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I always, I love spending time with my brother and his wife and, of course, the darling, newest, the newly minted Jackson Young, turning one years old next weekend. Happy birthday to Jackson, who has a door, just two little teeth, that's all he has, and they're perfect. He's like a very, he's a very- He got what he wanted for Christmas! He did, he is a very photogenic baby. All right, let's get this party on the road, shall we? Let's do it. Here we go. The Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by its listeners, not outside organizations. To find out how you can contribute, go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is The Daily Tech News Show powered by its audience for Thursday, March 30th, 2017. I'm Tom Merid, Justin Robert Young, alongside Dave Florida today. Indeed, I come to you from Ultamont Springs, just north of Orlando, where I'm here for the thrill ride itself, WrestleMania this weekend. Excellent! We have a thrill ride of stories for you today as well, including what you actually need to know about ISP privacy. It's fine to be outraged. It's fine to be not outraged about the ISP privacy stuff. Justin Robert Young, I'm gonna break it down for you, though, of the things that will feed you in deciding between one or some gradient between those two states. Enjoy the buffet of information as you nourish yourself for these discussions. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook announced a tool to help users raise funds in six categories. It's kind of a go fund me thing. Education, medical, pet, medical, crisis relief, personal emergencies, funerals. The new options are open to US users 18 or older and Facebook pages now get a donate button they can have go live during their Facebook live broadcasts to raise money for nonprofits. Interesting where they wanna launch this because it seems more of a go fund me competitor than it does a Kickstarter competitor. I would not be shocked if this is just their first toe in the water where they believe it can catch fire quickly. Yeah, well, this is maybe the second toe because they've been doing some donation things, some charity promotion things. So this is extending on them. Yeah, and bringing it down to the single person level. Meanwhile, Lyft started trials of a shuttle service in San Francisco and Chicago with drivers going on fixed routes and predetermined pickup and drop off locations during commute hours. Huh, it's a, it's, you know, I don't, hmm. Yeah, all right. I mean, you know, this is something especially in the Bay Area where a lot of people have tried, a lot of people have tried to solve this. There are totally non-centralized casual carpool pickups. Chariot is a very famous, you know, solution for this that is not necessarily caught on. So it'll be curious to see whether or not Lyft will do it well. And if it does, how quickly Uber does it as well? Let me know if you're taking that Arlington Heights to the loop Lyft shuttle, Chicagoans. Now here are some more top stories. Twitter has rolled out a change to Android, iOS and the web exempting the user names of people you are replying to from counting in the 140 character limit of your tweets. In other words, app replies don't count no more. Names of people you're replying to will show in smaller text above the tweet itself. And I actually did a little reply to Justin Robert Young to see if I don't use the reply button, the app reply does count against the 140 character. It's only if you use the button in one of the apps, including tweet deck actually, then it will not count those, those app replies. I know this is your least favorite version of this analysis of any Twitter analysis, but shouldn't, I mean, all right, you get frustrated because I want to say shouldn't this have happened a million years ago and your call and response is yes, but it's happening now. Yeah, exactly, right. Good though, this is a good change. I mean, yes. It is an improvement on their core business. I'll give you this, even farther in your court is they talked about doing this a year ago. I think it was in May. So maybe not quite a full year, but not moving fast on that. And also, the other thing I want to point out is I saw this in practice for myself. I know it's rolling out differently to different users, but I saw this in practice before I saw the story about it. Like it got to me very quickly and maybe I'm unusual in that respect, but I immediately was like, oh, this is cool. I don't have to think about counting those names anymore. That's great. Yeah, I definitely saw people making fun to say that Donald Trump can add an extra failed, you know, now that he doesn't have to add- More sad, yeah. Yeah, now that he doesn't have to have at NYTI addresses. Meanwhile, Tesla updated its autopilot software for Tesla cars built since October, 2016. Update includes lane departure warnings, auto-steer at speeds up to 80 miles an hour, auto-lane change in response to turn signal, and summon, which pulls the car out of a parking space without the driver inside. Some of these features like summon were available on older models with different sensor hardware. Yeah, so