 Hi and welcome Hello We're watching Veronica's bot flood the chat room. Yeah, it's a little delayed Yeah, I don't know what's going on there She'll have Bell Bot, but have no idea if the best is bot. It's very poetic. Yeah, she is we have you thought about Publishing a collection of Bell Bot's poetry That would be good Little chat book. Yeah Why is it called a chat book does anybody I don't know what a chat book is what's a chat book? That's like a thing with we're What I know to be chat books is people like putting out little small collections of their writings So most of the ones I knew were poets putting out like small collections of their poets. Oh interesting I Just said the thing that she says all the time Yeah, I Don't understand. Okay, but I know that I like anonymous What does it mean when the bot that whose language I've programmed starts when I start saying the things that she says, right? Who's programming whom right? Programmer has become the programmed Apparently bizarre briefing won an award yesterday Oh, yeah, or did they or did they? Mmm, that's not how I'm supposed to drink out of this water bottle. I just went Yeah Well, how are you supposed when you tilt it back the straw doesn't get the water because it's a straw. Yeah, of course Makes perfect sense Yeah, he kept drinking my coffee. I had a coffee And he just make his own coffee and he just had a coffee at the coffee shop and He had this was my half. We had a carton of ice coffee And he drank half this morning and then I took the other half So he's looking at it here It's still part of the carton which we're sharing but I he already had his half. Yeah, but he's like but you haven't finished yours So obviously for me, so now it's their ability to each according to their needs You have the ability to give him coffee. No, that's baloney. He's being marxist. It's below Kna Marks balona Okay, well, let's do this show. Shall we? Oh shoot TV Zgon was at politicon yesterday. I missed him. Are you at politicon? I was actually met up with Roger Chang nearby for a little snack And then I went over to politicon said hey to Teasdale and jury Fun they were flogging the contender Good That means they were they had a booth where they were selling their card game the contender good I hope they sold many many copies They were doing all right. They were doing all right Getting free buttons. Yeah, I saw him sell a couple boxes right while I was there. So nice Okay, here we go. Let's do this The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me. Oh Thanks, me if you also wish to bring it go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support That's Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday June 27th 2016 I'm Tom Mara joining me today. Ms. Veronica Belmont back in the saddle on a Monday How's it going Veronica back at it again with those tech news stories We're gonna take the tech news out behind the shed and teach it what analysis is of it Is that that no no, no, okay? I won't say that again We are going to talk about education, but don't stop the show Because there's some really interesting stuff that Google is doing and there's some don't stop the show With with blocks like it's called tangible program You can program with blocks with building. It's really we're gonna talk about that We're gonna talk about Amazon trying to help teachers out with free stuff, but what are these companies get out of it? It's all coming up. Let's get to the top stories Twitter launched stickers for photos posted through the Twitter app you can now add emojis props accessories to your photos a mere five years after Line started doing it or something like that when viewers tap on the stickers They'll be taken to a page of other photos that use the same sticker features coming over the next few weeks to Android and IOS if you don't see it yet, just wait a couple weeks You'll eventually be able to put a smiley face on the photo. You're uploading to Twitter I don't know why I like doing this in swarm and snapchat, but the idea of doing it on Twitter annoys me Why is that because it's changed right snapchat? Didn't always have these but it feels like something they added as a natural part of their growth Twitter adding it now because it's so old and you've used it in a certain way for so long feels like a me too totally I was a hundred percent about to say it feels like a me too Yeah, and and I also feel like there's gonna be a lot of people gaming the sticker system Like putting stickers on things that don't actually have anything to do with the sticker So when you click on the sticker to search for those stickers, it's gonna be weird stuff I just don't trust it. I don't like it. No, sir. Don't like it. Well, I've okay I'm an iconic class when I what I'm about to say I don't expect anyone to agree with me on but I don't like hashtags I Find I find them useless. I'm like you can search for words. Just search for words. Why do you have to put a hashtag symbol? Yeah, back when there was no Twitter search that was a more interesting way to be able to find stuff But I don't see that it matters now But Twitter has incorporated it into its system and that's another reason I don't like hashtags is because people game them right you put a hashtag in because you know people will click on it And then maybe they'll see your tweet too and it's the same thing you're talking about with stickers We got to have Chris Messina on the show to change your mind about hashtags the inventor of my mind changed Duck in the past with the hashtags in the IRC