 Big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely official, Miss Jamaica. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's going on? Nothing, nothing. Say, man, you know, I talk a lot. A lot, that's why I got a microphone. You know what I'm talking about? A lot, nigga. When I say a lot, I mean a lot, man. And you know, since I started this platform, you know who my number one, you know who. She gets sick of it. She hated it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, she don't like it. You hear it show after show after show after show. Every show, yeah, they gon' hear it. They gon' feel us too. They can smell our cologne and all that over here. You know what I'm talkin' about? Say, man, check it, man. My boy, he's Leo, is in the house. And you know what time it is, man. Stop playin', you know what time it is. Y'all know, y'all know me. All the people that been watchin' me know me, man. So, man, what's up? How you feelin'? Yeah, yo, it's the high line up in this time, man. Man, everything good, man. Everything is really good. Man, hey man, when I hit you up the other day, I did something, I tagged you in it. God tagged you in it. Amen. God tagged you in it. That was God. Yeah. God tagged you in it. I'm talkin' about the dudes, man. I tagged him in it. It was somethin' I posted. It was about, it had to be about the pimp. It was somethin' I posted. I don't recall, but yeah, yeah. I posted somethin' I tagged you in it and you hit me back and said, for real. It was somethin', I don't even know what it was, but I know I did. I posted it and then I was like, man, and you hit back and I said, why the hell ain't they call this man? Why ain't he hit him up on Instagram or somethin'? Cause I had met him years ago. I keep tellin' him that I met him in this parking lot. He sold me a CD. That was not me, man. Who was it then? That was the hustler in me. I said, man, this dude sold me, and it was right after Pimp C had passed, man. So it was like, man, you know, cause I'm a fan, you know? So I'm like, man, you know, cause I always tell niggas, man, you know who the best is. Don't play, I had KLC on it the other day. I check, hey, look, man, check it, man. You know what I'm sayin'? And that's my guy, man. Pimp did somethin' different for me, you know what I'm sayin'? And, I mean, yeah, yeah, it was a whole different wave back then. I'm from the old school. Yeah, I told you that on the phone this morning. See, I'm not from the new school. I'm from the old school. He picked that phone up at Commie. He said, first thing he said, I'm from the old school. I knew it when you called me, you know what I mean? Nobody talk on phone with no mom. They text for everything. I remember when texting first came out, I was like, man, he for weird, man. For real? You remember when it came out? Don't try to play some of the young folks remember when it came out? I remember when Yahoo email first came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, you goin' there. I mean, no, I don't. I'm young. Hotmail was the thing back then. Let's get it, let's get it, man. So tell me, growing up in Port Arthur, man, what was it like down there? You know, all I know is I remember when that text was signed, come across on that video. You know what I'm talking about? I knew, for me growing up in Port Arthur and this humble beginnings, it was just like any suburb till you walked outside in a nigga, bust you in your shit, because you was not in the burbs. You was in the hood, baby. So it was like a little wake up, you know what I mean? But it was beautiful. I wouldn't change nothing about it, you know what I'm saying? I'm not from the projects. I'm from the hood, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a nice house and everything, but the rats was in that thing, too. Yeah. And the roaches was in that thing, too. Yeah, likewise. And our step pops was the little league coaches. Okay. So, you know, you got the one parent, the single parent household, mama's strong, and then you raised by what's popping off in the streets and whoever will give you some game, you know what I'm saying? So, how did you end up linking up with Pimp C? I knew them from way back in the day, as we all were young artists coming up doing our thing. We knew mutual people, you know what I mean? And I was in the sector on 11th Street and like the 2700 block 11th Street in PA. And we had a whole coalition of artists in there doing our thing. But my producer, him and Pimp was cool. Okay. So, one afternoon, we had all the artists that was making our input author at his house that day, and we were just kind of networking, but a lot of us were shy, you know what I mean? We was kind of standing off to each other, mumbling raps and this and that, this and that. What phase was this in the UGK phase, was it? This is before UGK exists. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Now I'm there with you. Yeah, this is a young Pimp C who carries a bag around. What a... So he had to be about 15, 16. Man, we was young. I was still drinking jungle juice in four ounces. We was young. So you, really, you are amazing, man. So you was from the first beginning before the job deal and all that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pulled off to small. Yeah, yeah. Like, so basically they was all in there and I knew of Pimp. I don't think he was calling himself Pimp C at the time, I think he was MCC. And he was there and he was standing off to the people he knew that he was close to. And we was just playing tracks and everybody was kind of mumble rapping. But this being my home front, me and my partner hard time, shout out to hard time, we just start busting. Like we grew out of mic and just start rapping. You know what I mean? And I think Pimp got irritated by it. So he like, now man, that ain't how you do it. And I almost got offended. Like, nigga, you in my hood, what you talking about, nigga? I been rapping and bring the answer, what you talking about? But he walked over there and he tied his track machine into my homeboy mixer board or whatever. And he pushed a button and a beat came on. Well, the track came on, the music started playing. And then when the beat dropped, he was like, MCC. Ba-ba-ba-ba-bop, bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop. And he probably did like a 12-bar verse. But what he did sounded so different from what we did. So he actually taught me and my partner that day, y'all niggas wasn't rapping on beat. Okay. And I'm like, what do you mean, wasn't rapping on beat? I know how to rap. But he taught me sequence. He taught me where it actually goes when it falls. So this is early in the game, when we just battle rapping and just rapping. We don't know structure. We don't know song structure. We just rapping, you know what I mean? And that day, he taught me that, come in on beat, rap on beat, eight bars, four-bar hooks, 12 bars, this and that, this and that. So after that, I always seen him and Bun around. I used to smoke Jays with Bun and talk shit, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm good now, see? See, I met Bun, and when I met Bun, Bun was so cool with me and my family. My kids, my daughter, she left already. Okay, but yeah, when we met him, he was just real family or any guy. He flipped it on me. I was trying to get pictures for my kids with him. And he told me, he said, after we had talked, he was like, this was in Vegas, we was in Vegas. He up there somewhere. And he was like, I said, man, thank you for taking the pictures with my kids. I had met him before, you know? Right. And he was like, he said, man, I said, nah, man, I said, you're a real one, bro. I said, man, I said, well, I tell him, I said, you're real or something like that. He said, nah, are you real? You're the only brother here with your whole family with you. He's seen that versus what I was seeing, you know, I'm sure my kids how to do this so they don't understand this. It's real. And he caught that, you know, take a real one to catch something like that. Man, Bun is a real Polt Arthur nigga. You know what I mean? Like you see the industry him and he moved, how he moved, but he come up during that time with me, when he was in those places in the dog, when the beef was popping off, he was showing up for these things. He was in the streets moving around, you know what I'm saying? So he is dead. It's just, as you mature, it's a grown ass man. Now he ain't trying to be off and tall at negativity this and that. Yeah, yeah, I see, and you're talking, lately I see y'all been going