 All right at 533 I am going to call the board of finance to order you may have noticed our usual chair the mayor is zooming in he is under the weather so asked if I would be the chair since it's a slightly less awkward to do it in person and have him zoom in yet. So we'll see how I do I'm sure he'll correct me as we also have counselor hi tower joining remotely our newest member of the board of finance counselor McGee warm welcome. Unfortunately counselor Jen cannot make it to work finance so I believe we are all here. The first item on the agenda is a motion on the agenda is a motion to adopt the agenda. Thank you. Any comments. All those in favor please say aye. And the motion passes unanimously. The second item is public forum. Is there anybody in the public wishing to speak if you are on zoom you may use the raise can't function. Seeing no one. We will move on to the consent agenda. And there's also no one as well. Excellent. Thank you. Is there a motion on the consent agenda. I would need to adopt the agenda and take the actions. Great. Is there a second. I'll second. I don't know if you, I don't know if it's a technicality given the fact that we're adopting the minutes. I'm not sure if you want myself and perhaps counselor hi tower or the mayor to make that. Yes. Why don't we do that. You can make the next. I'll make the motion to adopt the agenda. Great. Is there a second. Second. Any questions or comments. All those in favor please say aye. Thank you. The next item is item 4. This is a CT item creation of three clerk treasurer positions. And moving one position from part time to full time. I will give a quick. We're looking for items to get through. As you probably saw in the packet. We're looking to create three different positions. The first is a retirement administrator. Is at the recommendation of the retirement. It's very similar to a position that we used to have. We thought we might not need. We're looking for items to get through. We're looking for items to get through. Each term that we do. This will be paid for by the retirement funds. The grants account position is one that we've talked about several times in this venue. It's one that has been recommended by the auditor. It will be paid for out of ARCA in the first year and then out of. ARCA in the second year and then out of ARCA in the fourth. In future years. And then the third position is. An operations director position. And this is. Also somewhat similar to past positions in the CT office. And this is to have someone. Of a higher level. And then the third position is. An important leadership under customer service. Land records records management. And this came out of a study that we had done. By an organization called CLA. And this was their recommendation. And the CT group. Strongly endorses it. And so we have a lot of people. Leaving at a high position when they retire. And we're recruiting in people. A lower grade or step. We're able to make this. Proposal without raising our structural budget. The last piece of this puzzle is we have an accounting assistant. Currently working 32 hours a week. And this is one of the things that's been very important to us as we've seen in our community. That can also be. Absorbed within our budget. And I'm happy to answer any questions. Or if you're ready for a motion, We could take that as well. I'm happy to. I'm happy to move to prove and recommend that the city council also approve the forward changes as listed on board docs. Great. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those. And the motion carries unanimously. The next item is the records management system purchase. And we have chief block here. You want to give us a overview? Absolutely. So we have used the same records management system since the early to late 90s, like late 1990s. And that system has, we've been notified by the vendor. There's no longer going to be supported in their phasing it out. And they had automatically shipped you to their new product, costing at the low 20,000 annually, given that we used to spend about 7,500, but the system really wasn't kept up to date. Long story short, we put out an RFP. Our employees looked a demo of several different products. This is the records management system. We believe will take us into the future. So we've got a lot of work to do. We've got everything from documenting our instance to tracking our inventory to the work of the fire, Marshall's office doing inspections. This has been coordinated with the IT department. So Scott is supportive of this purchase. And it does change away from. The way they used to do. And then the other thing that we did, we worked with the IRS, which was kind of somewhat flat. They've more moved like the Microsoft model that you may be used to at home where they're billing you annually for a subscription. This is a cloud based software system. So it meets our need from everything from patient care reporting to inventory tracking, farm marshals office, and then our daily call volume. So that's what this is. And it's a setting up. You know, it's a long term known of the price as well as some other incentives that Scott was putting us onto, but we are, so this is somewhat time sensitive. The old program shuts down December 31st. And as you can imagine implementing something like this is going to take some time. So we hope to buy moving quickly. Are we ready for emotion? Definitely. So I'm trying to make the motion. I'll make the motion. It's recommended for ducks and kudos to you. I guess for keeping it. It's probably about 25 years old. Certainly more than time to move on. It's painful, but. Change is always painful transition is painful. But. I'm doing. Yes. That's more painful than we've stuck with this for so long. second. Any questions? All those in favor, please say aye. And the motion carries unanimously. And the next item is the ambulance fee increase. So as you may or may not be aware, we bill patients for animals transports and so we transport on last year a little over 3,500 patients generates about 1.6 million in revenue. About 86% of our patients are Medicare Medicaid. So