channel right now are pretty amazing. Oh my gosh It's making my eyes bleed The telegraph the telegraph UK reports its sources say that Google is in discussions with carriers to release a Google design Smartphone by the end of 2016 in an interview last month at the code conference Google CEO Sundar Pichot I was I was there. No, you had it. That was it, right? Yeah, if you had just kept going I would have been fine Okay Stated that the company was investing more effort into phones But that Google would still continue to work with OEMs as well now most people are pouring some cold water on this report today Because it doesn't make sense It doesn't make sense that there's a lot of credible rumors out there that there are new nexus devices in the works And and Google Having to go to the extent of designing Even though they've got Rick Osterlo from Motorola, you know in-house now It's just I I don't Say that Google won't do this I find it unusual that we would see this before the end of the year and that's what Places like the Verge and others are saying that just this just doesn't ring true But then the telegraph usually is is pretty good with its sources So if they have sources telling them this then those sources obviously believe they're telling the truth 26 the end of 2016 is is closer than it seems. Yeah, it's only six months away. Yeah, right and Do you think Google should start doing this in case anybody doesn't understand? This is like Google doing what I what Apple does, right? They design the phone and then they have somebody like Foxconn assemble the phone what Google does now with nexus is they say Hey HTC design a phone for us We'll have some input into it and put our name on it and make sure you do stock Android But you're making the phone and you get to put the HTC brand on yeah It seems like I mean if you have unlimited money and resources then I guess why not give it a go But the nexus phones are already great people love them I'm not really sure why they would feel like they have to own the whole animal Yeah, and and it would be another confusing line, right one would assume they wouldn't call it nexus Right, they would call it pixel or something else. Well, they should they should have some conversations with Amazon about how that went And see how if that changes their mind I do think Google probably has less of an uphill burden because they have Android, right? It makes more sense. Yeah, I guess the Seattle Times reports that Terry Goldstein of Sausalito, California successfully sued Microsoft for $10,000 after a failed Windows 10 upgrade left her system unusable for several days Goldstein says she never authorized the upgrade and and remember there's lots of people who say that even though they technically did Because Microsoft had that horrible situation for a while where when you clicked the red X That was taken as tacit consent to the upgrade probably what she did. I know it's what other people did The $10,000 she gets reflects the estimated lost compensation and the cost of a new system She she runs a travel agency She basically couldn't run her travel agency for a week until she replaced the system Microsoft couldn't fix it for her She says Microsoft denied any wrongdoing, but they dropped the appeal to avoid further expense of litigation I guess they figured giving her the $10,000 was cheaper than continuing to fight it And this is all coming Less just over a month from the end of Windows 10 being free Windows 10 stops being a free upgrade July 29 I wonder if this will lead to anyone else coming forward and saying that they had this kind of trouble Or if anyone else has already put out cases for it Well, that that's usually why you fight these things as a company is you you want to discourage other people from coming And trying to get their $10,000. Yeah, they just kind of they they didn't settle though I mean her her suit was successful, right? So that's a different that's a very different kind of thing and and that that will encourage a lot of lawyers anyway to say to people Yes, let's go Get our lawsuit in front of Microsoft because apparently they don't want to fight these things and maybe we can we can get them to settle out Of court. Yeah, I should have I should have sued them after they blue-screened my remember my my gaming PC over Again, yes, but I lost valuable Witcher hours you guys You can't like you you deserve damages like like pain and suffering Exactly, exactly I'm one of these people look I want to the Microsoft fans and employees in the audience I want to say like I have had no problem with Windows 10. I like Windows 10 I've done three Windows 10 upgrades and they've gone swimmingly for me So I know this isn't all of the Windows 10 upgrades But I also know Veronica Justin Robert Young Joey image and and I don't know Ms. Goldstein, but here's another one I know plenty of people who've had their computers become unusable after a Windows 10 upgrade for whatever reason And I had to go back to Windows 7 right Windows 7 Not even Vista just like straight up whatever. So there's there's something going on with that and Maybe that's just the normal like brand new operating system doesn't always work And you guys could just got caught on the wrong end of the percentage there but that combined with this aggressive campaign where they were I Don't think literally, but they were accidentally Tricking people into upgrading to Windows 10. You don't you don't make closing the dialogue Window be the answer of yes, you make closing the dialogue Windows saying