 Hello! Everyone out there. Welcome in to the most prestigious show on Retro Tech YouTube, this fun and Friday evening. And first off, I want to make sure that we are live, so if there's a live soul in the house, can you please give us a little confirmation in that chat room? Oh, you're going. I see the stream. You're going. We're going. Good. So sorry about that delay. However, again tonight, we're going to talk about the most prestigious of all gaming systems, the Neo Geo. And I thought why not bring on, why not bring on my good friend, the expert, Mr. Ape Batesquire. And of course, you know, before the stream actually went live, we were sitting here talking to ourselves for two minutes in stupid, gaudy character. And so now we'll just come live to everyone because I see the chat catching up. We're here. But they're like, yeah, you're drunk already. I haven't even poured anything yet. They just, I already, like I missed my cue. I was, I was grabbing the bottle off the boxes and it doesn't really matter. Yes, Mr. Nutter, that was a wonderful introduction. You know, a couple of one percenters like you and I, there's really nothing that can satiate our palette for video games, much like the Neo Geo AES. And really, I don't think any of the peons that are joining the chat right now could really comprehend the magnitude of the Neo Geo AES really only sophisticated, distinguished gentlemen like you and I could really talk about it in this type of capacity. So I think it'd be great to let the commoners in, let them behind the curtain see all of the 24 bits of power that the SNK Neo Geo AES can deliver. And maybe just maybe if they have the wherewithal, I doubt it, given their feeble brains, but maybe they have the wherewithal to maybe learn a thing or two this evening about the awesome power of the Neo Geo. And, and you're, you brought an ale of some type. You brought an ale. Oh, no, no. This is not an ale, my friend. Yes. This is, this is only sophisticated stuff we have here, remember? So, of course, let the Neanderthals drink their Bud Light. Yes. Come on now. We got to have some kind of distinguished. I've got a dual cask and of course finished, finished in a French oak barrel, straight bourbon whiskey from the filibuster distillery. So that's what I will be pouring this evening. They serve that at my club. Lovely. Of course, they would. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because it's only the good stuff for the good club, you know, so that's of course, that's course. We sit around, we talk about Neo Geo. We talk about how only real gamers play with HD retro vision cables and things of that nature. No, no, nothing from, nothing from Ali Direct here, nothing, nothing from Amazon. Just the best. Oh, yes. So let's, let's talk a little bit because let's be honest. The people who tune in tonight, they are, they are extremely lucky to get this view behind what we shall call the curtain because, you know, I've spoken with a lot of people high up in the Neo Geo AES collector community in circles. And these are the kinds of people, you know, you can't just look them up in the phone book, you know, so they're, they're very pleased with your, your, your perception of the AES and how that collection continues, continues to go to the moon. Well, you're, you're getting a little too close to the line here because you can't talk too much about the collector community. We will find you and we will kill you. So let's, let's, uh, sell it to the app or another. Yes. Salute. Salute to that. Yes. Salute. We have a lot of people that have joined us. Oh, I see Neo Alec, my friend, Neo Alec is here. That's great. Well, excellent. We got doobs and alzher here. He's in the house. Awesome. We've got a lot of guys in here. So this is great. I hope everybody's drinking tonight. Yeah, hopefully you got your kids put away to bed if you have them or maybe your neighbors, they got their kids to bed early. And we don't have to load up drinking. Oh yeah, let's see. My, my, my law partner brought back and I'm not trying to be in character like literally this is the this is actually the shit. He went to vacation in Hilton Head and he brought back this thing called Anita's Choice, a six grain bourbon whiskey. It's fucked almost 100 proof 99 proof. And it's, it's good. It's got a good spice to it. I'm going to be good and liquored up. But I'll do my best to not swear within the first 10 minutes. Well, you've already done it. You already swore I did. And I think it's only five minutes. So it's five. Yeah, thanks to our fantastical entrance. We're good. So yeah, basically, I think maybe something's going on here. Nope. Okay. Anyway, as I speak about the Neo Geo AES, I'm going to demonstrate it for you on the peasant version, right? Oh, the peasant version. I wouldn't know the peasant version. So this is probably the version. Most of our viewers are used to is the Chikara version. So but anyway, I have a actually I'll swing your view around so you can see it this little pvm. So the reason we were on the reason we were on a slight delay this evening, folks is I actually had a Sony pvm 14 L two set up on the cart here and it was going and Roger and I were getting set up for the show at two minutes before we were supposed to be live. It