that's confusing to some people. There were older models of Tesla with different hardware that could do some of these things. Then they put out the new models that had the newer hardware, but they didn't have the firmware to run things like summon yet. So older models could do summon and the newer ones couldn't. And now we're kind of back at parody with a couple of extra features that the older models can't do yet. And here's something that I think kind of gets lost when we talk about Tesla and specifically where it's trying to raise the bar, especially as a luxury brand that you're going to spend money on, is that the idea that the car you buy two years from now could be better without you having to buy a new car. That they are going to look at it as, the way that we look at buying a MacBook that eventually it's going to have different operating systems and apps and it's going to function like a different machine, whereas normally with automobiles, you buy it and it drops half the value when it gets off the lot and you're forever pining for all the new bells and whistles on new cars. I don't think this is going to get rid of depreciation necessarily, but it certainly keeps a debate a little bit. I can't wait for Tesla fragmentation to become a thing. Like, how many Tesla owners have updated their firmware? Well, does it push automatically? Yeah, it does. In fact, that would be Tesla's response is like, they don't have to worry about it. It just goes to them. But you know, you know, there's going to be a few Tesla owners that try to figure out how to block that feature. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I hack and reflash my Tesla. The Vector Institute for Artificial Intelligence will launch in Toronto Thursday. It will research deep learning and applications for AI funding coming from the Canadian federal government, the Ontario provincial government along with 30 businesses. Alphabet, AKA Google, is among them as well as RBC. Banking exec Ed Clark will head the Institute and Jeff Hinton, whose work is fairly well known out of Toronto for the AI space, will be the Institute's chief scientific advisor. You should know Thompson Reuters and General Motors both recently moved their AI labs to Toronto and RBC itself is opening its own machine learning lab there. Microsoft's funding a startup over in Montreal. Google's doing some funding with the university in Montreal. So it's becoming an AI hotbed up there, Justin. Yeah. Silicon Snowdrift, huh? Right. When Skynet comes, it may come from the big skies of Canada. You know, it's always exciting to see where these things wind up bubbling up. And normally you can sort of track it based on where the education centres on these are. That, you know, Silicon Valley certainly kind of sprung up around Stanford and, you know, we've seen Pittsburgh become a greater hub for it because of Carnegie Mellon. I'm curious to see why, you know, AI has really kind of taken hold in Toronto. Yeah. I mean, Jeff Hinton is one of those reasons. He's been leading some good projects up in the university and that attracts some more attention. And now the government is trying to pour a little money to boost that and attract more AI brains to come up to Toronto, which Toronto has a fairly big tech presence already. So it's just got the general buzz on the ground. Well, and you would hope that, you know, making it a little bit easier to do business would defray some of the higher taxes that people have to pay in the Great White North. App Annie projects consumers spending on apps will go 33% this year with growth in mobile commerce and in-app advertising growing right alongside. The bulk of the revenue will come from China, with Japan, the most revenue per device. Revenues from all Android app stores will surpass iOS, but when you separate the Android stores out, iOS will remain in front with Google Play. Second. That's the two headlines I saw in this story. Depending on where in the world the story was being written. One was Asia Pacific leads in app revenue for developers, mostly because of China. And the other one was Android will pass iOS if you combine all the third party stores together. But it is interesting, you know, it's a bellwether. And frankly, it should have, talk about this, why didn't it happen earlier? Like there are so many Android devices out there. You can't expect iOS to lead in revenue forever, especially if you count all the third party stores. And with China becoming a larger market for this as smartphones penetrate into the populace, it's almost a foregone conclusion that yes, Asia Pacific is gonna lead the way because of China and all those Android phones, which means when you add third party markets, of course, Android is gonna lead in funding. And Apple, you know, traditionally is unafraid of not being the leader, right? They want to make the most money out of it. And that, you know, obviously having a monstrous iOS store will certainly benefit that. But if you look at, at Android's, you know, your friend of mine, your tenant of Brett the Amtrak runs though with his mission pick app. The biggest question that he always gets is where's the Android version? Where's the Android