authentication factor couldn't be updated or changed like a password could and you only have nine changes you could make he says realistically it's fewer than nine given you probably be asked to enroll multiple fingerprints in a lot of services in the world of multi-factor authentication there are three types of factors something you know like your password something you have like an rsa token or a smart card or a ubiki and something you are that's your fingerprint your iris etc ross says you're gonna like this fronica i would suggest this is an area where biohacking could really be the way forward although the idea of having a chip inserted in my hand to feel somewhat gruesome to me the token that is inserted could be considered as changing factor type from something you have to something you are once it becomes part of your body it's sufficiently difficult to remove in order to impersonate identity but it is sufficiently easy to replace or perhaps recycle the token id vrf should it become compromised coupled with something you know to provide that crucial second factor this would provide the surety to the authorities that you are who you say you are when you're traveling nice yeah that would be nice my um my passport is expiring the week after i get back from vancouver sure would be nice if i just had a little chip that was like yeah yeah just update it i just i'd be hard for uh but that would make me scared for people who are like fleeing countries for persecution and stuff like that and have to i don't know it makes me that kind of stuff makes me nervous did i veer off topic well no it's a that's a fair concern my guess is in those situation you know there's the difference between it should this be mandatory or optional right it could be like hey if you're comfortable with having the chip implanted you can speed through the line a little faster if you're not you're gonna have to be in the right but what if you're comfortable with it now but say for example within the next three years you're not comfortable with it anymore and you want it out remove it you just remove it i mean just remove it i but it is removable unlike your fingerprints that's true i think that's what ross is saying the advantages yeah you know how many people sent me that article about the implants oh yeah 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should we call it who's backing up yeah that's that's where i am sorry for a second i thought you said ryan not where i am that's ryan we're not very back so yeah that's great yes roger we can hear you all right um oh wait let me just to stop this uh talk botty to me a slap in the face time digital tower babble i'm sorry dave i can't speak english anymore prima faca time facia prima facia time a robot of sorts just the bits simple human monkey minds actually simple human monkey minds is my simple minds monkeys coverband i like simple human monkey minds it's kind of great kind of love that yeah do you understand the words are coming out of my ram lost in digital translation nice that's a good one too go without the word flow australia respects cart man's authority that's funny respect time will have to explain bitcoin cash to scott don't talk to talk if you can't bot the bot yeah the bitcoin thing is weird because you really have to understand a lot of it and then it's not the problem is more difficult to understand than the solution the solution is just you replicate the blockchain i mean the blockchain is you can think of it as a big file and so bitcoin cash is just saying we'll just start our own blockchain and the history of our new blockchain is the history of the existing blockchain up until the moment we fork it and so that's why your wallet can exist in both systems both universes yeah it's like an alternate universe right it's basically the deucey universe which they collapsed but um simple well talk body to me is at the top but we can go with simple human monkey minds i mean how can we not i kind of love it yeah simple human monkey man how long does that truck been backing up i don't know dude i'm not out there directing the truck geez very obviously not out there directing the truck but then i went into the other day that was beeping it was beeping when it went forward and backwards so i'm like well you didn't now you're just beeping all the time your beeping means nothing anymore maybe beeping just means it's around yeah i don't know man i don't know simple human monkey minds simple human monkey minds it is what do you what would you put in the simple human monkey minds uh play uh uh set list i don't know last train to Clarksville and uh don't you forget about me yeah what was the other big simple mind song you probably have more monkey songs than simple minds yes there's daydream believer there's of course the monkey theme song hey where are the monkeys hey where the simple minds people say our minds are simple we're too busy creating our own language i'll go I like don't you forget about the last train to Clarksville just make them all combo titles discography I didn't appreciate simple minds when they were new I don't really appreciate them now I learned to love them more later on in life I it's like the one song that everyone is familiar with because of uh breakfast