 Welcome back to the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Our final conversation is about security and it's on a recent directive by the Office of the National Security Advisor for all illegal security outfits in Nigeria to be dismantled and they specifically mentioned just one illegal security outfit which is the national tax force on the prohibition of illegal importation smuggling of arms, ammunition, light weapons, chemical weapons and pipeline vandalism and that's called NATFOS. It was a statement from the head of the strategic communications of the Office of the National Security Advisor over the weekend. You know they're saying that these illegal security you know outfits basically extort Nigerians mount illegal roadblocks and so they have to be scrapped. We've invited a security analyst Mr. Boston Air Good morning and thanks for joining us from Rivers. Good morning, how are you doing? Well good thanks for being here again. So we know that there seems to be you know heightened insecurity in Nigeria at the moment you know but we've seen that one of the responses of that is a scrapping of this you know so-called illegal security outfits. Do you think this is for the good since they're saying they extort Nigerians on illegal checkpoints or do you think that's a move that we shouldn't have considered in the first place? If you ask me first of all when you say that you are dismantling illegal security checkpoints what would you understand? He said all illegal security checkpoints. Now you see we have to define we have to define what he means by all illegal security checkpoints. Not checkpoints outfits security outfits. Sorry all illegal security outfits. We have to define them. You have to give us a definition because there are so many security outfits in this county and I'm not sure they are illegal you understand me ahead. So except he's telling us that if Fira Gomen is disbanding operations of XYZ security outfits that is true because I'm not sure there are illegal very big and popular illegal security outfits that stands on the road to take money from people or to do whatever our tax people are not of that because security is very big. No no illegal security outfits can boldly be on a Nigerian road illegally. No now they have an approval somewhere. So if you are telling us that the office of the NSA is dismantling illegal security groups. Who are the illegal security groups? The group you just mentioned are not illegal security group. They were found there they were commissioned directly or indirectly by an authority that gives them the power to do so. So you can't call them illegal. You can only say you are disbanding the operations of XYZ security group. That is one. Two why is this announcement coming now when the nation is looking for all hands on deck on security to be able to solve the issue of security challenges that we have on ground. I think this is like leaving what is important to begin to chase shadows. Mr. Aikwil let me let me ask about it kind of seems like there is more than that meets the eye with this story because on the 30th of May there was a report on news papers across Nigeria that an Israeli team was coming into Nigeria to train this same NAT force. The DG of NAT force only yesterday was in the news saying that the mode of operation I think it's called the legal framework is being put together concerning NAT force and then this morning we are hearing that the outfit is going to be banned or it has been declared illegal. Does it seem like there might be more than meets the eye with regards to the NSA, Munguno and NAT force? Well personally as a security activist what I would like to say about this particular issue is I repeat issues of security should not be politicized should not be used to get back at someone issues of national security should not be used to get back at someone in fact it's not everything the office of the NSA is supposed to publicly announce there are operations should at some points be more of covert when you come up publicly to call a national organization or a national agency recognized by government that has a director general which means it is recognized by government that receives money allocation and has right to receive money and fault people on certain areas with regards to security when you come out to call them illegal that is too big now you don't just mention that you are the NSA you can have a private meeting with them on behalf of the president and say the president has directed that you should dismantle this they will dismantle it peacefully it's even the digital announced the dismantling did not come up and announce that they are dismantling social illegal security first you call them illegal which means all that they have been doing in the name of official which is on behalf of the country has been illegal oh so you know that they are illegal and you have been aligned them to a spot Nigerians chai NSA is that how you behave can you imagine where people are going to be thinking it only goes to show that the government is not organized the government is not organized all right how can the first son who is older the last son with about 30 years stand on the street to be fighting with the last son it only shows that he does not know he's the elder you understand me so these things these people have to sit down and take calculation they are doing things that primary school peoples won't even do and it's very funny and wrong when people when people in the country are linear when people in the country are traveled when people in the country that have understanding of these things even layman and then you come to make such a kind of pronouncements you don't get your grammar as well the grammars are confusing and then you do this it's it's uncalled for and I think that the whole Nigerian system in fact the