 It's a good thing that he booked that flight to Denver for after game seven because you know, that's how traveling works Run it back starts now Happy Tuesday morning. Yes, I remembered it was Tuesday and that's really all I was shooting for today So the day has been done. This is we're running back on Fandall TV I would like to introduce my friends my family at Shamsherania Stadium Insider Chandler Parsons Eddie Gonzalez guys It seems like we've been not talked to each other in about seven weeks And so much has happened since the last time we were all here Including Chandler making ridiculous predictions about a game seven and it all happened and it happened last night and the heat Dominated I think most of us were asking for a game that was good Didn't really get that but we got a Miami Heat win and it was a big one Jimmy Butler Of course MVP of the series 28 7-6 Caleb Martin is about to get rich And then there's Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and we will talk about both of those young men because I don't think they're very happy This morning as well, but for the heat to blow a three-nothing series lead almost And then come back and win this thing in game seven on the road in Boston How impressed were you Chandler? Super impressive the whole world kind of felt the momentum shift to the Boston Celtics And then I think Charles Barkley said once that they won game six It kind of then goes back to Boston, right? Everyone thinks they're the better team They're the higher seed that had a better season and now it's coming down on their home floor after everything that he's been through and Man, they showed up and last night. I got to give credit to Caleb Martin. It's funny Everyone keeps talking about how he's getting paid this summer. He's not a free agent But if he were to be this summer, he's got I was with my agent He's gonna make close to 20 million dollars a year and that is insane the fact of this kid his story What he's come from undrafted everything that he's done how far he's developed It's crazy that he showed up and played like he did in the playoffs But this was this was the Boston Celtics first quarter last night was a business boy You score 15 points you shoot 26% from the field 0 for 10 from the three Turn them all over four times and meanwhile Jason Tatum springs his ankle the first play the game and takes one a shot It's one shot attempt and the biggest game of their season It was brutal and I didn't see this happening But kudos to the heat man. They they bought back Everyone was counting them out But this was super impressive and this was just a balance. This is what the heat to I keep sleeping on them All year long And I'm gonna do it again, and I'm sure we'll get there But I'm gonna do it again in the finals, but this was a really really impressive when and they deserve to be going to the to the finals It's felt like a little bit of a course correction. I mean the Celtics were dead in the water in game three We're all saying they quit they look like a team who was ready for the offseason Even game six they were a miracle away from going home then in Miami So this is probably the team that should have won. This is probably the better team Whether we feel like they have more talent or not that they never remember about the Miami heat They were a shot away from the finals last year essentially the same roster They were the number one seed last year again, essentially the same roster and this year. Yes, they were plagued with injuries They lost Tyler hero immediately as the playoffs started, but this is a savvy roster. This is a talented roster This is a roster that's won big games before and their coach by probably the best coach in the league So it's not surprising that they're this good when it matters like this I I think it's a little bit of a course correction because what we thought of them in the regular season and I said this last week about Yolk it's I'm saying it today about Jimmy Butler probably the most accurate reason to have this Eastern Conference MVP Because there's somebody deserved to be awarded for the performances he had I know we're all excited about Caleb Martin. He didn't even average 20 points game this series He had some pretty good games. He had a great game last night But Jimmy Butler deserved this award and look the heater back or they said they were gonna be and I think it's an interesting series I don't know if Maybe we have been better off had the Celtics one But with the effort they put up yesterday they kind of told us what we would have got from them in a week as well Yeah Yeah, to me if a few things really jumped out at the end of the day It's a maker miss league and what I saw in the first half is that Joe Missoula in the Celtics They didn't really have an answer when the heat went zone I think that's the brilliance of Eric Spolster when he's able to switch things up He didn't do anything in the lineup But they went to the zone a little bit in the first half and that kind of threw Boston often any time You have Jalen Brown Jason Tatum and with 13 for 36 from the field. They're just not gonna get it done You can tell Jason Tatum. He admitted after the game. He was limping after the game That was a pretty severe ankle sprain that he had I mean even in the still shot his ankle bent, you know all the way and he gutted out. He played through it I'm not gonna say that's an excuse and I'm not gonna give him it out Give the Celtics now, but he clearly wasn't as mobile as he was but overall either way it goes I think Miami showed that they're the better team They might not have the most talent on paper especially with no Tyler hero no victor all the depot in this entire series, but they're the better team They're more cohesive Caleb Martin shout out to him I mean it's the most point for an undrafted player in the In conference finals history and the heat played seven undrafted players in the rotation in these postseason That's the first ever team to make them make the finals playing seven undrafted players in the rotation So the heat have been through a lot this entire season They're the first playing team ever to make to make to the NBA finals. I think we have to give them their credit I I do and I the story about J Cole and Caleb Martin. I just every time I hear it I sort of chuckle like that's an insane story Maybe it's recency bias, but what we watched Caleb Martin do last night was pretty special. Yeah, he did