 Good day. Good day everyone. I believe I'll just give another minute or two for everyone to check in and Put their name in the attendance sheet, which I've just pasted in the group chat and we'll get things underway Matthew, we're gonna have some guests today from Gregor on once we've Established subscribes would they go first would it be like a presentation or like a SIG or working group check-in? Uh, it can be a bit more of a deep dive Presentation Okay Do we want to do that before the? The general check-ins or afterwards? No, no They can go Normal course of business. Okay. Okay. So everyone is filling in the attendance We'll double check this throughout the meeting to see what check-ins we've got here But in that case, I'll just start with Call for scribes would anyone care to take meeting minutes and execute the rule of a scribe today Ideally if we can get to so much the better and I think we do have to it's um, yeah, Emily Excellent, thank you. Okay, then we'll just proceed with the Check-ins as per usual So let's see. I myself had one issue that I believe brandon Uh Upped it in with and then I do not see any updates from the attendees that we have just under a dozen so far on here So I'll just jump into number 350 then if that's so good Essentially, it's just adding a scribe rule documentation to the main page and just formally Establishing what that rule is and making sure it's part of our primary documentation I guess where people just visit SIG security on github So I'm just going to go ahead put together a draft of that Get a poll request going by the weekend And we'll take it from there. I don't believe there's Any debate or any concerns on it, but if anyone has any suggestions Feel free to send them my way now or we'll definitely see them on the the poll request Good no updates from those on hand as does anyone have an update that they haven't already noted in the attendance or in the notes I I have a quick update Just on the uh, I don't know if you guys have noticed but You probably have been spammed by the stale bot On marking we recently introduced the stale bot, which basically if we've configured it to For issues that have not have had any activity for the past 60 days. We mark that as inactive This is trying to just help Triaging and figuring out priorities. I think the issue list has been Getting longer and longer. So Don't be alarmed. And if you have any feedback on that or so Let me know What's the default policy on the bot brandon? Is it More along the lines of an ag bot where if something doesn't get attention every x days It brings attention to it or does it eventually auto close like say Stale slash rotten life cycle things like a lot of trackers on github So I said it not to close any issues um, it's just gonna For anything that's inactive for 60 days is going to add a label and then it's going to be up to manual triage to Kind of see whether this is an issue that should be closed or whether it should um We should revive it Or whether it's already been, you know, there's already been a pr and then we can close it necking to the pr Okay so it's it's It's not really dead in terms of like automating the entire process, but it's there to facilitate The triage of issues and progress Thank you Brandon. Are there any additional updates? um Not not at the moment. I'm working on the triage project so that we can Make triaging kind of a more structured Um process and then get more people and kind of petition to work there Um, but that's still working progress Uh, I do want to mention one thing real quick. This is jesson capos. Um So for groups that want security assessments and for things in that process, I know with all everything crazy that's been going on Uh, a lot of things have sort of not fallen on a normal timeline So if you're a group, um That is part of an assessment and you're excited to go ahead and you're kind of like, hey, you know You guys are taking a while Then let us know and we'll try to see what we can do But of course, you know, we may have a problem because some of the people performing the assessment also are You know now full-time caregivers for children or other things like this so um But you know, I I think in the absence of people speaking up The sort of assumption has been that uh, you're consumed with other things So please let us know if and you know, or really when that's no longer true and We'll uh, we'll start moving again Thank you, justin If there's no additional check-ins or points anyone wants to bring up Dan, who was who weren't the individuals that had a presentation for today? Yeah, let me let me see that real quick. Um, so mark on the board on please mark was unable to make the call today okay um So mark on the woods, uh, you know, it's been our liaison, uh to Um, miss the national institute of standards and technology Um, don't know who missed is kind of same on you. Uh, also congrats to networking and government Um, but uh, you know, it's been wonderful to get mark's perspective on um, you know, what's what's happening in uh, the more institutional uh space and Um, you know, have that perspective, uh, you know here in The cloud native ecosystem Yeah, mark was gracious to uh, and invite wouchang and grigger Von uh, lezuzki Um, you know who are um members of the Proposed miss big data analytics initiative and cloud mess. Um, and um I believe they have A bit of a presentation that you know, we could share and I'm, you know, really happy to sort of, uh, continue Uh, expanding and developing the Um, relationship and partnership that we