 This is the Daily Tech News show for Wednesday, December 27th 2017 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feelin at the beach I am Sarah Lane And of course alongside with us is our producer Roger Chang. How are you sir? I'm doing fine this end of the month in December End of the month December 27th Welcome to our end of year listener co-host show This is the annual episode where we invite some folks from our audience in this case supporters At the advisor level on patreon to appear with us talk about some technology talk about themselves Maybe ask a few questions reveal a few things about the show So please welcome john. How's it going? Hello, how's it going tom? Hey john. Thanks for being with us Thank you Matthew is here as well. Matthew. Thanks for joining us Hey, thanks for having me And uh paul paul boyers with us as well. How's it going? It's going great going great got the first snow of the year. So everybody is crashing, you know, but other than that, it's fun Good to know. All right. Uh, let's check. Let's start with you. Uh, john What kind of technology stuff are you into? Is it with work? Is it at home? Is it both? What what gets good gets you into tech? It's a bit of both. Uh, I started off with a lot of home stuff building computers learning about technology I was fascinated with what computers could do and As I've gotten older I've learned a lot more learned to help other people Uh, now I'm actually working helping people build their own computers, which is a lot of fun Um, so it's just generally everything technology Gets me excited for what's going to happen in the future Now when you say you're helping people build their own computers for as a hobby or for work That is for work Oh cool Well, you're probably getting at it then. What was the first piece of tech that you were into? Uh, that's hard to say probably desktop computers. Um Because when I started off it was kind of desktop computers or You know bigger stuff. Uh, so my dad would would bring home Uh parts or whole computers. He'd let me play with them. Um Mostly playing off Uh to start but eventually I learned how they worked. I learned how to build them how to fix them and uh, it's taken off from there Excellent. What was the what was the era of processor in those those computers? Uh, the first ones were probably Early 286 386 machines. Okay. Yeah, so that's way back. That's back. That's back when I was getting my first my first actual real desktop that wasn't like a Commodore 64 or something was an IBM ps2 with a 286 processor in it Early high school for me. Yeah So, uh, so how did you stumble across us? I literally, uh Was like I need to have something technology related to listen to So I downloaded a random podcast app which ended up being podcast addict And I went into the search and I searched tech news And uh dts was the first thing to pop up. Oh, wow. You guys listed along along a few other things Uh, and you were the ones that I was like these guys know what they're talking about these guys These guys are fun to listen to so Been listening ever since excellent. All right. Uh, so what kind of what kind of questions can we answer for you on on our end? Well, uh, I've I've seen a bit of the behind the scenes for you what your day is like Getting getting ready for the show doing the headlines and everything So I'm wondering what's it like for roger? As the producer getting ready for the show because he's usually in the background um typically my day starts around 7 30 I roll out of bed behind me and uh I go through the I go through all the news That we normally have I have I basically have an rss reader and I I have these 10 8 to 10 10 new sites listed That I get feeds from and I go through them and I start pulling stories That I start that I drop into the Rundown and I also start going and following up on emails. I've made in the previous Part of the week. So if there's emails that I've sent For guests or for example C for CES. I had to do a lot of back and forth. I check on that basically to make sure a lot of the The bits that are underneath the show that get guests On the show that get us access to things that we need to get access to to verify various aspects for example, perhaps a design of the show or Ensuring that any questions that viewers may have with for example my podcast Pat my podcatcher did not get the show. I need help whether it comes over twitter or some other Feed I'm following up on that to make sure that oh indeed that person Did finally get the show Via the app that they have so you know trying trouble shooting trouble shooting booking guests and following up with logistics cool and What does my day look like? Um Well, um for anybody who listens to headlines, I do them on wednesday So my wednesday is a little different because I do that in the morning, but otherwise I have uh a few other projects that I juggle along with dTns And so in the morning, uh depending on what else I have to do depends on what time I get up in the morning, but kind of mostly Drinking my coffee having a little breakfast Looking at news trying to figure out what's important. Um, and also trying to figure out what's important for this show Sometimes people on my block get a little crazy. They're excited about the new year Yeah, I love the show. Um, but yeah, so it's kind of like Um, it's it's it's a solitary life for a few hours in the morning and then we do this And Roger and Tom and I usually after we say goodbye to everybody, you know, we do a little housekeeping figure out what's going on Not only for the next day, but stuff that's coming up CES would be