federal government of Nigeria should have a retreat and then they should invite professionals to lecture them in all areas of running a government and then they should be willing to learn and then they should implement whatever they learn but let's also talk about this there's people who would argue that there's a lot of security agencies there's a lot of MDAs well security agencies and outfits in the country that seem to be mirroring each other there is too many you know anti-graft agencies there's too many I mean every single security outfit in the country has one that is pretty much the same thing doing you know pretty much the same thing also so should there really have been not forced in the first place when there is the Nigerian police force when there is other you know segments of the Nigerian police force that should be in existence to tackle illegal you know smuggling of arms and ammunition and some of all of that so do you think this might be a good enough reason you know to dismantle not force saying that it's of no use in the first place when there's already established offices and government that should tackle whatever they were set up for what I'm saying is this policies can be made policies can be reviewed you can wake up tomorrow and say look there's no need for a ministry of police affair they should be on the interior like the former administration like the first ten of uh uh uh president Boares administration they were on the interior no problem you can review it again and say look oh police need a ministry of their own they should be on their own no problem you can make policies you can review policies it's not a bad idea what I'm saying is that when you are communicating with people you should be able to make them understand the last time I was here I talked about current members of the public along that's what I said what I'm saying is that going national to announce this as the NSA instead of the director general of that organization doing it is wrong it shows even if there is no fracas but it shows that somebody's trying to fight somebody and that person because he has office is going ahead to make certain announcements so it doesn't show that the government is coordinated anywhere that has a director general in any government agency it means that they are under a ministry and they are under the federal government or we or the other so it's very easy to call the director general and give him a directives and say this is what the position of the presidency is regarding your operations now do this and he will go and take the action that's what I'm saying is the DG that should pronounce the disbandment as a directive from the presidency not the NSA coming to pronounce the disbandment the NSA should be busy with national security matters very important ones we have killings here and there we have attack on non-gun men we have heads men we have Boko around we have issues here and there the NSA should focus on those issues and be giving directives to the relevant heads of those agencies that needs to be for them to be the one mentioning pronouncement you understand me the NSA don't need to come and begin to shout that that's what I'm saying he's leaving the big league he's leaving the premiership and he's going to play the last division that's wrong that's my point I'm not saying they have no right to do whatever that's one two calling something that is a government that has been running for years illegal you are calling it illegal so you all right seem to have lost uh mr right bit there oh well we'll try and reconnect with him of course I keep the conversation going and maybe also get to the dangers with regards dismantling this um um agency of government um does that is there a likelihood that's you know those who are proliferating small arms and ammunition and chemical weapons across the country would then now have a free day anyway yes yes very important question that oh mr right we're good to have you back okay okay so the point is this our government should be sincere enough to understand how to run an administration if they don't do this if you have something you want to ban you cannot say they're illegal they have been operating for years remitting money possible to be fed a government and now you're calling them illegal that's that's that's not right that's that's funny now why are you taking for granted now you don't do that okay so mr right bit um we know that's not force you know when I went through their their you know aims their objectives their mission and all of that they're saying that they're set up to combat you know proliferation of small arms you know importation of weapons and all of that and we know that but the worsening insecurity in the country this is something we've seen we've seen pictures of you know truckload of weapons you know just being transported from one part of the country to another if you know an organization like nat force that's their job and you used to check things like that so if nat force has been disbanded do you expect the government or the ns in the coming days to and to announce a new nat force a new group that would you know be charged to do that I mean what really would be done to fuel the vacuum by an organization that checks illegal i'm smuggling first of all calling them illegal is wrong they have been legal that is what they have set up for so the ns we should go and apologize to Nigeria for that wrong pronunciation that is one two in announcing it instead of directing the dg to go and announce it which he has power on behalf of the president to direct the dg to do so is also very wrong now sadly the nat people whatever their name is i have not even seen the work they are doing they say they are here for proliferation this is this how many arms have they picked up yes arms are flying everywhere we are the