Establish, uh, you know with them. Um, so wo Do you want to kick things off? Sure Well, thanks then and thank you for helping us. Um Some wouchang on the chair for the the miss big data working public working group Let me just give maybe a 30 seconds intro and then grigger is our the Editor and also the the the the uh, the expert On the uh, we will be called the big data reference architecture interface And uh, as a dance and we have a cloud mesh as a reference software to demonstrate Or to get the specification going and so on but Just just an overview. Uh, so what the miss big data public working group Uh, we established the uh, about six years ago And right now we have maybe has seven some hundred members of the reflector and So basically what we try to do is to try to Look at from the uh, non-stick environment perspective How can we create a reference architecture that's a non-stick from technology infrastructure and vendor So that the data scientists can concentrate on the on the uh, big data Analytics sign Regardless of the underlying the infrastructure or technology Behind them so right now as a dance and we finish our The architecture and now we in the new uh, milestone We try to extend the reference architecture interface to enabling the Analytics as a services, but related to this group Uh on the day one when we started the big data working group security purposes are very important and and through the gray girl As the effort, uh, we try to uh, uh, through interfaces How can we enabling? the underlying computing resources at the same time, uh, we we also with a mark and uh, you know, not a co-chair Not from a fiducio Then I look into the secure privacy and I think through the rest of the api that graga put together and maybe with your group help, uh, that we can maybe Kind of like maybe more focus on how can we handle the uh, your secure privacy through the, uh, um, you know, uh, Restful api or the open api and so on so with that maybe I could turn the time to gray girl and um Gray girl, do you have presentation? To make or just some of the reporting so However, I don't want to send it. Yeah, I don't have a presentation at this time I can just summarize where we currently are Um, please do we we we have started thinking about how can we, uh, generalize? Interfaces for big data Reference architecture needs And one of the things that came up was this when we had uh, when we wanted to communicate this We found out that rest interfaces Seem to be these days one way of communicating interfaces between different groups Although we are not requiring that you are doing a rest interface um We we have used rest interfaces to communicate the general needs This includes, um, for example the compute interfaces that the war has pointed out What would it take to um to start for example a process or a function or service And we have rest interfaces for that Due to this I have implemented um an um Architecture verification system that's called cloud mesh That uses these rest interfaces to verify that our thoughts on this um are correct And as part of this we have not really done much security But we realize that rest services have some built-in security such as basic ours and Or ours and those kind of things But I myself have not um started to think about what would it actually take To generalize this to make this available not only on the service level But also on for example the data level where we need to be um Thinking about okay, this particular piece of data needs to be secured or authenticated against a particular group um The pathways of sending the data from one to another need to be secured and in those things Mark is Typically the the the point person for for this unfortunately. He is not here He would be probably be able to describe more on that on that issue So this is the the very short summary of what what I have done And it's rest r e s t Thank you Gregor Gregor and lo chang is there anything additional you want to add to that or does that conclude the presentation? Well, I I think the the synergy between your group and maybe our group Even though our group we We have one the volume dedicated to a security privacy And I think your group has a lot more hands-on and industry focus um, I think will be very nice to to kind of like explore to see how how our The interface specification can get into the more wider broader security privacy aspect And and also through the vessel api And I thought I think maybe this is the kind of a common interest between your group and our group And how can we leverage? You know each other's aspect And to maybe make some forward progress A question maybe then then you and mark talk a lot more right? Maybe you You can share your side of the synergy says mark. I think he's on Said to conflict. Maybe you could kind of play some right why we why meeting today? Right right, um, you know In um In how we're structured You know lays on an outreach to um, you know various Affinity groups and partner groups Is largely, you know the responsibility of you know individuals who are connected and Uh participating and mark's been you know that that individual um, you know one thing that I would love to sort of uh, you know dive a little bit deeper on is um, you know we are um a federation of You know open-source collaborators and you know, that's the model that we are accustomed to you show up you know carry would your top would carry water and And Participate um, you know, what's the model if uh, you know folks here aren't familiar with You know how the groups like Um Like Inside of