version? It's something that happens to a lot of developers who develop initially for iOS because you have to worry less about fragmentation and people tend to spend more money on the iOS app store. Now that were mis-turning. Now, if you combine all of the Android app stores, people are, you know, starting to eclipse that number. But still, fragmentation remains, the differences between all the devices and carriers remains in optimizing your experience for everybody is still there. But the good news for Android users, at least the money is kind of close to where we probably should. It's starting to come, yeah. And fragmentation becomes this loaded word where people start getting arguments of like, well, not all iPhones are up to date on their iOS. It's honestly not what we mean. What Justin is using up for is the way it should be used, which is when you're developing on Android, you have multiple versions of hardware out there that you have to develop for and multiple app stores if you're developing worldwide because of the fact that Google Play isn't available in China and there are other very popular third-party app stores out there as well. So it's not a bad word. It's not a condemnation. It's just saying you have a more complex market. It's the same issue that Windows had versus Mac. You could develop for one set of hardware, you know, or a limited set of hardware with Apple, or you can develop for Windows where it's like, eh, might not work on every tablet or every laptop out there. And that's just a different marketplace that makes it more complex. I'm wondering if Brett shouldn't contract someone in China to create a version of Mission Pick for their store and then port that over to the Google Play store. Well, all I'm saying is everybody should, number one, download Mission Pick. Yes, absolutely. Everybody should at reply Amtrek or on Twitter and ask him when the Android version's coming. That's A-M-T-R-E-K-K-E-R. This is my favorite story of the day. I actually had this originally in our little quick hits at the very top and I just couldn't stop thinking about it. Microsoft is going to sell its own customized version of the Samsung Galaxy S8 called the Microsoft Edition. Since the S8 already comes with Office, Skype, and OneDrive, that means they're adding Cortana, and Outlook, and I guess Bing, and MSN News, and a few other apps like that. I haven't seen a full complete list yet. But I find this to be fascinating on several levels. A lot of people obviously pointing out the obvious, which is that Windows phones are still a thing. They may be declining, but Microsoft still sells them. So where is this gonna go in the Windows phones section of the Microsoft online store? Probably not. Will they just rename it phones, I guess. But it's also kind of genius for Microsoft to say, hey, you know what? We have these signature editions of computers that we sell where we say only Microsoft software, no bloatware, no adware, and they're essentially doing the same thing with Samsung's cooperation on the phone. You know, this is a reflection of what we've seen with Microsoft since Sachin Adela has come on, right? They've taken great pains to make mobile a priority and understand that the idea that they were going to forever marry their hardware and their software was something that they were going to have to be flexible on. They have a lot of pride in where their mobile apps are compared to where they used to be four years ago. So the idea that this is a new branching out, that they are coming to a flagship phone, something that's going to drive a lot of excitement, that's gonna sell a lot of units, provided that they don't have another hardware disaster like they did last year, the Samsung Galaxy S8 is going to be a premier device. And the fact that they can step into this market, to me, com is just another sign that Sachimania is still running wild. It's running even wilder. You know, I say they have a phone section. I can't find it now. They may have taken it away. Devices, Microsoft Surface, all Windows phones, there it is, okay, so it is still there after all. And yeah, you can still go and buy a Windows phone should you want to. Well, and again, I wanna harp on this. Their apps are good. They've hired really, really, really good developers and they've emerged best in class products to make what they do better. There are a lot of people that choose to use these and considering there's a lot of people that use a lot of these, including Outlook specifically for their business that now having an easier integration into a top of the line, a premier phone is going to be attractive to some people. Yeah, so instead of the Lumia 950 or the Elite X3, you can get a Samsung Galaxy S8 Microsoft edition. That's, I'm fascinated, I'm fascinated. Cause like you say, this is Sachimania running wild. He's like, we don't really even care what the operating system is. As long as you're using Microsoft, we're gonna give you that experience. Hey, what you gonna do, buyer, when Sachimania runs wild on you? To get all the tech headlines each day in less than five minutes, subscribe to our sister show, DailyTechHeadlines.com. All right, folks, I know you already