he saved the heat So you owe him something but Chandler if they would have called out Caleb Martin's name last night for the Eastern Conference finals MVP Would you have been shocked? I would have been shocked just because Jimmy Butler is their best player He's been their best player all season long in this entire series So I would have been shocked but you look at Caleb Martin this kid is a he can play and he's long and he can defend and now He's knocking down shots. He's getting to his spots You look at this side-by-side of him and Jalen Brown. We're gonna talk about getting a super max contract this Caleb Martin averages nineteen point three points per game this series Jalen Brown nineteen six point four rebounds for Caleb Martin six point one for Jalen sixty percent from the field forty nine percent from three and eighty eight from free throw compared to forty two sixteen and sixty seven from Jalen Brown So we're talking about a guy that's really about to get a huge contract who's deserving But he showed up and he played and it's tough for the Celtics to win This I think still the best duo in the NBA But when you got Tatum going five for thirteen with fourteen points You got Jalen Brown going eight for twenty three with a career high eight Turnovers and the biggest game in a game seven with everything on the line That's tough So it's it's hard to point the finger to anybody else other than those two guys because they're the best players, right? They get all the praise when they win and they get the negative Media when they lose and that's just part of the game But these two are great players They had a great season, but they just came up short and I respect the way they fought I respect the way they came back But the whole day dug in that first quarter last night like Sean said they went to the zone They were just hoisting threes and they were getting good looks They just didn't knock the shots down this was which resulted to long rebounds and allow the heat to get out And not let the Celtics at their defense, but this this was Again, I did not see this coming man. This was this was not close This was a double digit lead from the very very beginning and the heat deserved it It was I think before the game people maybe it was just me saying this, but I was like, I don't want to see another blowout because games Four and five were not fun But then I thought if I if there was a blowout I wanted to be Miami because I think Miami is just more fun to watch and maybe that's just me saying that But there's going to be a lot of talk right now about the Celtics loss The body language these ideas that these guys don't like each other Jalen Brown after the game is already sort of hymn and hawn And doesn't really want to answer questions Um, if we're going to put blame and we're going to start today Who are we blaming for the Celtics? Chandler I'm again, I'm I'm blaming the best two players that didn't show up in games. Both. You're not picking one. You're not gonna pick that Well, again, it's it's tough because this team is kind of Organized around these two everything goes through these two Mazula, I will say he does have some blame. I think it's 50 50 if they keep him after this I think obviously they just signed him to the four-year deal if they were to get swept I think he would have been gone But the way they fought back, I think he's still going to stay in there But this is a collective effort man, you don't get this far And you don't get to the conference finals without it being some sort of a successful year But when you had the talent they had when you have that duo when you have those championship aspirations like they did This is a failure Jalen Brown said that after the game. He failed. They failed. They let the city down the whole organization down Um, and again, just Jason Tatum. It's not an excuse, but that ankle injury the first play of the game I mean, it's hard to think this game wouldn't have went another way if that didn't happen But that's that's basketball and that's part of it. I do think he would have had a bigger game without that Because he was definitely hobbled For the remainder of the game, but it's it's tough not to sit here and blame Jason Tatum Jalen Brown Missoula, he definitely looked lost at some moments and showed his inexperience But they lost this as a team and and no doubt they'll be back though To me, this is an organizational failure. There's plenty of blame to to spread around I think that's a failure of their philosophy on offense I think it's a failure of a lot of things that they shot more threes than two again last night and they shot nine of 42 For that range that they shot 21% if you look at jalen brown Marcus smart and derrick white they shot four of 24 from three combined You look at the the play where jason tatum got hurt Al Horford had a layup on gape vinson passed out of it with three seconds to go on a shot clock And then you get your best player hurt because you don't want to just take a layup It's a frustrating team to watch and they talked all year long about shot profile about math about just out Mathing everybody you can't out math the playoffs. It doesn't work like that. You have to play basketball You have to make tough shots. You have to get to the rim. You got to rebound You got to defend which is something else they didn't do this idea that you can just three point everybody to death It's it's never been proven true It it probably will never be proven true because the playoffs are different Than the regular season. We don't play these games on a spreadsheet It's frustrating watching that team play the way they do and when you leave everything up to variants of your shot making This is what happens You lose the biggest game of the season because your variance goes one way And when you wanted it to go the other way, it's it's uh, it's disappointing. I don't think you need to break up the Band I just think you need to approach the game a little bit different especially in the playoffs and yes Jason getting hurt changed everything But jason got hurt on one of those plays that I hate to see when somebody passes out of a wide open Layup because they think they're going to get a corner three. So I blame that All right, that's I think that's well thought out and a fair blame Um, a lot of people might even start to blame joe mazula. Look, he was on his way to being swept Out of this thing and managed to come back and make a game