 In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness, health, entertainment, and comedy podcast. We answer fitness and health questions that are asked by some of our listeners, but the way we open the episode is with an introductory portion. Today's episode has a 38 minute intro where we talk about current events, we talk about ourselves, we mention our sponsors. So let me give you the breakdown of this whole episode. We start out by talking about my hair. It got cut finally. It took a long time. Then we talked about kids games that we played when we were kids that kids today would never dream of playing. Justin talked about the weird place he got a mosquito bite. I feel really bad for that mosquito. I can't believe I admitted this. Then he taught us about something that happened in the 19th century called Shanghai, kind of crazy. Yeah, look and do it. We talk about GNC permanently closing down something like 1200 stores and going bankrupt. That's kind of crazy. 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We think it's vital to life. And the final question- We're for it. Yeah, we like you son. And the final question, this person says, how do you deal with someone that's really, really harsh on themselves? Also, in addition to the summer sale, Maps Hitton is an additional 10% off with the code HIT50, H-I-I-T-5-0. But again, those other codes for the big summer sale are Summer Program, that's 40% off all programs, or Summer Bundle for an additional 25% off all programs. And you can find all of this at mapsfitnessproducts.com. It's a bundle of love. Do you know how much faster I feel right now? Do you know how good your hair looks today? It's fast. Does it tell, Justin, tell me? He's like athletic. No, okay. That's all you needed. You went too far. You said you're fast, so. For me. Be honest right now, okay? Do you feel like you can even tell a difference between a stylist cutting your hair versus- Of course, okay. Of course I could tell a difference. It's way more expensive. You're wallet- No, of course. Of course. There's a big difference between someone as soon as a stylist and someone who works there. I mean, personally, I think this is the most handsome I've ever seen you. No. Yes. It's pretty close. That's really handsome. It is. Because you've seen me look- Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, but you look good right now. Dude, my hair was at a control. It was nuts. I feel myself doing this already. Just tell me more. You know what I mean? I just can't help it. Shut up. I'm trying to get my son to get a haircut. He looks terrible right now. He's got so much hair. Because at least my hair- See a wolf, man? At least my hair is not as thick. When I was a kid, my hair was so thick, dude. My poofy, right? Oh, it was terrible. That's my son. So right now, he literally looks like, I told him, I said, if I left you outside, someone would probably give you food or something because I think you're home. He just hairs this all over the place. Does he not want to get one? He doesn't care, dude. He doesn't care. No, man. He doesn't care. Even though I think he's talking to the girls. Now, were you going to say, what's happening with that one? I know, you know what I mean? Were you like that at his age? Did you not care? Like, whatever. I was into girls pretty young. I'm trying to think when I started to try to look different for girls. It was right around, I'd say right around his age, but the way I tried to look different was lift weights. I don't really care about my hair. Yeah, as I say, did you take time picking an outfit out before school? Did you do your hair? No, that wasn't you. You did that. You know you did that the night before. Of course I did. You planted the day before. Maybe. Maybe sometimes. You totally did. It was like laid out, like somewhere on a chair, like probably standing back, looking at the shoes. I 100% in high school. If I had, let's say there was like a group project, right? A group project in class, like biology or something. And, you know, the hot chick that I had a crush on was going to be in my group 100% bro. Oh yeah. I fucking thought about my outfit. 100%. That was me in math class. For sure. Yeah. Right next to you. Maybe not like a normal day, like a normal day going to school. Like I could pick my outfit out the morning of, but if I was going to see like a girl or be a part. Like you got to be sharp. You got to be on point. Yeah, the best. I was like, my best outfit's coming out, dude. I didn't even ask my mom to wash. Like if my clothes were dirty, they might have favorite pair of jeans or something. Like I loved. I was like, oh, you got to wash this for me. The shoes and the hat, you know, everything matched. Yeah. See, I went this far. If I thought, if I got a compliment on something, I wore it all the time. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, these, these are the jeans. Oh, more of this? No problem. Yeah, you do that. Mom, can we buy four pairs of these exact jeans? Not much has changed. Yeah. Stacey likes it. I looked, I, there was some, so my mom's got old photo albums. And not that long ago, I looked through some of them to see God, the style was in the, in the mid 90s. Wow. Yeah. Oh yeah. What was going on? It was special, wasn't it? Dude, I had the, you know, the jeans that were just huge. Janko. You were all jankoed out? That's great. Yeah. Like huge and you, you covered your foot. Yeah. You can't even see your shoes. I had, I wore real baggy pants. Yeah. Yeah. You don't wear those. Kind of would sag just enough, you know. That's right. That was a thing too. Sagging a little bit. So you'd almost go butt crack. But one, one piece of style has been consistent with me forever. That's the undershirt, the beater. Oh yeah. I've had that for, since I was, I can't remember. That's part of your skin. I mean, let's be honest. My son, my son teases me about it. He's like, why do you wear that? It's hot outside. Why do you have it underneath your shirt? It's bad when your kids busting your balls, dude. No, no, no. He'll, he'll get it one day. One day he'll put it on and be like, oh wait. You're like, ooh. I look bigger. I like to hug constantly. Yeah. Because my kids also make fun of my underwear, you know, because I'm with the Italian, you know, the, the, the breed, the, not briefs, they're like bikini underwear. And my son's like, why do you wear that? Try them on one time, you'll see. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm surprised you don't go full speedo, you know, for full time. There's, oh, to go swimming? Yeah. No, I won't do that. Courtney's dad used to do that. Did he really? Oh, are you serious? The family revolted. They were like, okay. No, you can't do this anymore. See, I would totally do that. I was like on a trip. On like a vacation trip, like Katrina, like in Fiji, where we're on like, like the island together or something. Just to track the other swingers. So I get, I get tan right, bro. Because that's what'll happen. That's what'll happen if you go out in the speedos. But I would not get that out at a family barbecue. I would not come out in my speedo. You'll get the middle-aged couple. All the gold chains coming over. Hey, what's happening over there? The middle-aged guy, can I buy you a drink? You guys go into a disco. What's happening? Your wife is beautiful, right? Yeah. Anyway, you guys want to come hang out afterwards? That's right. Yeah. Have you ever, have you guys had that happen? You had a resort? We've had that happen. I mean, subtle. It wasn't as obvious as yours, but we had people that hung out with us for way too long. We had to break off. Oh, dude, you had Jessica and I a couple times at a resort. And you never know for sure, unless they tell you what's going on. But afterwards, we got back to the room and we were a little bit like, I think they were trying to hit on us. You know what I mean? And you know how you can tell? They, it's the woman of the couple. That's the one that's the, she's the hunter. That's the bait. The guy can't do it. No, because it's creepy. Right, right. With the girl and then she'll flirt with your girl. Isn't that unfair how that is? Think about that for a second. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Like if the guy comes over. You have five drinks and you're like, wait a minute. If a guy comes over and hits on another man's wife, libel shit's going to go down like bad. You know what I'm saying? Dude, that happened at my high school reunion. This girl just like was, kept talking to Courtney and we were like, oh, I'm great. She's hitting it off with somebody, talking to somebody. And then she kept, wow, you look really good. Like really good. Her hair is amazing. And she started like touching her. And then Courtney looks at me like, wait a minute. It's getting different. And she likes you. You know what's funny too? This is great to watch. And the wives at first, they enjoy it. Like, I really like Susan. She's like so friendly. And then friendly turns into like touchy-feely. You know what I'm saying? And then it's like, I'm not sure about Susan anymore. It's super sneaky. We're needy shopping. They send the lady. They send the lady to hit on the lady. Because nobody's going to stop that. And then you're right. She gets like, oh, she's so nice. Yeah, she likes her. She likes her the first day. And then day two, she comes in a little bit closer. Dude, I ate one of those, uh, those, uh, Icai bowls this morning. Do you know how many calories those things have? A lot. Yeah, I avoid those for the reason. I was, I went the whole, why do you avoid them, Justin? Shut up. If it was a cheese bowl, you would have correct me. Fucking sugar. That's why. This guy actually is counting calories. He's like, give me all the fat. And I'm trying to watch my figure right now. I don't eat those. Those are two-eyed calories. But I'll eat a block of cheese. Dipping cheetah. I'm on the all-gum diet right now. It's chicharotes and cheese, you know? No, it's like this big, right? It's not even that big. And it's got 30 grams of protein in it. So that's why I got it. Because this morning we didn't have. 900 grams of carbs. No, it's 1100 calorie bowl. Yeah, they're high. And it's 99% sugar, for sure. Yeah. So I feel a little weird. But how did it taste? It was sweet. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel a little bit, a little weird at the moment. Hey, people were calling me out about my banana exaggeration the other day. Did you see that? Oh, no, I didn't see that. Yeah, that's just because I said 50 grams of sugar. It was probably more like 32. But still it's a lot, right? So that was, I think my point was that the bananas are a lot higher than what people think they were. But someone's like, you know how big of a banana that has to be, bro, to have like 50? What kind of bananas are you working with those? It's been a while since I've thrown one on a scale. But my point is it's a lot more than what the books are telling you. Adam likes the big bananas. Oh, yeah. You know, I want to tell you guys this. So I didn't realize just how different the games that kids play in school or what the friends are from when we were younger. I mean, I know that dodgeball has kind of been banned and that kind of stuff. But do you guys remember the game butts up 100%? How did you play that? I do remember that. Yeah. So we played it with like a tennis ball. Yes. Against, yeah, like a backboard. And then if you lost, you had to go stand up. Like basically like you're under arrest, but your hands are on the backboard. Throw it at your ass. Throw it at your ass. That's hard as it can. Yeah. Except you found a hack. So you'd throw it and you'd bounce it under their legs. It bounced off and hit them right in the nuts. That was my hack. That I don't remember that. Oh yeah, that was the best. So I went for a walk with the kids and we walked to this elementary school and they had a big backboard. And it was a school that I went to. And I'm like, oh, wow. I'm like, I used to, we used to play a game here called butts up. So I'm explaining to my kids and the look of horror in my daughter's face. She's like, so if you miss the ball, then they get to throw the ball at you as hard as they want. That's mean. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's really fun. And she goes, what if they hit you in the head? I'm like, well, I mean, then, you know, they hit you anywhere. Then they're, that's what happens. But you're trying to hit them in the butt. And she's like, why would you guys play that? I'm like, it's fun. That's not fun. So that went maybe go down a rabbit hole of stuff we used to do. Did you guys ever play the game? I don't know if you guys play this. We called it baby britches. Do you guys ever play this? I've never played that one. I guarantee you've played a version of this. Yeah, yeah. Tell me how it goes. So you and your buddies. So baby britches, the game works like this. If you say any word that starts with the letter B, your friends could beat the shit out of you until you said the word baby britches. Yes, I remember that. Do you remember that? Yes, I do remember that. So you're a slug bug. Oh, when you see it. No, so this one. You just punch your friend if you saw like a VW bug. All the games were like this when we were kids. Just punch them. But it ran like all day long. So it'd be at school in classes. The whole year. Yeah, if you said a word would be you had to get it. You had to say that baby britches real quick before someone came over. Or you got pummeled. And the game. I can't believe you didn't adopt that. Yeah, and the game never ended. It was all year long. Usually this would happen. You'd start it. It's like no one's going to end it. And you would literally, I mean there were a couple times when either me or one of my friends said a word with a start with B, didn't realize it and three dudes caught it and just before the guy could say baby. So you would just get blasted. What's this one? Remember this? What's this one? Oh, yeah. If you look at it. Yeah, yeah. What's the name of it? Have you stick your finger in it though before? What do you have to do? Like you cover your eyes or? No, no. If I get you to look at the whole, you get socked from me. But if I stick my finger in it. If you stick your finger in it. If you stick your finger in it, then you get to pummel me from it. That was a done. I don't remember the name of that though. Neither do I. I don't remember that. What was all these games about beating each other up? It's just a way to all gone now. Get out weird aggression. All gone. Yeah. Explains why that generation is so soft. Of course these kids. Of course these kids are crazy now. They need something, you know. They're the reason to hit each other. Red Rover. You guys remember Red Rover? We played it on asphalt. Yeah, dude. Like you would make sure you clothes line somebody as hard as you could and then they would like flip over you and like fall smack like right on asphalt like. So what? So, okay. You went down this rabbit hole of like all the games we played. What do they play now? It's four square. That's it dude. That's it. They don't play nothing. Which we played that too. They don't even play, they play nothing. Makeup stuff. It's like my kids play cougar and I'm like what's cougar? I played that in my 20s. That's a different guy. Chase the cougar, yeah. That's not how you play dad. No, there were games that I can't even repeat the names of the games on this podcast because they're so offensive. The names of the games themselves. The ones where you just rhyme things together. Exactly what I'm talking about. You tackle people and it's offensive. That was the name of the game and it was what you play. It was so terrible, you know? It was so terrible. Why's it though? Today's context. If you judge the past by today's context, a lot of stuff. You know what I mean? There's a lot of stuff that was terrible and that would have been just one of the worst things. What's the worst place you guys have had a mosquito bite? I'm just curious. The knuckle. The knuckle is the word. Oh, I hate that. When you get them right on your index finger and they get right on the knuckle right there and it just drives you crazy, that's a bad word. I had a mosquito bite near my butt crack. I was sleeping in the nude. And you know how shitty it is to have a mosquito bite on your, basically on your butt crack? Yeah, because they're scratching that all day. Yeah. What happened here? Mine's like on my cheek and then there's one in the cheeks. What were you doing? I wasn't doing anything. Hiking in the nude near your house? Well, we were playing. I know I was outside that the mosquitoes are crazy right now and we were like playing frisbee golf. And I figured like, I don't know. I must have got bit while I was out there. But I've just, I started scratching and I thought, I was like, oh man, you know what's going on there? Like I have to wipe or something. Like a mosquito bite, dude. And it made it even worse. He's like wracking his brain. He's going, wait a second. Did I not get, did I only do, did I only do two front to back? You know, sometimes it's so itchy. It's like recounting his last bathroom breath. I mean, I don't always have wipes, dude. But the wet wipes, you know, it doesn't get on me. Oh my God. You know, Justin eats, you know. It's a battle clean and fully. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. It was an unwelcome surprise. And I'm still paying for it. I don't understand how that, yeah. How does a mosquito get in your ass? I don't know. It's a freaking mosquito. I can't explain it. You got big cheeks though. There's a lot of crack to them. There is. It went in. You imagine the poor mosquito got stuck in it. It must have been mid step. It was a horny mosquito. I don't know what was happening. The cheeks spread for a split second. This mosquito got stuck in there. And he's like, fuck. I was, yeah. I ain't going out like this. I'm upset about it. What do I do? I have a- It's so uncomfortable. I can't, like I sit and I'm like, ugh. So my kid, oh boy. He's going to hate me for telling the story. But when he was younger, he was in Italy. And they have like ants over there that bite. You know, they'll actually bite you or whatever. And one guy in his bathing suit and bit him on his piece. Yeah, dude. He was in the shower and you're like, ah, you know, it comes out. I'm like, what happened? He goes, there was an ant. And I think it bit my, it bit me here. Yeah, yeah. I had the leech thing like stand by me. I had that one time. Wow. We were in Utah and we went in this lake. You had a leech on your junk. Yeah, on my piece. Yeah. What? And it was already like going for it. What? And it freaked me out. I felt like so like, oh my God, what's going to happen to me? You know, like I didn't know, you know what? If they were like- Did you gain like superpowers? Yeah, yeah, like maybe. Leech man. The power to suck. If you think about it, that's the best place for a leech to go. It's very vascular, you know, the leech was probably, Dude, nothing freaked me out more than that. That was the worst. Of course, that has got to be the worst. There's this, I don't know where, I want to say, I want to say, what's that, the Nile, right? What's that river? There you go. And I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. So what happens when you have two milligrams of sugar for breakfast? Your brain doesn't work. But anyway, there's this fish