know about the ISP privacy rule and I know you listened to yesterday's show where I made it very clear that in fact, what the ISPs can do now is no different than what they could do yesterday. All the law did was say the FCC's new rules that were scheduled to go mostly into effect in December won't go into effect now. But one thing we didn't get into yesterday, Justin, was what restrictions are there on the ISPs? It's like, it's not like there aren't any rules for telecommunication companies. So the existing restrictions are a little surprising. You may not realize, but under the Telecommunications Act, a carrier is specifically prevented from selling individual information. And I bring this up because there's a lot of very spurious GoFundMe and the like campaigns out there saying give us a bunch of money and we'll go buy the actual browsing history of individual congressional members and make it public. And the fact is you can't do that. It's actually against the law to buy in individuals without their permission. The telecoms can't do that. You can give aggregated information. ISPs under the Telecommunications Act have explicit authority to give aggregated information. And that's where I think Max Temkin may be coming from because he's not collecting your money, first of all, but saying I'm going to buy congressional browsing information and make it public. He may be thinking, I could go, if I can get an ISP to do this, I could go to them and say, I would like to target ads to people who are members of Congress. Can I buy that? Can I buy that browsing game? So again, I just want to repeat this because it's been driving me up the wall. The idea that you can just find that your senator has bought something illicit and now shame them publicly is not something that right now. And to be fair, Max Temkin in a Reddit post made clear what, he didn't say it outright, but I will speculate, seemed to be a bit of a spur of the moment tweet, which has kind of snowballed into something completely different. He warned against some of the GoFundMeets, which he said they're probably promising something that they cannot deliver. And number two, the idea that they could try to get a large amount of data, cross-reference that with ISPs that are known to be with federally owned buildings and then try to cross-reference it with other data to find stuff. But this is not something that you can just, that now everybody would be able to find out what you or I are doing exactly every second of the day. At least that is not what this is right now. Right, telecoms again, rules haven't changed and the rules up till now have said telecoms can't sell individual information, individually identifiable customer information that's in the law. They do have the authority to sell aggregated information with a caveat though. Under the part of the 2010 open internet rules and this gets confusing because we think of the open internet rules as being the 2015 ones, the ones that classified telecoms as a common carrier. But under earlier rules from 2010, I think it was the Genekowski administration at that point, they put in transparency requirements. Now, the courts said that the net neutrality parts of the 2010 rules weren't okay, but they said the transparency rules were. So those transparency rules from 2010 are still in effect. They require ISPs to disclose how they manage your information. So if they are selling your aggregated browsing information, they have to disclose that and how they collect it. Verizon got dinged with this in last year because they were doing that super secret persistent cookie thing and not disclosing it. And so the FCC find them for that. So what do you think is the most persistent of misunderstood idea about this? Beyond just the fact that all of a sudden, individually I can find out exactly where Tom Merrick went and I can pay for that. I can make $25 to find out exactly where you went. Yeah, those are the biggest misunderstandings are one, that there's a change in the rule, there hasn't been. Two, that suddenly now everybody's browsing information is just up on a site for sale. It is, but not from ISPs. It's from hackers on the dark. Yes. That is not what we're talking about here. ISPs are not making this available. What really nothing has changed. Honestly, the only thing that's changed is AT&T had a promotion where they would sell you internet access at a lower rate if you agreed to let them scan your browsing history. They were getting your permission in that case. A lot of people were saying, hold on, under these new rules, that might not be okay, even though you're getting permission because it's a payment difference. There may be a power difference there. So AT&T backed off of that in advance of these new rules, AT&T might be able to change back to doing that and saying if you let us target you with some ads and scan your browser history, then we'll give you a cheaper price. And really, that's the room we're talking about. There's a lot of public pressure on ISPs, even lacking competition, not to violate people's privacy. There's a lot of sunshine on this. There's a rule, as we just mentioned, that they have to be transparent about what