back and forth. I've seen that too. Who then? You and that 17, I don't know the guy, I didn't keep up with him. I beg your pardon? No. I didn't keep up with him like that. So you been checking out that YouTube, hey, boy, we got that YouTube on fire. Y'all the ones on YouTube doing that. Y'all, I said, you counsel coach this cat. Yeah, well, I had kept my mouth shut for a long time because I didn't want people really knowing family business. Yeah, yeah. But it got so redundant that my man was using the platform to go out there and do all the talking and nobody was rebuttling what he was talking about. And he had told me something a couple weeks prior. He said that he wanted to apologize to Bun. Wow. It's big. Yeah, but, you know, I never put, I shouldn't even put this out there, but I'm gonna go ahead and see it. He said he wanted to apologize to Bun and I'm like, nah, hold up on it. And he like, why? See, I knew he would go apologize. And then maybe two weeks later, he have another episode and it'd be some, Bun B campaign after the apology. Is he bipolar? Bipolar is when you switch up, right? He takes some pills. Okay. Look, I'm putting that man out there like that. No, no, I'm just saying. I've seen a nigger with the man. I said, I don't know what it said. It could have been for chlamydia. Oh, yeah. I just know, you know, when you change your attitude about something is, and you flip on it and you flip from a whole three, six to the something else. Right, right, right. And it's about, you know, you got issues. Yeah, well, I had to get on his ass. That's a little brother of mine and he out there talking that shit. And he put my name in some shit. And he didn't intentionally do it. It's just he was, he was doing his spiel but he didn't choose his words wisely. And he said my name associated with some very untrill shit. So I clarified it. And at that time also people were associating me and him of doing certain things together. So I wanted to draw the line so they could see start judging me on my own merit. I've been working hard as hell for a nigger to associate me with some bullshit. You know what I mean? So I just drew the line. Ever since I seen you've been stand up in my eyes, you know, like the time I met you, I always looked at you like you had so much love for what y'all built. I did. That's what, and you still do. But I'm just saying that's what I seen in you and that's what stands out for me. So when I seen you on there, it was like, he really don't want to be dealing with this like this. I really didn't. I actually did. The shit was fine. Oh God. Haven't you ever got to the point where you were like, but you hold it so long, 15 years and you see a nigger doing her bitchy with bull shit and you don't say nothing about it. When a nigger throw your name in the crowds, boy now you just want to say nigger, fuck you. Boy I been wanting to say that. I tried to let the nigger make it. You know what I'm saying? I tried to make it feel like, hey, maybe he didn't even want to do you like this, you know, but I get it. You know, because big brother, little brother things happen to where you have to check different situations. Exactly. And if it come around and everything, you know, because you saying it's bipolar situation, so you got to kind of understand how to deal with people like that too. Yeah, yeah. And it got to a point where I'm not saying that Bunn believed that I was standing on his side with the We Hate Bunn B campaign, but because I wasn't coming to the internet or showing up anywhere disassociating myself, it maybe did look like I was part of it. But I thought maybe Bunn can see through it because if you look over at what I'm doing, nigga, I'm over there doing the work of 10 men. And how the fuck I got time to be being messy. But now, that work of 10 men, it kind of allowed me some time, you dig? I'm doing a whole bunch of everything. I'm back in the studio. I'm doing the trio gear. I'm doing toro. I'm researching Airbnb. Hey, man, the nigga doing something, everything around the world. Already, there's been a lot of different things that like you went on this one show virtually. I think it was them boys out there. I don't know where they from, but they had a little old, they got a show and you called in, you was driving, I think when you called in. Yeah, yeah. Somebody was coming to look at my other 18 wheeler. And when we scheduled to do the show, I didn't want a counselor because I wanted to fulfill what I said I was gonna do. And so I just stayed, I was off. I've been off since like noon, but I just went on and stayed in the truck and conducted the interview. It was a good interview. Like I said, you hold it down for PA for show. Got to. And that's what we need, man. People that really Texas is, like I said, Tim was something different, man. He's still for Texas. That's what I can tell you. He didn't stand for, he read PA, don't get me wrong, but he meant something to the whole situation for the South, man. And so that's what we don't have anymore. You're right. Not with a voice like that. Not like that. When he spoke everybody tuned in. He made them listen. He made them respect us, man. He didn't care if you didn't like our music. He'll flip it on you. Now it's country rap tuned. Yeah, yeah. We ain't even doing that no more. What y'all call it? We changed. Yeah, jamming like a mug, man. And so you was with him when the, so what happened? I remember we talked about, this time I distinctly remember us talking about the Trio shirts. Cause I was wanting to put Trio shirts in here back then. I remember that. And it was like, you was so in tune with the fact that if it ain't going to the right resources. That's what you were saying. Cause it was some Trio stuff rolling around. But you educated me on that. I never did break, never did mess with it because of that. I'm being real. I never touched it because of what you said. No, it's good. Like it, it's a bunch of inner workings going on. Like we were doing a PMC forever T shirts and some of those proceeds was going to his mother. Mother, yeah. You know what I mean? So we was pushing that campaign real, real hard. That was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. And we was pushing that campaign real hard. And I stand for knowing, okay, boom. This is my, this is my partner mama and children. So if I can push these and break them off, you know what I'm saying? Some of the revenue, that feel good in my soul. You know what I mean? Now, if I'm just pushing it and they ain't getting none of it. Yeah. It's vain. I'm, I'm being like every other culture. Exactly. Yeah. So it was the UGK shirts from Al Gears. Correct. Al Gears, Dan Al Gears. I knew him. It was the trio gear. Okay. That's always been me. Okay. But I always tried to stay silent on that because I didn't want nobody just thinking, oh, he the one behind it? Cause sometimes, sometimes niggas don't want to support you just cause it's you. What's Dan, Dan was doing right by the shirts? Fuck Dan. He wasn't doing right by the shirts. Fuck Dan Al Gears, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you because that Dan, hey, a nigga that got there you two black, hey boy, who else? Who else, who else, who else wants to smoke? Fuck you, fuck you. Who's next? So Dan was, so Dan, I just had Mrs. Lucie and Pookie on here and I asked him about those shirts too. Back in the days, I bought a lot of those shirts and sold those shirts because you guys, that's why I bought them. We all did, we all did. And I held, they was in this store for years. What, in my other stores, I had several stores and I had them in East Texas. I had them everywhere and I was pushing them. I was spending money with this dude behind y'all. Just the problem though. The artists got too busy. They got too busy with the show money. Back in the day, when you have concerts, we're talking about bands pulling up and they're dependent on this merchandise table. They're dependent on these ticket sales and just anything they can get a percentage of. Well, these rap niggas got too arrogant. They just want to come in through the bag. They don't want to touch nobody. They want to do their rapping and they want to get the fuck up out of there. Well, you left money on the table because they wanted some T-shirts. They wanted some of your new product but you're too amphibious. You don't want to shake hands with nobody. You don't want to embrace nobody. You don't want to take pictures with nobody. You didn't turn into something else. That fame monster got it. Yeah, so when I come in