one of those or you know, what is our holiday schedule like and just you know, it's just there's always something And then, you know, we kind of go back to doing our research stuff until the next day the daily tech thing is something that I'm Used to and comfortable with and it kind of keeps me honest So that my schedule doesn't deviate too much. Yeah, you can't stay away Whether I can do it every time I think I'm out. They pull me back it All right, so we'll have some time maybe to get a few more questions around the horn But I don't want Matthew and Paul to just be sitting there doing nothing So let's let's get to Matthew and and find out what what is it that you do with with technology both both home and away? Well At work, um, I manage all everything, you know, Regarding everything it I'm a dude named Ben, you know, sys admin Taking care of servers networking network networking side desktop support. We're kind of a small company You're only about 50 people. So I do I wear many hats around here. Yeah, you got all the hats. It sounds like Yeah, pretty much And then what what kind of tech do you like to do on on on your off time or is it all leave it at work? No, it definitely Definitely doesn't all leave it at work and all it follows me home Um much this the chagrin of my kids or or you know, my girlfriend or whatever You know, we're trying to run all that stuff at home. Yeah, they they get I think they get frustrated with the you know, you know You know, Alexa doing this or you know other things, you know going on going on around the house You know, it's like in fact my girlfriend just before the show. She's like, how come how come Alexa can't turn on the christmas tree? I don't know that Well, why why isn't this working, you know, things like that's one of those things where you know the answer But you're like, I can't explain this to you right now. Like there's there's just too many steps involved Right, right. It's just like, you know, I don't know why it's not working for you I know that it does work, but you know why it's not working right this minute, you know, I don't know Being the tech hero is a blessing and a curse It is it's a definitely a blessing and a curse So how'd you end up stumbling across dTNS? uh, I followed you from TNT actually so So when you left it was like, oh, hey, you know, where's time going now? You know, it's like, uh, you know Not just be kill of the of the old show, but you know, I just like it wasn't wasn't quite the same So, you know, I ended up following Following you into this the new show and I like it and so I've just kind of been sticking with it ever since Well, you've been a great supporter of it. I appreciate that Although it does bring up the question. How'd you find TNT in the first place then? Um, well, you know, twit always was, you know, been around forever, you know, but I never really I don't know. I I never was Really big into podcasts for a long time, you know, and then all of a sudden you did just like I just kind of got into the groove, I guess and just started listening to him and now I have, you know, what it does in different podcasts and and you know They it's just kind of how it worked out, I guess Do you have a any question for us? Well, you know, you said, you know, one time you had mentioned that you did you wish you hadn't done Done a daily tech news show, you know, it's like it's like so what would you do instead? You know, if you had to go back and start all over what kind of format would you do? Well, here's the thing. Here's the secret truth of that for me and it's sarah kind of alluded to it for her earlier I just can't stop doing daily tech news So when I said that I was like stepping outside of myself and saying objectively people who do daily things are insane Because it's harder. You have to do them every day Uh, and you you know, they take up time Um, so I don't know. I mean if I had to do it all over again If I had to start all over again right now Maybe I would tilt it to be more headlinesy on the daily side and then discussion Once a week where I could really dig in and and prepare for that Uh, so I could spend more time, uh on main topics or something, but I don't know. I have a feeling it would just end up Eventually drifting into exactly what's going on now I think most people who do daily content doesn't have to be about tech But just daily content and and you know for our purposes live as well, you know, it used to be live tv Now it's live on the internet same idea You know, it's we all complain about the same stuff like oh, it's such a grind and never ends It's groundhog day every day But it's also really comforting. Yeah, you know, you know what you need to do There's a structure Uh, you're you know a lot about stuff that other people don't know about, you know I know a few of you have alluded to you know, you're you're the tech person in the household It's like so many of my friends are like Sarah just knows so much about tech and I'm like, it's my job I mean, it's fun, but it's like I you know, I I I get something from it as well. Yeah It's it's definitely a routine. I think Since all of us actually kind of rolled out of uh, ziff davis cdt or tech tv back in the day I mean, it's Even when I wasn't doing this particular job I kind of still had the same routine kind of out of habit. Yeah, like oh, I We know no other life matthew Yeah, it's like if we're not doing it for a job, we're going to do it anyway So why not combine the two and make it easier on ourselves? Right. I mean if it was like the same thing if I work in tech, you know, it's like Doing, you know