 So the first order of business is being called to order and the first part is the agenda. If everybody take a look at your agenda, we have a quorum. So we're good with the quorum. Can we first, 1.03 is motion to amend and adopt the agenda. Can I have a motion? Well, first of all, do we have any discussion? I'll move to adopt the agenda. Okay. All in favor? Anybody denied? Anybody abstaining? Okay. Yeah, that's good. I'll just leave it there. 2.10, approve of the minutes from the police commission meeting October 25th, 2022. Move to adopt the minutes. Do I hear a second? Any discussion? Seeing none. Motion carries. Now we have public forum. John, I told you we were going to be quick. Yeah, thank you. Well, the last time I did this, there was a clock going up there and I was watching it trying to gauge my remarks in two minutes. But thank you for giving me some time. I'm John Bosange. I don't think I met anybody else here. But thank you for your work. I know what that work is like. I was a park commissioner here and I've served on multiple boards and chaired multiple nonprofits boards here in Burlington. So I've got some experience in what you're doing. I appreciate your work. I really do. I was here December 5th and I made a presentation to the City Council. And I gave, I think I sent copies of that to you folks and I distributed some there for you. And I also have a copy of a Washington Post article that I found most interesting. So I've been very concerned with public safety here in Burlington. And I'm concerned with two issues and I want to ask you two questions. And that's it. And if we could have some dialogue in between them, that'd be great. First, I know that I've read the City Council is going to, at some point, maybe in January, vote to make the police chief permanent. I don't know if they have the votes to do that. I don't know what's going to happen. But in my presentation to the Council and in the letter that you have in front of you, I raised a rationale for doing that. And I feel very strongly about it. So my question to you is, if the Mayor calls for that vote, will the Commission as a group endorse that and advocate for that before the vote? And what will your position be as a group in support of that vote or not? So I leave that question with you. And I'm curious as to where you stand with that, the answer to that. I think the first step and the first step is that we haven't had a conversation about it as a group yet. Okay. Well, I hope you do because as I told the City Council and several city counselors I've met with business leaders and others in the community. That as a building principal, I'm retired now. Never in my wildest dreams would I or any principal take a job with an acting superintendent. Never do it. I don't know anybody who would. And if we're going to rebuild our police force with talented officers, you got to have a permanent chief to do so for stability. And for a sense of confidence that the boss is going to be around for a while. And if he's not or she's not, then you make a change, but you got to have a full time person. No officer is going to be coming up here with an acting police chief. It's not going to happen. If I was an acting principal, I'd have no credibility with parents, kids or the teachers union. No one would listen to me. And I wouldn't be able to do much. And I wouldn't be able to recruit good teachers because they wouldn't know if I was sticking around. So I ask you to consider that in your deliberations. And I ask you to really advocate for this. We need it. I've heard a lot of officers as I've explained to my letter. I've never seen Burlington like this. And I'm really scared for all of us. Second question is, I think there's going to be a ballot initiative to create. I guess I call it a citizens review panel or something like that. I'm not quite sure what the title is. And I've read all about that Portland, Oregon, different cities that have done it. And again, I go back to the analogy of what officer is going to come up here if they have that to worry about. And if they can't trust their chief and you, all of you, to deal with issues directly and confidently. Again, like myself, as a principal, if I had to deal with a parent advisory council that oversaw all my disciplines, all my curriculum issues, all the different things I deal with, I'd never take that position. No principal would. No one. So if you're going to recruit officers, and I know you're trying to do it, and I know money and incentives are there, having that hanging over their head, knowing that there's going to be some sort of citizens review panel, is going to keep them from implying here. They're not coming. And not that they don't feel that they need to be overseen and they need to be watched for abusive actions. They expect their boss and the commission and the mayor to take care of that. And that's our job to do that. You open it up, it's going to be a nightmare. We'll have officers leaving and you won't have any coming. So I ask you to think about what position you're going to take on that ballot initiative. Will you come out as a commission and come forward with a statement? And what would that statement be? It's very important symbolically and practically. It's very important that all eyes will be on you, you know, what's the commission going to do? What do they think? So I think your opinion and your voice is critical to answers to both of those issues. And I know you haven't talked about it. You will, I'm sure, and you'll be looked to for an opinion. And I hope it is in support of the chief and not in support of the ballot initiative. We need to do it better and we can do it better. So that's basically it. Okay. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your time. And I'd be willing to meet with anyone anytime to get into more of the logic and the reasoning and the history and the debate. I know now is not the time, but thank you for giving me a moment to express that to you. And thank all of you for listening who aren't here. Thanks guys. Okay. 4.01 chiefs report. Welcome chief. Thank you. Thanks very much. Thank you. And thank you for this opportunity. Apologies for coming in a little bit late. The chiefs report is available to share a screen for it. Thank you. Terrific. Thank you. Thank you. On the next slide. We will have Church Street there in the midst of the season. If you can go to the next slide. Thank you. So I start each of these of course with this slide just to sort of assume that sometimes people go to these presentations on the Internet and are seeing them for the very first time. So to the extent that it's redundant to the commission, apologies. It's 100,000 at the top pay once this contract matures. And there is a $15,000 hiring bonus. There's a lot of things to speak for this police department. Next slide, please. We are currently looking for dispatchers as well. We are paying 33.64 per hour to start. That includes a temporary emergency bonus that will not last past a certain staffing number, but we are looking to staff up this very, very important component of our police department. I don't know why this is going in and out, am I popping on it? Very important component of our police department. It really is our community's lifeline. Next, thank you. This is our headcount. We are at 62 officers as of December 1st, but we're actually at 63 as of today. We had a new officer, a lateral officer join us, technically an officer who had been with us before, had departed for another police department and returned to us. That makes two officers who have returned to us. A third I am confident will be with us sometime early in the new year. This past Friday, we had three police officers graduate from the Vermont Police Academy, including the Academy's class president was one of ours. Those three officers are now in field training and we are very happy to have them. We're hopeful to be able to bring a number of officers in starting in January on the books and send them to the police academy that begins in February. I anticipate five or possibly more. I do, however, anticipate some losses between now and then as well. However, my expectation is that on the 1st of January, 2023, this chart will say 63 officers, but by the end of January, it will be marginally higher. Next slide, please. So again, this is 62 as of the 1st of the month, as I said, 63 today, but of those 62, 54 are available. This breaks that down. I've had a number of questions about this. In the holiday season, as people go around, we often are at parties or encountering other folks and people ask me this question. You've got 62, but you often say that they're fewer than that, and here's how it breaks down. There is both a pie graph on this page and also a numerical breakdown of the 62. There are eight of those 62 who are not available, owing to being on leave or injury. The three are no longer at the Vermont Police Academy, but they are still in field training and are therefore considered unavailable because they don't count as a solo police officer. There are 13 supervisors. There are actually 15 supervisors, but two of them are among our injuries or otherwise unavailable. So 13 supervisors takes us to 41. 10 detectives takes us to 31. Six airport officers takes us to 25, and three special assignment officers takes us to 22, and that is what we have for patrol. 22 non-supervisory police officers. In the photo, you'll see a strong contingent of officers on the evening of the tree lighting ceremony on Church Street. That was driven by overtime, but we also see mixed among those officers. We see some CSOs. We see people who are in some of these positions that we're building that are different than just sworn officers. Patrol shifts, please, the next slide, please. Thank you. Here's a picture of our patrol shifts and how we're using those different kinds of positions and how they factor in. We've gone from two CSOs to, as you see in this graphic, there's seven, we're actually at nine now because we've made some additional hires. And this talks a little bit about that. We have these community service officers, a component of our public safety continuity plan. There are nine of them. We have community support liaisons. There are currently two, but we have four in the hiring pipeline and bringing those aboard fully sometime in the very early first quarter of calendar year 2023 will bring us to our full allotment of six. And that is a photo of community support supervisor, Lacey Smith, who is just integral to this program and has been pushing it forward. The two CSOs who are pictured, one of them, Akeem Brown, is one of the police officers who just graduated from the academy. So he transitioned from being a CSO to being a police officer. And the other person, Dominic Tenon, who's behind him, is going to be in the police academy class beginning in February. So we are using the CSO position as a proving ground for police officers and it's functioning well in that way. Thank you. This is the revised priority response plan. As we rebuild, we are not able to answer calls to the same extent as we once did and I'll have some data to back that up shortly. But this presents our priority response plan and it's a grounding for anybody who's moving through this for the first time. That's not this audience. So I'll push forward to tiers of response. This explains a little bit about the street outreach, the patrols, the detectives, the CSOs, et cetera. Next please. Thank you. This is a picture of our non-sworn response and the ways in which it's grown. And I believe this was, some