just stopped working. And so thankfully that happened before the show started. So I was able to swap it out with this Olympus. And you know, it's interesting. This one is one that's from Japan, Roger. It's not really. Yeah, it's it's an OEV that's from Japan. Like if you look at the back label, it's in, it's in Japanese. And the OEV doesn't have a J at the end of its model number. If it is Japanese, I don't think it does. No way you could tell us if yeah, it's in Japanese on the back. That's a yeah, this was one of the ones that I unboxed from the same box, you know, that you had from the Japanese shipment. So it survived and that's what I'm using. And yeah, this ROM just seems to keep dying or something. So it's not a very good ROM that I have here going. So anyway, it's it's so bad. It's just it just craps itself out. So we'll get something else on there. But we'll get started. Just really coming in to hang out tonight, everybody. And I think that Roger confronted me with something that maybe we should talk about once we get a good drink or two in because I think we are gonna talk about that. I think it's funny. I mean, why not? Right. It's a circle. Well, I didn't clear it with Lewis. I should have. Well, right, I guess, right? So we could just we could just we'll just say it's not Lewis or something, right? No, I remember at that point. It's Louise. Louise. Louise. Yeah. Too bad. Lewis is good at bed at this hour. We're actually catching him at like three in the morning. So Salud to Lewis. But anyway, let's let's get it to the the Neo Geo and I want to say congratulations on another awesome video. I watched it and it was hilarious. I was watching it and all of a sudden it started screwing up. I think I got like 15 minutes into it. And it was simultaneously the same moment you must have pulled it down. Oh, because then it was saying YouTube has removed this video. And I was like, oh gosh. And so I thought, let's talk about what as a new YouTuber, what was the instance that made you do this? Let's I'd like to know. So okay, some context. I'm going to go way back. I have the full support of my wife in making this content. I wanted to make sure I cleared it with her first because it's such a time commitment. And I didn't want her to get upset that I was spending so much time editing and filming and all that stuff. And and she said, well, how long do you think that the episodes are going to be? And I said, Oh, I don't know, maybe 1015 minutes at the most. And she's like, Okay, well, yeah, that's that seems easy. That seems like something you could do. So I made the first one. And the first one was like a half hour, just under a half hours, 29 minutes. And she's like, Hey, what happened to 1015 minutes? I was like, you know, it's my first episode, you know, I kind of have to get the series going, you know, I got to get you know, plus, we're talking about Famicom and I got so much to say about it. She's like, Okay, okay, okay. I said, but the next one, the next one's gonna be short. And then I get to going on this one. And she's like, How long is this one? I'm like, it's, well, I got Scarlett Sprite stuff. He I gave I told him to do like one, two minutes and he gave me like five. Well, how much? Well, how much is it? I said I'm up to 37 minutes. He's like 37. 37 minutes. And I said, Yeah, I'm at 37 minutes. And so anyway, so I'm putting in all this time. And like, Steve, you probably can sympathize with this. Like when you're when you're making a video, like when you're first making your your a roll, and you film it, and you're done with it, you're like, man, this is, this is crap. This is gonna be so bad. No one's gonna like this. I'm gonna be I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna publish this and I'm gonna quit because it's gonna be so bad. And then you start shooting your b-roll and you start getting your game clips and you start editing it together. And then and then like two thirds of your editing process, you're like, you know, this actually isn't half bad. This is pretty good. And so I got like to the point at the end where I was like proud of it, because it felt like a really big improvement for my first episode. And I went to encode it. Because I wanted to encode it. If anybody so if nobody does any video production, like if you shoot, if you shoot too much without enough light, you'll get a little bit of a grain. Sometimes you'll see a little bit of noise that shows up in some dark areas of your image. And I use a free program called handbrake on the Mac and it's real easy. You just they have a little bit of a grain filter. And it kind of it softens the image just a little bit. But it takes away that grain. So it's a pretty good trade off. So I did that. And when you encode it, it shrinks down the file size too. So it takes less time to upload it to YouTube, which is great, because it takes long enough as is. So when I was done with that, I made the mistake of what when you encode it, you set what frame rate you wanted to encode at. And I shoot all of my a roll at 24 frames per second, because I want like cinematic look. And I selected 24 frames per second. And the problem is like all of my all my CRT footage, it's all in 60 frames, like all the special effects and overlays that