they do. So they're still, even without the rules in place, very careful about how they use your personal information. What has changed is they now have the freedom to do so and only public opinion to fight, not an actual law or rule or regulatory rule in this case. That's an easier fight. It's not a no-brainer fight, but that's an easier fight. So they're going to push the boundaries more. They have more latitude to push that. And it's possible that the new FCC might change the transparency rules. That could be coming down the road as well. And I think that is what we need to focus on. And so I think if we could speak editorially here, the point is not to say, go back to bed, everything's fine. Right, exactly. The point is rather to say, let's understand exactly what we're looking at here. Because if then in concert with this, FCC rules are relaxed and start to say things that are different than what they say now, then yes, a lot of what we are fearing in this post-apocalyptic hellscape where everybody can understand where everybody is for a bargain basement price, then we worry about that. But right now, we are just at a waypoint between stations and possibly we never get that. Let me put it to you this way. A lot of people don't search for things on Google because they don't want Google to use that. It's not that they're worried about a guy or a woman at Google knowing that they were searched for cure this rash, it's that they know that's going to affect the Google Now cards they get, the ads they see and they just, it's a chilling effect, right? I'm not going to search for this on Google. I'm going to open an incognito window for that because I don't want that to be in my browsing history. Under the current system, the ISPs can look at everything you browse and sell on that in a way you can't escape. There's no provision for opt-out. They aren't doing that yet. So don't freak out yet. But they could and they have to tell you at least at this point. They would have to let you know. If they do. But they could and suddenly for the people who are like, why do we even care about this? Suddenly every website you go to has that same someone looking over your shoulder feeling to it and you stop going to certain websites because you don't want it to be in that ISPs browsing history and serve you ads and show up on lists and get emails, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Now, the interesting element of this is what happens now this has been thrust into the public square. And if we are in a situation where either by technology or by government, we mentioned last week, the one dig thing, there is more competition where, if let's say all of a sudden Google has gotten out of the fiber business but now they're in the over-the-air transmitted business, right? And they want to get and they want to offer a service. But they're slowing down on fiber, yeah. Let's, okay, so it's just hypothetic. Walk down this gilded path. Sure, sure. Now, all of a sudden there is an option where they say, hey, guess what? Although Google would probably not do this because this is literally how they make money. But let's imagine that Google said when it came to internet, like, hey, we're not going to search your stuff and we're going to offer you better privacy and a better price. Or as a way to differentiate themselves, one of the bigger players, or let's say third place players, like either ATT or Verizon, whoever has the lower market size, they say, okay, we're going to differentiate ourselves as an option that maybe you'll get slower speeds or maybe you'll pay more, but we won't offer, we will not track everything that you do. If it becomes a public football, then now all of a sudden it is something that the market would dictate, it would value privacy, which for right now, considering how little I think we know about this and this whole conversation has kind of laid that bear, greatly prefer that we value privacy more in the public marketplace. Because right now, considering how much we just turn a blind eye to the Googles and Facebooks of the world and how much they know of us, I think it would be a good thing. And that's the other thing here is the only argument for blocking these rules was that somehow it would reduce the ISPs ability to market themselves and innovate and make money because they would be a disadvantage to the Googles and Facebooks of the world who are governed by the FTC rules. However, now because ISPs are a common carrier, they are not subject to FTC rules. In fact, they can't be subject to FTC rules. They are only subject to FCC rules, which there aren't any now. So they are only subject to the Telecommunications Act and its rules, which there are some, as we've mentioned, but we've kind of left them off the hook without any guidelines. They're not subject to the FTC rules at all. So on the one hand, they have a freer hand. On the other hand, this has put a huge spotlight on them. And I think they are less likely to do anything with this kind of history at the moment for fear of the backlash. They're gonna wait till it dies down. Well, wait for the trial balloons, right? This is always what happens. It's gonna be some major city where they're gonna start doing it and they're gonna see exactly how it plays. Yeah, so keep an eye out for that. But there you go. I hope we've given you a fairly good idea of what you should be concerned with if you want to be concerned. And if you wanna break down all of this, I actually posted this on our Patreon as my weekly column, the DTNS Weekly Tech Update, at patreon.com slash DTNS. And this week, usually, that only goes to the backers at $5 a month, but this week it's available free for everyone. So if you wanna read that, we'll have a link to it in the show notes or go to patreon.com slash DTNS. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit, too. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. A couple messages of the day. First, Sunil, welcome to the show, Sunil, writes, coming to the show at number 2996, around the 26-minute mark, you mentioned the Steve Jobs analogy of how a tool helps us enhance our physical and mental powers. Yeah, Patrick was mentioning that. I've seen this interview a few years back and wondered why would a man who believed that humans needed tools to amplify their nature be bothered on using a stylus to interact with devices? If I remember correctly, 2006 to 2007 was the time the stylus was trying to disrupt the market, and I'd like to know if I'm missing a backstory here. I think that in Steve Jobs' mind, at number one, the stylus kind of became a little bit of an unfair whipping boy as a way to differentiate and highlight the then-revolutionary multi-touch and gestures interface for the iPhone, but it just was the easiest way that you could say, look how far our technology is compared to the technology that is being offered by our competitors. I certainly won't pretend to be able to speak for what Steve Jobs would say, but from what I know, he was arguing that your fingers are better than the stylus because you can't lose them, and so I would imagine you would argue that a touchscreen is a more direct connection than a stylus in that using your computer like a bicycle for the mind. Meanwhile, Lee writes, I know that you mentioned on the show that people get scared of AI taking our jerbs, but I think that people who believe this is going to happen are completely correct. However, it should be kept in mind that this process may take hundreds or thousands of years. Between now and then we will continue to invent new human jobs based on new technologies until we get to the point where AI is so advanced that it literally takes care of our every need while in parallel, we've cyborg ourselves to a whole new species. He speculates Homo deus, or deus rather. Homo deus. Yeah, probably deus. Yeah, probably deus. Watch a little bit of Black Mirror and consider things such as mind upload computers, see the episode San Junipero, and eventually physical humans themselves may just become extinct and replaced with digital versions. I highly recommend the book Homo deus by Yuval Noah Harari. It's an enlightening and well thought out pieces on where humans and technology are going. I love this because he's saying, yeah, you're right. There's a certain point where the computers just take over all our responsibilities and what would jobs mean then, but that's a long way off. And we're gonna keep going through this cycle for a long time. I appreciate the email, that was good. And I will check out Homo deus by Yuval Noah Harari as well. Thank you, Justin, Robert Young for joining us as always. Of course, as you mentioned, you're off to see the wrestling in Florida, I assume we'll be getting an episode of your wrestling show on that. Oh, you're gonna be getting a couple of them, both my co-host, Willie Dills Gregory, and I will be going to several of the independent shows throughout the weekend. You can expect a couple bonus episodes of our podcast, 1-900-Wrestling, to go up in the feed as we do that. We're gonna do it audio-documentary style, which is something that we did during Royal Rumble in San Antonio, that was super fun, and we'll do that again this time. But I will just leave everybody with a fun, happy WrestleMania weekend. Fantastic. Real quickly, just a note, if you haven't heard me mention it elsewhere, I have a novel out called Pilot X. It's a science fiction novel about a time traveler who just wants to fly his time ship and gets caught up into universal events and has to make a horrible decision between saving his own people or the rest of the universe. 