the game, I had this little half ass distribution deal and a nigga pressed me up and was going to distribute me. That's how everybody would have caught on to me like they caught everybody else. But the nigga went bankrupt right after he pressed up my shit. So the nigga hand me all my CDs. So what am I to do? All my money, all my dreams is in them boxes. So I took them up fucking boxes and started Gorilla Market. And I'm in the streets and say, what's up? I'm right there in Houston, blah, blah, blah, blah. So now I'm just this Gorilla Market. That's how I'm surviving. I'm Gorilla Market and everything I create. Prior, I gave away everything but a business cannot give away their product or they'll go out of business. So basically I gave away thousands and thousands of T-shirts, hats, CDs, flyers, Dapper Beach Parties, gas money, travel, hotels, this and that, any nigga hood. You know what I mean? Me and my trusted four, five. I need the same things, I know. I need the same things. In God, in God. So it came a time where I started getting booked a little bit and I always demand, hey, if you're gonna book me, I want my little old show money and I want that merchandise table. So when Pimp came home, he seen how I was moving. He started testing me like, what if I can give you the whole UGK old catalog? What can you do with that? My words to my brother was, nigga, that's just like you handin' me some crack. It's gonna sell itself. And did it go? You know what I mean? It went. So basically when Algiers came through, he took advantage of the lazy rappers who didn't wanna create their own beautiful T-shirts and collect 100% of the profits and then hire their partners. You let a nigga take the money away from the coalition and give you a percentage. Therefore, this nigga over here struggling still gotta go steal, hustle, rob and go to the penitentiary because you didn't take 100% of the proceeds and you take a percentage and give some of your other people jobs. That's real. This fuckin' music is a tool and a taxi for us to get up out the combinations and situations that we've been placed on. The niggas that's in the penitentiary for 20, 30 years for selling $10 worth of crack. Wow. You gonna make $15,000 doing the show, rapping 15, 20 minutes and this nigga here gotta go rob and steal? Wow. Get that nigga a security shirt. No, that's real. That's real. And I think, you know, you just called Dan out, you're a culture vulture pretty much. Easy. I'm just telling you, I meant to go- But let me tell you why though. Y'all think I'm trippin', but judge this. I'm out there selling T-shirts to my nigga. I could've dropped all that CD T-shirt shit and went and hit the block in PA and got me a uh uh. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It came up. But I say I'ma use this opportunity cause God gave me some chances that I could've got blamed, you know, could've got the accessory to murder. I never talked about none of that. And it's all concrete facts. So when I had these products and people were buying them and they were like a real income, I said man, I'ma stick to this. I'm not gonna risk my life. I got these young kids. I'ma do it the umber way, rock for rock, like Master P, like Tech Nine, like all these other cats that went out there and the Slim Thugs, the two shorts that popped the trunk, the Pimp and Kins. All these people. So I said, I'ma do it. The point blanks, the Mike Moes, all them boys out of Houston popping trunk, selling CD, boom, boom. So I said I was gonna do that. So bun seen how hard I was going. So I say, bun, look, I could use some momentum. I wanna spend X amount of dollars, but I wanna get some of the UGK shirts that the nigger actually used to send to us for free. But now since Pimp gone, the phone ain't, yeah, the phone ain't being announced. The nigger giving me a wholesale price that's damn near retail. You know what I mean? So I say, bun, I need to get a boat load of these shits because everybody is buying this shit from me. I'm selling greedy genius shoes. Shout out to my partner that was doing the greedy genius. Man, your name, your race in my mind right now, but you know who you are. Greedy genius. Yeah, them greedy genius. Them exotic ass shoes. Nobody had them. I used to sell them all like muffa. So I wanna get a boat load of these shirts. What's your record? Don't stop right there. How much did you sell in a week? My record 35,000 in three days. Man, what you had? I'm a hustler. You had that white. Yeah. No, this was close. But I had built it up going to different stores. I was wholesaling too. And I was hitting the streets hard. This was right before Christmas. And it probably in, oh, oh wait. Mine varied because we were able to do the merchandise on the tables at the car shows. Okay, no, I never did. No, no. We were able to do the concepts. I was able to buy ours. I was at first when I first started. Like people used to call me and I remember I went by myself and. Yeah, me too. This chick, she was, she seen I was occupied and she was like, yeah, I like that. She went and folded up shirts. I had a dude to do me like that. I seen her, right? I don't have a guy. I'm still entertaining everybody. Yeah, that's 10, that's 15. Hey, bitch, take that apart. I had a dude that stole some, you remember them clear Nikes? Oh yeah, them little clear forces. You sweet, sweet little bitch through there. Nigga, I sold them man for 35 dollars a pair. Wow. I ain't telling you niggas, I don't want you niggas mad. Nigga, I was getting them hold for a twink. I was getting them for Lord of Death. Boom. I bought a whole, our garage was full up, wasn't it? You must got them hold from China. Oh, I got them from my partner's dog. And listen man, hey man, I sold them shoes so much but it was one dude who stole a pair of my shoes. During the bell. And they were 35 dollars. So I turned around and looked at it and I said, you ain't paying for them shoes nigga. I need my money for them shoes. Yeah. Nigga, he was, man, I paid you. I said nigga, I got all these 20s niggas. Ain't no five in here nowhere. So I know you ain't gave me no money. Right. And it was about, like you said, about 10, 15 people around. Nigga didn't give me money either. So I was telling the mess, dealing with my people. What if I tell you about a week, maybe about, no, about a month later, I was sitting there selling my shoes, but mind my business. Then nigga jump on the motorcycle, right in front of me, man, bust his head wide open, right in front of me. God, it's good. I can ride in martial, man. Let me, let me get, let me clear this up and I'ma get off of Dan back. So no, I got to say it. Cause you gotta say, why you got so much ambition and passion about Dan out here? No, no, I get it. So, bun, I need to get this here. I'ma, I'ma spend X, Y and Z, boat load of shit. Bun like, yeah man, it's good. Tell him I said you can get it. I ain't thinking nothing of it. I'm eight, eight, eight. Damn man, yeah. Let me get a, let me get, you know what I'm saying? Such and such dozen. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Why would I do that? He's a Leo. I'm like, nah, nah, nah. Bun said it's good, you know what I'm saying? You can call him and verify it. Man, I'm not gonna take food off a Bun's table. I say, dude, you tripping. Bun rich nigga. I'm out here, you know what I'm saying? Trying to get to it. Yeah, a part of his big ass motherfucking brand. But I'm in the hood, you know what I mean? Amongst the killers in the thugs, the rest of the roses. He pretty much didn't acknowledge you in the fact that y'all was built up together. That's what he does. So here's the killer. Well, let's get Bun on the phone. I'm thinking maybe he just need to hear from Bun. Bun get on the phone, you know how he talk. Yeah, it's the big Bun beat up, say man, let a, let Heezy get whatever he want, man. I said it was good. Bun, I don't wanna take food off for your table. So you lying. He telling Bun why Bun on the phone with me that he don't wanna take food off a Bun's table to sell me some shit for a better wholesale price. Like I'm not asking for the shit free. Yeah. I just, I say, Hey man, you know what? Fuck it, stick them in your ass. Wow. And I never wore them hoes again. And if you notice, every time you see me, I got on that motherfucking Trill gear, Trill gang. I've been doing that shit for y'all. No, no, no, that's good, man. Let me ask you this, man. So let's get back on the whole movement. Anybody else I need to say fuck? Cause I'm 50. No, no, no, no, we gonna let them make it. Fuck them two haters that been on my YouTube. No, no, no, you basically, you saying enough on YouTube. Right now, you wide open on YouTube. I'm doing all the talking. You said your camera up, I said, there you go. Cause at first I was just quiet. I was thinking that niggas was gonna tell my narrative. Yeah. When you do so much Trill shit and real shit, you be like, oh, they gonna talk about my narrative. And you go do some more real shit. But then you just pass and you hear crickets. Crickets over there whispering. And niggas easily on with Trill niggas. Now bitch, you gotta put a microphone and a megaphone on that ho. They need to tell the world. I'm trying to sell it to Trill. Hey, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I get it. So Bun, I heard Bun when somebody broke in his house and then his old lady was in there. Oh yeah, that was a real situation. Did you and him ever talk about that or come into any contact about it? You say, hey man, I hate that happen or? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely that and appreciate you, my nigga. But I understand the position. But you knew that could go down like that too, being in there. All the time, all the time. Man, we from, you know, we from, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We from the hood for real? Yeah, yeah, they watch it. Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't like try to bother Bun with a bunch of small talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I've actually- So you gotta be some real. Yeah, I've actually lived how they lived for a couple of years straight and I've seen how much of the world is coming at them. Plus they personal people, their friends, their family, all the people on the internet. Man, that's a lot. And you've done this for 20, 30 years. Can you imagine just being in demand for 20, 30 years with hundreds of thousands of people? Hey, give me this. That shit can run you crazy. I had to decompress after things slowed down. I had to actually kind of hide from society, be by myself and get my fucking mind right because not saying common people, but when you live in this boss talk shit, this big dream shit, you can't go communicate with chickens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because a lot of times it's gonna be way more chickens than it is eagles. That's it. So you might have some compassion for them chickens one day and be like, yeah, I'm up there soaring, picking up foxes and eating two foxes a day. Chickas like. Oh, be a bitch, I ain't a worm in a ring. Oh, be a bitch, I ain't a lie. I ain't a lie. So do you, let me ask. So do you think that, how do you like the music that's going on right now? I'm stumped. Who you listening to? I ain't listen to nobody. Oh, that's it. I'm stumped. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna be honest. You burped some of these niggas. I'm gonna be honest. D young niggas then twisted the game and got it on live. Oh, got it. I got you, I got you. Like, I'm gonna tell you what I like. I like money bag, yo. Okay. And I likes a little baby. Not the baby or a baby or them babies. I like little baby. The nigga flow is some so round bunches. He got me stumped. Like I researched niggas from, you know, the 80s and everybody at the 90s, 2000 boom boom boom up into the day. And I could follow they flow pattern and I can mimic it. But I cannot mimic that nigga flow pattern. I don't understand it. Can I go to school and learn this shit? Hey man, they got a thing going, don't they? Niggas jamming. So what do you, so the process of the music, cause you still doing music, how is it dealing with streaming versus you've seen it both ways? As it elevated, what are you, how did that affect you? Did it, you know how nigga get hit with a blow? Did you have to stop, step back and say, hey, okay, it's doing it this way. You ain't see me under that bridge on 635. You know I'm telling the truth, cause it shook some niggas, man. I talked to, I talked to Lodee's and he was like, yeah man, I couldn't, I couldn't, you know, with yellow, you get yellow beads of managy. Like I understand now, you know, but when I was doing it, I couldn't, I couldn't transfer over into it. Like he was in the streets like me. He was, he was in the streets pushing music this and that, this and that. I sensed it coming. Because as you out there taking the temperature of the streets, you got people saying, well, well I ain't got no money, but on my card. Yeah. Cash out wasn't even in yet. No it wasn't. Well I, I got a brand new car. I only got a USB. Like so things started changing. Yeah, I'm taking the notes and I'm like, okay, these CDs and then you got people on air to my CDs gonna be extinct. Shut the fuck up. Them all don't need to be extinct. I need to be out here. So when it started shifting, I told mama where she was still alive. I said, mama, if we don't lock, cause we had a little situation where spice one was gonna come get down with us and we was gonna broke a couple of little deals for, you know, a few others, but that didn't go through. So when that didn't go through, I was like, mama, I'm gonna have to find something to go along with this. If we don't lock nothing down, RIP to Mama West. So I started researching trucking. So 2015, I seen that, you know, the CD sales had really, really slowed down. The streams was half a pennies and pennies. And you know what I mean? That it really wasn't nothing to be thinking about. So I shifted. People still were stunned, though, like they were really getting it. Well, the ones who have that great following on the internet, they can turn that into some bread. They can turn that into income. But an underground nigga who's, you know, getting a few hundred this and that, this and that, that whole guerrilla market and street campaign is where it kept boys afloat. So I just basically had to reinvent myself as the game changed. Okay. And that's what's up with you still here. A lot of your homeboys ain't here no more, period. Some of them didn't go, you know, some of them ain't in, some ain't even in the music. No more, they couldn't deal with it. Depressed. I talked to a nigga the other day from GS5, one of the members, he was, he still stuck. Like he wanna be celebrity status. He can't get past what young jock did to him. He can't get past being pushed in the back and he couldn't get to be seen, you know, like that. It really messed with some of these people, man. You gotta be a survivor and a hustler. It gotta be in you. You'll keep recreating yourself. They closed this though, you gonna figure out how to get your foot in that one. I knew one thing though, once it all locked up, once all the whip locked up, it's gonna land right. Cause right now I own almost a hundred percent of everything I got. Every song, this and that, this and that. Now the songs that I feature on with Pimp on Pimp projects, that was almost one of them things like, go ahead and donate this to the state. You know what I mean? So those songs, no, I don't make no money. But it gave me some promotions, you know what I mean? Those projects probably been so, I'll say at a minimum 200,000 copies, a piece or something like that. But it's probably way more. I just stopped looking for it, you know what I mean? But I know it was good promotion. People who didn't know about me, they was able to hear the voice, see the name. So I didn't trip on that. But everything else, every download, every stream, it's all in place now. So the more traffic I'm starting to get now, I'm about to be one of the young niggas to give me some tight jeans. Oh yeah, you better get it in, man. And talk about this stream and shit. Fuck some streaming now. So give me a crazy incidence with you and Pimp. See, cause you been everywhere with him. You seen some crazy stuff happen with the Pimp. I'ma give you a, I'ma give you a, okay, I'ma give you a shot. I want, you know, cause Mike Jones came on here, he told me a story about when they did the, cause I was on that smoke and I pulled it up. I was like, nigga, what happened that day? Nigga, you look like you were having a good time. And he told us about the car, he wrecked the car and wrecked the Bentley and some most stuff that I never would have knew. That's a perfect one to give you. I was gonna give you a choice or two. They beautiful. But since you said that, I'ma give you the backstory of the Mike Jones situation. Okay. Okay. Mike Jones come out to the hood and he chilling. We own short Texas. Okay. If anybody know anything about pulled off the short Texas is like that stage like the