okay. No action was taken I keep saying that I yeah, I know 7 came after Vista. I got confused for a second whatever the 2 back I had to go 2 back. It's been a while. My brain is kind of Fred 2 back. Yeah 8 to 7 yeah, or if you want to count 8.1 is another one But yeah, it's true Andy Greenberg has an article on wired describing the risks of using SMS as a second factor for authentication Greenberg describes examples of social engineering where attackers convinced phone companies to redirect text to a new SIM card in their possession fake cell phone towers like sting rays can also intercept texts and hackers can exploit the SS7 protocol to spoof a change to a user's phone number Services like authenticator apps or physical keys like you be key are suggested as stronger alternatives Yeah, this is this is a good article to read it and Andy Greenberg does a good job of not being scare tactic He's not scare mongering. He's saying hey Yeah, if you're dealing with a company that only does SMS sure It's better than not having a second factor, but you should know that it's definitely not as good as an authenticator It and with any security issue. We're always saying it's a matter of degrees. There's authenticator apps aren't foolproof either There's all kinds of social engineering and other things you can do there But they're better than SMS for several reasons one is there's no connection between your authenticator app and the server So there's nothing to be intercepted and that's the big vulnerability with SMS is Information is being sent to you so it's possible in these many ways you describe for people to Intercept that information and then have your second factor. I I wish more people would Allow for authenticator apps or things like physical keys on more services that we use day to day It's pretty regular in the enterprise world But we don't really see it in in regular things like like Dropbox for example, like can I get a physical authenticator for Dropbox? You can get an app authenticator for that. That's great. That's pretty close But it would be nice to have something that wasn't at all Yeah Well and authenticator apps aren't connected, but they are on your device, right? Yeah, it's this subtle shades Yeah, and somebody in the chat room who was it? Peds just said damn it. I just changed a bunch of logins to use SMS If you weren't using any second factor before that's better like it's better to have the SMS than not Because it's another roadblock in the way But it if you have the choice to do something else like an authenticator or you be key or something like that Then you should probably change to that if you can Wall Street Journal reports that Amazon will add dozens of new brands for its dash button devices And Amazon is gonna drop the $200,000 buy-in fee if a company wants to produce a dash button instead They'll charge $15 per button sold plus 15% of the sale Slice analytics estimates that less than half the consumers that ordered a dash button have actually used it to place an order I think Scott Johnson's the only person I know who both got a dash button and because his son clicked it Actually did order some toilet paper With it and it they knew he had clicked it when it arrived at the house. So Can someone explain to me? Dash buttons and why I want that like I cannot think of anything I mean, maybe if I had a kid and I had to reorder diapers like every three days Sure That is like the only use case that I can think of where I would need to be ordering something enough to have a physical button in my home Here's the here's here's I don't use it because they don't have the things I want right But I would definitely use it if I could get a Scott tissue I'm just gonna reveal way too much about myself here if I could get Scott tissue Ordered in the the big 24 pack because we have two bathrooms of one upstairs one downstairs and I have to keep an eye on the one downstairs because we're not at it often enough to make sure we didn't run out downstairs If I could just have a button so that when I notice it I just push that button and I know more is on the way that'd be great But you know what this reminds me of when I was a kid We had a home security system and my mom had like a panic button in her bedroom That was like above the nightstand. It was a little button. You had to you could push it And it would automatically dial 9-1-1. Okay, when I was a kid. I thought that button was hilarious And I pushed it That's horrible and so swatting wasn't a thing that I was like three years old And so for me that these buttons are just like asking for trouble like why are children not all over the country? Pushing these buttons with abandon. Are there safeguards in place? Like if it gets pushed multiple time it won't order multiple items and every time it is pushed an email is sent So that you can say oh wait a minute that was pushed in error And there's a bit of a grace period there the thing is I think Scott when it happened to him just didn't notice the email So that is one of the perils of it. I just it feels like such an unnecessary thing It just seems like a physical thing in the world that nobody would ever need and it sounds like people are not really using them Okay, it says less than half consumers ordered a dash button have used it that you could also read this Almost half the consumers that have ordered a dash button. I'll still not very good metrics. I'm sorry. That's still not not yeah I don't know about that one. I think this is a weird experiment and that I don't understand Which