come through, they're all in 60 frames. So anytime any graphics would come over the image, it would be a massive frame stutter because you have inconsistent frame pacing between 24 frames and 60 frames, and it was just a mess. So I watched it. And I it's like one of those like no one else is probably noticing it maybe some people are but that's all I can see. And I'm like, man, I just spent so much time and I felt so good about it and it's ruined. And I think I was on the I was like sending DMs to Bob at the time and we were talking about the video and everything like that. And and and I was just like, dude, I got to take this thing off. So I just took it down. I was like, whatever, it's been up for a few hours. I'm just taking it down and did it the right way. And now, you know, I'm I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. So I'm sorry that it interrupted your I had to go back and start over. I know, you know, you it's very difficult for me to click on that screen twice with my finger. Sometimes I go I go past it, and accidentally click the shorts. And I get stuck watching TikTok reuploads for 25 minutes. And I'm like, damn, where on my YouTube time go? So I'm so sorry. No, no, no, it's okay. It was a great video. And that's a funny thing to think about. And that's I laugh. Dupes has the right answer for me because I I've always had to film in 30 or 60 frames always just because of the CRTs. They're usually in the background. So I've always used that I've never used the 24 at all because it doesn't work right at all, you know, with the CRT. So it's a I mean, I really enjoyed the video. I just was wondering what exactly it was that caused you to pull it down because I didn't know if it was, you know, sometimes you could put something up and you know, anybody who's done YouTube for a while has probably had a notice where it says like something gets copyright claimed for some reason. You don't know what it is. I was like, God, Lee, did that happen? So so I got a geo who the guy with the big balls ad, he was like, you can't use my picture without asking me. You son of a senior editor from Electronic Gaming Monthly from like 1992. Oh, so yeah, so the you know, the Neo Geo like it was it was the super unobtainable thing for me when I was in this age group, because this would have been early 1990s, I would have been about 10, 11 years old when this thing was out. And my parents at that time were like on the cusp of being divorced. And so there was like, you know, I was I didn't have a lot of time in the game store until kind of a couple years after that. And I remember just sitting there with a friend. And he and I would always just laugh about man, could you imagine? Could you just imagine being like a Saudi prince? Or right? Or like Mark Cuban's love child? You're like, I could have had all the Neo Geo games. I want it right. So there was it was always something we joked about how it was just something we only and even in our area. It wasn't too often I would even see a I wouldn't even ever see a MBS machine very often, you know, it wasn't unless it was a hardcore arcade, because I was in, you know, the mountains of Virginia, and then down in Tennessee, you know, there was more in Tennessee around Nashville. But at the same time, it wasn't a big arcade scene or anything, you know, they're more into the cowboy boots and the boot scooting boogie and riding their horses, you know, play video games. What are you doing? We know what to do with you, boy. Yeah, get you down there, printer's alley. Put a nice print on you. Oh, yeah. So thanks for showing up to the Belmont and wrestling with gaming. Hey, man, that's awesome. Yeah, actually, I met I met wrestling with gaming and dubs at the convention in Connecticut. So that was fun. So hope everybody's doing well. Since then, that's the last time I've seen a lot of people. And MVS. So I had my local arcade was was at my shopping mall. It was right when you first walked in. It was right to the left. And there was no MVS cabinet in that arcade at all. The only MVS that I can remember growing up was at a Pizza Hut. And I don't know if I don't know if this was a thing with Pizza Hut, maybe because it was big and red and Pizza Hut was big and red, you know, and I'm talking like the old school Pizza Huts where you would go into the, you know, they had the big wooden booths all along the perimeter of the restaurant. And then inside you had that big salad bar right in the middle, you know, like back when Pizza Hut was the best, you know, it was like the greatest thing ever to go to Pizza Hut for the night. And yeah, there was an MVS cabinet. It was a two slot. And they bought this thing like right when they came out because it had it had Art of Fighting and it had League Bowling. Those are the only two games and that MVS cab was at that Pizza Hut for like six years. And it's still always had Art of Fighting and League Bowling. And like, you know, I'm your age, I'm nine, 10 years old. And I'm like, I don't want to play League Bowling when in retrospect, like League Bowling is the best game. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a great game. League Bowling is, is that's one of the actual MVS cartridges. I have four MVS cartridges and one of them is League Bowling. So yeah, League Bowling is a blast. But you know, when you're 10, you're like, oh, I want to play Art of Fighting because it looks like Street Fighter. And you get your ass whipped. It zooms in, you get your ass handed to you. And then you play it now. And it's just, it just doesn't hold up. Like it just doesn't hold up very well. At least I don't think. Yeah. Some of those early SNK fighting games are pretty tough these days. The first Fatal Fury is tough. It's just not, it's not fun to play. It just doesn't, but it's not until you get to like the real bouts and the King of Fighters, that's where those games are pretty timeless. You can play those whenever. Yeah, they definitely got better over time. Like those, for sure. It's funny, you bring up the Saudi Prince or whatever, because I had a guy in my comments on that video who says he, he, one of his best friends growing up was his best friend's family were, they fled Iran when the Shah was ousted. And the new regime, you know, this is like in the 80s. And the new regime took control. So he had this fan, I guess they were a very wealthy Iranian family. And he said we would go over to his house and in his basement, he had like a Mortal Combat 2 cabinet. And he had a Neo Geo AES. And I'm like, it's like Iranian Richie Rich, man, the kid had everything. It was, you know, he had a couple, couple arcade cabs and an AES. Like I couldn't even comprehend that. Like the only, nobody I knew had one. I mean, and I, I grew in a really super blue collar middle class town in Florida. But the only person I knew that ever claimed to have one was this kid. You probably grew up with a kid like this, like, no matter what you had, he would always try to one up you. Like he would, you know, you'd be like, Oh, yeah, well, you know, for my birthday, I got Street Fighter 2. He's like, Oh, really? That's cool. Well, for my birthday, I got Sega CD. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, that's cool. You got Sega CD? It's like, yeah, man. I got an EO Geo too. And I'm like, no, no, you don't know you don't know me as an EO Geo. Shut the f up. Yeah. He's like, no, man, I swear you should take a break. So that there's the the funny thing is, so there was this whole subculture that took off right away, where there is even people. I mean, there's there's jokes that they're still in the forums. You could go see pictures of guys who are in Neo Geo clubs in the 90s, you know, beefed up on crotch rockets, tank top shirts, world's gym, tan, ready to play Neo Geo, you know, ready to go to an arcade and they're like the ones who saved up and bought all this stuff. And let's face it, man, those guys back then, if they held on to their stuff, they were smart because nowadays that stuff took off almost like to a Bitcoin level, where some of those AES games that just are are superiorly never going to be anything that someone obtains unless they win the lottery. Right. Or that that everybody brought up that that contest that was always in on those magazines with like the the 55 inch projection television. Yeah, you win this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, they had all the all the consoles were propped up at a 45 degree angle and Neo Geo is just right there. Which I someone wrote I can't remember who put who put it on Twitter, but evidently, that was just a massive scam. Nobody ever won that. Yeah, nobody ever won that content. I thought that would be kind of like similar to that monopoly scam that was going on at Mount and McDonald's where that was all uncovered later years later to be basically a whole kind of a scam. So yeah, you know, so like personally, I had that yeah, like you I didn't have really there was like one store I could remember. And this would have been after I moved to the suburbs of of Nashville area. And like, there was a mall that had a really nice video game store there and they had, you know, a Neo Geo on the display. But that was the only one a yes, whatever game I can't even remember. That's the only one I had ever seen then. That was the do you remember? Like what you so you grew up? You know, we're talking like early 90s. So you grew up in Virginia at that time or you were in Tennessee? Yeah, so I would have been in Virginia till Yeah, till about 96. Oh, okay. So yeah, this is prime. So right before then I would have been in Virginia. And then the reason I saw it would have been a couple years later at this, like boutique shop where it was, they didn't have it right when it came out, right? They had it a couple years later. Right. Because like the shops in Virginia, I just remember going there and they would always be out of stuff. You know, that was that was always the thing it was always never in stock, never in stock. And they would never have a Neo Geo probably. The one the one thing I remember from, you know, there it was like, you couldn't you I couldn't I would never find one to actually purchase like, I remember there was a babbages at my mall. But even then like, I don't recall ever seeing any hardware or software there. But I, you know, there was an everything I've read it said that it was available for rent at, you know, various video stores. But I don't remember ever seeing it a blockbuster or any of the mom