that apparently, it's a fish or parasitic type fish, that if you, it'll swim up your, or try and burrow up your pee hole in your way. Especially if you pee in the water. It's definitely attractive. Yeah. And it goes up your pee hole, dude. I mean, how small of a fish is it? We're talking, it has to be like the smallest, the small fish to try that. I mean, you know, we don't need to talk about how small it is. Or just your way. Like the burrows it's way in there, you know. Well, I definitely don't have a massive pee hole. You don't do sounding? Garden hose. Remember when we looked that up? Yeah. Yeah. So apparently it goes up there, and then how do you get that out? Yeah, exactly. That's terrible. Yeah. Things that attack. That's scary. Those parts of us, Doug, are you bringing it? It's the penis fish. Urethra fish. Urethra. It's called the kandiru, sometimes known as the penis fish, a small Amazonian catfish. It's reported to lodge itself in the urethra of people who may be urinating in the water. I feel like this is, hey, I feel like this is one of those wise tales. Like your parents used to tell you don't pee in the pool. That's what I think too. That's what I, that's like this situation. Yeah. Like the, the environmentalists over there are like, stop pissing in the river. We're trying to keep it clean. There's a fish that's going to swim up your dick. That'd be the ultimate lesson you teach everybody, you know, at the community pool. Is it true? Throw some of those in there. Is it true, Doug? It says it's, there's very limited, credible evidence in medical literature about this happening. Yeah. That's what I like to think about. Urban myth, bro. Just to get you just, there's someone's trying to get you to stop peeing in the Nile River. I was going to say, because you know how catfish have like, the Amazon too. Razor sharp gills. Oh, imagine trying to pull that back out. You can't. You got to go all the way through to the other end. Yeah. When I was a kid, I did think that for sure, I did believe the wives tale that if you peed in the pool, that it would change color. So I never peed in the pool ever, but I know a lot of kids did. I do. I see you guys not, not. I have another urban yourself. The legend. I think I did, but I just want to want to test it out. That's what it was about. Have you guys ever heard of the term being Shanghai? No, I haven't. Yeah. So I don't know. I was, I was watching a show. I think it was like, uh, explore something, whatever with Josh Gates. And they were talking about, like this legend back in like the early 19, 19th century, where in Portland, they actually had all these different tunnels, like in systems underneath these businesses, and bar specifically, where they would take, like people that got like drunk and they would actually, like, as they were passed out, they would like kidnap them and bring them on a boat. And they wake up and they find out, oh no, I'm on a fishing boat. And then, you know, basically they have to do work and they'd just like, basically just take these guys out from, you know, from the city. And this was like a racket they were running. And like, What? Like 1500, like people, I guess, a year they would take and they would, they would like kidnap and bring on the boats to work for them. They would literally kidnap. And then they, when they drop them back off, what do they do with them afterwards? Yeah, I don't know. That's, that's a good question. They're like, they're fucked because they're on a boat. They have to. Why me? But when they get back, they didn't tell everybody, hey, look out. There's people. I know, right? Or do they just let them, they sink them out there? And that's a true story. Yeah. The thing is, like, I guess there's been like back and forth of if it was actually a proven thing that happened or not, because there's also like a sex, you know, trade kind of thing with that as well when they would take like girls. But this was a thing that, that was something that just exists still, like people believe that all these sailors would get taken from bars when they're like intoxicated and wake up and find themselves on a boat that was out, you know, to sea. One of the number one targets for crime when they kidnap people is our people who are drunk on drugs or already breaking the law because oftentimes the victims are afraid to say anything because of what they were doing when they got kidnapped. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So like, you know, you're high on crack and then they kid, they're gonna be like, well, what were you doing in the alley at that time? So people are afraid to even say anything. So they become big targets. So it makes sense that they would kidnap someone smashed out of their mind and then come back and then, you know, you can tell your wife. What a horrible hangover, right? Why? I gotta work now. Dude, did you hear about GNC? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, 1,200 locations. So they file. Permanent. File bankruptcy. Permanent closing. 1,200 stores gone. Permanent. Now here's the shocking part for me. Okay. They were still existing. Yes. If you worked there, whatever, you know, I apologize, but I don't understand how GNC was even, how they didn't like leave when Barnes & Noble was no more. So years ago, I never really tell the story on the podcast, but years ago. That's a good example though, Justin. Yeah. Because Barnes & Noble still exists. You know, they're still around and that's and why? Because books, you can buy books on Amazon. It's, you know, people still like to go in and touch, fill, pick things up. So they were, it's the supplement industry, even though it's dominated now by Amazon, bodybuilding.com's. And so at that, people still, yeah. See, I almost opened one. I almost opened a GMC. I thought about it. Years, you do too. We had friends that did it too. Yeah. So back when I was at 24 Fitness the second time around, then I left, I was going to open a GNC and decided to work. I mean, 15 years ago, it would be a killer business. Well, so I saw the writing on the wall. So I was thinking about opening one. I had the business plan all set up and everything and I was working at the time in finance or the bank. And I just thought to myself like, man, I go online and buy supplements and the prices are way better. There's way more variety. GNC kept, you know how GNC used to have all supplements, but little by little, they wouldn't carry things. And so it was like, unless you're getting vitamins or protein or caffeine, you're not going to find, you know, what you're looking for type of deal. So I saw the writing on the wall. So I decided not to do it anymore. But they used to, at one point, be very profitable. This is crazy. 1,200 locations. Yeah. Permanently done. I know the whole retail business is just like, I want to know who even is left because most stores and our mall just opened back up. It's interesting to see like there's still like a coals and there's still like some of these like big, huge, you know, retail type places that I'm like, how are they going to be able to survive? I just don't, I don't see it. Do you guys know that Valley Fair blew out a whole big old section that's brand new, that's got like all kinds of new stores that's all high, like high-end bad-ass stuff. They added a shake shack into the food. What's shake shack? That's like the popular from LA. Okay, LA. It's a LA burger joint that's like famous down there. That's like they're in and out of us over here all the time. I was talking about in and out being the best burger place over here. I thought in and out started in LA too. Probably. I don't know where. I don't know where. Where did it in and out originate from, Doug? Southern California, right? Somewhere in California. Actually, Shake Shack is from New York. Oh, it's originally from New York. Oh, okay. And then so the first place I know of it from over here is LA. So it's the first time I'd seen one was going down there. And anytime I've been down there and been with someone that's been one, they're like, oh my God, I actually haven't. Yeah, I don't think I thought I love burgers. I think I eat it once. I'm a burger connoisseur. I'll try it. I love burgers. No, I'm down. I'll try it. That's my jam. With a nice Q&A. Dude, speaking of 20, I mentioned 20 for our finnish reminder. Did you guys see those? The my old awards I posted yesterday on my story? Yeah, that was funny. Dude, so we're cleaning the garage and we're organizing. And I have this bin full of my favorite awards that I got working at 24 Fitness. And Jessica's always trying to get me to get rid of them. She's like, why do you want these? Why do you? Who cares? I'm like, this is I still got mine in a tub underneath the house. Dude, they're memories, dude. Even one of them, I had to work hard to get it because they like, I felt like I was pissed because there was a whole new regime that came in at that time. And then that was not a thing anymore that you got like awards and trophies. Yeah, Justin got fucked a little bit. He didn't get a chance to like really get after it. I was like, I wanted to go to Hawaii and then they took that away. And then I'm like, at least give me a fucking trophy, you know, like give me some acknowledgement. To give you a ribbon. Yeah. At that point, I'm like, yeah, give me something, you know, a button or something. My very first award I found in there, which is why I saved it. And it was, I mean, it's, you know, 1997, the first month that I was a trainer. And it's like an old school plaque. Remember the wood plaque with the engraved like metal thing on it? Is it the circle glass thing? No, the circle glass ones I got later. Okay. So back in 97, you would get a wooden it's before my time. It was like a wooden plaque with a metal thing on it. That's old-timey. And it was my first month. My first month as a trainer, they gave me an award and it said, and they misspelled my last name. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, they misspelled my last name. So I posted it and people will make fun of me. And then I found my million, million dollar award. So you have the ring. We're so, you should wear that. That's cool. It's like a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, same thing. Hey, our company at that time, that was like the Super Bowl. Bro, you, if you sold a million. Not a lot of people had done it back then. That's a million dollars in personal revenue. So you sold on your own. Now keep in mind, I did this in a couple years. So everybody else who had it was, had been with the company for 70 years. That's why it was such a big deal was because first of all, not a lot of guys had it. No, a small group, yeah. But it was a small group and most of them that did have it were seven, 10 years into the company. So if you were rocking that in early 2000s. I do have the ring though. You do? Yeah, but I'm not gonna wear it. Yes, come on, dude. Cheesy, oh wow. Yeah. What's that big ass ring on your finger for? I sold a million dollars with a membership. The Mont Blanc pen too? I got the whole thing. Yeah, you get the whole thing. Oh man. I have a watch that like I never wear like because we went to a bowl game that we totally got destroyed in, you know? And so it's like, I could start wearing that but we lost fucking like bad. Wait, wait, hold on. They gave watches for football? Yeah, if you make it into a bowl game, you get shit. Oh. But if you win, you get a ring. So you had a participation watch. Yeah, that's what it was, the participation watch. That's why I don't wear it. Nobody wants to wear this second place trophy. Never, never would I do that. I don't have any second place bullshit. I'm gonna tear that down. You know what I mean? Yeah. Jessica, it's all pissed off. A lot of money, man. I actually had, so I'm like, I have a big tub salad of all the glass. I have glass ones, laminate ones, wood ones that I have in there. And quite a few of them broke in one of my moves. I was really bummed about that. Yeah, no, I'm never giving rid of those. Katrina saw me all, I was all like, my heart broke it over. We should like combine all of our trophies together. Do you know who, so our buddy Larry, who has the most out of all of us, he's still fucking, he's into real estate and other things. He probably has a room. He does, he has an office. And he's got turn lights on. He just underlit. I saw him post it the other day. He's got a, you know, he's got a big ass case and he's got like all of his, all of his glass. I mean, that full had more than anybody I know. Some heavenly music just turns on as you flip the switch. So Larry, you know, Larry's a, I hired him right back in the day and very talented young man, one of the most likable people I've ever met. One of the greatest communicators ever. He's just so effective. Naturally too. Very, very good at what he does. And there was a record that I held forever. It was the world, it was the record in the whole company for sales, personal sales by a general manager. And nobody even came, they didn't even get halfway to where I was. So this thing stayed there forever. And I would taunt Larry about it constantly because he was so good as you do. That the only way to really motivate and push him was, you know, he's very competitive. And so I did it on purpose. And I wanted him to do well because I like, I love the guy. I love him to death. So I would taunt him about it. And man, the day he broke that record and he broke it by like a couple thousand dollars. Oh, he was so happy. But he didn't talk, he didn't talk any shit. I expected him to talk a lot of shit, but he didn't, which made me realize that was just, it was a respect thing between the two of us. So yeah, it's a good, it's all a good time. Dude, you know what? I've been picking up a lot lately that I think we need to give some, well, we do talk about the value of the trap bar. I really like the trap bar a lot. It's got a lot of value with. You use it the most, I think. You know, it's got a ton of value. Heavy care. Ripto doesn't agree with you. I know. I don't know why he doesn't like it. That old school guy. Dude, trap bars by, they're used way more by athletic coaches, if you haven't noticed. Yeah. Yeah. All the basketball football. To me, it makes the most sense with them for sure. It does, right? Yeah. But the heavy farmer walks, and then yesterday I was doing trap bar deadlifts. And you can lift more with the trap bar than you can with the straight bar. For me, it's usually about a, you know, if I'm looking at my max, it's like a 40 pound difference. But I was doing reps with, I think I had 520 on the bar. And just my mid-back, it's so activated from the trap bar. I really do think it's one of the better devices to use. Yeah, when you go that heavy on trap bar, do you actually fill your quads get sore too? Not sore. Then get sore. No, I don't get sore. I'm like, it's because of the range of motion isn't super low with the trap bar. It's still heavy weight though that you're doing. I mean, it's like, because it's almost like a little mini squat when you do a trap bar. Kind of, right? It's like a squat deadlift or whatever. I love it, man. Yeah, every now and then, I'll feel my QL talk to me a little bit. And I think that's just trying to stabilize because there's a little bit of shift that happens. And I know that's kind of part of the argument. But I enjoy them, especially for the farmer carries. I think they're fantastic for that. Totally. And then what's, I can't believe you just slipped my name. Dude that helped us create power lift. Do you have, did you see his trap bar pull? Oh my God. 880 pounds. He is like turning into an altered beast. Yeah. How much muscle mass does that guy gain? I don't know. Like can he still gain muscle mass at this point? He looks like he ate his old self. Yeah. That's how much bigger. 100%. He is now. I mean, it's... He's a savage dude. Honestly, like that's, he's my go-to page when I'm like trying to get high for a heavy lift day, dude. I swear to God. Are you really? Yeah, because his whole page is that. His whole page is like all of his lifts and everything is 800% I think a light day is like 670, 700 pounds. I think it's like a light day for him, for reps. Do you guys have like a most proud moment for yourselves in your whole lifting career? Is there like one moment you could say that you are most proud of? Chasing that deadlift from you was a big deal. Really? Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, go ahead. No, I just, that was a big deal for me because I never had focused on that. I never like said, I'm gonna try and deadlift. Honestly, before I met you guys, I was never a real heavy lifter. I came from the camp of, if I can't lift it five or six times, I'm not gonna put that kind of, I never did doubles, triples. I didn't do any of that. Like I just, I never saw value in it at all. Like to me, it was five reps minimum. I mean, and it was rare I even did five or six. I was normally eight, 10, 12. So to actually see like, okay, where am I at on a single for a deadlift and then to try and progress that over that like year or so that I was chasing you. Pulling that 550 felt really good. I mean, that was a big moment for me. Yeah, I think for me, it was because I was working so hard on power cleans when I was working with coaches through all these different programs. And then you would test it out. And that was actually, it turned into my best lift where I got up to like 350 or something like that. And it was like such a pivotal moment for me because in my weight class and everything, because I was like with the linebackers and I was with the guys that were kind of like, you know, on the fringe of with the linemen. And so I started, that's what kind of pushed me over into working out with all the linemen. And then I also then broke my bench record at the school for a minute before somebody beat me, but it was with 225. Oh, for reps? Yeah, for reps. So that was cool. I wonder why they use that as a strength test in football because isn't that in the, what is that called when they go do the... The combine? Yeah. Why they do the bench press? Yeah, it's 225 for reps. That's like a, it's like one of the standard tests. Well, think about it, if you're like... I'm just trying to standardize it. Well, not only that, but if you're in football, you're blocking people all the time with that. And that's, yeah. And it's, yeah, it's power reps, you know. You're just trying to find out. And you might have to do it multiple times. It's not like a one time you hit somebody for a block, you could in a guy running, you could end up blocking three, four people multiple times that same person. Interesting. Interesting. That would be my theory on why that. I would think so too, but it's, you know, bench press is, although I believe it to be a great upper body exercise, definitely one of the best, you know, developers of the chest and the shoulders and triceps. I don't, it's not super functional in comparison to like, even an overhead press, I think an overhead press is going to give you more carryover to most sports. Agreed. I think it's just because when you're, yeah, either you're blocking or you're tackling, a lot of it is that initial I would disagree for football. I would disagree. I would say football, the bench press is, and I think 225 is, think about that. That's probably, that's a good amount of weight. Most people are going to be probably weighing around that unless you're hitting a