 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is time to pay tribute to Layton Baines. Goodbye, Layton Baines! Layton Baines has decided to retire in his own special way, blow off for them another year, but he got to the last game of the season and bowed out quietly without much fanfare, without any fans in the stadium, without even three points. He carried on as Everton, always did, but he didn't win his debut or he didn't win on his final game. What a special way to look at it back in his career. But what a player, what an absolutely fantastic footballer to represent Everton Football Club. Yeah an incredible shining from Wigan, £6 million. He's been brilliant, he's been brilliant and could have moved a couple of times but didn't. I suppose the kind of sad thing about it is we never won a trophy in his career while he was at Everton, but he's been an absolutely outstanding footballer. Yeah I think certainly from the outside looking in, fans from other clubs or just football commentators or whatever, that they will always hold them second to Ashley Gull in the Premier League as the best left back and that comes down to the fact that he didn't win anything. He didn't play for a club, he could have, he could have gone to Manchester United but he didn't, obviously Everton, he'd ever pushed for a move because Everton didn't want to sell him. He could have gone to United Swipes and Bayern Munich. But he didn't, so he's always going to have this record of obviously individual stats are incredible, they're better than Ashley Gull's by a mile, but Ashley Gull's got all the trophies and that's the difference and you have to sometimes value that as the ambition side of things. That's why it's greater when you have players and you can come back and go but it's also sad when a player finishes his career and he hasn't got any trophies. Yes they have this incredible bond with the fans and they do have great numbers but they don't mean anything to people on the outside of the club, that's the thing. Now that's a him, he might be bothered, he might care one bit his career, he's fulfilled his career but it is sad that he couldn't win anything that Everton shared, that's the sad thing. Like all those players, like all the players who we all love and we did a video on Patreon and it was like, is Bayern's a legend? It's like, well, no cos he didn't win anything but is that his fault? Could he have gone somewhere else and won something? Okay he wouldn't be a legend anywhere else but does that mean he's not a legend at Everton? It's very hard, it's very hard. He is a legend at Everton. Because we went through, I was thinking it was me and you that did the Patreon video wasn't it with me and Andy but we went through his numbers, we went through his numbers and what he did and the fact that he couldn't move to United and he didn't. It's not like you say, it's not his fault that that team didn't win anything. He gave 13 years to Everton Football Club and was brilliant in every season, most seasons, absolutely brilliant. Play for England 40 times I think, 30. 30 was absolutely brilliant. I mean he was at the Whale Cove in 2010 he didn't go to because Capello thought he'd get home sick or was it the showroom stuff cos he went in 2014 to Brazil but remember he'd made a comment and then all of a sudden he was out of the squad and he was like, and it was a travesty a justice cos at that time he was incredible in England, Stephen, people liked that at length. Say that name to yourself. Stephen Warnock. He was just a fabulous footballer. He is an Everton legend. We said that again, it's like, I think I just said on the debate and things, Wolves called Steve Bull a legend, but Wolves never won nothing and other people are legends at their football clubs so why wouldn't Leighton Baines be, you know, turning down Manchester well not going to Manchester United when he could. So people measure legend by whatever they want and everyone, there isn't a hard fast tick box measurements of what is a legend but he is as close as you would probably get without actually having the trophies cos he was just brilliant for 420 odd appearances, 420 appearances. Just brilliant, so talented as a footballer though. Brilliant passer at the ball, you know. Represented himself brilliantly, his family. You don't hear anything about him, do you? He's got five kids or he's got four kids. He's got three, we don't know. I was going to say there's rumours he's got, there's not rumours. He either has or he has, but what I mean is, you don't know anything really about him. No, he's a pride. He was a brilliant professional, done his job really. Andy Hunter was a brilliant. He came into the club and he obviously came from Wigan and he'd done, again it was one of those buys at the time where he was clearly really really good for Wigan. A lot of teams looked at him, done well for the English free kick. Done well for the England 21s and it was like you can get him. It was like one of those things where if we'd missed out on it it would have been a travesty. We wanted to come here then. We got him and some of the best money anyone's ever paid for a player because he took his time to get into the club. I think he was, when he did time for it, I think he was a quiet, unassuming young man. He took his time. We had less got playing in there. Moise obviously wanted to get him indoctrinated into the club. But once he was there and you started to see the flashes, he's brilliant and then obviously you had P9 to the equation and that partnership. It just frustrates me so much that we never won anything and it frustrates me that other people don't understand how good he was, week in and week out and the chances he created and the assists he got and the goals he got and it is frustrating but I suppose that's just every club I'll have those players but he was the best in Europe for four or five years in a row every year and he grew into a, he grew. The longer you get the club he grew it more and more and took on more responsibility and penalties and free kicks and do you know what the only thing