club yeah see like no one ever remembers the other songs like I used to and I always confuse them with psychedelic furs because of that no it's because John Hughes pulled his set list from a bunch of similar looking artists actually know the psychedelic result I think like the simple mind only in northern town is that a simple mind song no that's um um life in a northern town is only a northern song is a Paul McCartney song that's confusing them uh which is that band is a dream academy it's about to say ultra box but now I got simple minds confused with my dream academy it's just the north it's just a north england thing I used to think that everyone in england that wasn't in london lived in like little villages little hamlets yeah like that's all these music bands are like in the middle of nowhere looking at a cow while they're singing why are they looking at a cow I don't know because there's cows on the countryside sure there are at least in england and they have very very quaint uh a gregarious post postman chatty chatty postman yeah our postman just um talks to people on the phone that seems to be the new post postal carrier behavior I used to have one guy when I was a kid I think he had Tourette syndrome because he was alive and kicking thank you dark redeemer that's that's the big simple mind says he was always swearing every time I saw him maybe it was me he was swearing at me I don't know he smelled the wave but he went away and I could hear him swearing and I and I didn't know about Tourette's until like five years later I was like ah I wonder if he had Tourette's yeah probably that would make me paranoid if someone smiled and waved and then muttered curses at me as they walked away san francisco I mean when was I supposed to think but everyone does heard of san francisco huh yeah you none of us are in it right now oh yeah that's true whoa whoa blew my mind mind equals blown I was about to talk baseball and then I realized don't shouldn't do that don't do it right now so that game out of the corner of my eye I thought of you sympathetic so uh how about them vancouver clouds they're up in the sky wait wait they don't have the there's only one baseball team in Canada now the expose left no I'm literally talking about the clouds in the sky like the weather and they lost although vancouver clouds would be a good name for a sports ball team they lost their NBA team right they had the grizzlies no is that the grizzlies they've got the canucks the NHL I think they have the only team uh professional sports and they have the bc lions cfl go lions go lions ah that's what voltron was before it was called voltron I have the toy you have all the toys I used to and then I realized my dad shipped a bunch of them to my cousin in Taiwan when really when I wasn't looking and I was looking for the some of this stuff it's like where'd it go the classic uh get the toys out of there well child isn't looking but he'll keep his you know 40 odd years of national geographic all like over by the wall so my nephew is going to archaeology school in Canberra Australia and they went out on a dig it's his first dig as a student and there were goats in the field next so they diligently put up you know wires around the dig and start the the beginning and if you know anything about archaeology you have to go very carefully you know just removing small amounts and looking for anything uh and then they close up for the night they come back and there's little baby goats crawl it all over their dig because they had put up wires to keep the adult goats out but the baby goats figured out how to get between the wires oh baby go it was the cutest ruined archaeology sites I've ever seen they're so tender so shut up god there's water pouring down into this deck I'm glad I wasn't sitting outside right now is it raining over they're watering their plants no watering their plants that's hilarious that's really funny it's like all over like I don't even know how it is getting like there's an overhang but somehow it's like arcing back do you hear that no I can't hear it what is happening are they using a hose I don't know I'm gonna take a video of it oh my gosh it's like a deluge out there deluge it is the dia deluge day of the luge so that means all right hey did you hear LA got the olympics for 20 yeah good team out of san francisco paris gets them for 2024 and then LA gets them for 2028 and it makes sense because paris said the part of where they were redeveloping wouldn't be available after 2024 for reasons whereas LA's whole pitch was we hardly have to build anything we just have all the infrastructure yeah we just need to renovate some of it yeah and it gives them more time to renovate it so sweep away the the tumbleweeds who's 2020 olympics is that korea wait I can't remember now no korea is the winter right tokyo right tokyo is the 20 oh yeah that's right yeah I have a shirt that says tokyo 2020 on it are you gonna see super mario yeah that's right that's in chinzo abe was mario at the closing ceremonies how could I forget all this yes tokyo okay good north korea thanks poodle puncher I don't think that's correct all right well thanks everybody for watching and listening and enjoying your times we will see you tomorrow goodbye bye