 We're here at Wicked 2012 in Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, and I'm very pleased to be joined by Mr. Posa Mashengwani, who is General Manager for Consumer Affairs for the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa. Mr. Mashengwani, thank you very much indeed for being with us today. Thank you very much for inviting me to the interview of this very, very important conference of the world. I'd like to start off by talking about what was going on last week. You spoke out very passionately in Friday's plenary about the importance of accessibility provisions to be included in the ITRs. Why is this so important in your opinion? It is very much important because SOF gathered here. We are from various countries. People that are here are from the more developed nations and also from the less developed nations. And so the problem of promoting their rise and the interest for persons with disabilities is not such a big problem for the more developed nations, but it is for the less developed nations because as member states of the United Nations, they need to account somehow to the United Nations about what they are doing in the era of disability. So we are here to try and debate and convince the more developed nations to make sure that they support us and they agree with us to include the issue of accessibility to international communication into the ITRs because by so doing, you'll find a situation whereby the governments in the less developed nations put that as their policies and ultimately that will end into legislation that will make sure that the issue of accessibility is promoted in those countries. And we know that when they go to the United Nations to report about what progress they have made, they'll also be asked about accessibility, particularly in terms of international communication, and the snow country that will not like to talk positively about the progress they've made in their countries. So that is why we request and we plead and we are hopeful that the issue of ITR will be placed in the, of the accessibility to be placed in the ITRs when player recedes tomorrow or today. Now, one would imagine that helping people with disabilities access ICTs would be something that most people would support. Why is there so much of a debate around this? Well, there's a lot of debate about this because, you know, persons with disability have been elected for a long time and it's an effect that in other countries, other nations, those people, we will never see them, they are hidden away. So now we are in the new era whereby we must make sure that they are also coming out and participate like all other able persons. So for us, who are able, we have to make sure that we lay a foundation for them so that wherever we're working, particularly here in the telecommunication sector, we must make use of this platform that we have to make sure that we create the conducive environment for them to participate in this international telecommunication. So that is why it is so important for all the nations to participate in that because they have got knowledge, they have got skills, they have got some other things that the able people are not in, but if we interact with them, that is where we will make sure that we as the nation of the world work together, we move together with them and then they are not left behind because they are also human beings. Now, since Friday you have been lobbying very hard to get other countries to support your cause. Are you confident that you will succeed? I am very, very confident that I always pay God every day as long as I am here in Dubai to make sure that our call, our proposal for inclusion of the accessibility in the ITR should be adopted. So I am very confident because most of the developed nations have indicated support for the call that I have made, particularly when we are in our own drug meeting. So that gave me a lot of confidence that we will succeed in this plea for us to include the accessibility in the ITRs. Now, another subject that I know you have been very passionate about is e-waste. E-waste is a growing problem that is not going to go away. What proposals are up before this conference to deal with this? Well, e-waste is another area that is cost for concern, especially for the less developed nations because you know that as we are going to migrate into digital, most of the electronic equipment that are currently being used will be dumped elsewhere. And the destination in most cases is where you find the less developed nations. And that is also a cost for concern because those electronic equipment, some of them have got chemicals that are made to the health of people. And so they will be dumped in those countries. And then later you find that they are obsolete and they are dumped by the very same nations elsewhere and you find that maybe children are playing with them and as a result they get sick or even maybe it can be fatal to them. So that is why we are lobbying that e-waste should also be put into the ITRs because if we do have that we will find a situation whereby there is a control between the less developed nations and also the developed nations in terms of the issue of e-waste. So why is it important to include this in the ITRs as opposed to letting countries deal with this on an individual basis? Something that is a health hazard is a cost for concern and then if you want to have it having a strong cuisine it needs to be in a treaty whereby the nations of the world will sign the treaty and then if they sign the treaty you will find that there is compliance with the treaty and then so that is why we request that it should be in the ITR because if it is not there no one will care about it but if it is in the treaty you have to account about the issue of the United Nations and then so as I said earlier on everybody would like to make sure that when you account to the UN you account positively and you are proud of what you account there so that other people can also follow suit to your account. Thank you very much indeed being with us today. Thank you very much and I wish you well in all your endeavours for this very lovely conference. Likewise. Thanks.