of this was prepared for our November report but our November report was published online but not presented to the public. This is a picture of what we are sending to different calls for service and as you see, the non-sworn response has drastically increased over the past year. We really have built a lot of the alternative capacities that were envisioned during the tumult of summer 2020 when people were talking about making the department smaller but building up other resources. This is our incident volume as of December 15th. You'll see that this year is up 16% over the previous years. It's actually higher than any year since 2019. From January 1st to December 15th of this year there have been a total of 24,000 incidents of those 16% have been stacked according to the priority response plan. That means they're not getting an immediate response and in some cases are not getting a response at all. An additional 10% have been referred to online reporting. Again, you can look back at that slide with a picture of the priority response plan and see the calls that are automatic referrals to online reporting. This is challenging. When our neighbors have called us in the past the expectation has always been that someone will personally respond and the default of the organization all the way through 2020 was in fact that we sent an officer to every call. It was very rare that for some reason a call would not receive an in-person response and a timely one at that. That's not the case any longer. As you see here, there's about 25% of calls for service at our incidents that we are not immediately responding to or are otherwise pushing to online reporting. This is a picture of discretionary incident volume and a clarification on some things that have happened. Our incident volume this year surpassed last years and the years before, the year before. But year over year incident volume is down and this displays that all the way back to 2012. However, a lot of that incident volume is discretionary incidents. It is vehicle stops by officers which are largely driven by discretion. An officer observes an activity or driving behavior and intercedes. They're very rarely driven by calls from the public. Similarly, foot patrols are officer initiated. They are not driven by calls from the public. Although an officer on a foot patrol may answer calls from the public. But in that case, that foot patrol would be truncated and the officer would then move from being on foot patrol as an incident to being instead on a larceny response or a retail theft response. So foot patrols and vehicle stops are means of determining the level of calls that did not come from the public. And they're a pretty good proxy. There's some other kinds in there. But the bulk of non-public calls of discretionary calls are going to be from vehicle stops and foot patrols. The graph on the right removes those from the total picture. So the graph that is shown on the left is with all incidents and we can see that it rose into the middle part of the 20 teens and then it fell relatively precipitously. And then what we see if we remove those discretionary activities is a much flatter picture, not entirely, the incident volume is down inarguably. But if we look at that, we really see that this past year was actually pretty much in line with the years that precede the pandemic. Valcor incidents, thank you. This is the hard data for the Valcor incidents, the selected ones that we've been following over the past year. I believe that next year I may add to the larceny category and include retail theft. It has not been currently included. It's only been aggregated larcenies. But I didn't wanna skew this year's data by doing it just for December. But starting in January of next year, I believe I'll probably add retail theft to those aggregated larceny. Next please, thank you. This is just a visualization of the exact same table we just looked at. The five-year year-to-date average taking the data from 2017 through 2021, adding it up dividing by five and comparing it to the year-to-date average, excuse me, the year-to-date data from 2022. And we see the percentage increases or decreases that are shown there. And this last slide is a sad slide, an unfortunate slide. This is murder in the city of Burlington. In the time since our last meeting in October, we did experience a fifth murder in Burlington that is unprecedented. I have strongly reliable data in the VALCOR system going back to 2012. I have good data that I have gone through and vetted that goes back to 1960. And there has never been a year in which we have seen five murders in the city. I cannot vouch for years prior to 1960. I will admit that some of the data for the years leading from basically the 70s and 60s is, you know, I did as good a job as I could going through what we've got, but it's not computerized. But I'm pretty confident based on what I've seen that we've never come close to this. And that is shocking. Every single one of these has been resolved by our detective bureau. I cannot speak highly enough of the men and women led by Detective Lieutenant Commander Jim Trebe, who is a tremendous guide to those men and women. I can't speak highly enough of the work that's been done by detectives assigned to these cases. Each of these is a human life lost. Each of these has family members and loved ones who will mourn. Each of these represents a wound to our community as well. And the fact that that detective unit has found a resolution and justice in all of these, I don't know of many other agencies that have a record like that, cities that have that kind of record. And for shooting incidents, incidents in which a person was struck by gunfire, it's 86% in the same timeframe. That is remarkable, it's remarkable. I'm tremendously awed and