and pop video game rental stores that I had. Did you ever see anything I never did. No, I can't even see it advertised. I can't remember that. No, I not at all like, not and trust me, I was a kid who rented a lot of consoles. Yeah, I cared about my I cared about my blockbuster credit, right? I wanted to make sure my videos were returned rewound so that I could I was like yelling at my little sister, hey, make sure you had to go back and make sure they reround the tapes before they go and get turned in. So I know what like I would go in there and I remember renting a ton of consoles, but I never saw the Neo Geo there. No, never. Never. So yeah, I think I think we're I think most kids had the same experience with that's why I said in my video like it had a speakeasy vibe to it like you knew it existed, but you never saw it like you didn't you didn't know about it. I mean, you knew about it, but you never actually saw it. I mean, the only exposure we've ever had to it was just the MVS and we knew we could play those games at home somehow. We knew it was really expensive. I know the games exist. They're in GamePro. I see the reviews. Yeah, I've never seen it in person. And it was there was always you could always tell I mean always that the difference between a ported to console game. And I mean, like 99% of the time and an actual arcade version of the arcade version was always better. And the idea behind it and just like you said in the video, the best part was the idea and the marketing man, the marketing from that team is like full on balls to the wall 90s like they could do a madman version two probably about ad executives in the 90s and what the hell they were coming up with right by our product or you're a pussy like that's essentially what it was. It was great. Sorry, did I just demonetize you? Our products or yeah, you don't I mean, no, it wasn't even that it was like it was like no, this this this is actually better than pussy playing this machine at home. Right? That was the that was the thing. It was like, that's what I don't get like, I wonder if guys were like, Hey, dude, I saw you at the club last night, man, did you go home with that chick? And he's like, No, dude, I went home with my Neo Geo, though. I was better. I played I played baseball stars professional man. Hey, let me smell those fingers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, smells like that switch baby that micro switch. No, but no, but you know what though you open up those soft tops, those soft boxes for the you smell those things they smell awesome. They really do blasted with the new the new Neo Geo smell. I wonder oh man, you just came up with a million dollar idea the Neo Geo air freshener. Yeah. Do you want to smell what a $250 game smells like? Yeah. Oh, lovely. The smell of nostalgia. So hopefully we haven't lost every viewer. We lost every viewer so far. We probably gained them. That's good. My my count. My counter on this thing. It doesn't tell me how many people are there. I only know a chat. It doesn't tell me like the number of I'm looking at you got 23. Oh, well, hey, 24. Well, that's good. So hope everybody's having a fun time like we are tonight. So yeah, if we're going through you know, the Neo Geo again, and it was one of those things that you kind of always lived in the lore of your brain. And thankfully, like you said in your video, there's a lot of great options to play it now. But I can tell you, that was one of my biggest like things to try to find was at MBS. And right. The years I was doing this was kind of the years before anybody was making consolized MBS is there were a couple on eBay that were like $700 and apparently those are just like really shitty. So I'm glad I didn't waste some money on them. But that was what was available. And so I got extremely lucky and this guy, this guy who owns some arcades right outside of Nashville again, you know, in two of them, he lists on Facebook games that he had. I mean, he has hundreds of games. This guy's like a legend, right? He's his name is Jason Wilson. If anybody's in the arcade scene, they might have heard of this guy. I don't know. He's like supposedly used to be this kid prodigy. And in the 90s at like Street Fighter two or something. I'm not exactly sure he anyway is is you know, he's in the area with these two arcades and he just has them to fulfill like his collection. So they doesn't have to have them in storage. I could cost him less to run an arcade, an hourly arcade than it does to just keep them in a storage room. So he always gets these overflows. So one time I see on Facebook marketplace gosh price four or five years ago that he lists one an MVS big red four slot says says it's working. It's like 15 minute drive from me. And so I'm like all excited I message him right away like for the first couple minutes, I'm like, I'll come get it right now. You know, I'll come get it right now. It's like $250 was the price for it for the whole for the whole cab monitor cabinet had a good monitor had a working PCB in a four slot. The only thing was is there was a couple of I think the LED things were out, you know, the back lights, whatever, sorry, then and those are replaceable. I got actually kits to replace all that but that I got that from