seven out of it. Did that save his job choms? Well, I think you look at jason tanham's comments after the game the fact that he bought for joe mazula I think that was of no, but I think the impression that I'm getting right now is the Celtics and mazula will look more toward stacking and elevating his bench with more veteran assistants They they need some depth on that staff. I think they're going to look more toward that this off season They're there definitely was momentum built in this series You win three in a row make this the series where you go into game seven at home Chance to make history I think everything that went into this joe mazula didn't find out that he was going to be head coach until Literally a day or two before media day When all the yime yudoka stuff happened So there is some some something to be said there as far as having a full off season To to have to your own and really build the right way And the bottom line also is that joe mazula is about 14 million from what i'm told on his deal for the for the three years After this so they just signed to that new deal And I think just given how this year went. Yes, if he got swept I think there would be a lot more questions, but the fact that it did go to game seven Um, I think it allowed the Celtics to see that there is a little bit of runway some potential here Yeah, this guy he got thrown into the fire and again This is a great team to inherit everything that he got with this roster and and the season they had before This is a great job to have and and there were up and downs for him And I do think he should be able to come back and I do think they should keep this duo together and fully in Jalen brown, um, we I feel like Derek white hasn't really been talked about enough This guy is so important We got an argue on site watch the game how we think he's better than the jordan pools and the tyler heroes Just because he does As a basketball player, he's not might not be more talented He might not have better handles or last year game But derrick white can hoop and he impacts winning and he plays hard. He's the type of guy that they do need They do need a deeper bench I it hurts me to watch robert williams run up and down the floor. I feel like he's in pain his knees Uh are not good, but I think this team this is going to hurt and this is going to sting Which I think long term is going to help this team and I do think they'll be back right in this position next year Kind of like jimmy said I think next year the Celtics will be right back in position Page alien brownies money. He deserves it. You're not getting anyone better than him You have this absolute star and tatum and get more guys like derrick white to surround those guys in a deeper Bench, I think they'll be just fine Yeah, you know what chaylor when you say that like if if they were to come out and say the same things The way jimmy butler does it doesn't have the same sort of gravitas when jimmy butler like when jimmy butler says it I I believe it for some reason the Celtics don't feel like that to me But you're right. They do have this opportunity now Are they going to give the super max to jail and browns so much money's Eddie if you're the Celtics, what are you doing? You pay him it's 26 years old. He just made second team all in BA. I know you had a rough series You don't break up your franchise for a rough series when you look at the success you've had over the last five years You pay him you you sign the wing who can defend Yes, he has a little some holes on offense and yes He could have shot better in this series and and yet it's funny to watch his handle Be a little loose, but you pay him because like Chandler said you you don't have a better option People are talking about trading for Damian Lillard. People are talking about Trading him for just pieces in depth. No, you you lock up the all MBA wing Who has yet to even turn 27 years old and you pair him with your other all MBA wing And you move on and you see what happens from there How many rosters have we looked at and said hey if they had kept this team together Look what that would have been and we look at these pictures of Brandon Ingram and Julius Randall and Lonzo Ball and go Oh what that team could have been and and then we go back to the thunder Of course with KD and and Russ and James Hardin Now you keep them together and then you figure out the rest around them You had a first year coach who was thrust into that position a week before the season started a lot of growing pains there They that's really need a point guard. I agree with shams there somebody to help get them in line And and run that offense But you keep those two together if anything if you feel like you need to trade him later You trade them later when you have his five-year contract and he's a little more enticing that way But you don't even think about this you pay him you make it work Yeah, yeah, I I fully agree God damn mine if they didn't resign this kid he can do it all He can defend he can score he can rebound There's no better option like I just said what they're gonna trade for an older Damian Liller to try and win now Like no feeling brown Jason Tatum are there now they are future they are there everything you have to lock in this dude And then again, it's what else they do it's can they find another another Derek white can they find a more Solid bench You know they had guys like Alan Ari and Blake Griffin that didn't really pan out Didn't really give them the minutes that they need but they need guys like that that can actually contribute that can help That can relieve some pressure when when guys do go down and the season's long There's always going to be injuries. They have to they have to get deeper But jaylen brown he's he's a he's a top 10 top 15 player in the NBA you you do whatever you can to resign 15 shams Does he want to stay by the way? I mean I get it the money Let's just Pretend like that's not a thing but 300 million dollars that I would stay anywhere I'd stay with my worst enemies 24 7 but It doesn't like I wonder if he wants to stay or if he would rather be somewhere else It's hard to tell sometimes from his body language shams. I know you have news for us We love to celebrate people getting new gigs here at run it back. Talk to me. Milwaukee first Yeah, adrian griffin new head coach of the milwaukee bucks They went through a finalist process of nick nurse adrian griffin kenny ackinson and