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Back tomorrow with Chris Ashley from the SMR podcast, and of course, Len Peralta illustrating. Talk to you then. Joe is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. I hope you have enjoyed this program. Boom, good show. What should we call it? Hold on, wait a minute. Let me get my phone plugged in because... Uh-oh, you're gonna lose your internet. We lost Roger too. He can't hear you. There he is. Okay, he's back. Yes. More ways to gain weight. More ways to gain weight. More ways, W-A-Z-E, like mapping ways to gain weight. I don't... That's from yesterday's show, isn't it? Oh, okay, show about was late. Yeah, maybe show about didn't get cleared. I got W. Scott, someone just sent me, or BioCal sent me a link, and I just looked at it because W. Scott. All right. There are no votes in the regular sense, so I'll just go through the titles real quick. Okay, cool. ISP ortole, IS portal. So ISP and then ortole to hell. Got it, okay. Go Facebook me, fun book. The wheels on the lift go round and round. Where in the world is a story written? The best edition Microsoft can buy and Microsoft has spelled M with the dollar sign. Microsoft explores the enterprise with Galaxy. What you're gonna do when Sacha comes for you? Stelling private data is transparent. Internet history hysteria. ISPs can sell your, our private parts. Can you buy my personal data? Someone in the sea of personal data has a rash. Let's sell them our cream. Oh my gosh. You know, I almost, I wish that there was some title that kind of gave like one of those screaming contrarian, like stop freaking out about the ISP thing or something like that. I would say like, you're worried about the wrong thing. Oh yeah, there's something there. You're worried about the wrong thing. Yeah. Why you're worrying about the wrong ISP privacy issue is really long and probably should be used. What's a snappier way of saying that? Yeah, yeah. This is not the ISP privacy fight you're looking for or something, this is not, you know. But we can't do your amazing hand wave along with it, unfortunately. Is it there an emoji that comes back? Yeah, you can't have a patent on your hand wave. Yeah. This isn't the ISP privacy fight you're looking for. Well, you know, I'll tell you what, these are always the episodes that I love the most because it's like, man, stuff can get echo chambered really, really fast. It does. I also sent you the link in Slack, just if you want to look at the titles yourself. It's a Google spreadsheet. Gotcha. Thanks for doing that, by the way. I'm sorry, showbots now, but it's very cool that you guys put it all together anyway. BioCal did it, did the work, did it. He didn't break it. You know, did it, did it, did it. Yeah, I'm busy editing at the right the moment, but I'll take a look at this. There are bigger ISP privacy fights to fry. ISP privacy. Internet privacy. Internet history hysteria? That's pretty good. I would say, I would say internet privacy hysteria. Loses the alliteration, but it's still pretty good. Yeah. How about the internet privacy history hysteria? I was gonna say internet privacy panic. Oh, perfect. Try that. You now with IPP? IPP. It's one, it's a few letters down from ICP. Can we do internet surveillance panic and be ISP? I kind of like that because I like panic. Panic to me is, that's the appropriate, because we're not saying this isn't a problem, we're saying don't panic. Like just slow your roll, think about what you really need to be worried about and focus on that because my feeling, and this is a common feeling in many arenas these days, is people get outraged about the wrong things and spend all their energy on them and then don't have the energy to change the thing that should have been changed. Oh, I know what you mean. I got a funny, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant friend of mine from Syracuse who has done a bunch of really, really cool stuff, is an entrepreneur and is launching a new mailing list. And his idea is basically that this is like, yes, it is a mailing list summarizing the new, but really this is a mental health challenge that you should give yourself out your consumption of social media or even websites, reputable websites that are designed and he has a problem this because he's worked with the redesigns on major websites before that are to keep you there, keep you clicking because like that's... So real quick, internet surveillance panic or internet privacy panic? I would say internet survey, get ISP because ISP is the notification. Carry on, you were saying. So it's like, we are now, and I mean now is in like this week or this month, right? I think in a, I have noticed it in this week, like moment where we're kind of waking up from this hangover of like the greatest social media binge of all time, and of course that's tied to the election. Yeah. And that I think his argument, and he's got research to back it up. I do not, I'm just repeating something that he told me is like that you are making worse decisions and you are robbing yourself of health, wealth, and happiness by saying so plugged in that you are getting yourself outraged, you're focusing on the wrong things, you're losing focus on the larger things that matter, and you owe it to yourself to be disciplined with how much time you spend in that echo chamber. And I think that part like this kind of stuff, man, it has all the hallmarks of it because it's a lot of people who don't know what this bill is, who are bringing, you know, a loaded political arguments into this that are making this about, you know, Trump wants to sell your things, which, you know, draw whatever lines you need to, but that kind of takes away from the central idea. And then are even going so far as to say, well, oh, okay, well, if you're gonna do this and here are the punitive measures I'm gonna take against you, which also belays the fundamental misunderstanding