humbled by the work that's done by the detective bureau. Not all of it is the detective bureau. The men and women on patrol do this work as well. And many of these, almost all of these are first responded to by patrol officers. And if those patrol officers do not arrive and follow procedures properly, establish scene security, protect evidence, corral witnesses and comfort the living victims, then the work that the detectives do is much more difficult. Patrol does an incredible job on these as well. We had a officer graduate from the police academy early this summer. He has left us, gone to a different department. Frankly, this overwhelmed, this would overwhelm anyone. This is what you would expect to see in a St. Louis or a Baltimore or Chicago to see this here, to be an officer who in four months of field training, experiences more than half a dozen shootings and is on scene for at least three of these murders that I know of, that is just absolutely, that's a huge volume. It's been pretty tremendous. I am really hopeful that we have turned a page. I'm really hopeful that 2022 will be looked at as a nadir with regard to violent crime and crime in general, and that we are on our way up. I think we are with regard to staffing. I'm hopeful that we are with regard to these crime categories, tracked and untracked as well. Chief, what has the department learned from these experiences of shootings and murders? Can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, thank you for that question. I think they've learned that the way they do things is cutting edge and tremendously effective. The level of investigatory work that they put in around a lot of times it's video review. It is working with partners in the system, including partners like the ATF and partners like the state's attorney's office and other local law enforcement agencies. The work they do with getting witnesses to be forthcoming has been, I think it's been a validation of the work that they've done. Those, the previous murders that are shown here, so the 10 that preceded the five that we experienced this year, we're all handled in similar ways, and we've shown that even when the volume increases, our methods are still sound. What we have lost is the ability to focus on other kinds of crime. We have not been able to focus on certain kinds of pattern crime that previously would have involved the detective bureau. We have not been able to focus on burglaries as much as we once did, and those are resource allocation decisions that are made on a daily basis. I have a follow up. Sure. So in the past you've shared that some of the issues happened within known groups, and they're sometimes personality related and those kinds of things. Not that this is the job of the police, but is there anything happening in the community now that's addressing those standing issues? Well, that's not true of these murders. Among these murders, certainly the very first murder of 2022 does fit a pattern such as that. It fits a pattern where known groups committed violence against one another. The next murder is a domestic violence murder that was a murder suicide, and a third victim was horribly, horribly injured in that. The following is almost certainly, we believe it to be strongly drug related. The one after that has nothing to do with those groups, but we are not yet certain of what drove the murderer to murder not only a person in our city, but a person in South Burlington as well on the same night. And the last does involve some members of the group, but the nature of the interpersonal conflict that drove that first murder was not a factor in that fifth murder. Certainly I think being out late at night, causing fights, being belligerent, and causing disorderly conduct disturbances contributes, and people who aren't out that late causing fights don't tend to get involved in these kinds of incidents, but the interpersonal conflict was not a factor there. In fact, our perpetrator was a good deal older than the other participants, and right now we do not believe he has any direct relationship to those participants. And in fact, we believe that the person who was killed in that incident was not actually a participant in the fight that was going on, although he was associated with the people who were fighting. Can I go back to some of the other data? So you indicated there are six officers that are not available because of airport duty. My understanding was that the agreement was for eight officers there. Has that been reduced to six officers being required to be at the airport? It is six officers and a supervisor. So one of those officers is a supervisor. He's counted in that 13 supervisory group. The other six are there. We have reduced our footprint there, owing to a, we do not have a full midnight shift any longer, and we are experimenting with the fact that a single point of entry reduces the total number, but not much lower than six. We indicated there were two CSLs. Does that include Lacey and Smith? No, Lacey is a supervisor. And how much is this, so are there CSLs to be hired for the funding from the city council? Yes, as I said, we have four in the hiring pipeline. We hope to have those on boarded by the first quarter of 2023. And that will bring us to our full complement of six allotted CSLs. Any other questions? Any questions on Zoom? Yes, I have a question. Can you please advise chief the status of a new data analyst? Has one been hired? No. Okay. And just a comment regarding larcenies and retail theft. I think I would like to suggest that they be tracked separately since we've already for the last several years been tracking particular types of larceny under that category. And then just a quick comment on discretionary stops. Discretionary stops, for me, I kind of see this as an open wound