interestingly They all met one-on-one with yannis and did the kumpa before any hiring was made and then ownership yannis John horse their general manager milwaukee. They all huddled up afterward to figure out exactly who the coach would be But the fact that yannis was so involved in the process A couple years out from his player option. I think is is very noticeable But from what i'm told yannis was pretty vehemently against any other candidate besides adrian griffin He he really vouched and advocated for griffin to get the job And I think when you look at the factors former player The ability to be relatable Accountable the defensive structure that I think adrian griffin they believe he's going to bring to the table What he's been a part of he's been on so many staff scott sciles billy donovan um The last five years or so with nick nurse and so I think the fact that yannis wanted him so much You have to take his voice strongly in the account Yeah, this guy's this guy's been around. He's well respected. Um, he deserves a head coach You've heard his name throughout the year is kind of getting an opportunity and I'm happy for him I spent a little bit of time with him in the summer and he's great x's and o's. He's great player development He's a great workout guy And being on those staffs have obviously prepared it for this moment and in chums that the bucks They asked their best player they asked their everything and with the player option coming up They wanted to make sure that he was happy and this seemed to be that his his pick and his guys So it makes sense. I didn't see his name as much as like a frontrunner for this job So it was a little surprising when I saw it but From what I know everything I heard about this guy On court off the court great dude great coach and the great hire from a walking Yeah, I think them giving the one on one with yannis is fascinating and Mike som said his player options coming up and you you You have to listen to yannis in this situation But I can't recall a time where I've heard that I've heard of players being involved in the meetings with a one on one dinner with With the with the mvp and and all that that's that's fascinating And it signals that how important he is to the future of this franchise and how much they need to keep him And and that's not breaking news But yeah them giving him the keys like that and essentially letting him pick the coach by by som's reports It's uh, it's it's interesting to see uh, you got to remember This is the guy who jumped in front of the jason kid firing as well So I don't know that players are always the best options to pick the coach But it's it means a lot for the franchise to hand that this isn't over to yannis and and we'll see what's the rigors I think is a great candidate. I think I love this two guys like this getting their shot and The benches he's been a part of and you know his time in the league and all the things he's seen in basketball uh, I I want to see how he does out here, but The signs point to him at least having a a good uh idea of what he wants to do going forward I know but were these candidates allowed to ask yannis what his intentions are after two seasons If he's planning on staying because I feel like that would also affect whether or not I wanted to be the coach of this team, but he doesn't have to be honest Uh, we're taking a quick break coming up later in the show. The idea is the league is considering free throws for flopping Good idea or not, but before that jock Landale phoenix sun's center is standing by. Yes, we're gonna get the scoop on everything We want to hear what he thought about this game seven and well former spurs are always welcome here when run it back returns It's fun to watch yourself on a loop joining us today jock landale for the phoenix sun's center And I was gonna get right into game seven jock and thank you. I know it's early out on the west coast But before we came back you were telling us about your day and why you're stuck in los angeles and I would love for you to share this story Yeah, we uh, we we took a little trip Right after season and and we went out to dinner and we were kind of at dinner discussing the possibility of going to europe and Uh, i'm just spending a week out there because we've got some stuff I'm out there next year that we needed to kind of check again on We came back from dinner and the dog was sitting there and my passport was just spread out across the room So the dog definitely had other plans in that regard. So right now. We're doing a little trip out to sand san francisco to Get a new passport, which has just been a pain in the ass. So that's that To expedite a passport and it's a golden retriever for anybody who's wondering if you're in the market for a dog I don't know if that sells you on a golden retriever or sways you away He's on sale. It's a cheap right now. So just He's on sale For a little guy just didn't want you to leave. All right, so I know we got basketball to talk to and we had the uh, the improbable Happen this past week. We got a game seven out of what seemed like a very easy sweep for the miami heat What were your reactions as a player watching a team like boston come back from something like that? I mean Like when they when they came out and said don't let us care one I really like believe that because momentum as you know in the mba is is a crazy thing and Once the team gets going just like miami had it going in the first three. It's it's really hard to solve them down and stop them so I felt watching watching that series unfold that boston did a great job of kind of getting the momentum swing back on their side and I I thought that it was going to be tough to To slow them down, but every win that they had I was you know, it was without gay Vincent who was a huge piece of the puzzle for them and then You know jimmy had a couple of nights bam had a couple of nights and their role players kept kind of ticking along so I felt as though the whole time if they could just get there the whole thing to kind of click and come together then Then that fourth win was going to be a no-brainer and it took them into game seven, but You know, I feel I really feel as though their their bench and their role players stepped up in a huge way and um All those undrafted guys as people like to keep calling them They were huge and kyle of martin was massive for them last night and being able to kind of help them get across the line But