of what's happening, that we are now so far into the weeds. And it is, you know, because of this sort of like echo chambery, bingey element to it. Yeah. But I don't know exactly how much I agree with, but I think it's a very interesting idea. It's an interesting idea, because I see the two, I see the Max Temkin reaction being the considered reaction, which is like, we should figure out how to do this. I know you can't really just go buy one person's thing, but maybe there's something we can do, right? Like that, fine, if that's what you think, then that's the way to go about it. These like, give me $100,000 and I'll do it, that's just going off half cocked. Well, sure, sure. Although I think, you know, Max Temkin and I want to be very careful about what I say because I don't want to come off as critical of them because, you know, I also make a card game, right? And to be fair, he almost single-handedly created a market for which adult card games can thrive, for which I have taken, you know, a financial cut. Although if you've read the media articles about how well the contender did or how not well the contender did, you can understand it wasn't exactly a bouncy, a financial cut, but a financial cut doesn't work. Sure. But he's a political activist. And I think that at times, when your focus is specifically on political activism and not, let's say, privacy activism, then there's just a difference. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's different because for him, if he could cross-reference well-known ISPs that are on federal property and find that somebody in the office of Mitch McConnell bought a sex toy, then that's going to be a headline. Right. He's showing how the system works. He's showing, like, look, this is what these folks can do. But at the same time, you are, you know, revealing that somebody, some staffer possibly, or Mitch McConnell himself bought a sex toy, right? And he specifically called out, he specifically called out, like, you know, wait till we publish what your children bought. Yeah, that's not cool. Definitely not cool. But at the same time, that's a political argument. You're politically saying that we're going to target these folks and we are going to show them that they cannot hide. But that's where it starts to get crazy of, like, yes, but that's not what ISPs are going to do. So showing, like, hey, I can find this out about you and any advertiser can, too, is one thing. Saying I'm going to publicly embarrass people and their families, that's not what advertisers do. But it does, I mean, it's an extreme way of making the point of, but they could, I guess, and not get in legal trouble for it. I mean, I really wish. It's kind of like someone needs to have the ethics of security researchers in this, which is, you know, you sanitize data, you verify data without having people reveal you their passwords, you know, there's lots of procedures for doing that sort of thing that respect people's rights and don't, you know, and don't make that. I mean, listen, I'm all for, like I said before, us pushing forward the idea that we need to think more about how things are collected and how cool we are with it. Yeah, it's our data. That's, I mean, that's the principle I start from, which is I own that data. And I can enter an arrangement where I let you, Google or Verizon have that data and do certain things in exchange for a service, but I need to know what I'm getting for that. And also, I think, you know, we've said very often on this show that if you're not, you know, if you're not paying for it, you're the product. I think that there is an element with the ISV thing where I'm a little cheesed off that I have to pay for it and I'm the product. Well, it's like ads on the paid version of Hulu, right? Yeah, it's annoying. It's like, maybe it's okay, but it's certainly less obviously okay. Like, what am I getting for that? It should be annoying. Yes, absolutely. You're getting James Franco's Stephen King adaptation with commercials for Velvita. Yeah, am I getting fewer commercials than the free version? Am I getting, and so for the ISP, am I getting a cheaper rate because of that? Am I getting better service because of that? Or as I suspect with ISPs, they feel that they have maximized their margin of profitability on existing lines and infrastructure is too expensive. So they're looking ways to increase that margin with other revenue opportunities. Yeah. That's something I'm interested in helping them with. And so I'll take my business across the, oh wait, there's nothing across the street. Actually, there's nothing here. Oh yeah, there's nothing here. Yeah. Oh, Kedoki, I'm publishing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Colonel Panic. Now I got an MC frontal on stuck in my head. All right, guys, well, I'm going to make my way into the wild blue yonder of professional wrestling tonight. Ah, yeah. Have a good time, man. Evolve 80, the headlining match is ACH versus AXSaber Jr. for the Evolve Championship. Tonight, Joey Janela's spring break featuring Joey Janela versus former rocker Marty Janetti. This is gonna be a real fun, a fun time. 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