lineman, right? Who's 300 something pounds. Most people in football are going to weigh somewhere around that. And if you could move 225 explosively. Now, when you're, when you're, when you're a lineman in football and you're, you're pushing people away, are you standing upright? No, they're actually leaning forward like more of an overhead press. No, the actual real angle is an incline press, right? So that's, I believe that's the actual, the, the incline press, the incline press came from that, right? Trying to emulate the angle that a lineman coming up to block would be. So that, that's almost the perfect, you know, exercise for that. I just think like Justin saying that, if you can, that's, that, that movement, that motion is so, so, if you can do that explosively, I think that translates on the field. Incredible. That makes sense. Yeah. That makes some sense. That makes awesome. You know what I've been drinking while I, I work out just to see, especially if I do, because now I'm gonna get drunk first or? No, not that kind of drink. Yeah. Cool. I have beer. Although I have done that before. Have you guys ever had alcohol while working out? I hate working out on alcohol. It's, what do you mean you hate? I hate it. How many times have you done this? Every time. It's just the worst. Because I had tried every week. This is a bad idea. Every time. No, I, I started, so if I do the afternoon workouts where I have way more energy and I'm going to push it, I'll have a, some coconut water because of the sugars that are in the coconut water. It's got some electrolytes in there, so it's good for hydration, especially since it's hot. And then I mix the, the Organified Green Juice in there. And I've done that now a few times. Oh, while you're working out. While I'm working out. So, intra workout. And if you're going to, I mean, and studies do show that if you're gonna have a, a long kind of arduous workout, that intra workout carbohydrates can definitely help with performance. If you're gonna do like a 45 minute hard workout, probably not gonna, it's more about what you ate before. Just easy accessible energy. Yeah. So I'm just sipping on this coconut water I throw on the green juice. This actually tastes pretty good together. And I'm, I'm, I feel better. It's, because I can tell by about 60 minutes because my afternoon, if I go, if I go for it, I'm there for 90 minutes. I'm doing a one and a half hour workout. But, but when I, typically what happens at 60 minutes is I start to feel my energy start to dip. Right when I get into like shoulders and arms. But if I'm drinking some, some carbohydrates and then I put the green juice in there, which is, I just like the flavor of it. I think about that. So if I'm in a phase where I'm doing like 15 reps or more or whatever, like that's, oh my God, I'd die if I don't have some kind of something on hand that'll give me a little bit of a boost. And so yeah, I totally, it was the red juice though. I would use for those days, like back in the day. So red juice has got rhodiola in it, which has got some, yeah, and beats, which so that's gonna help a lot for a lot of people. Rhodiola is a little bit of a stimulant. And for me, I got to be careful with the stimulant aspect of it. But for some people, rhodiola is like, it's like a replacement for caffeine. I like more stimulants. You know, speaking of Organified, this is something I didn't even know. It felt so bad. We've been with them for like three years now. I didn't know this. They actually sell like a lot of bundles. Oh really? Yes, they bundle a lot of their supplements for a discounted price. And then you get our discount on top of that. So, you know, if you're somebody who's been using their products and really like it and there's, you know, you can, you can put together multiple of them. And I'm assuming they make sense. So, like, this is like the sleep bundle. Yeah, sleep bundle. They have like a brain bundle. So, they do, they have, yeah, they pair them together like that. So, speaking of bundles, so, you know, once a year, we do this huge sale, which is in the summer. We're doing it right now, right? So, everything is, every program is 40% off. Then we discount all of our bundles. A lot of our, which we never do. Never. We never do, because bundles are already discounted. Bundles are like, you know, two or more programs combined. And I'm getting messages from people who didn't even know that we had certain bundles. That's because we don't market or advertise. We never talk about it. No, we don't advertise them on the podcast. No, we have a starter bundle, which is great for people getting kind of started with resistance training or getting back into it. We have a, you know, we have a over 40 bundle, which is good for people who are over 40 in some of the things that they need with their training. There's an extreme fitness bundle, which is like hardcore athletic performance. We have a bikini bundle. We have a hard gainer bundle. This one I put together, and it's specifically designed for people who have a tough time building muscle. People who find that their bodies just don't respond. There's a lot of these. There's more than just that. Well, all of these, when you talk about these, these are all like programs that will last you six months plus. Because they're a minimum of two programs, some of them bigger, some of them have three or four programs in it. So, a lot of these bundles will last you, you know, almost an entire year on some of them. We get a lot of questions of like, which ones should you stack together, you know, towards your specific goal. And so, this is another way to kind of, you know, look through those and see which programs it's highlighting. And that's, you know, a good way to kind of run through that for those particular interests. I'm glad you brought that up too, because something that Sal did for Rachel, probably three or four months ago, and a lot of people don't know this either, is on the Saved Highlights. So, in the Instagram page, Mind Pump Media, there's Saved Highlight Stories of like all the different pathways that you might want to be taking. So, building muscle, losing body fat, beginnings to all that stuff. And Sal's put together like the ideal programs to follow, to follow those goals. Yeah, because depending on your goal, your experience, you know, you want to follow the most effective path for you. One of the most effective things you could do for your body in terms of fitness is individualize your program. That's why personal trainers, good personal trainers are so damn valuable. There's nothing that'll replace an amazing personal trainer, because the trainer can look just at you and individualize your workout based off of your body. So, you want to follow a plan that is more catered to you than one that is more general. And so, what we do with these programs is we bundle them based off of like, if you want to do the over 40 bundle, right? I think they call it the 40s bundle. That's specifically our programs put together for what we would see as trainers that we would often see with clients in that age group, you know, typically mobility issues and need to work on basic compound movement type stuff. And so, you know, we put all that. What's the code for the bundles, Doug? I think it was a summer bundle. Summer bundle, right? Summer bundle and summer program. For the programs. Yeah, because each program is individually 40% off. So, there you go. And I don't know how. Is this one going to the end of the month? To the end of the month. And that's it. Yeah, that's it. First question is from Seraphina Ross. Should I hire a personal trainer before I hire a nutritionist or does that not matter? I want to focus more on having the right nutrition for the way I'm exercising since I know less about nutrition. Oh, that's an interesting question. You know what, as I think about it, I think the best order, now this is going to be different from person to person. So, this may not apply to everybody that I'm talking to, but I think generally speaking, you want to start with your trainer before you start nutritionist and here's why. When I used to train clients, I wouldn't really get down to the nitty gritty with the nutrition until later because working out is easier than diet. Like, it's easy, it was easy for me to get someone to show up and train with me a couple days a week. It's really hard to work on nutrition. That's a very, that's such a much more complex. It's way more ingrained in your everyday process. And it's exactly, it's every day all day. And so typically what I would do with the average client is they would start working out with me and let's say we start working out twice a week and then they'd ask me, what about nutrition? What can I do with nutrition? Now in the early days, before I knew any better, I would give them everything. Oh, here's your meal plan, the switcher for breakfast, lunch, dinner, here's your calories, proteins, fats, carbs. Don't eat that, eat this. And it just failed because it was too much. Later on, what I did was people would ask me, you know, if I start training them, well, what about nutrition? And then I would make one small change. You know, I'd say, okay, let's look at your diet. And I'd say, okay, here's what I want you to do. How do you feel about adding one serving of vegetables a day? Let's just start with that. And it was just a, it's just a slower process for permanent change with nutrition than it is with exercise. That's interesting. This is an area where we're different than how we coach because I actually, and this didn't happen until later in my career, early on, I was just like you in that. And I think that a lot of that had to do with, I just wasn't confident in my nutrition knowledge to be