I felt felt as though last night was kind of A complete picture for miami and they did a great job of just banding together and and doing what it took to You know win at the right time So jock the heat are not going to face the nuggets who beat your sons in the west semis Um, do you think that he can do this can they really pull this off and win? And do you think there's anyone there that can really contain or stop nicole yoke? I just don't believe you can stop yoke playing against sim and and you know Trying to push him to the brink of of you know Fatigue and just slow him down as much as possible by working him, you know Up and down the court non-stop and crashing every board He really is able to just take his foot off the gas from from an intensity standpoint But still be able to pick apart the defense. So I don't necessarily believe that they're going to be able to stop yoke I think it's more about can you stop the players around him from from being massive contributing factors can you hold jamal to 15 to 20 rather than giving him 30 a night. Um I think that there are some huge players That bruce brown makes on a regular basis. Can you kind of cut those out? And then I think their secondary unit can you do a great job of kind of Hurting them. I think that's where where you can really win games It's it's it's a it's a tough. It's a tough match up for any team in saying that bam bam is a really great defensive player who's a nice kind of mixture of an all-star but who also gives an incredible effort every single night and I think that that Is a rare combination that maybe he hasn't seen yet in the playoffs. So It's going to be it's going to be interesting. It's going to be an interesting one I believe there's that miami I was thinking about last night I think they can really push them in this series and And surprise a lot of people the other thing is is there's been this constant narrative around miami of Being the underdogs and and I believe that that's what they boston might have lost a few games at the start Was they took their foot off the gas Thinking oh, this is just this is an eight seed but we can you know come in and get this done With our eyes closed and and obviously that didn't happen. So I think this is going to be a series I don't think it's going to be a walk in the park like some people might believe it's going to be Miami's tough. They make great adjustments And I'm I'm not entirely sure who's who dem is going to defend them with So I feel like this is going to be a tough match up for both teams Big fella you you you got a lot of praise for the job you did on nick of the yokich and your guys are serious and you had some great minutes in that series. What's it like guarding yokich? I mean, this is a guy who can do literally everything on the court at that size Give us an idea of what it's like to just have to deal with that match up into a playoff series It's tough man. It is really tough. Um I have I have a few players in the back of my head where You know, I defend him as well as I can and he just has this feathery touch, which is damn near impossible will stop. So um, I wasn't really too concerned with with Whether or not he had 53 on a given night or if I held him to you know 2017 and 18 and it was funny and in that series some people were saying I you know, I got the best of him on any given night and then I look at the the box score and Guys got 20, 18 and 16. It's like well, it's kind of tough to say that way from my position but My whole mindset was just like slow him down as much as possible by by giving a By giving a great effort every single possession and just working myself to exhaustion because I kind of know where my limit will be But seeing if I can bring him to that just a little bit quicker given the minute You know discrepancy and everything that we were playing So I knew that I was going to get 20 to 25 minutes In games three and four and then I was going to just take it from there But I wasn't really too concerned with whether or not he made buckets and and did what he does because he's a two-time MVP for a reason All I was concerned with was crash the glass every single time and just kind of run through run through him as much as possible and then up and down the court as as much as possible and then On top of that it was like, you know, making sure that I wasn't doing You know the NBA thing where you just kind of walk into an on-ball It was sprint down to the baseline make him touch the baseline with me and then come flying back up into an on-ball at half court and I was just trying to really wear him down as much as possible so that you know We could I never thought we were going to stop him on the offensive end But could we get more production out of our guys offensively with him being tired on the defensive end so That's where my my mind was at the whole time Either luxury of kind of sitting back and watching those games one and two unfold courtside so It was I feel as if I had like a good idea. I had to do so. Yeah Yeah, jack keeping it with the big fellas Deandre Aten he's got a lot of criticism all season long, especially in the postseason and you defended him He said, you know, I'm tired of people Shitting on him basically What what what did his critics not see that you as his teammate as his boy see every single day in the facility in the locker room? Yeah, I mean DA to me is someone who who copped the brunt of criticism ever since Obviously, I wasn't on the team last year, but ever since they're lost to uh to Dallas last year in game seven When I came into the facility, there was a lot of there was a lot of negativity being kind of slugging towards him and I got to really know the guy over a year and I thought that he was a great teammate. Um, every single time that I was out there Competing he was the first one off the off the bench to kind of, you know clap and come talk to me and He was always kind of in my ear about what to do next and and then that trickled over just into the locker room and then into the practice facility and then it was you know, we were hanging out off the court as well and I just kind of got fed up with with Hearing about how this guy was, you know took took me in from the start of the year and I saw him kind of always being up and about and clapping for his teammates. I know that there's little things but Um, and and and I know that there is a side to you know, we're basketball players We need to