that means there's a fixed amount which the government reimburses us for anything above for that. We have to write off as part of the budget process for FY23, the fire department was asked to look at a way of either reducing our expenses for generating about 335,000 more in revenue in order to offset some of the without having the tax increases. We're comfortable between updating our projections and this modest increase in our rates that this will generate about an additional 90,000, but in its totality will allow us to achieve our $335,000 target without making any operational reductions. We're about 98% fixed costs between personnel, benefits and power, water, all those other bills that we so any reduction for us really means we have to move people where we're a people centered department. So we believe that this is a good way to achieve our benchmark without having to make service reduction. It impacts a small portion of our transports about 13%. You should understand that we don't do aggressive collections. In fact, we send you a bill twice. If you don't pay it, you never hear from us again. And so it really is, but we do not harass people. If you and we have a waiver process so people can request they use it once a month, someone will submit. I can't afford to pay the bill. We automatically say if it's always you, you go through and submit us the stuff we we wait here bill. So we don't. So a long way of saying this generates, I think is a win-win for everybody still fits within what our billing provider would say is the acceptable range for an annual service. Long way of saying we need this in order to prevent staff cuts. Are we ready for a motion or any questions? Yes, yes. Councillor Burtman has some questions. Can I ask them? I'm not on the board. It's just a little unusual, but I'm going to allow it. Councillor Burtman. Well, this will this will maybe avoid us asking questions at the full council. Exactly. So how time sensitive is this to you? So I understand that we lag. If we transfer you today, usually you're not getting a bill for about a month. And then the time we get the revenue in. So our time sensitivity is that our budget projection for FY23 is based upon us retrieving that revenue starting in July. So in order to start that window, we need to be able to start this within the next 30 days. If we were to make this decision on the 25th, would that be? Would not, would not change at the end of that. Because the questions I have relate to getting information. Having read your your memo, I'm curious about the charges that are being made or you know the charges for all the neighbouring towns. You mentioned a few of them, but it would be helpful, I think, for people to understand where we sit in relationship to our neighbours. Have that. I have it on my phone, but unfortunately, I don't email it to you right now. Yeah, you know, so I will just say this the different enough to just so you understand, right, there is a service. There's a lot of things that go into a cost for the service, whether as you are well aware, whether it's a full paid service. Although we do not base our cost matrix off what our call we would lose money on every run or just for the cost of the call would be with billing provider would say is customarily high. Okay, I mean, I have a number of questions and I am inclined actually to hope that this could maybe get pushed back even if at the council level not here that would be that would be fine and I don't know I'm not trying to monopolize anybody's time, but there are a few more detailed questions which I'm sure are readily available but not immediately. No, not I mean, just for my speaking for myself, I mean, we did, I was asked if this could be a concrete item and seeing that it didn't appear that there would be a reason not to, but it is certainly the purview of any counselor to take that off the consensus agenda and put it on deliberative. Just for the purposes of making for us with our meeting, we will when we go to the consensus agenda will simply I will let Lori know that that's removed and we'll discuss that on the 25th. No problem. That would be great. And if that happens, I can give you my questions offline and everything can keep moving. Okay. I don't suspect that there will be a problem that I'll have on the 25th, but I do feel an obligation to do some diligence here. That's what you're here for. That's what they said. So in the meantime, yes, mayor. So I just want to confirm chief, it sounds like you're confirming that if this was done on the 25th, that would not create your problem. Is that can we hear you correctly? That is correct. I really need to have it in place by May 15th or so. I think in order to hit our window of where we're we're expecting to receive the remnants. Okay. All right. So it sounds like that's fine for this time. I would just you know, surely it's great you're here, counselor Bergman at the board of finance. We like having counselors come to the board of finance discussions and it's always appropriate to engage in these discussions that you're always invited in. It is helpful if we get, if there are going to be questions at the board of finance that are not going to be immediately answerable. It's ideal if it's optimal if you're able to communicate those ahead of time so we can work to get them addressed and be able to take action at the board of finance because often it is a delay does have some kind of material impact. So I understand there getting this on Friday and the first week after being sworn in creates some some logistical difficulties. I'm sure you'd appreciate it. That's right. Although that is the schedule. We typically these board of finance items, like the whole system depends on us putting them out on Friday and then being able to take action on Monday. So it does put burdens on us all to keep that for sure. But sounds like tonight. This is not a problem to delay it. So we will Thanks. Yeah. And actually, I was also going to comment on this. I had a few counselors who had questions on this, including myself. And yeah, I think just because the proposed increase