fixing computers and networking and everything else. If I didn't do that I'm not really sure what I would be doing, you know Yeah, you'd probably be the guy that people came to to fix their computers anyway, even if that wasn't your job I just would be getting paid for it. Right. Yeah, exactly. So you might as well get paid for it Right, Paul. Let's uh, let's check in with you. Uh, what is it that you do both both in your day and and I don't want to say evening But in your personal This is true that it's my day. Am I you know, um, I'm a video game developer um Sorry, um, but I've been a tech nerd forever So, uh, I started with a timex Sinclair 2068 that I talked my grandma to bind me after watching war games So, um, I've been around for a while and I was a giant tech tv fan And uh Then that kind of have led to this diaspora of all you guys going out and uh, so then twit and Then after you guys left tnt. I kept watching while sarah was on But then I was like, oh What's this? Oh, hey, tom's got another show and then like A month after I discovered it you kind of became my default Technique show weekly show daily show. So after that I just pretty much You became my source of tech news. So I'm very grateful So can you is there anything about your video game development that you can talk about? I don't want to get you in trouble or anything, but oh, yeah No, I'm nothing we're working on right now Is particularly secret. I'm uh, I was the lead designer on galactic civilizations three, which is turn-based strategy game and uh, right now I'm working on an expansion for that and I'm also working on star control origins, which is Oh Which is start control. Yeah. Well, it's uh, it's a whole story. That's something you should google but But yeah, we're working on that and uh, so I'm bouncing back and forth between that But uh Yeah, I just work work work work, you know as all game poor game industry people do Do you I mean, yeah, go ahead sarah. Well, I was just gonna ask I always ask this to people who actually work developing video games. How much do you play them since you? Are working on the back end much more than the average gamer would well you play your own games But then they're not fun because you're just looking at problems. So I would I I tend to play games that are not the type of games we make So like I'm a big fallout. Oh, you can see behind me. It's a fallout um All out skyroom fan. I'm actually working on a large scale fallout mod in my spare time because that's You know, I can't play a game and start without going. Oh, what am I gonna? What would I do here? and But yeah, I I get to play them less than I would like but I try and get a couple again usually over christmas break And do you do you find it a grind or do you just get in in it and you're like it doesn't matter what game it is? I just love Coating it can be a grind I we had a game that didn't do so well a few years ago called elemental and at one point I worked You know an extra month in a three month period Where it was like, you know working from Nine to two every day for you know, three months, which Is hard enough if the game succeeds But if it if it doesn't meet its expectations As long as you're excited about the project the grind isn't a big deal If you if you are like, oh my god, this isn't gonna work Then it becomes a problem. So right now I'm pretty happy and and also because of elemental we we readjusted a little to have More flexible hours. So it's it's been less bad for the like the last five years. So Yeah, it's great. I love it. Um a lot of work though. What about your leisure tech? Oh, okay. Well, I'm a giant nerd. I have all of the you know, I have echoes everywhere and uh, and uh, I just got the iphone 10 and I'm still trying to figure out whether I like it or not so But you know, I I buy whatever I can afford And Matthew didn't set off your echoes when he was mentioning her name earlier. No, no Well, I have a headphone on he might set it off. That's good. Maybe they're good better So, yeah, well mine get set off on random words off the tv at home. They don't even have to say the magic word Yeah, I had a situation where I was in front of my echo show which is in the kitchen I asked it something and the one in the in the living room answered I'm like, how does that? Yeah, you are you asleep? What? This is weird All right Paul, do you have any questions for us? Oh, well, well, I had like a couple but really the main one I was It's more of an observation with a you know, what do you how you guys feel about this is um, one of the main reasons I stick with you And uh, I I'm mostly referring to tom because he's like the zen master Is this is that you seem to not get too biased you're very careful about the bias and you try and avoid the politics So I feel like I can listen to you and get like a fair Uh reporting of what's going on So how much do you feel that contributes to the success or detriment of the show in general? That's a that's a great question. I I don't know always is the honest answer But uh, yeah, I do try to at least correct for my own biases If not try to present multiple viewpoints on things and think well, okay now. Wait a minute What would what would somebody who doesn't like that particular ecosystem or doesn't have that much money or has way more money How how would they look at this? I mean that helps me understand issues better And I think if it does help the show it's because It opens it up to people who like oh, I didn't think about it that way it can hurt the show because One thing that grabs eyeballs is controversy. And if you're presenting all