perform in the court But there was just so much more that he was he was doing well that the people weren't necessarily recognizing and me being from Australia me being from a culture that kind of you know Claps and emphasizes Um, you know the teammate aspect of everything. I thought that that was something that was being overlooked completely The other thing was we were in the middle of a playoff battle and it was obvious that All this chat and talk was getting to him So I was like someone's got to step up here and let him know that he's not just in this by himself And he's not just you know, like I'm not cool with how people were talking about him being one of my boys. So all I did was just kind of be who I was and and Said, you know enough's enough and and this guy deserves to know that you know, we've got him We got his back and and and that he's not in this thing alone. So There's a lot of things that da does well, you know, even on the court Even though he wasn't having the best series like we all understood that and I think he understood that He had a great year and and he was a huge piece of the puzzle for us early on in the season And through the whole the whole regular season. He had a good series against Against the Clippers, but he was fine on his feet. You know, we went through a huge transition during all star break and he was he was He's role changed drastically So I feel I felt like he needs to hear that from someone within the organization I know that monti was was was trying to be in his ear about it But I thought one of us players needed to step up and just let him know publicly that that we had his back You mentioned coach money and he obviously was fired shortly after this series How did you feel about that situation? You know, were you surprised? Did you were you hoping he'd stay on? What was your vantage point with that? Yeah, I mean, I love playing for monti. Um, you know, those decisions obviously well out of my control, but um Yeah, I really enjoyed playing for monti. I I mean, he gave me my first real mba opportunity ever and I'm gonna be forever grateful for that. Um Someone that that I thought did a really good job within his role Of kind of managing our team and and helping us through the season despite, you know There was despite all the criticism that was around us despite all the changes that we went through roster and organization base I thought monti did a hell of a job. So, um You know, I can't really speak on the the decision that was made because that's well above my pay grade and All I can say is that like I'm very appreciative of what monti did for me and and you know Enjoyed my time with him throughout the year and kind of navigating a pretty rough terrain for the most part Jock, what type of coach do you think would be best suited for you guys moving forward? What characteristics would you look at? Yeah, I think that uh I think that a coach that can really manage our our locker room is is Huge and necessary and I think that someone who can kind of piece together a championship winning the team Who's probably, you know done it in the past um Would be would be great for us because at this point it really feels as though the the phoenix suns is You know, we're going for it all and we need to get across the line at some point. So I think that the only question that really needs to be asked is who's best suited to be able to help us do that And I mean, that's why I said it on on that fact on that matter is this, you know We need to win a championship. We all want to be in a championship. We're here to win a championship. So How can we how can we best, you know Pick a head coach to help us do that? um Obviously, there's the there's I think there's three names on the on the card right now I'm not entirely sure but um Yeah, I think that I think that there's some great options there for us. Um In going forward and and we've got to wait and see what happens Yeah, you and your former teammate mccall bridges Uh, have a hilarious very interesting uh relationship online uh, have one of you post anything that You thought might have crossed the line at all or is this all in good fun? No, I never I think I think people really uh, look, I need to take it a step further from where I said I don't need to really start outing some of his personal life and and just letting them know to cool it a little bit. Um Yeah, no, I think that some of the some of the uh, some of the people on twitter took that last one a little bit to heart and Uh, we really start even some of the phoenix suns fan. I had to take some after I was like man I don't even think I can go at you anymore because there's phoenix suns fans even when you're gone They jump on your side and set them on so Uh, I think mccall is a little bit of a protected species and I've got I've got to cool it just a little bit just a little bit Yeah, there's no font in twitter for star cazum. Unfortunately people still don't get it after how many years the thing's been out there But um, obviously I'm gonna ask about pop rookie season san Antonio under popovich. Um, did what did you learn? Are there any stories you can share? Man, I learned a lot. Um, first of all, it was it was pretty cool to be a part of the The the the winning record. Uh, that that was a really sick experience to be able to kind of Play a part and that's a very very small part in uh, in that I think we only won like 23 games or something, but Um, we got we got across the line. So that was good. Um, but yeah That was a really cool part. Um of of my career was being able to see see that unfold and um In terms of stories, I haven't got too many for you that kind of top the ones that I've heard out there, but You know in terms of what I learned it was just it was about managing the mba space, um I will say that like my first my first week in the facility. He came to me and I Kind of sit back on it now. I'm like I was probably sarcastic But he he came to me the first practice and he was like, right I want you to do like a five minute presentation on the joe Biden infrastructure bill It's about to be passed for like three trillion dollars And I was like, is this guy serious? Like I don't even know if he's serious So I went home and like in my notebook like writing down this full speech about it And I was like, right, I'm ready to go and then like a week pass I didn't say anything a week past and I was like Pop like I got this speech written down like