means it can't be good right if I don't understand it that means it's the Scott tissue button arrives I'm in that's all I'm saying. Okay Toy race car maker Anki has a new car called Cosmo with a body similar to the Pixar character Wally a face like Pixar character Eve and a Mechanical arm that can move things around Anki worked with Pixar to design the robot and the toy has a built-in computer vision software to help recognize people and get better at Games an AIS DK will come at launch for developers to create more activities, which is rad a Cosmo launches in October for $179 I will admit for a short Split-second. I got excited thinking Cosmo the moped delivery from the dot-com era was coming. That's that's a K Yeah, Cosmo with a K Cosmo with a C What do you I mean? This is cool that they worked with Pixar. I love that yeah first I'm like, oh, how did they get around and like oh they didn't they actually just went to Pixar and said we want to make Wally But then part of me is like well, why didn't they just make Wally and Eve? But I guess they started with this because I don't know It's cool though. It's a toy. It's really good. Apparently. It's very pet-like It feels like kind of like having a little pet around what I like this better than Wally. I mean not Wally Which I never use anymore like BDA was gonna be my little bro, and I never take him out anymore So I think that'd be really fun to have this could do a lot more than me Already like fun like like chatbot things that you could do with it That'd be great Robert Monty by the way on Twitter pointed us to a dash button on Amazon That's a Internet of Things button. It's a limited release programmable dash button that you can connect with other IoT devices So that would actually be a dash button that I could that I could get behind program it yourself Yeah, make an order Scott tissue, right? So I would I'd be into that. All right The dash button has been saved. Thank you CNET reports the House of Commons Petitions Committee said Sunday It is investigating whether signatures to a petition for a second vote on the UK leaving the European Union was created by bots The allegation is that 4chan users got together and created a bunch of bots to sign the petition They are noticing IP addresses from Vatican City Antarctica North Korea a spokeswoman said seventy seven thousand signatures have been removed so far Petition had three point seven million signatures over the weekend I first I got excited when I saw this story thinking that somehow they had programmed bots to cast fake votes for Brexit And I was like, oh my god, do they have to do a recount like did bots like inflate the yes Original vote that was all physical votes, right? Like you had to do a card So there weren't no online online voting for that particular vote But this this is you know an online petition for a second vote Which will probably not happen, right? Are they gonna let them do another vote? No, it's so close. I mean, it's all close I shouldn't say never I can foresee a series of very unlikely Circumstances that might come together to allow a second vote. In fact, I was I was texting with Allison Sheridan about this last night Kind of running wild speculations. Well, what if they did this? What if this the best but really, you know, not to get too much into world events here outside of technology But the European Union is saying no, we're not gonna talk to you But until you trigger the exit with with article 50 at which point it's too late So, you know, I just I really do doubt that this is gonna change this petition is gonna change anything and it's really a I Don't want to say it's unfortunate, but for people who wanted this petition to be Honored it is unfortunate that people got in and made it look fake because I think it has even less Chance of being taken seriously. Yeah, less less credible now Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit submitting stories and voting on them at daily tech news show That right at calm it helps us very much with in fact cool aunt SV submitted the one about the woman winning her $10,000 judgment You got stuff in here from Loki Robert SP Sheridan another J Martin TM204 and more get in and help make the show better daily tech news show dot reddit calm That's a look at the top stories All right We can go a little deeper in these, but let me just summarize the three big initiatives There's two from Google and one from Amazon today. I'll start with Google Google project blocks is the most interesting because this isn't a retail program. This is just something they want to get out there as reference design for people to make Blocks to help kids code It's for ages five and up and if you're like wait a minute what it how is it a block they? Combine three pieces. So there's a raspberry pi zero based board called the brain board that kind of sits underneath Then there's the baseboard which in which it passes instructions to the brain board from something called a puck Now the puck kind of confuses you that it's called a puck I'll be honest, but the puck is basically a device that does one simple instruction So it's could be an on-off puck which is an on-off switch. It could be a switch puck, which is like a left and right This is you know a little dial thing. It could be a turn left Puck which is just an arrow that when you press it will turn left And and so you've got this and simple instruction set that you can combine with each other To create ways to control stuff because the Raspberry Pi board is just going to broadcast by