the sides Sometimes that can be controversial, but sometimes that people will go. Well, well, that wasn't fun He didn't uh sensationalize that issue, right? We didn't get to do a clickbait headline I feel like that would end up I feel like one of the things that happens like with twitter with not twit But with some other podcast is that you feel like they favor something and then for you kind of start Tuning out. So I think that it's really nice to have that neutrality or at least A view of it. Yeah, I did just try to be cognizant I think all of us who work on the show try to be cognizant of that Uh and take it take into account that there's all kinds of different people there one thing I think dTNS particularly has improved upon is is Accounting for our own us based Uh a perspective we're never going to come off as a non us based show except when we have non us based people on it Which is one of the reasons I love having patrick But I think if we account for that and say well, let's I'm going to make sure that I look twice At stories that I might not have before Because they're in china because they're in africa because they're in europe, uh, you know I think we've gotten better at bringing in some really interesting stuff that way Okay, I have one last question. You know whether or not we you know think about it All that consciously day to day. It's like You would watch. Oh, I don't know. I'm not going to call it any show specifically But a lot of tv shows where there's a tech pundit You know, maybe I go on one of their shows and they'll be like you're the iphone girl, right? So you're going to be that's your thing dTNS is not like that in fact, you know, we we we try not to do too much of that You know that of course everybody likes what they like, but it's supposed to be Fair well-rounded and that's not effortless, but it's a nice reminder every day to Remember what is important to people not just what's important to you and you know really take the time to look through stories And then you learn something That's what I get at it. Anyway, yeah agreed All right, so we'll we'll come back to everybody for at least one or two more questions But but john has been waiting patiently Over there on I say over there the audio people can't see it, but he's over there on that side I see him. He's right over there. Yeah, he's right there. Uh, so john, do you have any more questions? uh What is the worst thing about covering tech news Oh, where do I start? I think Yes, I think one of the the the most obnoxious things and it's And I don't know if it translates as much as just just sometimes the hype machine gets a little too much And all you want to do is roll your eyes back And in your head feels like a like a a slot machine because it's kind of just kind of like my journey because you hear because because What ends up happening in the hype machine is you heard a lot of buzzwords They don't it's all very shallow. You don't really get enough Detail and that really especially as a journalist you can't get kind of bug because that's you live and breathe on details, right? Anyone can make broad shallow Suggestions or or Comments about their particular products someone else right But I mean what people really want is something like deep meaty Data to go with it like, you know, oh this battery lasts long enough for anyone to use it What does that mean? Is that all day typing? Is that all day browsing the web? I mean, there's all these things that people want to know because everyone has a different usage A scenario for that particular product, right the way I use a laptop It's probably different than say someone who is working on their master's thesis and like, you know, English history Is it, you know, so, you know, what's good for me might not be good for them and vice versa Yeah, that's one of it is is I very carefully curated The the the outlets that I rely on for that very reason there are there are places I know, okay And even particular reporters at places I'm like this person's good at giving me the actual information and taking into account the questions that people will ask So that that that is one of the worst things is running into all these things We're like, okay, you say this happens, but you don't you don't have a source or you're not you're not divulging Where or this or that? But and that kind of goes along with the movement to outrage And this is both on the the side of the people who cover technology as well as the fans of technology Who just want to jump all over something? Based on one sentence rather than actually understanding. Well, wait a minute. Why are they doing that? What's really going to be the outcome of that? I think I you know, that's that's a pervasive problem in all kinds of arenas right now But I've been seeing that in technology ever since I started covering I think the one the if I had to choose one thing tech often forces us to talk about very rich people and their money wars Um, yeah, I don't mean necessarily like individual people but people who are in charge of very large companies Which affect us so it's relevant, but you know, there are certain days where I'm like If we could just not talk about these rich people trading money back and forth It would be too soon throwing money at each other Taking their apps off of each other's platforms, but that's you know, maybe if maybe if I was extremely wealthy I'd be like this is so great Maybe Matthew, what about you? Do you have any other questions for us? Well, you know, I was thinking about it the other day, you know, how come you don't do your tech? Uh history like every