I put some serious time into this You want me to make this speech that was going on and he was like, I was being sarcastic But now that you know now that I know that you are for sure telling us about this I had to get in front of the whole group and I read it out of this notepad and I was just like, god damn Like I definitely could have touched that Yes, this is awesome Yeah, that was that was a good pop one But yeah, he just he taught me a lot about the perspective on on life Outside of basketball and making sure that you know, we don't just get too obsessed and too involved in this and have some perspective on the world going on around us and I think you see that Staying a day out with his with his efforts outside in the community and what he's kind of doing for America right now. I was about to say Texas, but he's really doing a lot for America. So Yeah, he's he's a pretty incredible man and to be doing what he's doing now and I don't think pop's going to retire anytime soon with the number one draft bit coming in. So I'm for a long time Jock you really establish yourself as an NBA player this year, of course is whether it's starting coming off the bench I think you've proven that but now you look into it. You're going to be a restricted free agent this off season Are you hoping to go back to the Suns? What's your outlook when you go into free agency this summer as a guy that's going to be sought after Yeah, I would love to go back to the Suns. We really enjoyed the city and we really enjoyed the fan base the organization basketball We bought a house there because we loved it so much and we thought this could be a home for us long-term I do understand however that it's that it's a business and that you know There's a lot to go through and a few hoops to go through in terms of you know, what can take care of our family So I'm not Totally set on phoenix and nothing else, but but I definitely want to return there had a phenomenal year there and We just enjoy the the culture and the lifestyle in phoenix and and then the organization is great You know the teammates there Love playing with cp board kd You know, these are all guys that I really enjoy playing with and would like to do so for a long time, but It's a business and at some point, you know being 27 I really have to look at it as such and and make sure that I'm taking care of long-term and going forward. So Yeah, there's there's a lot to happen. It's exciting times But um, but yeah, you know, if we can figure out a way to get it done with phoenix. I would I would love to say that Jockey went undrafted 2018 draft Are you one of those guys who has the list in your head of all the big fellas who went drafted before you? Do you got like smoke for mo vagner every time you see them? Is that in there for you? No, I mean, I don't even I don't even think I was undrafted. I tell everyone I was the 61st pick in the 2018 draft. So Yeah, I definitely I wouldn't say I have a list as such But I definitely have a little bit of chill on my shoulder and I feel as I give them what I had to go through to get back into the NBA and All the hard days that I had to do out in Europe by myself and stuff There's it really changed who I was as a person and and Taught me to kind of never take my foot off the gas and make sure that I'm always in the gym And there's and knowing that there's someone behind me who's always, you know, he's always trying to get out in front. So Yeah, definitely definitely not one of those guys who has a list But there are certain people that I look forward to playing and making sure that You know, I can prove a point against them because I know that that helps me long term. So Yeah, it's it was a long road to get here and and I'm really pumped to be here and you know Have you know done a job this this this uh, this post season to be able to solidify myself a little bit, but Yeah, I attribute a lot of that to to kind of what I had to go through for those three years and two years in Europe And then year back home in Australia to to be able to get here and Um, yeah, it's pretty cool to think about pretty cool thing about Jock, we we appreciate the time early in the morning And I know you have a really fun day ahead of you to get at your passport Um, what do you call your haircut before we let you go? What do you call it? Sexy, I don't know. Nice. That's all I was looking for. That's all I was looking for Thank you so much. So much. Uh, have a great off season. We'll see you next season shams We'll see you tomorrow. So uh, don't go too far and when we come back. It's Chandler. It's eddie. It's me You're probably going to change your life when run it back returns We are back time for some you buying that there it is shams with the mba's competition committee discussing this idea of uh, Rewarding or not rewarding. I should say if you flop technical free throw. There we go. Chandler Do you love this and we may get to see it in summer league, which is kind of exciting I do I absolutely Love this. I think it eliminates it. I think it's kind of like a take fowl where Flopping has now become such a huge part of the game where it stops momentum. It stops runs I think I think referees should be should be, you know Docked if they bite it then if they fall for flopping With all the reviews with all the cameras Um, this like I said, this just this changes the momentum of the game and it shouldn't be part of the game So I love it. I love the idea of trying it summer league and and seeing Seeing if it works and whatnot, but Yeah, there's there's no there's no you can't you can't play physical and flop in the same game It doesn't make sense. So I love the idea of kind of finally putting it into this and making it actually team Who decides what a flop is though? I guess that's the question right eddie like how how determining a flop Yeah, that's the issue That's the issue and if you're somebody like Kyle Lowry, you know your reputation you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt ever I do want to say real quick before I agree with Chandler because I absolutely agree I think the penalty should be maybe even stiffer than that like Well that lebron play lebron got hit in the face and he got pushed That's not a flop to me some of those other ones are flops But what I will say is like, yo give them a foul too like add to their foul tally Could you imagine the first time market smart gets ejected for having two technical fouls off