this operate and one of the expectations in terms of uh, you know participation and activity if someone wanted to Uh extend their their participation to Um, we need to get it uh public working with if there's no additional discussion on that I'm just going to check if there's any additional updates or if anyone's posted one If not, I believe we can just see if there's any PRs that require a discussion or a chair approval I see 200 here 291 and 268 that have outstanding change requests I'll just go open those now So 291 adding compliance perspective It's own category makes sense Is there anything we need to discuss on this one or do we require specific approval from specific individuals for it to go through? so, um Justin and I have been working on redoing the landscape. Um, so I'm not sure whether uh This pr is something that We are looking at right now Um I mean, so I I'm guessing It's this uh Robert. What are you looking at this again? Robert here, um So I think we'd be willing to take the all the prs related to um Oh wait, I'm looking at the wrong pr. Sorry Sorry, Brandon. Were you asking me a question? I'm kind of juggling. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was I was I was looking at the other pr. I clicked on the wrong one um On the adding compliance perspective. So I think that so Justin Capos and I have been working on creating a new landscape um, so I think that what you have here is It's good. And I think we want to Consider when we are creating the new landscape um So are you looking to? Merge this pr or would you be fine if we just have it on hold and then integrate all the the Suggested changes into the new landscape that we're developing I I mean, I'm okay if it's on hold if others want to chime in And we want to give it a little bit more time Okay, uh, I I think the so so I'm not sure whether um, we've shared this yet But we've been working on the new format of the landscape Um, so it wouldn't be categories anymore. Um but so Justin if do you know if there's any progress on that from um feedback from cnc website Um, that's been a little messy and slow. Um It's uh in in the kind of recent things that have happened it also got kind of Like I didn't follow up and pressure them as much as I probably should have is Amy on this call doesn't look like it to me but Maybe she's calling user one. I don't know. Um So, yeah, I I think we um Yeah, that's that's something that that uh that we need to do is to follow up with them and and move that along Um, and maybe we can plan I think having A date at which we're supposed to go and do a presentation for this group might also be a good forcing function for everybody involved because we've been getting um Like I think Brandon I think the work you did was really nice and actually was more helpful than the work that we got out of Out of the rest of the cncf unfortunately, so Maybe um as a proof of concept we could we could showcase what we've done at a future meeting So far and then kind of go from there Okay. Yeah, I like that. Um And I think if If the feedback from that seems to be Kind of straightforward and good and then we can just put the landscape into practice if not if it looks like there's um a lot more work That needs to be done that then maybe we can Continue looking at merging the existing prs for landscapes How does that sound to you because I I think there are just a couple of prs with landscapes open I I don't want to You know keep saying that we have something coming that that's a bit Takes a bit more time to to get that Yeah, I don't know what the agenda is like, but if you know, we could do this at a future meeting either Something like two weeks from now somewhere around that time two three weeks for now. I think that would I mean heck even next week may work. So We're not far from having something we can show and then have people Pick at and then if the group likes this direction, then Uh, there's gonna be a lot of work to do and hopefully we'll recruit a bunch of other people to help Okay, sounds good. Um, I guess I'll try and see what the schedule is for the next two weeks And then I'll put us in for months or so In the meantime, I guess for The landscape related PRs maybe we can discuss that at that meeting once we've done the presentation Okay If there's no additional PRs that we need to bring up, we'll just move on to the open floor I'll actually open with one. It's a General PR ticket. I might just close. I don't know if it warrants much more discussion beyond The column-based format that we have in the notes right now Is it Same as before does it provide any help or does it provide any difficulty for scribes? Okay, I'll treat that as no pros or cons to speak of I'll leave it like so and if by chance it Makes it less efficient throughout all tedious to take the meeting minutes I'll revert the document back for the following meetings to how it used to be Does anyone have any other topics? I've been enjoying it Great. It looks really organized. I love the addition of the bullet points up front to really drive home um, you know kind of the norms of The steps that we go through the beginning of the meetings, uh, and you know establish better Better clarity of better repeatability of those processes Thank you Also helps me remember what order I gotta do things in so I don't do them out of order like last time Are there any other topics anyone wants to bring while the floor is open? Okay Well that the case We're that's a wrap for today. Have a great rest of day everyone and hope everyone stays healthy Thank you