able to really help someone. So I would just, you know, print off the meal plan, hand it to the type of deal. But later, as I got more experience, I realized how important the nutrition was into the results of this, this client would have. Like I knew if I programmed right and I trained them good, I could get anybody, if they, especially if they weren't training properly, to see some results. But I realized quickly that, boy, if I got them to dial their nutrition in with that, the results were unbelievable. And it's like I could show them a lot in a short amount of time if I was able to really dial nutrition. So I actually would get to, I got to a point where I wouldn't take you as a client until you had done your due diligence of tracking your food and stuff. So if you came to me and said, hey, I want to pay you to train me this and that. I'd say, okay, before we even train, I want you to do this, this and this. Like you need to start tracking. You need to do the, you need to look at all these things. You need to bring that to me. Then I'll start you off and we'll start training. And then I could, then I would do what you said, subtle things, right? So I would start to add things into their diet. But I would make, and what it did was, weeded out all the people that were too lazy to even do that. And I knew that if they were, they were too lazy to even track what they were doing. I'm not even telling you you had to eat a certain one. I'm just saying, track what you're doing. And then I knew they were going to be lazy about everything else I taught them if they couldn't do that. If you, before you spent any money on me, you couldn't, and you were about to invest in me. If you didn't take the time to track food for a week or two, to present that to me, then I knew that you weren't going to be a good client anyways. And I knew the things that I would try and teach you would be off. But to this person's question, I mean, this is what's kind of cool about, I mean, the work and effort that we've put into designing really good programs is I would hire a nutritionist and start a maps program. I mean, and then eventually if you want, hire a personal trainer to really dive even deeper into your programming and maybe customize it even more towards you. But I mean, we got the programming that we've put so much time and effort into. I think you could pair that with a great nutritionist and see phenomenal results right out the gate. That would be my suggestion. Yeah, I was a little more like, I totally agree and, you know, understand where you're coming from with that in terms of the priorities of understanding, like where you're at, especially the tracking part, so you can bring that information in and then we can have that to refer to. I think that's a huge part of it. So I would highlight that with my clients and like at least I want to know like your patterns. We wouldn't necessarily change anything right away. I would then at least be able to know, okay, this is probably what she's eating. This is probably what I'm working with right now, but I want to get her up and running and get these, you know, workouts established and the priorities for me was always around movement and function and alleviating pain, you know, while they wanted to get leaner and show off, you know, more of a lean tone physique. But I mean, that was like my typical client, but definitely like getting the workouts established and being able to address all those things was just something that is obviously, it could have been more of my wheelhouse because like nutrition came a bit later for me, but you know, something that I still to this day, I'll just slowly integrate nutrition advice and then you know, that way we can just work on one thing at a time because it is so ingrained in their everyday process. You know where this really started for me was with my family. So I remember getting so, and I'm sure you guys had this, like I used to get so frustrated. Well family is just the category of people that are just typically like, oh, I want to help and you really don't. Yeah, they exactly. And so this is, it feels good for them to say that. It started this way because of family. Like so it was, I didn't piece this together off of clients until I started to do it with family. And then I was like, oh, shit, I should really apply this to clients. And that was, you know, obviously you've been doing this as long as we have in your family starts coming to you like crazy that, you know, hey, would you help me with my diet or help me with my pro. And at the beginning, especially early on as a trainer, like I want to help all of them. And then you get kind of frustrated. You're like, you said, I sit down, I write everything all out for them. And then like they fucking do it for a week and then they're done or they half-ass it. And it used to be like, oh, that's great. I sat down for hours to try and help my family member out. And then they didn't really, they just wanted, they wanted the quick fixes just like everybody else does. Right. So I quickly learned that, you know what, I'm not going to tell my family, no, like that's a dick move to tell my family I won't help them. But I'm going to put more responsibility on them to show me and sell them on why it's important they do all that before I could can even help them. And so I began telling them, well, okay, I'll help you. What I need though from you first is you to do this, this and this. And I would give them like those things for them to go do and then to present to me. And then you know what ends up happening? 90% of them never come back with this thing to present to me because they weren't even ready to do that. Yeah. The way I look at it too is just the psychology behind it all. Like I know when the client shows up to train with me, I'm there. Like I'm there for the workout. I'm not there for your eating. I'm not always going to be there for your nutrition. And so for me, it's just, let's start with the easier stuff and then move and slowly tackle the more difficult stuff. And the easier stuff is to show up to work out with me twice a week. That's easy compared to nutrition, which can be very, very difficult. So that's just where I would start and then it would be a slow problem. And the conversation was here's all the stuff that you're going to have to do eventually, but don't worry, there's a process to get there. And we're going to work through that process. And it might take a while, but when we do get there, it's going to be permanent. I've also worked with nutritionists. And those are hit or miss. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, let's talk about that. Like so many with really, really old information that I'm just like appalled that they still teach in school. We're referring to like the food pyramid. Oh my God, I worked with nutritionists that took zero of the client's psychology into, they literally did what I used to do, which was make meal plans. And I couldn't believe that this was somebody that you would pay to hire who this was their specialty. I've also worked with nutritionists who were really good as long as they work with the trainer. I think that that's the best thing to do. But if you had to pick between a personal trainer and a nutritionist, and you're thinking I have limited resources, I can only hire one or the other, I think a good personal trainer is probably going to bring you more value than a good nutritionist initially. Not saying that you won't work with one later on, but initially start with the easier commitment, the smaller first step, which believe it or not, working out as a smaller first step than fixing your diet. Next question is from Healthy Mama, Happy Mama. What are your best tips for motivating clients to keep moving after the initial excitement of a new program? Prepare for this as a trainer. This will happen with every single client. You have to really get in the mindset. And I used to, the way I used to do work around this as an early trainer was to keep making it exciting. Every time they come in, it's going to be fun. Think about this. This is actually, I love this question because it allows us to dive into the concepts that we've built into maps. And this was discussed, right? And we get this sometimes from other high-level coaches or people that really understand programming. Why do you guys make phases only three to four weeks long? Because technically they could be doing that phase for six weeks and you're right. But we also factor in exactly what this question is alluding to. And we've learned that we want to hit the peak amount for adaptation. And we know in that three to six week mark is kind of the ideal place before you phase out of a phase. But we also know that the psychology part of clients get really bored really fast. And so if I can switch them to a new phase of different exercises, different rep ranges, different rest periods, if I can manipulate their programming as faster, it keeps them excited about doing something different. So they never really have to be doing the same thing for longer than about three or four weeks. That was factored into the idea of us when we came up with this. Right, now also think of the mindset around a motivated client and then one that's just normal, average or whatever. Motivated client is going to want to push harder. They're going to want to have better workouts. They're going to like to sweat. They're going to want to feel what the workout feels like and feel like, oh man, I hit PRs or wow, this is great. The normal client isn't necessarily going to have the same energy and gusto for that. But the normal client, what do they typically deal with? Pain, stress, maybe they're feeling fatigued. So that's the value that you provide