of flops or joella and bead I love this like please get this out the game one way or the other I'm with you michelle though. I am a little skeptical of like, yo, it's just left up to the ref's discretion But Always are on the side of flopping. Please like just just do it because the more We do it the more stringent we are on it The less will reward Kyle Lowry who flopped onto the scores table a few games ago Like we have to get rid of this, please I mean first of all reviewing it's going to be funny too because it is still all very subjective But that lebron play he was practically in his car eddie. What do you mean? It wasn't a flop That is a large man who could do an extra 10 feet If nicole a lot hits hit me in the face, I would have probably been in the fifth row and I would have sued This is crazy. I would have sued The problem is the problem is when there's flopping there is some sort of contact, right? So how do you justify what is true what is not and these guys they've gotten pretty good at it They're going to learn how to flop better if this becomes a rule Where they're going to they're going to get in contact or they're going to initiate the contact and then they're going to not sell it as much But so there's always going to be a gray area I do like the idea of making it a foul on them kind of like when you want a three point shooter He kicks his leg out or tries to jump into a defensive player. That's that's an offensive foul Flopping should be too and that should hurt you playing in that game tonight and not just one free though I think it should be more severe Okay, I like that. Um, there was some news about nick nurse over the weekend I think a lot of us were had our guesses on which job he would take it seemed like he had his choice and it looks like he pitched Philly over phoenix Huh you buying that channel Yeah, it's just interesting because all the james harden reports right about what his his future there is i'm sure but um Then I heard it's it's basically james just said that's either me or doc So this all this honestly makes sense. This guy's a likable guy I'm pretty sure nick nurse was in houston when I was there with james. There's a relationship there that we don't know about Um, this is this is hilarious here, but uh, yeah Because obviously the the suns they have a win now roster right now as well and that's a great city And they have a new ownership So it's something that this guy could have kind of learned with With with ishbia and kind of went with him and been his guy But philly's gonna be right there again next year and they have the mvp and they have james harden Who now should be coming back who's also a win now and they have tyrese maxis So they have pieces to be a contender right away both of them are great jobs So I don't knock him for it, but it's definitely interesting because the suns are are also right there Surprised you know anything about nick If you know anything about nick nurse's coaching odyssey, I mean he's been everywhere He's learned the game so many different places and like chandler mentioned. Yeah, he was he was with the rocket's D league team at the time And so maybe there is a relationship there. I am a little surprised. He chose seemingly chose this job over the phoenix job Uh, it's all cities alone like I like that's what I thought Like some warm weather You know everything we know of him it was a basketball mind clearly he's seen something He likes there in philly with obviously with joel mv the mvp and then whatever they can add to their roster going forward Uh, it's gonna be interesting going forward. But yeah, it's by all accounts seems like he made his choice and uh We'll be excited to see where he goes What a position to be in by the way One of the best teams in the east or one of the best teams in the west both awesome cities man good for nick nurse It's really good timing in changing jobs as a head coach because that doesn't always work. Sometimes there's nothing left Um, yeah, no, I was a little bit shocked and as an old person. I kept thinking pick the warm weather city So clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about Uh quick break time. We will come back and when we come back chandler is gonna tell us some of his deepest darkest secrets When run it back returns Did you know that Yeah When nba playoff games tip off There's no better place to bet then fan duel america's number one sportsbook because now you can build a same game parlay After the game has already started live sgp's are just one of the new features added for the playoffs So go check it all out right now on the fan duel sportsbook app make every moment more with fan duel official sportsbook partner of the mba And yes, we've got a little bit of time before game one tips off on thursday the nuggets huge heavy favorites to win the title minus 480 According to the fan duel sportsbook. Um, I know the heat have been Not believed in But are you reluctant again chandler to bet against the heat or do you like these odds? But they're high odds. They are crazy crazy guys, but the heat I've been going against them pretty much all playoff long And then they keep proving me wrong Um, it's an interesting matchup because there are kind of two different styles The one loves to play defense and slow it down one loves offense in place fast So it's the styles will definitely mesh and Definitely going to be a great series, but I would take the nuggets. I think the nuggets win in either five or six But it's it's going to be a great series Yeah, I'm with chandler. I mean I I've been proven wrong with this Miami heat. I think three times now so I mean let me not be wrong again, but The styles clash is is the series to me the the the nuggets are going to want to run They're going to want to get shots up and the heat want to play for 23 seconds And then finally get their shot up And it's going to be that clash and I think mike malone has proven himself to be Top tier mba coach and then you have eric spulster on the other end So it's going to be a battle of philosophies, but at the end of the day You just can't do anything about yokich. I think it's just his time. It's his year and Apologies to jimmy butler, but it's nicole yokich's time I'm just excited. I'm excited for these finals. I'm stoked to watch and if you've been watching the playoffs at all You should be too and tomorrow we will have a complete and total and thorough preview of game one See you guys