because we know we've had issues of racial disparities with some of these traffic stops and we've never really put something in place to properly address that on an ongoing basis. So there were reasons why those stops, why they were reduced and the discretion based on information provided by a BPOA representative back in 2019 was for lack of a better term, a lack of comfort and not feeling supported if there were to be a lawsuit around racial discrimination. So I do understand the need for foot patrols and other discretionary decisions but at the same time, we do have to figure out a path forward for success in addressing some of the reasons that those stops actually stopped occurring. Thank you, that's all I have. Anything more, Chief? No, thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you. Okay, so we now move to 5.0, Rolling Police Commission resolution, commending BPD in regards to gun related events. And I'll read that. The Burlington Police Commission applauds the intensive and unrelenting investigatory effect efforts of all members of the Burlington Police Department in solving and bringing to justice those allegedly responsible, this was written in October, no longer allegedly necessarily, responsible for many of the recent gun related events and resulting deaths. The department initiated, coordinated and deployed a creative and effective new multi-party collaboration that expanded its resources and responsiveness during a spare time for the department. These successful operations involved the coordinated expertise and resources of the newly formed Chittenden County Gun Violence Task Force. This team includes eight local departments, six federal partners and four state agencies. While the increase in gun related crime and result in deaths are mirrored by the rise in illegal gun use nationally, the diligent work of our police is an important step toward decreasing gun violence and restoring a sense of safety in the community. The police commission thanks all of the police for their efforts. I move to adopt that, the resolution. All in favor? I think you get a second. Did I do it wrong? I need a second. Oh, I need a second, sorry. I second. Okay, Jack seconds. Any discussion? Yeah, what? Pardon? All in favor? I think you wanna have some discussion? You wanna have discussion? What? Discussion. Oh, sorry, discussion. Anybody have any discussion for this? This is my first time doing this. I'm doing my best to show. Okay, I wanted to, I just wanted to underscore the commission's appreciation. I think that in the current climate in Burlington that this is, we wanted to give some public light to the work that's been done and wanna congratulate the department for the work that they've done. I second, third, and fourth that. Okay, thank you. So 5.02, can we have a vote on the motion please? Do you have a comment? I just, are we gonna vote on the motion? I'm sorry. Yes, we're gonna vote on the motion now. Thank you. All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Anyone abstaining? We go with the aye. Good now, Stephanie. Just to say that we will be communicating the resolution to the city council and the mayor's office. Okay. 5.02, review of Burlington Police Commission responsibility for implementation of CNA recommendations. Stephanie Ceglino. Several days ago, commissioner Keith and I met with Acting Chief Murad with regard to the CNA recommendations. The Public Safety Committee had issued its report and had asked the commission to indicate the recommendations that it would take responsibility for and the timeline. And of course, most of this is in coordination with the police department and hence our meeting with Acting Chief Murad. So the document that you all see on board docs and the commissioners have has, we've added two columns to that. One column is the recommendations for which the commission has the primary responsibility and for ensuring that those recommendations are implemented. And the second column is the one in which the police department has the primary responsibility and the commission reviews and approves any policy changes that the police department would bring forward. So the reason this is on the agenda is because for all of you to have input into this and to reach some agreement so that we can report back to the Public Safety Committee with regard to the work that we have to do. I will just briefly, very briefly summarize this long document. The Public Safety Committee has identified revisions to DD 40 and Commissioner Keefe, can you remind me or Chief Murad, can you remind me what DD 40 is? Quality control and internal investigations. But it's how the department investigates complaints and please elaborate for us. Yes, that's correct. The exact title is gonna escape me so I'm not gonna commit myself to it but it is quality control and internal investigations and citizen complaints and it details how the police department intakes complaints from the public and internally how those are then followed, distributed, investigated and then the nature of the outcome as it is affected by the Chief of Police. So the Public Safety Committee prioritized the revisions to DD 40 because many of the other recommendations depend upon DD 40. And so the police department will be prioritizing that and will be working with Commissioner Keefe as a point person on that. In the interim, what we will be doing as a commission is working to revise the DD 13 which is related to mental health policies and Commissioner Rao and I will be carrying on and continuing the work that Commissioner Hart had started a few months ago. So that's more or less. There are some other details in here but I will just leave that as sort of a very brief summary of what the responsibilities are for the near term, really for the next quarter. There is