Wi-Fi to either software Or a robot that can control the Lego we do or the Miro bot for instance. So that's cool It's teaching kids coding. All right Google also Adding some new features to Chromebook Chromebook has sold more than five million devices to educational institutions in the US last year So they've got cast for education So that the students can share their screen by casting to the teacher's computer and the teacher's computer could be OS 10 It could be Windows. I'm sorry Mac OS or Windows And and then the teacher approves it so they can't hijack the screen, but it's a way to easily share There are quizzes now integrated into Google Forms so they can do instant grading and the VR expeditions the field trips VR field trips are now open to everybody and finally Amazon Inspire is a new platform for people freely to share their Their instructional materials with other teachers and educational institutions around the country So you can upload stuff you can download stuff for free And there's also some third parties like the Folger Shakespeare Institute or the museum in Washington, DC That are putting materials in here as well for you to use for free So this is all good, right Veronica like there's nothing to worry about. It's all just huge tech companies with huge valuations Generously helping our children, you know, I was gonna say yes, this is all good But the way you put that now makes me concerned. What are you getting at Tom? Are you are you saying there's some nefarious plan happening? Okay, so Amazon does this for free for now, right? Maybe they start to charge for things down the road, which wouldn't be the worst There are other companies doing this like test.com or teachers pay teachers.com which do have for-pay materials There's nothing wrong with that But there's also the idea that what Amazon wants to do is keep providing these for free in order to sell Amazon web services to schools or to get schools to buy fire tablets for the children And maybe that's not a problem either But I'm always trying to dig in behind and say, okay, what's the real motivation here? I the Google project blocks is the one where I don't Obviously see anything behind because they're like we're not gonna make it a retail We're just making this as a reference design, but Chromebooks is obviously meant to sell more Chromebooks I mean, that's that's yeah very obvious I mean there's some interesting, you know money figures and in terms of the the most money made in educational Arenas Apple is very far ahead just because their devices their laptops and tower computers or whatever are much more expensive But in terms of sheer numbers Chromebooks is killing it because they are less expensive They're very easy to take care of an update and now that they're integrating all these other kinds of tools that teachers can use For you know, pretty cheap That's going to make them a big standout in that space as though they weren't already Amazon jumping into this into this already relatively crowded field Also makes a lot of sense because they have the resources they have the the infrastructure to back it up and I think people know the name and trust the name so there's there's a lot of interesting stuff, but I think it's really great because You know, these are huge companies that have a lot of resources and money to put into this stuff And you know schools are always struggling to to find the tools to to help kids get that leg up in terms of being able to learn How to program or just to have computers to do their homework on So I think they are that they are jumping in here and making it easier for teachers is really wonderful Yeah, I I get what you're saying, which is this will have a Positive effect on the ability to learn it has a positive effect on cash strapped classrooms for now But does it open the way for these companies to have too much influence over? educational materials so for instance if Chromebooks become dominant Does Google have more influence over what gets taught? No, I don't think they can control what software is compatible with the Chrome OS I don't topic topic wise. I don't think so. I think this is just the infrastructure. This is these are just the tools I mean being able to use Google Forms for a quiz on Online with your teacher in your classroom doesn't have any impact on what that lesson has to be about It's just the tool that the teacher is able to use that makes their job That Google, you know says it's not collecting. Oh, wow, you really have become cynical Yeah, I'm Tom. Yeah, I'm just trying to poke into this and see because because yes on the face of it Like oh, these are great tools. Chrome OS is very affordable It allows kids to you know It allows some classrooms to actually have laptops for kids when they wouldn't be able to afford it before because like you said the max Are so expensive But not every classroom can still afford these sorts of things the the downloadable Classroom instructional materials. I think is better. I guess what I would prefer is if it were an independent maybe open source organization Providing the backbone for this rather than Amazon, which can change their mind someday start charging for things shut down the program I mean Google's very famous for just like a we're bored with this now It doesn't really work for us shut it down and leave people in the lurch. Yeah I mean that is definitely a concern But I feel like Google at least is in this for the long haul they've been they've been doing stuff for education for for quite some time and I In my