is so significant, averaging anywhere from 15 to 22%, which even over a three-year time period seems high. And then, you know, one of the things we're comparing to UVM rescue, which by my understanding, UVM generally, and I don't know how that compares to their rescue, but has unusually high rates. So I think this was something I would have flagged as well this time, just because we are doing such a big jump. And I think I would want to see more of both how we compare to other folks and what we expect the impact of this to be on other people, especially that self-pay. But I know it's only 3% of the total, but what that means for those folks. So I also had some questions that I'd love follow up on, and I didn't. And there is just a clarification. There is no tie between UVM rescue and UVM the hospital. So UVM rescue is a completely volunteer student-run ambulance service with that expense or their revenue going back into, it's a student club. So there is no tie between the two. Got it. Thank you. That's a good clarification for me. How would the board like to move forward on this item this evening? Catherine, I think we should, we should, we should, we should we should cable the discussion until the 25th, and there will be It's actually postponing. You are postponing. Thank you. For both the board and then I don't handle the city council. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Item 4.04. A significant yet budget neutral amendment for the airport. Director Longo is making his way up here. I'd like to give us a very brief overview. Yeah, absolutely. I'll start and then you can go into details, Marie. So it is a significant budget amendment and typically this time of year you might see one or a few budget amendments as we realize some of our actual expenses and in this case increases in revenues. One item I will call out, which is the largest item in this particular expense amendment, is our runway de-icing material. That's more than half of this entire budget amendment. The team has worked incredibly hard to maintain an open runway environment, which requires this specific material to be supported out on the runway system. In fact, this year we not only used a solid type of material, very similar to assault, but less corrosive. We also used a new formula, which is a liquid material, same type of material. And that is what you see as just over under 80 cents a dollar, which is part of this expenditure increase. We've had incredibly long and challenging ICE events on that runway, hence those additional material costs. The good news here is, along with those other relatively smaller expense increases, the good news is our rental car concession revenue is incredibly high this year. So we're able to create this budget neutral amendment both on an increase in an expense and an increase on the additional revenue that we've seen realizing all of those particular items. That is good news. Would anyone like to make a motion? Councillor Hi-Tower, would you like to make a motion? That was an old hand, but I'm happy to. You've got to be careful with those old hands. I'll move to approve and recommend that the City Council approve the budget neutral amendment as listed on Board Ducks. Thank you. Is there a second? Great. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? And the motion carries unanimously. The next item is execution of a lease with Vermont Flight Academy also with the airport. Perfect. So I'm very happy. Shelby and I are very happy to bring you this first lease agreement with our valley tenants. If you remember a few months ago, we had some of our tenants in this room as well as at the City Council meeting concerned over their future in that particular geographic area at the airport. Vermont Flight Academy is an incredibly important tenant of ours, not only providing that educational component, but also a part 141 school, which is a much increased structured school for our future pilots in the aviation system. In fact, I went to one of those part 41 schools. I am incredibly to announce with with partnership from Tom de Urso, who I don't see on tonight, but I did invite here tonight. Tom de Urso is the Executive Director for the Vermont Flight Academy. We've worked over the last few months to work on this particular lease to secure their lease premises for the next five years in the same location. As I presented a few months ago, there is and are no immediate changes to that valley area. And in fact, this is the first of a few leases coming to this board as well as the City Council over the coming weeks into May. The Vermont Flight Academy, this essentially is a status quo lease. It's a brand new lease within the City of Burlington, because we're actually signed this lease through Heritage Aviation. So now this is officially a City of Burlington lease agreement with the Vermont Flight Academy. Great. How's the quality? So congratulations. Now, this is great. I'm sure that if this were a challenging issue, the people from the Vermont Flight Academy this evening, the fact that they're not, is a sign that you found agreement, which is wonderful. So with that said, I'm happy to make the motion as referenced on board talks. Is there a second? Great. Any further discussion? I just have a question, which is just to and I apologize. I've not been following the issue with the leases at the airport so closely, but just making sure. So, Nick, just asking you, I guess, this is, this is just, I guess, to what extent is this continuing what we currently have and are any of the other tenants upset about this lease or anything along those lines, as far as you know? As far as I know, the other tenants are very amenable to this lease because it does provide that ecosystem, particularly in the valley area that they enjoy and they also use as a pipeline for their educational components of their particular businesses. This is, like I said, this is in the existing hangar that they currently operate from and will continue for that five-year period. The other tenants such as the hangar condo associates, aerodyne, Mansfield heliflight are also undergoing