boys had in New York when everybody was out there getting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like getting Manhattan and you out there with the boys in Manhattan. Pocket full of stone, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Whole lease and prostitution and pimping and hustling and everything under the sun. We doze, but we don't close. But okay, this has been turned into a whole different area. Now a bunch of businesses didn't close and we out there shooting the video, which was very epic. So Mike Jones pulled up, you know what I'm saying? He get out and you know, Mike Jones kind of, you know, kind of nervous and shit. Of course. You talking to everybody. Hey man, you want to hear my new mic? You don't fuck with me, but I'll come listen. What's up? So he let me hear some new music and shit. We walking around doing our thing. Pimp get out there, boom, boom, boom. So Pimp tell me throughout the video I've been trying to give you these certain cameos, but I didn't give them to you, which I appear in the video a couple of little times. You know what I'm saying? But not just that flush shot where you can see, oh, that's easy. So he said, we didn't plan this. We was dressed alike. We both had on them a room dickie suit. Okay. You know. I remember that. And he had the model Vixen, the video Vixen asked the Baxter there to appear in the video. So from Houston, which is a whole another story, she was in the trailer and she came out and nigga was like, who told the bitch to come out the trailer? And she come out our whole makeup up and dolled up looking good. I'm like, man, hold up. He said, but I didn't tell the bitch to come out the trailer. Get back in the trailer. So she didn't get her cameo or play her part that day. So here we is in P-80s. And then she in the trailer again, getting paid to get dolled up. Hey, she bust the easy lick that day. All, hey, all weekend long. She busts up licks, you know what I'm saying? Doing nothing but looking pretty. So she's sitting in the trailer doing her thing. We out down short Texas, the sun is out, the police out. They got a dead dog over there, but that was in Houston. The old yellow was dead right by the barbecue pit, but niggas was still eating the food. But now we back and pulled off it. So Mike Jones, he talking to little kids and shit. He's shivering and shaking. Little kids ain't gonna bite you, nigga. Calm down. Police out here. He's legit. But he had a van. Now don't get me wrong, I'm just talking shit cause I'm lighthearted. He had a van of niggas over there that was ready to, you know what I'm saying? Mike Jones, they were ready to 281 niggas. They were ready to 331 niggas. They were at 331 niggas in the 49, but then they were probably gonna receive some gunfire. So here it is. We right there, we on the scene doing our thing, boom, boom, boom. So Pimp them wrap up, they do that thing. They Pimp like, damn, my nigga, I ain't give you your cameo. I'm like, man, it's good, whatever, whatever. He said, well, look, me and Mike Jones got to go. We got to catch a plane to go do something with Brooke Valentine or whatever. He said, I'ma leave you the candy red drop. So the candy red L dog. Yeah, yeah, that's the one Chameleon gave it. Chameleon gave me the drop. She was already a star, you know what I'm saying? So the car's sitting right there. I got on the dickie suit, Pimp like, yeah. See, niggas gonna think it's me in there, but it's gonna be you. And because the mother chick didn't get her cameo, you guy don't get in the car with you. I said, you gonna do that for me, man. You didn't touch my heart. Come on now, get this bitch in this car so we can get this shit popping. So Pimp, them pull out. Him and Mike Jones, them pull out. And brother-in-law, Riley B, at my nigga, he out there like, why Pimp gave you the car? I'm like, fuck all that, nigga. He get out the way. Get the hell out, get it going. So now I'm supposed to be getting the cameo and acting, but now I'm damn near telling the director what to do. Get them cameras, turn them on right there, nigga. I'm gonna get in this whip and I'm gonna pull out banging with this up. So I get in the whip, they finna call the chick and I'm just sitting like, oh, here's my chance. Yeah, yeah, I'm finna get the whole world about to see me smoking, pouring the kevin lean up in my cup. And all of a sudden, nigga, I heard the police say, brrr, cluck, cluck, cluck. Six, four, one, nine. Shots fired, MC's direction. I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm like, dog, fuck all that. Man, fuck them cameras. Come on, Riley B. Riley B hops in the candy red drop with me. We smashed through the crowd through the barricade and I know exactly where it then took place because I'm a PA, nigga. I could walk around PA with my eyes closed, touching shit, telling me, oh, that's the call. I'm saying we're in a country, yeah. So we smashed the guff way next to the 7-11 and we see the damn gray Bentley smashed up with the tithe falling off that hole. We see seven foot of the big body guard here on the damn stretcher. And I'm like, man, we'll pimp it. I see Mike Jones, he didn't took off all his jeery. He might as well, he might as well. Shit going on. You want to be looking at a deputy, Tom? Take that shit off, nigga, for one of these hungry-ass niggas turning to a wolf and jack your shit and run back to the project. Yeah, that's the biggest nigga I ever had. Fuck that nigga, we're gonna take the diamonds. You know what I mean? So he came back and his wife, she looking like a regular nigga, Mike Jones. So when we get over there, I'm talking to Amalans. I'm like, what pimp? And pimp over there talking to Amalans, he good. I'm like, man, nigga, you good? You good? He like, yeah, man, I'm good. Man, this and that, this and that, and then fucked up, boom, boom, boom, this and that, this and that. He said, I'm glad you bought the candorade. So me and him, after everything kind of calmed down, we hopped in the candorade drop and we drove to the hospital. Now we, before we drove to the hospital, it was a nigga. I remember the nigga face, the nigga standing on the side, talking about, ah, pimp, since you didn't wreck that Bentley nigga, give me the rims off that hose. I say, shut up, bitch ass nigga. Don't you see this man already going through some shit and you want to play? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I started raising out the drop top out the car. He want that some more? Now pimp say, look, my nigga calmed down. He say, nigga, we finna go through all kind of shit like that. He say, you gon' have to remain calm through type of shit like that. Yeah. But I'm from PA, like, I'm used to, you disrespect me, okay, boo? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he told you when his timing wasn't right. Yeah, cause I was in a whole different arena now. Now I'm, now I'm this rapper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm still this street nigga. Yes, sir, yes, sir. With a hundred bouts up under my belt and bitch ass nigga, you ain't gonna disrespect me and you ain't about to disrespect the motherfucking pimp. That's it, that's it. We shot to the hospital, you know what I'm saying? And pimp dad pulled up to the hospital and I seen him like, son, you all right? Cause I'd never seen him really interact. Yeah. And it touched my soul. That's what's up. You know what I'm saying? Then pimp walks into the hospital and I'm in the candy red drop outside and I'm like, man, I'm glad my nigga all right. Then fans start pulling up and shit and I went to selling CDs. God forgive me. No. Lord, forgive me. Pimp forgive me. I had to pop that trunk. This is what it is, man. Hey, the circles was on, nigga, the candy red drop sitting up pretty red for the video shoot. Niggas didn't follow this nigga. I made them niggas form a line like they was at a burger joint. Yes, sir. Might as well, man. So you, when you first heard, tell me something good and all them songs, did you know that it was going to take off like it did? I had an idea because I've always been blessed as a young child ever since a little child. My ears was in tune to quality music. And back then only kind of quality shit was coming out from major people. Like you were doing your thing, but you was in the closet rapping through a can and it sounded like it. So Pimp was so meticulous about his sound. Here's this tell me something good with this beautiful sampled arrangement, the verses. It was nothing like it at that time. And Elville. So when we locally heard it, we was, man, we was