brain as you're kind of nagging on this I'm like, what if Google's just grooming kids to be like Google automatons. That's the fear That's the that's the real fear I think what we're talking about here is that we just are concerned that they're indoctrinating the youth of America to work in their Google brain farms in in 15 years Well, well my wife who works for Google and I will retire to the Google Moon colony where they go old people Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that I'm saying these are bad ideas I'm just trying to come up with the questions and I'd love to hear from any teachers in the audience if you're like, no This is great. We absolutely need this of or if you're like, yeah, I'm a little skeptical too Or whatever feedback at daily tech news show calm. I do want to dial it back a little bit I think it's excellent that any company is wanting to do things to help the educational system and on the surface all three of These the Chromebooks probably the less of the three but Amazon and spy and project blocks very directly Help the consumers for nothing, right? Yeah, the consumers the students if you like if you like at Google blocks as JJ in the chat room also recommended little bits is another fantastical fantastical. They're not fantastical. They really They're a company Female founded company that create have created a tangible programming tools for kids And you can buy some of their kits as well for for home if you want to just teach your kids how to do it It doesn't have to be school related, but you should check them out Yeah, go check all of this stuff out tangible programming itself whether it's blocks or not is Really interesting the idea that kids could be able to just play with blocks that do things And make like a little country they can make their own little dashboard for a robot that they can then use to run the robot And it's something they put together. I think it's a fantastic idea All right, let's get to our pick of the day. Comey writes regarding the topic of covering your computer's webcam Remember Mark Zuckerberg's a little fun poked at him for that said I'm using a product called spy shutter It's spelled SPI shutter for my MacBook Pro. We'll have a link to an Amazon place where you can buy it It's 20 bucks. So it's not cheap But comey says it's basically a strip of thin steel plate with a hole in the middle of it And it sticks to the magnets embedded next to the built-in camera of all MacBook models You can slide it sideways to cover and uncover the camera easily and it blends in very nicely. They do you buy it in different? Different different colors to make sure it fits yours I'm checking this out on the Amazon page. Yeah, it's 20 bucks on Amazon That's kind of me a coma even pointed out you could build this yourself But if you've got 20 bucks to spare, I guess then you don't have to mm-hmm Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find more picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks The emails that came in regarding the car B. Oshie maru Episode from last Thursday and our bonus conversation about it between Justin say car B. Oshie Yes, because it's the it's the unwinnable situation for a self-driving car, right? That that was the whole idea is like what happens with a self-driving car gets in a situation where it can't not kill someone Does it protect the passenger or does it protect the others? And if the others outnumber the passengers should it still protect the passenger? There was a survey where people said I want it to protect the most number of people in Abstract but if I'm buying a car and I have the choice. I'm going to buy the one that protects the passenger at all costs Lots people are like this is a silly question It doesn't mean anything a lot of people just wanted to avoid the question like yeah But it can always find a way not to kill people and it's like well wishful thinking But Kevin I picked Kevin's email to represent most of you and he's in fest happy Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Sounds really fun I work for a major medical device manufacturer that may or may not have two letters in its name When we evaluate failure modes one of the questions we ask is what is the likelihood of the occurrence? I think that needs to be considered in the who should the car kill discussion if we have self-driving cars The likelihood of this situation happening should be much lower than it is today I assume people are answering the survey as if the accident rate will be that of today But if they knew this would happen say twice per year across the entire United States would they answer the same Just food for thought I'd be okay if my car made the kill the driver decision But I think on the whole will need legislation to ensure that universally The kill the driver's decision Yeah, well because some people said look I I totally understand the answers I had several people point out like if you're asking me What should that car do and I might be on this on the either side of the equation? I'm gonna say it should protect the most number of people But if I'm if you're asking me, okay, you're going to be the passenger Do you want it to protect the passenger that you're gonna say yes protect the passenger? That's just human nature, right? But now we have a study that shows it the other thing that people were saying is I don't understand a situation where this would happen There will always be a way to not have to kill anybody So I looked around there's there's lots of examples of this problem