day I mean just start throwing that in there in the tech in the tech daily headlines or something and just Throw it in there all the all the every day. I used to do it every day as a podcast and it just didn't get that many people reading or subscribing to it Uh, and it was one of those cost-benefit analyses if I could use this time to be doing something else that more people are Going to enjoy, uh, and I can still do the tech history thing in other ways. So it's not like I won't do it Throwing it into the show. I don't know because it wasn't that popular there. I guess that's why I've been like I don't know if that would if that would help the show or not And we do try to keep the show real tight maybe we maybe we can start throwing it in the the pre or the post show though just as a as a delectable tidbit from time to time Or even as a as a headline Maybe I mean you got to create more work for all of us No, it's not like we don't do that when there's like a really big one, right? We windows turned 30 that that goes in there. So yeah, we could make an effort to do it more often even Put it as a quick hit people like it. Let us know quick history hit Quick Paul what about you do you have any other questions? um I guess the only other question I really had was are you um happy with the success of the show in its current iteration and are you Do you feel like there's stuff you you're not big enough to do or are you more concerned about oh god We're getting too big. I have too much to do Uh No, well, okay. I'll pull I'll pull my answer out of that I'm very happy with the show where the show is and where it's going Bringing sarah on has helped a ton having roger around And jenny before him has always been helpful So I I'm I'm very pleased and stunned that we've been able to keep this going this long I I feel like especially in that first year. I'm like, oh, we'll ride this until it fades out And then I'll do whatever comes next So the fact that we've not only been able to keep it going to keep it growing Is incredibly satisfying. I do wish sometimes There was a way To, you know, bring on more people or or do think do some more experimental things Where I could, you know, give someone a little bit of money to try something out It's kind of the idea behind the DTS labs Even though that's more of what we're doing internally and there's not a lot of money behind it It's it's the first step towards that Because it'd be great. I mean, I'm sure roger would agree it'd be great to have a booker Separate from a producer and it would it would be great to have, you know, a switcher and and little things like that But overall, you know, those are just Small things that I'm like, oh, well if we had a little a little bit more resources We could do that we could do this maybe build up the merchandise in the store or more stuff like that I don't know, but I have to say I am very very impressed With the quality of the show concerning Um, the limited resources three of us working on which is for the three. I mean it really polished I mean, I I have Been tangentially related to to larger things that did not shine as well Yeah, or maybe even gloss But uh, no, it's just I think it's a testament to tom to to sarah and to the the contributors And and I mean like did there scott justin patrick veronica. I mean, it's just a quality set of People that I it's just it's amazing. I Again, you know, just having been situations where you can't have a lot of bodies Together it does not always translate into a quality product, which I think detieness does generate Yeah, I I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that we all want to do it And we're doing it for you rather than well, we have to do it because it's the job we could get and it's not a deal But you know, I'm doing it for this corporate overlord. So whatever Uh, and and even when I was doing it in big companies, uh, I still enjoyed most of what I did Uh, but there's something extra about like wow, there's no filter. It's just it's just me And sarah and roger in the audience Well, instead of just being like oh people are complaining on the forums me Uh, you know or uh people, you know, don't look at the comments It's like we look at all that stuff because it really is a group effort and that I mean at least for me when I know that there are people who care as much as I do if not more Uh, it's very motivating Yeah Agreed Any other questions from from any of the three of you before we wrap up here Why do you have a globe covering up pilot x on your bookshelf? Why do I have a glow? A globe You know what I was actually using pilot x to cover a reflection That's why that's that way, uh, I think what I think what you're saying is maybe I should put my own book Visible and do something else to cover the reflection Um wise I thought you were being nice. So uh, I like the reflection excuse better No, in fact, I should put citadel 32, which is actually about the moon behind the moon. That would make more sense Uh, what do you got john matthew any other questions from you guys? Are all those books real or do they all have significance to you or were they just there for Yeah for books. No, they they are not only all real three-dimensional books But they're all my books they're books that I I would I had on the shelf for my own reasons And then when we shifted things around we just took books off the shelf and said, okay, which ones look good Uh, so, you know, I have I can't say I've read every single one of them But some of them go back to when I was in austin working at the bookstore Back there also tom has you know in