I would say? I don't know if this is a negative because this might be an overriding factor why he's so good but I think at times I think he was a little bit too laid back in terms of sailing in Martinis' period I would like to have seen him take more responsibility like letting the car who take the penalties off him. I wish he'd never done that. I wish he would have stood up and said no I'm the penalty taker but I think his nature very much was well if you want the responsibility you take it because I think if he takes the penalty against Westam and we end up winning 3-0, he takes the penalty at Wembley and makes it 1-1, little things like that but that just wasn't in his nature and that's fine, that's what makes him what he was. I love him to bits, I love him as a football I love his whole attitude to the game his attitude outside the game and as you say that thing with the World Cup in 2010 was a throwaway comment saying I'm a little bit homesick now again or I have it was nothing and then the pressure on Donnie and it was like, Stephen Warnoch, load of garbage absolute garbage footballer done nothing ever. The England are embarrassing in that World Cup. What made it worse was him and Ashley Cole were like neck and neck for like being the best left back but his stats were way better than Ashley Cole's way better in a poorer side and yet when it came to a World Cup it was like to me it was like who should be the start left back as Ashley Cole and yet he didn't go and it was just like do me a favour, that's England all over, absolute nonsense but you know what played so many games it wasn't really till I think the end of 2012 that he really got a serious injury I think after he played the semi-failer Wembley I don't think he played again after that I think he was out for a while and it stretched to the beginning it stretched to the beginning but when Martinis came though you forget how important he was when Martinis came that first season them two getting forward becoming what we see in football and all those modern fullbacks who are the wit they were that they shaped the way fullbacks are used in the Premier League it changed the way people thought about him and Cole and then obviously it evolved nowadays when you've got Trent Alexander-Arnold and Robertson for them shitty about Kyle Walker and great left backs attacking fullbacks and other teams won it but it was Baines faced them foremost and then Coleman as well wonderful footballer let's just have a look at his numbers appearances 420 goals scored 39 penalties 25 crosses in Premier League 2331 only two people a bit more assists 67 and actually the assists don't really do it justly because it's not assists it's chances created and he was always top of the shot well his penalties he scored 25 out of 28 penalties from 89% accuracy from the penalty spot which was incredible 67 assists the amount of chances he created that should have been into triple figures really because he was just unbelievable do you think towards his 20s end of his 20s when Marnes obviously came out and said he thought that he could move him into centre of the field you know he said he seemed similarities with him in the Phillip Lam do you think that could have extended his career as a first team player in terms of like at the highest level don't get me wrong listen look at Dean's coming for the last couple of years at Everton and took the spot off and which was right but we'd seen like maybe the year before that he was starting to slow down and not beat the play do you think that he'd been moved into centre of the field at 28-29 got a few opportunities in Everton and brought the left back in then that he could have just stayed at the highest level for a little bit longer or do you think the game had moved on in midfield I don't necessarily think it's moved on because he's such a clever footballer with the great passion lines that I think he probably could have played centre mid this season he'd have had to sit cos he obviously can't get up and down but then Phillip Lam was like that for them but I don't know because he was still performing at the highest level up until about two years ago before Dean coming he was still it wasn't as good when he didn't get up and down as frequently still great going forward we've seen a cameo even this season Leicester, the Romans brilliant Manchester United they come on the old Trafford after 20 minutes when Dean was injured and was brilliant you know end up playing three games in a week you know played against Arsenal as well so he didn't let anyone down at all but was there an opportunity to push him inside yes particularly around the time that the manager was talking about and then obviously changed my card he got that injury and then we struggled Gareth Barry proved if you can read the game and you're a good pass you can play Gareth Barry just left West Brom 41 years of age or something years or whatever so Leighton Baines maybe could there still be in an evidence midfield I think that might have reinvigorated them if he'd moved in he played once didn't he against Newcastle he got B32 I think he was one game and for the manager to build that up and I know we had Gareth Barry I just think that there could have been opportunities for all those positions where I said Gareth Barry wasn't available or the manager thought he needed the rest and he could have moved him in there and then brought a left back in where there would have been Luke Gabbits at the time or he would have gone and got someone else I think that would have really helped the team just changed it up a little bit something different and I think actually I think the fact that he was a good player he deserved to be a little bit more get a little bit more out of his game to show like his passing you know his passing was fantastic his range was passing the shape on the passing was fantastic the way he'd wakin into space and then keep going then get it back he had I just don't think personally in the latter years his talent could be shown enough because left back because the positions change so much and