But just for those of you who couldn't imagine the situation here it is You're in a self-driving car that's following a big truck with a heavy machine on the back of it For whatever reason that heavy machine comes loose And it's going to fall on your car and it is big enough that it will kill the passenger inside one passenger in the self-driving car Two motorcycles each with a side car. So there's two people on each motorcycle You don't need any special sensors the car knows that there are two people in each of these motorcycles You as the self-driving car will either have to let the thing hit the car and kill the passenger or Swerve to the left or right to avoid it thus ensuring the death of the two people on the motorcycles What do you choose? Yeah, I don't know. Do I have to answer this? No, you don't have to answer that the self-driving car will though And as our programmer friend wrote in last week We may not know how the self-driving car answers it We could run simulations, but you may answer that question a different way than another question GKO in the chat says has nobody explored the have the car kill everyone option You know, I don't think anyone would go for that but it for complete a sake He's Giko's right for fairness really. I mean, it's about fairness. It is another scenario. So it's about fairness in car-killing journalism Self-driving cars. 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Going to show bot TV and seeing if there's a title that looks good to you And it's voting for my SF Giants with the all-star game. Yeah. Yeah. No, no the not the all-star game Yes, the all-star game palette. Yes Not the all-star game Tom the all-star game. I'm sorry. I know I was mistaken. Oh Everything's about Twitter stickers. Oh Yeah, cuz a lot of times people get inspired by the first story I Go guys go to show but start voting Get you know get this stuff up to the top Google brain farms. I like that one Yeah, that one was that one was funny Tom hates hashtags a lot of hashtags Feel the learn Fantastic Cal Veronica is not dashing what? Oh mean title I don't remember what's stuck in the past is about the hashtags being stuck in the past not liking hashtags I said that about myself I like feel the learn feel the learn All right, let's go with that. That's me. I like that one too So I guess there's some drama with the podcast awards. Oh you guess. Yes, they're they're what happened um I okay So to to explain I wasn't up for anything. So no, I have to yeah Well, I was up for cord killers cord killers didn't win which is fine. I don't love awards shows You know this about me. I yeah On the same time. I don't want to appear ungrateful Like I the podcast awards honored daily tech news show with an award last year and I'm very appreciative of that I also am incredibly appreciative of what the diamond club audience the chat realm audience did With the voting campaign. So so don't take my apathy about awards in general to be Unappreciation, but yeah, so I didn't really watch the awards last night, but I guess Uh, as soon as the awards were done They put up a note saying we are aware that there was a Cheating allegation against this website and they put t2 t2s website up What? Uh the heading the system and so then I don't I don't go I don't really remember all the things But they kept changing the notice so we're the scandal so the scandal was that like The feeling is that because of hadding the system the t2 t2.eu slash hadding the system site The The shows involved had an unfair advantage over smaller shows that don't have That kind of technical expertise Hmm, okay, and so once again, they're going to change things next year To reflect that this year. They changed things by disqualifying everybody who won last year from winning again I all I they say diamond group. I think that's where the confusion diamond group You know the diamond group. Oh the diamond group Uh, that sounds like an insurance company The diamond group ensuring quality Liabilities since 1834 Uh, anyway, like I get it too I I get why people who are like well, I don't have an awesome group of people to code me a website But my show is still good. It should still win like the idea is like everyone should just vote for that What they think is the best show and I and I get that I get that But um, and this is just a slate. It's not a hack. It's a slate. That's all it is It's a slate. Yeah, but then it becomes the then The the feeling is Because it's a slate then it's it's basically based on who can organize people better. Not what's the best show Gotcha Drama yeah That's another reason why I don't like the other words Yeah Because they always they almost always cause drama Anyway, I hope that the folks behind the podcast awards can figure out a really good way Maybe talk to the hugo people hugo people have had to deal with even worse Right actual hostile takeovers of their awards The system so, you know, there's there's ways to do it. I hope they hope they're able to figure it out Because it's one of those things we're like well the rules permitted you to do this So, I don't know A lot of spirit of the awards versus the letter of the law Conversations happening. Mm-hmm. Gotcha Anyway, you did I don't know that you realized you were opening that bag of worms But that's that's those are that's what the worms that are in that bag Yeah, I just saw like Scott and some other people tweeting about it And then when I was clicking through the podcast awards page, I'm like diamond group diamond group Oh It me You know The diamond group Since 1837 Crazy. Yeah, and people are like well, it's they'd put it up to a fan vote on the internet Wait is Todd is oh Podcast awards is Todd Cochran. Isn't it? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah buzz out loud was nominated I think we buzz out loud even one one like way back in the day. Maybe Hmm fascinating podcast world is tearing itself apart You're tearing me apart podcast awards Listen, if I felt stronger about awards shows I'd probably make an impassioned plea for everybody to like try to understand the other side and work to make this work for everybody So that impassioned fan bases Can support their shows just do what mlb does build the same system have Have to sign up by your email address and you can vote every day every day is what they did That's what they did Oh Okay So it sounds like just Okay Okay This is silly I get it though. I get it. I get it. I do because I get being upset. I also get like I don't know Well, the it becomes a popularity contest no matter what you do. Yeah, it always is and that's why I hate this The people who are upset or we're like, hey, I want it to be a thing where even if my show isn't as well known People can listen to it and go. Oh, that's a really good show and vote for it And I might win because I have a really good show that is the ideal Yeah, but when you have a slate then that's why I feel like I like stuff by committee like like the uh like parsec awards because it's I don't know. I mean, maybe that's even less fair. I don't know because people can have biases spicy, you know Those awards are just awful in general It's kind of what I feel That's I mean, they're not awful, but they are always what they are which is subject to someone's bias somehow So awful because people are awful typically No People are awful. We need awards shows that appeal to the better. Oh my website really is down franticabalmont.com is down Oh, no, that must mean sordid lasers down to square spaces having trouble square space down Let's see. Nope sordid lasers up still Oh, mostly well, that's weird. Maybe it's different. Well, like one server is down, but not a lot Weird no no my site's back up. Okay. They're fixing it. Well. Yeah, that's probably what it was probably just down for a split second I'm pivoting professionally. I haven't seen I didn't see this since you changed it. Yep I like that you are literally pivoting in the picture Signed up for my newsletter I don't know. Wow five people signed up for my newsletter. Thanks guys. Well done Thanks chat room Hi, Ryan. I can hear Ryan. Can you is your Ryan on because I my Ryan's on a little loud. Sorry I forgot to turn my Ryan off before the podcast Get it in fact, I'm gonna turn my air conditioner back on So you don't hear Ryan anymore. No because I had to turn it off because I do you would notice it if it came on Oh, you are looking a little sweaty Just kidding. You're not really looking sweaty. I just know I probably am It's no you're not it's warming up in here What was I gonna go look at? I'm tired. I might take a nap before the sorghum laser book club Oh, yeah, I let me know what folks think about time traders Okay Yeah, thanks specifically to jackie hern for signing up for the newsletter. So Yay jackie hern It's good stuff I uh Oh, is that why that's sort of it? I um Uploaded the daily tech headlines show to soundcloud today. Mm-hmm So if people are using the soundcloud you are rss for some reason which you're If you are you're probably not actually listening to this But Spread the word if you are then you're gonna get headlines and dtns together because they're both in there Oh, it's kind of look at good reads. That's right. Why is that not working? Feel the learn that's our title, right? Yep You know, I I collect the buttons of the major candidates every year every four years, I guess Uh, I ordered a bernie sanders a donald trump and a hillary clinton I have not gotten the hillary clinton one yet. Oh The other two came pretty quick Wow, I love that our book pick this month is free on kindle. Yeah, that's great I went ahead and got audible. I used one of my credits for audible They do have it. Mm-hmm. And I think it's even whisper sync But I don't think it whisper syncs with the free version Oh, what because there's because it's public domain. Um Okay, that's okay. All right. Bye. Bye. Okay. I'll go over to hotline monday. We're almost done That's hotline bling It's still what I think about every time I hear the name of that show Yeah, me too I don't know that that's a bad thing. All right. No, I don't think it's a bad thing. It's just a thing It's a thing tom. It's a thing. That used to be a show That used to be a show that used to be a thing that used to be a thing It's not a thing right now. It might become a thing again. I'm not gonna say never I'll win that hotline thing Is archive not working still? It wasn't working this morning Field to learn Anyway, a politic on they had this woman selling political buttons like classic political buttons So I got myself a richard daily for mayor button I got a uh mcgovern button and an anderson for president button And one that said chap aquatic is just water under the bridge Oh, I got my carthy button too I guess uh, they were pretty cheap too. So I guess collecting old campaign buttons is not a uh hot commodity Good hobby to have cheap. All right, we are published cool Well There you go. Hope you enjoyed that everyone Thanks for listening. I'm gonna go take a nap now. You're probably Where oh, there you are. Okay. Bye everybody. Bye