the room that he's in I know you only see one view But there are a lot more books in that room Yeah, there are Perhaps thousands of books in that room And honestly, uh, this is a cut down version of what I used to have when I lived in austin when I moved from austin To san francisco. I couldn't take all the books that I had at the time with me. So It's a problem Well, thanks to kink. Thanks to kindle. You don't have that problem so much anymore, right? I mean, well, that's true I I don't I don't acquire books that I read as much because they're on kindle But because of sword and laser I get review copies sent to me That's a whole different problem Because some of those are books. I'm like, I don't even know who this is but okay Uh, but we've we're figuring out ways that if you're a sword and laser, uh listener Keep keep watch for ways to get some of those books John any last question from you, uh, what else is on the shelf back there? I see some non book items Oh, yeah. Uh, well, there's a globe of the universe. Uh, there's len frault's picture of jango Uh, there's a gavel There's a moon globe Mike mclofflin's hat from when he was in the army Dtss award podcast award a slide rule Uh, a handwritten list of equipment that I screen kept and tweeted to the we have concerns people Uh, a couple of diamond club things the great dts and diamond club signs That's that's most of it What's on your wall behind you sarah Uh, well, um got some plants That's a map of london kind of weird But you know the river might be familiar to some of you Cat poster because you know, whatever this you really can't see when when I put it up on the wall I thought it would I don't know be more impactful. It's all pictures of Paris that I posted on instagram that don't contain people Anyway had a lot of them. So I decided to print it out and frame it Uh, another plant, uh, my dad, uh, this thing that some woman made me a long time ago Some of these books actually came from top It was like tommy like too many books take some books and I was like, okay, and then um, you know, just sort of general ambiance Uh, but uh, and I think I might have mentioned this while we were live in a recent show my goal Uh, sooner than later is to move this studio into my bedroom, which is actually the bigger room I have two bedrooms. This is quite a small room actually Um, because I was like, hold on a second if I only sleep in my bedroom and I don't care about the extra space Why is the bigger room my bedroom makes no sense? So Hopefully Perhaps by the new year I'll have a little bit more depth going on, but I'll probably recreate something like this because I don't know. I think it looks okay And roger was That's right Yeah, good point get on it Roger has a bed. I have a bed. I have a nightstand. I have another desk behind me and a closet filled with things I need to organize The bed is always made at roger's house always No, it's not Oh, well, no, no, it's made in time for the show All right, well guys, thank you so much uh for joining us and for supporting us on patreon. You guys are the best No problem. Thank you. Thanks so much and thanks for being here, you know It takes courage to you know, just kind of come into a show and everybody was had a really good stories and It's nice to see you all Let's go around the horn. Uh, if you have anything to tell folks about like your twitter following or a website or maybe game Uh, give you a chance to to say it now paul. What about you? Well, uh galactic civilizations 3 so unsale a lot these days because it's old um and uh star control origins is now available for pre-order So those will affect me directly and maybe plugging them will get me some credit at work. I don't know But yeah, I don't really do much besides work and uh and run So and listen to dts Well paul, thanks so much for joining us man. It was really cool talking to you. All right Matthew, what about you? Well, um, you can follow. You know, I'm on gadget virtuoso just about everywhere. So if you want to follow me there That's great. Um, you know, the company I work for a game circus. We do a bunch of different mobile games They're, you know, family friendly games for your kids and for anybody You know, we've got a new game. That's like a strategy type P2P type game That's you know, if you're in the philippines or you know, a couple other countries that we're still rolling out But look for it, you know early next year. Um, it should be out everywhere Excellent. Uh, always a pleasure chatting with you in slack or elsewhere, man Always. Yeah, it's it's been fun. Yeah, and likewise for you john You're like one of the the other super active guys in our slack Yeah, it's a lot of fun being in the slack. I love talking to other people about tech and what's going on and Occasionally just cats and random things. Yeah, so uh, nothing wrong with talking about cats Cats are fun. I have a cat. Yeah cats Look cats keep coming keep keep more cats coming if if folks want to to find out more about what's going on with you Is there any place they they they should go or? Uh, you can find me on twitter, which i'm not terribly active on but uh, i'm there at doctor underscore x 17 And uh, I have a new website that may or may not have something on it. Uh ttns.tech Um Taco tech news shack this sounds amazing It will be Taco talk It may involve some tacos, but uh, it's probably gonna be a little more tech. Yeah Just get a taco like tech in a shell. Yeah, it's all the best things in life tacos tech shacks Hmm Wish I had thought of it Paul, sorry, uh, sorry john. 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