to your client that tends to keep them doing this long term. Like, yes, getting them results and burning body fat and all that stuff is great. But if you can show a client that, let me put it this way. If you're a trainer and your client calls you and says, man, I'm really tired and my shoulders kind of hurt. I need to cancel my appointment with you. That means you're doing the wrong thing. You want your client to call you and say, hey, Justin, I know we're not scheduled today, but I'm really tired, my shoulder kind of hurts. Can I come see you? That's where you provide the long term value. That's how you keep them coming is by showing them all the value, not just the exciting motivation part. Well, this is like when we were talking about assessments and that it doesn't stop. Like I would literally assess every client, the moment they would come in and we would find out where they were for that day specifically, because it changes all the time. Their energy levels change. Like they have aches and pains like you're mentioning. You know, they might have extra stress from work or, you know, whatever. I want to know what I'm working with for that day. And I'm going to completely alter and tailor the workout to, you know, be something that's a little more of a better fit for that individual for that specific day. And so, but I have a definitely have a foundational plan that I'm trying to accomplish. And that's, you know, the big piece of like getting them towards their goal. But that was something that I was always checking and having them talk to me and give me feedback and seeing if what I'm trying to do with them applies and is a good, you know, method for that day. So I think a good trainer will start to kind of realize every day, you know, check-ins are important. And it's also about the conversation. It's about, you know, the entertainment. You got to be a personality. I mean, and this is why, you know, I don't think there's a lot of people that are meant to be trainers, but the ones that can have, you know, good conversations and be likeable and whatnot with their clients are going to have the best retention. Well, I really like what Sal's saying too about like, you know, the teaching them about other things too, because there's always something that a client, whether it be nutrition, aches and pains they're dealing with or just flat out programming. And one of the ways to keep them motivated is constantly be teaching them something else. So I, and that is another reason too, why I actually love to move clients in and out of different diets and give, and I would give them like, I would forecast, you know, hey, for the next two to three weeks, this is what we're going to focus on. You know, we're going to be doing these things. This is what we're looking for. This is what I want your feedback to tell me how you're feeling about this, what you notice. And then, you know, I'd transition the next thing. Having constantly forecasting as a trainer is something that will really help you keep your clients motivated versus the early trainer in me, you know, it just, I'd be, my workouts were planned, literally the morning of them coming in to see me and it was, I would change it day to day and I wouldn't really have this long-term plan. But if I have a plan and I can, and I can communicate that to them, it's a lot easier for them to stay focused because they know like, oh, I've got this for the next week or two. Stay focused on that, that my coach is going to change the plan for me. And so that's one of the ways to help keep them motivated than just like on the fly, changing up things. And if you're teaching them things about mobility and how to combat joint pain, that's cool. If you're teaching them nutrition stuff, different types of diets and benefits of eating certain way, fasting, all these, all these tools, these are all tools in your tool belt as a trainer. And using them constantly to help them, it'll build value in you, it'll keep them motivated because you're teaching them new things. And then it'll lead to like what Sal is saying, where, man, they really think of you as like their health expert. And yet anytime something feels off with them, everything from energy levels to achiness in their body to unmotivated, they're going to reach to you and come to you versus, oh, I'm not going to see my trainer today because I'm not feeling. Yeah, and sometimes as a trainer, the client will even tell you what they think they need, but you know it's something else. And you don't need to necessarily tell them that they're wrong, you just guide them. And I remember one story in particular, I had a client, Jennifer, who, she had young kids and a lot of, she was stressed out at work, where she shows up to the session, I could tell something was wrong because she just walked by me to go change or whatever, comes out of the locker room. And I'm like, hey, how's it going? How are you feeling? She's like, oh, terrible. You know, so my kid didn't sleep good last night and then work was really stressful and then because I was so stressed for lunch, I ate McDonald's and I had all this stuff and then I ate a bunch of cookies and she's like, I just want you to kick my ass. I need to get my ass kicked so I can just burn off these calories. That's what she said she wanted, but I knew what she needed was really to get rid of some stress and to take care of herself a little differently. So I said, no problem, we'll take care of you. So what did I do? I did some stretching with her, I had her do some belly breathing. We did some slow focused movement and the shift in her and the change in how she felt afterwards and the conversations were uplifting and we're empowering. And she left and she was totally different. She ended up becoming a very, very long-term client. Had I beat the crap out of her like she had asked me to, I don't think that would have worked nearly as well. I don't think she would have really felt the genuine value that fitness can provide because it would have been applied the wrong way. Next question is from Ryan W. Richards. What's your opinion on the sun's relationship to wellness? We are told to stay out of it, but there's increasing research showing the benefits of sunshine for our overall health. What are your thoughts on the validity of the competing research? Okay, so I'll tell you a story that'll illustrate the misinformation or I think miscommunication we've gotten in regards to the sun. So if you were to hook somebody up to a bunch of machinery that would test things like free radical production, inflammatory markers, stress hormones, like all the stuff that typically, if you see them rise, oh, this isn't a good thing. Working out would look bad. And yeah, you hook someone up and you train them. It would look very bad, especially if you train them too hard. If I take the wrong, if I take a person and I train them inappropriately and train them too hard, I guarantee we're gonna see, especially over time, damage to their heart. Joint health is gonna suffer. You might even see hormonal imbalances and lots of health issues. And so the headline could read, workouts cause lots of problems, don't do them. So this is what's happened with the sun. When you get a sunburn or you get sun damage, yeah, that's not good for you. But does that mean you shouldn't go out in the sun? No, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. We humans evolved just like everything else on earth, except for things that live at the bottom of the ocean, or in caves. With the sun, we literally need sunshine, not just for physiological benefits, but for psychological benefits. You know how many studies there are that show that if you're feeling down or anxious, if you just go out and get some sun, how that changes? Talk about what we did yesterday. I mean, this is a conversation off air that we have quite frankly. I mean, I think the one drawback of this new profession that we have, or relatively new, in the last five years, the biggest drawback that we all agree on is the lack of sun exposure that we get and outside. Just getting fresh air, getting the sun. We're locked in this little cave when we got fluorescent lights on us. We have no windows in it. And we could get stuck in here for hours on hours all day long. And you can feel the mood. Totally. You can feel our energy levels start to sink. That's why we actually, back in the days, we used to record sometimes three, three, four podcasts in a single day. And one of the reasons why we got away from doing that was because we could feel our energy and our mood change by episode two or three that we'd record because we were just stuck under these fluorescent lights. And I can tell an immediate difference when we just go out like we did yesterday. Everybody was kind of feeling lethargic, tired. We were in a bad mood. We were handling bullshit. And we all said, you know what? Let's just get up and go for a 20-minute walk outside in the sun. And we all did that and come back, completely re-energized. I guess when I was younger, I just didn't really pay attention to these things. I don't know if it's part of getting older and how much I depend on it now more, and it's more necessary than when I was younger or I was just oblivious to it or maybe I was just getting a lot more sun. But it's a big game changer for me today. I mean, I do. I do things we were just back when we were back up in Tahoe like a week or two ago. You know, I wasn't feeling good. Remember, I was really down. I was like really exhausted. And I went and laid out in the sun and just took everything off but a little pair of shorts on and just let the sun soak up the sun for a few hours because I feel like I've been neglecting it. So, and I feel immediate difference