more work to do after that but when we sat down to meet with Acting Chief Murad we focused primarily on the first quarter of work to be done. And so we're hopeful that within three or four months that we can complete work on both of those. I'm happy to hear from other commissioners. If you have any comments on this, I'll just take notes and listen. Anyone like to chime in? The only thing I would add is as Commissioner Seguino mentioned, the DD 40 touches on a number of recommendations and it also dovetails with the complaints process that the commission is responsible to implement. So I think it's an opportunity for really good positive collaboration to work together with the commission and the police to have a very efficient and transparent process for reviewing and resolving citizen complaints. So we thank the Chief for that opportunity. Okay, anyone else on Zoom? All good? If I may make a motion then that the commission adopt this timeline and convey this to the Public Safety Committee. Is there a second? Second. Any more discussion? I just have one question. Stephanie, you mentioned the timeline. Do we have a very specific date that we had agreed upon or is that something we can just kind of keep it like even to a certain date of the meeting of the commission? Thanks, Commissioner Rao. We, I would say that we wanna be done by the end of the first quarter. So roughly end of March would be the goal. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, could we have a vote please on Stephanie's proposal? Seguino, we need to use last names. What? Commissioner Seguino. We need to use last names. Okay. All in favor say aye or raise your hand. Aye. Anybody opposed? No abstentions. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Seguino. Okay, 5.03, use of FORTCH reports. We have two months worth. So there's a fair number of videos unless there were very specific questions. It may be more efficient if we just follow the normal procedure and request specific videos directly from the department through email. Do we need a motion for that? We know we, I think you just need to ask anybody who wants if there are any videos that they would like and then you'll have to decide. Okay, so does anyone want to see a specific video? Any commissioner? Again, I have a question. I'm just kind of, this is my first time so I'm trying to figure this one out. I looked at the use of FORTCH report and is the question that if I need to see a video, this would be the time to request it. Am I getting this process right? Yes, that's correct. That's right. And if you do request the video, we would all look at it and have a conversation about it. But it's not now or never. You can make that request anytime you want, Commissioner. You can email me, you can email me anytime you want. Okay, okay. I just want to. Even before this meeting, if you'd like. And the good news is that we do have the redaction specialist hired. She's onboarded, she's in the department, she's learning how to use the equipment and I fully anticipate that starting January 1st we will be in compliance with the agreement we made with the commission and so far is proactively releasing certain kinds of uses of FORTCH. Video that is, a certain video. I apologize because we release every single use of FORTCH but we'll be proactively releasing video of certain uses of FORTCH. I apologize if I cut you off, Commissioner. No, I'm okay. I just wanted the clarification so that I understand the different steps but thank you, thank you, Chief Moran. Okay, thank you. I would like to request number four if I could, please. Would that be for the December report or the November report? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Later on we'll assign videos. Okay, 5.04, setting the agenda for the next meeting. There has been a discussion about potentially having a meeting, the next meeting in February on the 21st to give us a chance to get reorganized with new people coming in and people leaving. Jebu has resigned as of December 31st. His babies are doing well. So, someone can have my motion. Well, I think let's have a discussion about what people want to do. So, what do you think about that, commissioners? I'm completely fine with that. May I? I'm completely fine with that too but I suspect that we will still continue to work on the policy work document even though we are not meeting until February. In January, yeah. I'm sorry, we're saying we would not meet in January? That's a proposal, yes. I guess I would be concerned about that because we missed our November meeting. Okay, that's one voice. Anyone else have something they'd like to share on this issue? I'm gonna suggest that we delay making that decision for a few weeks and make it in early January. Sorry, things may arise that we're not aware of but if it doesn't look like there's any significant items for the agenda, one of the things that we routinely do, of course, is receive complaints and it's possible if there are complaints that need an executive session, we can call a special meeting but not necessarily a public meeting. So, I guess I would just propose that we wait until maybe January 7th to make a decision. Okay. Yeah, and I guess one of my other concerns is, as we were just discussing moving forward on the policies, I think it's important that what we're able to get through is discussed publicly. So, people, obviously anything that's related to executive session can only be discussed in the executive session but just being public about what we're trying to do and what we're trying to move ahead on because of other things that have come up during this year, we're actually behind on what we should have already reviewed. So, I just, because we missed that one month already, that's where my concerns coming from. Thank you so much. Thank