excited. Yeah, I remember Jay Prince say he jumped in the car when he heard that and just drove out part Arthur. You know what I mean? Some of their demo tapes, like unreleased stuff. And I'd be in my room, like checking it out. Like, okay, that's, that's, that's what's up. It wasn't as clear as, you know, the latest stuff they started putting out. But like DMD and all those cats, they would come to the hood first and test their music. So we used to be able to get demo tapes from them this and that, this and that. So tell me something good. Definitely was one of those like, yeah, this shit gonna do something. Man, that was my song. And that's what, that's what took me off. That was one of the first ones that I really just gravitated to. And I was like, that's my, that's my bangle right there. Oh, really? Yeah. And his voice was different, man. So it was different. And he say embraced it after a while, but at first he didn't, you know. That's what made him stand out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the beats part, you have, I know you, because KLC talked about him processing the beats. How was that learning curve for him when he was doing that? Since you was from the beginning, you've seen it. Cause he came off like, you know, he was doing the beats too. That's what I always tell my wife. Yeah, he was, he was a dope producer. I never was really in the studio when he was making certain beats. Okay. Cause when he got out of prison, he was making up for lost time. So he was dealing with different producers and different engineers. I was talking about that first, when he first started doing it. Oh yeah, they were at Mama Westhouse and he would have all his equipment. Back then I wasn't the type of friend that can show up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew them, but it wasn't like I just show up and knock on the door. I remember one time I went over there, it was rumored that them niggas used to smoke big mounds weed. Yeah. And I'm just a PA nigga trying to get my smoke on. I'm in the niggas hood fucking with a nap head at. Yeah. I'll run over there and knock on the door, uninvited and shit, and pimp like, man, who is that? Them niggas look at it and shit. One nigga, I think DJ Birdabum was like, oh man, that's the nigga herb. This nigga like, y'all know that nigga? Yeah, we know him. Man, get that dick ass away from here. We don't know what type of city he on. I'm out there must've been walking around with a tank top on, probably drunk, you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to smoke. I'm trying to roll a chip on some smokin', so bun came out, he smokin' something. I'm like, y'all doin' my nigga, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm done lookin' all off and that bun like, oh shit, wanna hit the wheel. I'm like, yeah, I hit the wheel. Yeah, nigga, come in. Nah, man, we doin' something. But shit, I didn't. We doin' it, we don't want shit here. On some retarded shit. So basically, so the- Dumb way. Wasn't you close to the pimp or were you close to the bun when that relationship was goin' on? Cause you got, you know, you have the bun, you closer too. Well, the reality of it is this. I wind up doin' more music business with pimp when he came home, cause I was managed by his mama years prior. Okay. But bun, if you look at our earlier videos, we got a song called, do the show, stop up, drop your body on the floor. It was my homeboy song. It's a girl song. Girls loved it. We had a good time. The whole city came out and we talked to bun. We was doin' a TV show on Houston. We're like, bun, man, we doin' it, man. You need to come on now and fool with us, you know what I'm sayin'? And just on the strength, bun showed up and stayed all throughout the video, shoot the pool scenes. And if you go look at the video, you see bun and they're embracing us like, you know? And he told us that day, if y'all stay out there more doin' y'all thing, it's easier for me to connect with y'all and help y'all. So me and bun always had a relationship, you know what I mean? I didn't have much of a relationship with pimp because he was kinda like a studio lab rat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bun was kinda in the streets. I remember bein' in the club one night, bein' out smokin' it. It wasn't after our club, you ain't, you know, you puttin' it in for bein' in there, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. More tinder's lab, yo. So bun them sittin' in the corner and shit and they kinda ducked off and they lookin' evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know him, so I go back there. Like, what's up, nigga? I hit the chocolate top. I'm like, damn, we all got that from him, you know what I'm sayin'? It was good. So bun like, nah, nigga's flexed up, me and this nigga, this and that, this and that. And I'm like, damn, bun you, you're doin' your music. I really didn't want him gettin' in no shit. But I ain't know all the logistics of it. So I smoked it dope and I watched the strippers and I got my ass outta there. But I would see bunnin' different areas like that. But I wind up when pimp got out, he was gonna start the UGK record thing. I didn't even know. Like, I was just, you know, his mama was managein' me. When he got out, he embraced me. I was at his house the day he got out. So he embraced me. You had been ridin' him when he was locked up? No. Nobody wrote him? Who wrote him? Some damn body wrote him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on the terror unit. I know where he was at. Yeah, some people was writein' him, but it's like, I wasn't tryin' to build no instant fake ass relationship. But you knew him before that, though. Yeah, but we wasn't. But not like that. Yeah, we wasn't cool, like, you know what I mean? We was cordial, you know what I mean? When I seen him, I saluted him. But I never was tryin' to like, get all in his company like that. So when his mama had sent for me to manage me, I never pursued them. Like, his brother-in-law came, caught me on the corner of Gulfway and Memorial, sellin' my CDs. Like, when I told you the dude couldn't give me the distribution deal? Yeah. So I'm on the corner and the high son sellin' my CDs and he come and introduce me to Pimp Mama, boom, boom, boom. So Pimp get out and he start formulating the UGK record thing. Okay. And so I told him I was doin' a mixtape doin' a time and this mixtape was gonna be hosted by DJ Smalls. Niggas think DJ Small eyes is like somebody new. Now, DJ Smalls used to be mixtapes back in the day. Yeah, I never heard his name. And he was gonna put out my mixtape, but that's a whole another trio story. Y'all gotta come to YouTube to get that. Aw, man. Hey, YouTube, we got that YouTube ride over there. And it's growing. He's a Leo. H-E-Z-E-L-E-O, that's all you gotta do. Everything. He's a Leo. Every social site. He's a Leo. So Pimp start the UGK record thing. He see how hard I went for his mama. And the day he get out, he got, I got a show with Camillionaire. I was on a mini tour with Camillionaire and this is one of the last days. So he like, man, when you see Cam, tell him I want that candy red drop. So I put Cam and Pimp on the phone with that. And so when he started the whole UGK record thing, you know, after that, he seen how hard I was going. He seen that I was a hell of a rapper, but I ain't had no good beats, but I was spread it so thin. So I was on his team, you know what I mean? I was on his team with the merchandise. I was on his team with the artistry. I was on his team with the whole just personal life, the barbecues, dissonnet, dissonnet. But it was always a mutual love for Bun. I'm not one of them niggas because I'm over here fucking with Pimp, fuck Bun. Now I'm a fight hard for Bun and I'm a fight hard for Pimp. It's a peculiar situation to be in, but it's some pulled off that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I get it. So now I was over there working with Pimp, but it was always love for the both of them. I was down with the UGK, the underground kings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Pimp, you see, you know. I always liked the way Pimp and them rolled because I looked at, even when they did that with Jay, you know, I'm from, I told you tell me something good. So I've been rolling with them before all of that happened. So when I looked and I seen how Pimp was on that, you know, I remember he come out and said, Bun kept saying, he didn't really wanna do that song with Jay-Z, but then I seen how he, then Tushard told the story about how they wasn't even with them. They went down to the beach and just did they seen on the beach? Yeah. And which was crazy, you know what I mean? So, but everybody kind of at that time kind of felt like Jay-Z discovered UGK because up on East Coast, I'm telling you, that's what they was thinking because of how wide of a range of people that he connected with. So I think Pimp was kind of, it seemed as if he was standoffish from that whole situation at times. He didn't want to water down what he worked so hard to build. And he thought like that commercial type record would just make them look like these other people reaching for opportunities. Well, you did underground kings. Yeah. He was serious about that. And a lot of times like, I was able to break new fans by the big pink, big pimping record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Like I would talk about the records that we know. And they be like, I ain't never heard of that. Three in a morning. Yeah. And I'd be like, you didn't hear the big pimping, right? Oh yeah, big pimping. Well, he was selling CD. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So it was a selling strategy, right? Marketing point. Yeah. So it worked out. I've always, I've always been one of them dudes like if Pimp wanted to say something about Bunn, I'd be looking at him like, for real? Uh-huh. Whatever. I get it. Cause he's a brother. I can't even hear it. Yeah, right. I got brothers, right? And you never pick a side with brothers because my brother may be mad at me, but you go over there and start shoe showing with him about me. So I'm like, yeah, man, fuck that nigga. Now he looking at you like, okay nigga. You know what I mean? Yeah. Now he about to turn on you. Exactly, I know that. But see, it takes niggas with common sense and who have brothers to understand that. You don't go stand against other brothers with brothers. You can't do that. They business, them boys been down with each other. Before I had anything to do with them. Hey, look, that's they business. That's exactly how I would have done it. Exactly how I would have done it as well. So let me ask you this, man, top three artists of all times. Top three artists of all time. Dead or Alive. Any genre. So just three. Picasso. No, let me quit. Oh, this is gonna be a little bit of a comedy. I like, let me see. Dead or Alive. Man, it's so many, man. I gotta go with Pym C. That's my nickname. See, that's why he on the show. I gotta go with Pym C. Yeah, that is a Pym C show. You niggas gonna get it. Let me see. Let me see. Damn, I don't want to be no old nigga revealing my age. Tupac. Ah, you going with Tupac. Hell yeah. Oh, you. Everybody, everybody got some old knock-off tattoo. Tupac. Yeah, for show, let me say this. Too sure I said the reason that Pym didn't want to do that song was because of Tupac. Yeah. He said, I don't know if he know the nigga or what, but the nigga just loved what Tupac stood for. Yeah. That was a part of him not wanting to do the song is what he said. It came back to me when you said that. Exactly. I seen that lately too. Yeah, I seen too sure I said that. He said, man, I don't know if he even knew Tupac, but he say, hell, he just was like, I, you know, he ain't doing it. Yeah. So, okay, so the greatest. Number three. I'm gonna funk y'all head up. Oh, man, let's see what he gonna come up with. Lil Wayne. Oh, for real, Lil Wayne? Man, you ever seen Lil Wayne live? I've seen Lil Wayne in person. I've never seen him perform, but I've seen him like been in the room with. Who seen Lil Wayne live? No one. Crickets. I've seen Lil Wayne live. Now look, nigga, Lil Wayne is the jam's brown of rap. That little motherfucker leave it all on the stage, man. That boy be drenched in sweat. That boy jump off the microphone and go jump on the drums and start playing the drums. That boy go grab a guitar and start playing the guitar. The boy go grab a motherfucking trombone and start playing. Nah, nah, I'm lying. Get the hell out of there. But I seen that nigga, man. I seen that nigga perform for about two hours, man. And when that kid got off that stage, they wrapped that cape around him like James Brown, man. He was sweating profusely and it looked like he was exhausted. Wow. I ain't never seen no other artist. Man, most rap nigga, excuse me, man. Graddy, you know what I'm saying? Rap, walk back and forth with the music playing in the background and shit, nigga. Think of it this way. Boy, I'm making easy money. Performance wise, music, consistency, mixtape after mixtape, lyrical content, man. Lil Wayne, a bad mother of shut your mouth. Oh, you're a bad boy. Man. So let me ask you this. Back in the day, I gotta get this in. A guy coming from Port Arthur, you know what I'm saying? If you could go back and speak to that guy that was out there knocking on Pimp N.M. Doe, I don't know how old you was at the time. What would you tell your son? Get your ass off the people, put them in shit. Fuck wrong with you. What would you, if you could have an in-depth conversation to give him something to take him to the future where he was about to go? I would've put him in the car and went and bought him a four-downs and told him, man, you don't do that, man. Yeah, it's a way to do things. Yeah. And I was just such a Port Arthur dude. That's just how we rocked. Yeah. I used to do some known jackers, but at this time I got a little baby and a baby mama. And we know each other, you know? But these niggas just show up to my house one day. I went on and opened up Doe, you know? Me and that four-five. Yeah. And I invited them in for a drink of water because they were walking. And I heard they spew. But then I told them with a straight face, say my nigga, don't ever come to my house no more. When you see me, see me in the street. Yeah. And they were like, huh? No, no, I'm just saying for real, see me in the street. And I walked them out. Certain niggas, you just don't let come to your house. That's exactly right. Fuck wrong with you. No, that's the truth. You let the devil, don't let the devil in. Boy, you've been preaching, but it might be around a lot of preachers, lady. Man, all my uncles and grandfathers, I grew up in the Baptist church with the pariahs, soda waltz, and fried chicken and then tea cakes. So how you, how you planning to spend this YouTube off? I know you're trying to get it going. I see y'all now, you're working. You done monetized. Hey! Hey! Hey! You done monetized. Man, I was shooting for them 4,000 hours working that whole coming up, coming up, driving, making content, just working. And that bitch hit the little 4,000. I'm like, oh my God, I did it. Then all of a sudden, that thing started jumping and jumping and jumping. Man, I got to getting on that thing, talking about some of everybody. Dr. Humor Johnson and Kevin Sammons. Oh, that's the ones you got to get at. If you can get that thing today, it's gonna run it up. I seen what fraud may weather did. Yeah. I think that's what your boy, that's what your boy trying to do too. Who that? That 17 guy. He's just trying to do the same thing. Well, he did what he did. He jumped out there with a whole hate campaign, but now he got what they call it, when you didn't lost the memory, you got amnesia. Amnesia. Now he on there, acting like Gizmo too much. Yeah, man, cause we got the chill out in it. I think. The guy will want to just, neither you would just talk about fuck everybody on it. Bipolar. You saying? Yeah. I'm gonna get off that campaign because he wants world brother. Y'all did a lot of good work together, it seems. And we got some unreleased stuff. Really? Yeah, but it's just, man, I want niggas to judge me for me. Yeah, yeah. Don't judge me because of my partner. Now if I'm really down with that nigga, I don't care what he do. Yeah, judge me. But you didn't really, y'all didn't come up together. No. No. Even from Mississippi. We just started doing music together. Because of pimp? Yeah, through pimp. And we built the brotherhood, all that traveling, this and that, being at each other house, eating this and that. He got to see me in brown form. We live South by Southwest. And I got the flu. I didn't came home, nigga didn't call my mama a bitch. Wow. Yeah, and nigga live across the street. Oh man. And my mama ain't wanna tell me, but my sister like, man, niggas out there about five, six, seven of them. Nigga, I drove over there and stomped the brakes when I stopped. But the motor fell out, nigga. I hopped out that bitch like, where I would? Which one are you, bitch? Next one this year. They ain't want no smoke. But I made one phone call just for if, you know. And all of them niggas pulled up at 17 scene. When he seen me, I was a different humble person. That humbleness was out the window. Yes sir. It was guerrilla suit time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He don't know that part. Have a time. He don't wanna see that part no more, we been. We all got it in us. Already, when it come to mama. We is mad. Mama gone now, but when she was here, yeah, you couldn't do that. Now a nigga tried to pull one on me and my mama. I took her home and jumped back in that lag and head back down and yeah, he go down like that. You look for the code of how to trigger a black man. And you be punching out kinda cold. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Niggas still be looking at you all calm. Niggas, you punched that right cold M-O-M? It's a problem. Boy, that's your ass, Mr. Postman. He can't go later by Mr. Mom, is he? Turn up. Mama make a nigga go back down there, man. Niggas, I'll die with my mama. My mama wind up past, man. You got anything for her, sir? Okay, she quiet today. She know we over here having all the fun, so she ain't usually gonna say something. Cause she say this nigga doing all the talking. Nah, nah, nah. We enjoyed, man, the fact, because I love the history lesson, too, man. So what about the new music? So what you got out there now that I can look for and pull up? Did you hear any of the joints that sent you? No, I did not. You sent them too late. Don't try to blame it on me. I had four interviews a day and you got me, but I'm glad I got them in my vault now. I did. Well, the new music that I'm putting out right now is gonna show the knowledge that I've always had, but didn't have the time to express in the studio. Because when you trying to survive off of rap money for real with that gorilla market in tactic and this and that and waiting on the shows and waiting on the features. Man, you do a lot of work, you know, a lot of legwork. Like you said, you met me in this area in the parking lot. Yeah, in the parking lot. I'm from 500 miles away. Down there at the smoke shop. Yeah. So sometimes- I had this story here, but I was just walking down there and I seen you and that's how we conversed. So sometimes in the past my music suffered because I was trying to get some product to the streets. I had some good engineers and producers late on, but we wound up going our separate ways. So nowadays with the knowledge I have of the rhythmic type sounds and the social commentary and just knowing how to jam is what you can expect from me now. Like I got the formula, you know what I mean? So that's what you can expect from me now. I'm dropping singles left and right and they are phenomenal. I love the music I'm putting out right now and I'm not by myself because now the new found YouTube people, some of the people who was looking for me who just stumbled back upon me and some of the new people, they are like, man, this is crazy. This is jamming. And they buying it left and right. Man, I am so thankful. You bastards took long enough, but- Hey, listen, man. Also, man, you print me up some of them Trio shirts I can get them from you. So I can have, I gotta have some. Yeah. And we gotta go with long T style too and big guy style because that's where Al Gears did when he had the six X's and the big and we can do some on that together but we gotta have something. Cause it was a guy just left here wanting a big shirt, tall T trying to get- I can do all that, but help me with this because this is what I was trying to do back in the day. I didn't do too many retail but only on my manufactured products. So when I was able to offer a manufactured product that was manufactured from top to bottom with the stitch, the tags, this and that, this and that I knew that that could be a retail product. The shirts that I do now are branded products. So they're not tagged Trio gear but they're printed Trio gear, they're branded. Why can't we get them tagged Trio gear? Cause we can. Well, I need manufacturers. We can figure that out. Oh, if you can help me figure that out. We can figure that out. It's very unfortunate because for years I knew people who knew the plugs but they wouldn't give them to me. You didn't come back over after you sold me the CD. No, I didn't know you had it. I didn't know you had it. No, no, no, I can figure it out. I ain't been in this this long for nothing. You know, we've been in this for now 16 years. We finna do this. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Cause I wanna always be able to give something. I would tell the boys I sell the shirts for now. We gotta have that tag in it cause we wanted to finish it. It's ours, you know. And that's why I kept it out of stores. And I made it come straight from the website. No, no, we gon' figure it out. It's been time cause when I did the manufacturer hat the shit flew, it spread the wings and flew. You know what I mean? But that manufacturer is after COVID and started playing games, nigga send me a batch of hats and look like some army of hats. Hey, nigga send me some hats and I'll crook to the side. Damn tags on them whole buckles and shit. Niggas look like Fake Al Jordan. Jordan look pregnant on the shoot now. Say man, whenever you get something new music out or anybody, a new artist, cause you may be helping that one young guy or something that man, and he worth it. Man, send him my way so we can get him on the show. Especially like I said, Trillipo, you know Trillipo? I don't know him personally, but we He from Port All, he just was here. We engaged online. We showed each other respect. Yeah, yeah, he's a real respectful dude, man. Like when he came here, they drove down him and beat banks from Houston. He mentioned he was from Port Arthur so you know I went P.M.C. crazy. Well look, I got a young son that's retarded. What about P.M.C. sons? I'm finna tell you, hold on. I got a young son, young Heezy, and young P.M. Corey. Them niggas be collabing all the time. It just, they been a little distracted by life. Yeah, of course. But I'm a mentor in their life. Of course. And they do great music. We got some of their videos on my YouTube, you know what I mean? And I encourage them to keep on going and doing music. But being young men without having his uncles like the UGK Posse in the financial positions to be able to be in the studio and coach them and just show them, hey man, the dudes and the don'ts, we've suffered with that. Of course. Because you know how it is when young men got idle time and they're amongst their peers. You got the blind leading the blind. For the show, for the show. I'm hurt behind that. But they're young men, so. But at least you are in their life and they will reach out to you if necessary, you know? If they're necessary, they're going to reach out to you. When I tell you like I can't even express the disappointment I feel on the inside for not being able to show them more. Yeah, man, because they are who they are. This P.M.C. son, the whole world got love, you know what I'm saying? But we can't figure out how to channel that love to this child so he can do his craft and benefit from all the rewards and everything. Exactly. He got to be out there like regular niggas with no options and now he's in regular situations, you know what I'm saying? Read between the lines, you know what I'm saying? Oh, it's crazy, man. All right, dude, man, I think that's it, man. What you mean? No, we appreciate you for coming on the show. I'm trying to do all the talking now. We had a good time, but I just, like I said, I got everything I was looking for. To be honest with you, man, thank you for coming on the show. And like I said, link me up with them boys, with your son and your nephew or your god son or whatever you want to call it. Most definitely. And we'll rock out. Hey, man, I appreciate you. Oh, yeah, man, anytime, man, and the platform is here, man, how we looking around this thing? Man, this is a beautiful situation. We've been here a long time, yeah. Hey, but I'm a whole year today, you're going to help me find a manufacturing. I told you, I ain't playing no game, man. All a man got at the end of the day is his word. Amen. Everything else goes away, but you ain't got no money and nothing, you got what? The word. That's all you got. The word is what y'all go about to live too. Your uncles will tell you that in that church. Say, man, thank you for coming on Boss Talk 101, man. Hey, man, it was a pleasure. Man, thank you, man. And I guess we out, huh? It's a unique hustle.