from doing that. So I think that, and I think it's, I think this is an area that's a reason why a company like, I think Juve is exploding and on the rise because you do get some of the benefits from the infrared like that, that you get from the sun. And I think so many people today, especially in the Silicon Valley, are under these fluorescent lights, enclosed buildings all day long. We weren't meant to be locked into rooms without sunlight. This is how we evolved. And there's an individual variance, of course. You know, if you're pale, too much sun is not that much for somebody who's dark and too much sun can cause sun damage. But you know what the side effect of telling everybody the sun's bad for you has happened? Cancer rates have gone up in some places because people are so afraid of the sun and they're constantly putting on sunscreens with these chemicals that are, you know, that mess with your, actually are almost hormone-like in the way that they can behave in the body. And you see skin cancer rates go down a little bit and all other cancer rates go up. You need sunlight. Yeah, and this is something I'm conscious of, obviously. I'm a ghost over here and my kids are ghosts. But at the same time, you know when you're gonna be in a more intense sun exposure kind of situation. And so there's actually a lot more tech, type of shirts that actually prevent you from getting too much UV that you can wear and you can go swimming. And it's a way better alternative than all these chemicals in greasy sun blocks that you're trying to put on constantly. So that's something that we'll use at while we're hats or whatever if we're in super intense sun exposure for too long. But for the most part, I'm trying to get as much sun as I can and then backing out and then coming in. And you just gotta kind of find your own tolerance to it. Well, I'm glad Sal brought up the individual variants because I mean, I think there's a lot to do with like epigenetics and stuff like that with this. And you take somebody like your family history that goes back to like the Mediterranean and stuff like that. You, I would think you need it even more than Justin. I do. I think I need it more than Justin. Darker skin people synthesize less vitamin D from sun exposure. We need more sun exposure to get the same effects as somebody who's light skin. So there's just like there's an individual variants for workouts or anything else. Yeah, we just covered this in an episode talking about that. This goes in this category right here. And this could like what we're talking about right now could be an absolute game changer for you. You could be somebody that has evolved to be someone who needs a lot more sun than your friend. You might have a Justin friend who doesn't need that much sun. You could only be so lucky. You know, and if you have a friend like that, he doesn't need but maybe 10, 15 minutes a day of that where I feel like I need at least like a half hour to an hour of like good sun exposure every day to feel really good. And I notice a huge difference when I'm going after it and when I'm not everybody needs a Casper. Next question is from one Koner. How do you deal with someone who is very harsh on themselves? My friend has an amazing physique, especially for a teenager, yet he is constantly comparing himself to others. Lots of times they don't even look as good as him, but he is still jealous and not happy with himself. Yeah, this is, you know, when you identify so strongly with your body, your net, this is where you're always going to be. You will never be out of... It's going to fall short constantly. You will never be happy when you identify strongly with your body. And it's, look, even if you, you can be fit, ripped, look perfect at some point, if you're lucky, you're going to get older and you're going to get old and your body's going to change. And if you identify so strongly with your body, that's going to be a very scary time for you. Being like all these celebrities. Yeah, with the plastic surgery after plastic surgery and hormones and they just, because they identified so much with how they look. You know, your body can definitely reflect your health. So it's also important to pay attention to that. But if you identify so strongly with your body that you just, you're unhappy all the time, there's no way out of that. You're always going to be unhappy. And this is, look, it's funny. How many times have you guys had a client or a friend where they're just so critical of their bodies? Oh my God, it looks so terrible. And you're at the beach and maybe someone takes a picture. And then 15 years later, old picture surface, and they're like, wow, man, look how fit I used to be. And you look at them and you go, do you remember what you used to say back then? Yeah. Used to think that you look terrible. Now you're looking back and you're wishing you could look like that again. It's all, it's all your own perception. So, you know, how can you help them? Well, the first thing I would say is take his focus off of the way he looks. The most effective, that's step one. The most effective way I've ever found this with a client is to change it from looks to performance. Not that you want to stay on performance because you've identified with that too much and you can have problems too, but it's an easier switch. So I'd say, okay, this person is, whether it's the girl who is never skinny enough or the guy who doesn't have enough muscle, I would say, okay, don't weigh yourself, don't look in the mirror. We're going to see how strong we can get you. And it would just shift their perspective just long enough to where then we can talk about this a little bit, but I'd have to move them to performance. It's real easy for a bunch of old guys like us to sit here and say this, but I'd tell you something right now. Like, man, you're a teenager, you're a ball of fucking insecurities. You know, and I was too. Like, and I don't know, I don't even know if, you know, old Adam could come back and talk to 17 year old Adam and say, hey bro, stop worrying about how skinny you are. You know, I don't know, because you, at that age, we all do, we all do at all ages, but at that age in particular, you are just loaded full of all these insecurities and you're trying to figure that out. It's tough to try, you to try and tell someone else. You can't do it head on because they won't believe you. I didn't, when I was a teenager, if someone told me, no, you look fine, man. I'd be like, you're just saying that because you're nice. This guy already is way nicer than I would have been at his age. Yeah. Oh, you mean on himself? Oh, yeah. If my friend was like all neurotic about that, I just would have probably made fun of him. Wow. And then he would have made fun of me. It was like this back and forth thing. So I don't know, man. You're already winning by caring about your friend. You're right, right. That's what I'm saying. Which would just exaggerate his insecurity even more, right? Yes. Exactly. Thanks, friend. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know, man. That was a hard thing for me that I actually had to now I realized I should probably be nicer to my friends. He's looking in the mirror and he's like, oh, man, I don't look good. I'm skinny. Yeah, you look like shit, bro. Yeah, you're right. He's like, I look like shit. And whatever. And Justin goes, hey, buddy, puts his arm around him. Hey, man, you got to look at the bright side. And he's like, well, what's that? Your face is a train wreck. And he's like, you know, you got good eyesight. Obviously, you tell. Your perception is accurate. Yeah. You got to look at the bright side. Right? You just got to shake him out of it. Yeah, that's a good point, though, Justin. I mean, you're already a good friend because you care, right? Yeah, I'm like, I'll give you shit. Yeah. You're already a better friend because I would have a bunch of so many insecurities myself that you would push. I know what would have helped me as a teenager. And there's no way you could have talked me out of it. But I think if you did it kind of sneakily by changing my foot, I swear to God, if I had, if I was training me as a teenager, I know exactly what I'd do. I wouldn't be like, you're not skinny. You're not whatever, never would have worked. I would have been like, hey, listen, let's worry about something else. Let's see how strong you could get. Just change the focus a little bit on performance, just long enough to where the person's not thinking so much about how they look, they're thinking more about how they perform. Then you might be able to start making some headway. But if you don't change that focus, nothing you could do. Doug, is sneakily another chafferism? I don't know. It might be real. Sneakily. It feels like a real word. Sneakily. I feel like all the ones I say are real words, too. We have a new Webster. Well, let's see if Doug just looked it up. Yeah, it's an adverb. Oh, good. That's almost a job. I thought I got you. You almost got electronical, dude. Roy, listen, we're only, what, 1200 episodes? You'll get me. Anyway, look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. If you want to watch the podcast, you can check us out on YouTube, Mind Pump Podcast, where you want to check us out. Also, if you want to learn more information about fitness, about fat burning and muscle building, and just improving your performance, go to mindpumpfree.com. We've got a ton of guides there that can help you out. And finally, if you want to find us on social media, you want to contact us individually, you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin on Instagram. You can find me at Mind Pump Sal, also on Instagram. And Adam, he's at Mind Pump Adam, also on Instagram.