you. Commissioner Grant, so I need a motion. I don't think this needs a motion to wait, I think we'll just do that. I don't think it needs a motion. Okay, so we'll wait until the 7th of January and then make a decision there when we know better where we are. Thanks, everyone. Okay, 6.00, commendations that have been received from the Burlington Police Department. Ohamut, please. So we got two commendations for September and October. I'll read ones came for October. The first one, two women affected by the vandalism is pre in August. We did have an officer on our street around 20, 30 minutes later, Officer Henry. He was informative, sympathetic and all one would hope for. The second one, commendations to Sergeant Ross and Dispatch and Sergeant Delgado and his team for their response to call from my house at 3.15. They're saying I didn't go back to sleep but I wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the fact that they dealt with this like professionals for over five hours in other boards of the neighborhood with abysmally few options. Thank you. Thank you very much. Agenda item number seven, commissioner updates and comments. Any commissioner have a comment? Commissioner Grant, you had indicated there were some things that you wanted to raise. We set this time aside and we identified this as the time for that if you're still interested in speaking about them. Yes, thank you. So just a quick comment about outreach. I had been doing a lot of outreach with attending NPAs the last few months and also getting a lot of feedback related to that. I would like to see the commission try to attend more NPAs. I live in Ward three. I was going to other NPAs that were outside of my personal ward but I know that some of those NPAs would like to be able to see commissioners who actually live in their ward if that's all possible with scheduling. I know sometimes with scheduling it's not but pretty much all the NPAs are hybrid. So someone can't be in person. Someone can be available on Zoom. I did see Stephanie's front porch forum post. I think that's great. I think it's really important during this time where there were certain attacks made against the police commission that we're not actually discussing public safety that we need to be out there and definitely remind people to watch the meetings and to make them aware about what in fact is being discussed and how it relates to public safety. The other issue I had was just a reminder about the need for cultural competency. And we have talked a number of times about the issue of racial disparities. We have talked also about how members of our community who are non-white sometimes there's a pattern of behavior that can be racially insensitive. And I was in a meeting last week and cultural competency kind of came up and I was talking about the concern about how we continue to be a city that is rapidly changing. We are really diversifying. And I was talking about the percentage of 30, 35% of BIPOC children in the school system. And I was advised at that time that those numbers, those numbers, those percentages were really no longer accurate. And I was like, oh, are they gone down? And I was told they had gone up. And so I was sent a link from the Burlington School District from some of the reporting that they've done. This was a snapshot from October 21. And I just want to read off the percentages for you. This is showing, they refer to these students as members of the global majority. That is seen to be as a more positive, inclusive and welcoming term. So this would be the percentage of students in global majority pre-K, 54%, sustainability academy, 58%, Edmunds Elementary, 52%, Integrated Arts Academy, 63%, Smith Elementary, 40%, Champlain Elementary, 39%, Flynn Elementary, 48%, Hunt Middle School, 35%, Edmunds Middle School, 37%, Burlington High School, 38%. So in 10 years, our city is going to look very different and working on going on cultural competency issues and issues of racial disparities and how we treat people from different backgrounds is going to be more important than ever. So just wanted to bring that to you. To everyone's attention. And that would be it for my comments tonight. Thank you. Thank you very much, Commissioner Grant. Any other commissioner like to speak? So we're moving now into the time for an anticipated executive session. And prior to that, I'll ask if anyone has some agenda items for the next meeting. Any commissioner? Okay, seeing none. I'm sorry, just policy updates. Thank you. So now we're moving into- So my, I'm sorry, just one other question. Commissioner Grant's point about policy update. Does that mean that when we meet on, in the February, in the month of February, we will have to have an update for DD 13, which is what I'll be working with Commissioner Sagrino. Is that correct? It's probably good for us to have updates at every one of our meetings, just to kind of keep us on task and to inform people where we are in the process. Okay, thank you. Executive session. We're moving to enter executive session pursuant to one VSA 313A4 to discuss a disciplinary action against an employee. Okay, we have a second with the vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Or raise your hand. Aye. Anybody abstain? Anybody disagree? Motion carries. Now we have a motion to adjourn. Just, just for information. So the commission will meet immediately after this in the Sharon Busher room. And we will invite the chiefs in after we've had about 20 minutes to coalesce. And the people on Zoom should expect a Zoom link. Am I correct? Yeah, the Zoom link was sent to you already. Okay, thank you. Okay, can I have a motion to adjourn please? So moved. Second, please. Second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone against? Anyone abstain? Thank you all very much.