unknown men getting out we are both around getting out where our heads men getting out which means they are not even effective you understand the problem everywhere problem everywhere for them problem everywhere for them now my point is also this by the police act the inspector general police reserve the right to create practical things of which they are doing they have anti smuggling in the police they have anti d anti robbery anti kidnap anti vandalism anti pipeline anti this anti that e crack oppression they have oppression crack oppression pop other the id kids opening commissioners of police in different states also have the mandate that they can create practical things on their own and they don't have a drug law in the police so they have anti drugs they have a unidice in charge of drugs they have all those things in the police i will see them in Nigeria so i begin to wonder i don't understand though and they don't compliment each other they don't compliment each other so i think the national security advisor should just sit down and call for professional in security angles and let them explain all the challenges they have in Nigeria and while explaining those challenges they should also extray all the security agencies in Nigeria and the powers they have in terms of creating tactical team and special force to tackle such crimes they should extray and advise him properly he is also an advisor but he should first of all advise him so that he can have work to advise the president okay so that we don't have all this rubbish uh someone coming on today tomorrow someone who mentioned this and mentioned that these things are not comfortable at all all right mr ripi we understand your perspective thank you very much for coming on the breakfast this morning to discuss the dismantling of illegal security outfits thank you so much all right so that's where we wrap it up for today mr ripi really wasn't having it regarding you know how you know anything called them illegal the basically whole process of the announcement really he felt should have been done right and really the mirroring of each other regarding different security agencies doing the same one job still that crime seems to thrive yeah that just is a big issue which which is actually very funny because there's so many like he said you know the the police has its own branch for corruption has its own brand for drugs has its own brand for autism drug anti-corruption anti-vandalism you know at the same time we have you know all the agencies that are still set up to do the same thing yet those crimes are just not working you know and good question he also asks what has the net force really been doing with the level of proliferation of small arms and ammunition and smuggling in Nigeria today you mentioned you know that every now and then we see of you know weapons being found in some container but that is really by immigration constant on immigration and not by net force so what exactly I think another thing is maybe we want to even read the statement from the from the NSA does it not then seem that the excuse for the disbanding of this group is not even tenable because this they're talking about says not illegal roadblocks when we can actually look at is this group even effective you know are they actually doing their job you know that seemed like even something that's more credible for 900 to say oh they're actually not doing their job they're not effective at doing this but saying they harass Nigeria to stop people setting up roadblocks it's I don't I don't really know about but made mention of mirroring of different agencies you know and it feels like you know every now and then they set up a new one you know to create employment for new people you know it's not because they actually have work to do even with this not false there are people who I mean go and check net forces website you see news flash we're not setting up we're not carrying out recruitment it's fake you know this and that it's just so it feels like they just set it up you know to give somebody posting government and make somebody DG you know maybe employ a few people and pay them salaries and these people don't go to work they don't have any jobs that they go to every day and how is it that you know the day after the DG is saying that they are setting up a framework with 3D work is really extra they're coming to train you know and the NS is so it really just sounds and I might be wrong and I would I would love to be wrong here it really just sounds like an agency was created to give somebody position you know what have you been doing since someone not to know since retirement but yeah come on take this come and take this I really just have to do some digging about not to find out okay when were they created what was the law that was the letter you know their creation Tom Polo was giving contracts and all of that I couldn't get those information during Goodluck's government Tom Polo was given contract you know for safeguarding pipelines and all that all those infrastructure and so every single you know security challenge that we have in Nigeria has an agency that is created to solve it yes you know but you know the problems to you know none of them yeah you know and we hopefully would find out more about all of this mess and the drama concern yeah hopefully we can get the last not first DG to expand his own side of things hopefully we'll see all right that's where we wrap it up for for today thank you so much for starting our week with us we want to wish you a great and productive week ahead and of course if you missed out on any of our conversations you can join us on our YouTube and Facebook and Twitter as well and it's like because I mean the conversation our people are saying they're able to Twitter our 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