direct negotiations with our city attorney's office and myself to secure and bring forth before you their leases as well for their same locations in that area of the airport as well. So, this is an incredibly successful, I would say, lease agreement with VFA but also sets us up for additional lease agreements with those other tenants as well. Great. Thanks for going a little bit more into that background. That's it for me. Of course. All right. We have a first and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Carries unanimously. Thank you. It's time for everyone's favorite part of finance, the DPW portion. Many agenda items long and we're going to start with the FIC amendment to the agreement between the University of Vermont and the city regarding the city's 10-year crapable plan. Yep. So, where are we along with DPW? If I can start, we also have UBM representation here of Lisa Kingsbury and UTV's list to have a crazier so that they can provide some updates we got earlier today as well. If it's friendly, we'll speak to action with two items for University Place kind of at the same time to get the introduction done. So, we're here tonight to amend our agreement with UBM to afford the opportunity to complete University Place, which is the next contract on the agenda. When we were before the council about this time last year, we had adjusted our agreement to put some maximum limiting amounts going in to and through the design. And since that point in time, we've also added in some water resources work. There are natural cost increases that have happened substantially over the last year, but also it's happening week by week. So, we are looking to amend our agreement to afford what we have as bid prices for University Place, which is the next item that speaks to both the contractor cost, our resident engineering cost, our electric department to install decorative lighting on the street. We'll have a communication, I believe at your next meeting that will speak to the underground findings of an underground and curing committee that happened to ensure that utilities on the street do stay underground from this point to the future. So, keep it simple, I'll leave it there and let you guys ask questions. Yes, Councillor Hightower. And I'm sorry just because there was movement I didn't actually catch everything that you just said so it's possible that you address this. I guess from my reading of it the cost went I think from is it was it like $1.2 million to like almost three times that. And I didn't get a sense of how much that is just because what we had planned was that much more expensive or how much to what extent the plans changed. So, since we went in front of the two and the council the last time to the concept, the concept has not changed or downgraded at all. The estimates at the time were a 25% level of effort and so there's a lot of variability when you provide a total budget at that phase. So there's some natural errors that happen within that amount of the number. A lot of it is material cost increases from this time last year to this time now. And then yeah just some other more specific or more specifics on how to complete the work. The water resources portion is also a significant amount originally we were going to run out of separate contract outside of doing the street reconstruction work. And as we worked with the item with UVM we just saw efficiencies and kind of combining it keeping it together. Okay, so sorry if I can just reiterate what I just heard about a few. So the concept didn't change but it does include kind of the water resources piece that previously it did not. So that's a chunk of the cost. And I guess just to understand and maybe I also have a broader question which I don't know if you can answer but like I guess what portion of it is like kind of the adding of the water resources piece and what portion is the adding of the materials and then I guess how worried are we about if it because I mean it's such so much more than we had anticipated. Like are we worried that everything that we budget it is now going to be twice as much and how many projects do we have in the pipeline that are going to be affected in the same way. We are certainly feeling that with our good prices this spring one of your other agenda items that Philip and Cori will speak to for paving will reflect that and we will also have an item that your next meeting to speak to sidewalks well that one wasn't as large of an increase of an item it is being held to cross the board not just within the city of Burlington but also statewide and the big prices that are coming in. Yeah and federally as well so there is there is a good portion of that in their materials like cement that goes into concrete is being limited to the suppliers so SDR Island who is a concrete company won't be able to get enough product probably to complete all the projects they had hoped to complete this season it relates to materials just stone mining stone trucking stone crushing stone all have 25 to 30 percent cost increases on their item it's it's a hard time to do construction work right now. Some costs rise in a matter of days not even weeks or months days. And then sorry just to go back to my original question how much of this is adding the water resources piece and how much is it like double is the materials cost and then the whatever additional 80 percent or whatever it is increases water resources do you have a sense of that. It's an additional 273 past dollars it's important to note that that's funding is through ARPA so in particular can you talk to that I don't know. Yes so that that 273 is from ARPA that's the smaller portion a lot of the cost increases driven by these escalators and the inflationary pressures and on top of every project that our team has mentioned the Champaign Parkway which is also being presented tonight is is experiencing the same cost pressures. Okay. Thank you. Other questions are we ready for a motion. I would move to take the action. Is there a second any further discussion. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed and that passes unanimously and I think we could go right into 4.07 since we just talked about that basically concurrently is there a motion on that one. I can quickly add UVM had provided a notification today that their board had also supported the item that we just talked about which then also supports the contract. I would move to take the action. Thank you. Is there a second. Any further discussion. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed and that passes unanimously. Right. C.D.P.W. Let's talk street reconstruction. I'm going anywhere. So we're here for the color recordings here or you want to speak to this. Yeah. So we're here for the CY-22 street reconstruction contract award. We are looking to award a contract to S.D. Ireland for this work. They have done the work previously in previous years and we are bitter for the season as well. As you all know we last year were decided not to award the construction contract due to pricing with the hopes of being able to do a more robust street reconstruction program this season. Fortunately with the pricing as Laura had indicated earlier we are seeing that as well within the paving contract. So we are still looking to get a good amount done however not as much as we had hoped to do this season. With that I'd say I'll kind of just leave it open for our additional questions regarding the contract for the work of the season. Any questions or are we ready for a motion? Of the six miles of paving that we're participating in this season how much are these contracts? So within this contract that we have two miles we also additionally have going through other programs in the city with the SRF water contract. There's additional mileage work going in there. I believe Philip do you have that number? They're going to be paving to the glass road. So basically from Wuduski down Riverside to Willard to Main Street and then to the City of Mist which is so that all in all it'll add up to six miles. We ready for a motion? I'll move to approve and recommend that the city council authorize the CA or the designee as listed on board talks. Great is there a second? Is it a full all in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? And the motion carries unanimously. And lastly to eat from you. Requesting city council endorsement and support for a raised grant application for the redevelopment of the Wuduski River Bridge. I'll kick it off and then turn it over to city engineer Baldwin. We're constantly struggling with having more need in the city than we financially have the resource to handle ourselves. So we are always looking for other funding. I'm pleased to report that because we work so well with our partners that we had a very positive couple of months of coordination that's led us here today for an opportunity I think we're positioned very well. Obviously you never know with grant applications but this could be a really exciting partnership with our sister community and be trying so. So did you involve this? So I would begin by saying that this is not the first time this issue has been discussed in terms of the Wuduski River Bridge. There has been considerable amount of effort both on Wuduski Park, CCRC and the city to examine what options would be appropriate to upgrade or replace this bridge and so I think City of Wuduski is in your memo that frames the alternatives and what this will really produce for both the city of Wuduski and the city of Wellington. As it exists the bridge does not have adequate life in industry or cycling facilities and this will be a big step forward in terms of connecting the two communities and connecting those modes to communities which is as you know there's a considerable amount of employment opportunities where people travel between two communities and this would open that new opportunity. One thing that we've been doing lately is working with the CCRC, VTrans, City of Wuduski along with a consultant from Carl Johnson who's been assembling this raise application and as you would note that this raise application has a limit of $25 million. There is an estimate for this project of $31 million so there's a gap of $6 million. We've discussed some alternatives being a bridge grant with VTrans and a normal split on that would be $80 million, $10 million. We would be likely sharing 5% of that at 10%. The state has suggested that this $26 million could be 100% depending on if it's deemed to be an accident prone section of a bridge but more likely they'll probably push it to the normal 80, 10, 10 split so we may still have a little more than a differential of $6 million with a 5% split and maybe 5% on the 0.6 million as well. So it's unsettled as yet but without question we have a project here that is going to be funded by others. It's going to be a great value. There's something to probably be outside our financial reach so I would strongly recommend the Board of Finance support this request. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to make the motion. This is really exciting. It's not the end of the journey. It's midway, I guess. But yes, I'm happy to make the motion as recommended by the Board of Finance. Excellent. Is there a second? And further discussion. All those at the top, say hi. Hi. Any of those? And the motion carries unanimously. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Lots of the outcome. Team Tark's wrecking waterfront with one line on the item box. It's a really cool item. So, Sophie will be the video's question. Sophie is joining us. Would you like to give a 30-second overview, Sophie, if you're a really cool item? Thanks. I hope you can hear me okay. So this is the first ask that we're bringing to you about the University Accessible Playground. We're asking to contract with the resident engineer to have his team review the contract documents that we're hoping to bid out soon for the playground. And we will be coming back, obviously, to contract with a construction company to build it, but also to ask for the acceptance of the subaward for the grant that we were told we won or succeeded in securing last year. But we're still waiting on the subaward agreement. But thankfully, we have some penny for parks funds set aside so that we can at least keep the project moving in the right direction. And hopefully we'll have some good news on the subaward soon. And see you again here again. And Sophie, is the board ready to make a motion or are there any questions? Excellent. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, President Paul. Any further questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? And the motion here is yours. Thank you. And you might not need to bring the airport pack up. I am 5.02. Are we ready to make a motion on money for 9,000 square feet of carpet replacement at the airport? Because anyone who's flown out of the airport knows that we need it. Are we ready for a motion or... I mean, we can bring some back up. No one's flown out of the airport. I have, but I actually didn't notice the... I'm sorry. I can barely tell you what color it is. Okay, sorry, Nick. I wasn't sure what you were talking about. Well, it's going to be you, Sophie. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to draw people's attention to it. I'll make that change. Thank you, President Paul. Is there a second? Thank you, Councillor Pepe. Any questions or discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion here is unanimously. We're looking forward to the new carpet. And the last item on the agenda is one that everyone's super excited about, I'm sure. It's the budget process. I just draw your attention to it to say, please mark your calendars for special nights in May. Everyone knows I like to call them the marvelous nights of May. May 11th, 16th, 18th, and 19th will be our department head budget presentations. And then we are going to schedule one additional board of finance meeting because who wouldn't love to spend a lovely early June Monday in here again. So June 13th will be one extra board of finance meeting. We don't have a city council night meeting on that night. Other than that, everything that is on this schedule are things you basically already know about. Are there questions on the calendar? Should probably look pretty familiar to those of you who participated last year. Question. Yeah. Yeah, because I didn't participate, I think until maybe, maybe Brian was still in this seat last year, which is just on the departmental budget presentations. How far in advance are we going to have those before the day, just in terms of our ability to look over it and ask questions? Do you expect? That is a great question. And is always something that is difficult for me and the department heads to totally put together. Many days in advance, but I will be honest with you that it will be rolling. You'll have the ones for Wednesday the 11th by that weekend before, but you might not have the ones for the 16th until like the Thursday before because I'm going to be, will be sort of delivering them to you as they're getting closer. Does that make sense? Like they will all be ready on May 9th. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. We could certainly make sure, you know, I will also make sure that it's not like on May 15th at 8pm people turn in their budgets. You know, I think we need to, and I believe last year we came up with it was two business days or two days ahead, you know, so that counselors had time to review. So I'm imagining putting something like that in place. Do you feel like that would work? Yeah. And I think yes. And one thing that I think would help me a lot in reviewing is if we can make sure to have maybe like to make sure to have, I don't know if I want actually budgets or actuals from both like pre COVID and the beer before just so we've got some good comparison points of comparison. Okay. Yep. That's helpful. Any other questions or comments as we gear up for the budget? Yeah. Thank you. I would just have one and that is, you know, not that it, not that it matters. But the, you know, unfortunately, I feel badly the due to a college graduation, I will not be in town on either Wednesday or Thursday, the 18th or 19th May. I'll try to participate, we assume that I'm not sure that I'll be able to. And I know that it's always a stressful time. You know, the what'll happen is the departments that are for each night will be listed on their docs and they will slowly start populating with information. And it is, it is a challenge to keep up and, you know, to be able to be prepared, especially when you're talking about three weeks and one week. Yes. There we've tried it in different ways. This is, it's just a challenge. And the only thing that I would ask is that when you do start populate, when you do figure it out, that you try not to have departments that are particularly high profile, all going on one night. Yep. Got it. That's helpful. I mean, I think so. I mean, there may be others who might feel differently that it'd be great if you have them all in one night because, you know, not everyone can make it to each one, but I tend to feel like we get overrun and then we're literally here at nine o'clock at night because we haven't been able to get through it and people have questions. Also as well, I mean, I know that you have sent an email in this memo to the council, I would do it again, you know, just so that everyone knows when these states are so that people will come. It's always great to see more than the board of finances. It is when we have board of finance meetings. Great. I will do that. And sorry, then I have one more stupid question as I'm trying to put these on my calendar. Are these starting at five thirty usually or? Great question. Not stupid should have been on here. They're going to start at five and I will add that before I set this out to the larger council. The department presentation once in May for sure, as you know, the board of finance sometimes for five, sometimes for five thirty, but those May evenings will start at five because as President Paul said, they go long anyway. So let's just start on earlier. This is a good discussion. Any other questions, requests, comments? If not, we are adjourned at six twenty three. Thank you very much.