because you are up and down I don't think he's still had that in his legs but oddly I think he could have done it in my field if he'd sat and been well particularly the way I haven't played for so long which was with three my field players then he's still fit enough to get up and support around the edge of the box and he's got a great shot on him and let's be honest he wouldn't be any slower than any of our other my fielders probably now so I feel like that's a little thing that could have happened but I'd say with that there was was there an appetite for him to do that though did he want to? did he feel like he could do that he might not have felt like he could do it you don't know we're just talking about it as fans going well that was mentioned and it was never really explored but he was such a good footballer it wouldn't have surprised me if he could have easily gone in there and been our best player in the middle of the park but the children fell off land went into centre of my field when he went out of the barn in the wing because he was such a good intelligent footballer and his position is created in that position be honest running up and down exactly pitch all day long at that pitch for 90 minutes at the intensity it's a young man's game it's sad of it as well especially when you play a fullback and you are playing that role amery needless not needless runs because they are needed but amery runs you make when you never get the ball playing fullback you make that run all day whereas when you're out of centre of my field I think you're going to see a lot more of the ball your energy is expended a lot more evenly over the game you don't have to make if you're the one who holds you don't have to make that run you've got to charge on 50 yards down the pitch and not get a ball because you're leaving a gap you used to just sit in front and then just... I'll use the word mosey you used to mosey down the pitch that's a great use you used to mosey down the pitch when he was needed and you used to see him on the edge of the box all the way very clever and then get us going and I just think that's something he could have done I just think his legs he's gone on his own terms but who's just to say that he wouldn't have got another two years out of his career playing whether that means playing in the team or whether that's extending for another two years because he felt like he could we don't know the answer to this we're speculating but I just think that's a great view and I'd love to see him play sense my field I'd have played him in this lockdown period because the others have not pulled up any trees so he's a wonderful footballer he's a pleasure to watch I normally love slikers and wire players they're like the things that get me off because I'm not defenders I appreciate them but for him I absolutely love that I love Llych-a-Din as well because I think there's such a talent of footballer for him one of the best players I've ever seen play for Evan and I've seen us win leagues and cups and stuff he's the best left back I've ever had no people argue with Ray Wilson we never got to see him my dad says Ray Wilson's incredible but he does say he is and the other thing about him if you're a footballer and your initials match the position you play in it makes it really easy I think that's literally being one of the things that has been underrated and underplayed by everybody it's that he's just played where his initials told him makes it really really easy this and he's a legend as an Everton footballer I love him to bits when he run away from us in Switzerland it wasn't great but made them get a picture I think that the thing with him is he's such a lovely fella he's done loads for Evan in the community you'll see him around time with his camera having a coffee he's just down to earth fella like I said Andy Hunter though it's a brilliant thing everything's downplayed everything's understated with him he walked off the pitch at the weekend stopped ten and had a look at it and jogged down the tunnel and that was it wasn't it done and dusted I even seen the video that Everton put out didn't he? I think because Liverpool upset the bar what I would say is I think Everton had a camera on him and he obviously had a new or was speculating it once he was coming on and there was a camera on him and he noticed it when he was warming up and he looked quite maybe I don't know if the words embarrassed but he it was his last game and even then he was a bit like I don't really want this so fair played him because he just he'll go away now and I don't know what he'll do I think he'll stay up all night for a couple of years whether he gets the bug to come back into football after him of course he's because he's a fantastic ambassador whether it's off the pitch or on the pitch I've got absolutely zero to back this up but he seems to me like someone who's a thinker and I wonder whether I don't know whether coaching is the right area for him or there's a I don't know because I don't know but you know when you just when we've both watched that documentary and the amount of people they have ex-players in these roles at the club that I am coaching roles he strikes me as that kind of person but he doesn't need to do it the point about he's got he's still a very young man and he can go and do it every once now and live his life and have a great life with his legs at the bottom absolutely fantastic so there you go let us know your thoughts share your memories of Leighton Baines absolutely amazing football the only thing we can say at least is two things you went out and we still love him it's not always the way and number two we do actually have someone who's brilliant in his position which makes it a lot easier to say goodbye to and we haven't always had that as well so there are two plus points so let us know your thoughts on Leighton Baines give us some of your memories he's going to be missed massively give this video a like, subscribe if you haven't already and if you want more great videos join us on Patreon the link is in the description, see you later