him. I went down there. And I literally had a jeep grand or whatever commander and I slipped it in the back. Thanks Dan B for the super chat. He says Jason Wilson. Super chat. Look at you. There you go. So Jason Wilson was a big game collector. Yeah, he he's a huge game collector like the dude. Supposedly the guy went I'll run into people like behind the scenes and I'll tell him this story that I got the cab from Jason Wilson like really I knew him from this and that. And he like he apparently went and called all the back the winners in the Nintendo power magazine that one that won the tournaments where they gave the way the cartridges to the champs and he called and he he called and bought those from like half of those dudes that were in it just like from from bugging them through the the mail and and hassle them through their way. Okay, he's got a bunch of them and he sold one for I think the most you know money he goes to these the show I do in October. He that's in Nashville he goes there and he has like who knows how many machines he brings he sets up a whole pinball tournament. And it's like Roughneck pinball tournament. It looks like something out of the movie. God what's that over the top you remember that's the lone movie. Yeah, it's like a trucker. And it's like 1980s arm wrestling. It's like that rough crowd in pinball room in this convention center. And it's he's the one who runs it. But that's the guy I bought this machine from. And I mean, I remember going in and looking at it and I was so stoked and he was he was such a big shot. He didn't even come down and sell it to me like he had an employee from the arcade meet me at his storage area. And he's like, Yeah, just sell the machine, make sure you take all the games out of it. And I'm talking I'm like, Hey, man, can I talk to him for a second? And he say yeah. And so I talked to him on the phone and I'm like, Hey, man, I don't care. Can you charge me extra? There's coal right there. Can you charge me extra? And give me at least one game to play. And he he said, Oh, man, you don't want to do that. And I said, Well, I got to have something to play. He's like, Yeah, but you can't do that with these games, man. I bought this machine. He's like, I have 10 of these machines. I don't need the machine. I bought this machine specifically because it came up for auction and it had these three games in it in the four slots. And each one of those three games was worth an MVS was a $3,000 or more game. Just the game cartridges. What was in there? I do not remember at all. But they were like really, you know, those fighting games that no one really plays that again, it's something that is just kind of rare. So again, they they get up to where's neo Alec like 1500 1500 to $3,000 for these games or something. And I'm sitting there. I'm like, No, no, you're right. I can't do that. But I was the thought of finally getting this machine and then not having anything to play on it was killing me. And he's like, Look, just come down to my other arcade. And I went down there and he sold me. He sold me fatal fury three and super sidekicks. Like I can't remember which one. And then finally neo turf masters, which that's all you need. That's all I need to get started. That was awesome need. And I was like, And it was like 100 bucks for all three of those games. And I was like, Yes. And so that's how I got mine. I had that. But man, since then that thing like the board has crapped out on me. And so I had moved everything to the Mr. Cade now. It's just too much easy too easy fits right in that cabinet. I can play any MVS game easily on that. No problem. Plus a bunch of other stuff on there. So that's kind of what it goes to. That's why I that's why I asked Joe to do the video with me because you know, he's he's captain Neo Geo, right? So I mean, he's got the he's got the complete set. He's got the complete MVS set. He's got the big red. He's got the consulized MVS. But even despite all of that, I knew he was such a huge fan of Mr. Cade. Because it yeah, it's just it's replaced it like there's no there's no reason to have all that crap anymore. I mean, it's cool to display. I mean, it's certainly a you know, keepsake. I mean, it's it's cool to have all of that stuff and to show it off to your friends. But you're never going to play any of it. Mr. is just too it's too easy. It's just too it's too convenient. And and yeah, I'm really glad that he threw that in there in the video that that's kind of his preferred way to play. And he did. I didn't ask him to do it. But he threw in that frame by frame comparison between an MVS and a in a Mr. And they're like they're like for like on the frames. And it's like, okay, why would you shell out all the money for all this stuff? It doesn't make any sense. I mean, it's cool. People are age. It's walking into a room and seeing a big red MVS like that. That does something for you. But I think for the vast majority of people, it, you know, that are younger than us, it probably wouldn't matter. I mean, it's still it's still really cool. But like you said, the thing is, it is just so easy. So let me give you a little breakdown of what I had to do before, even if everything was working in that machine, I would get my four slot. And you'd power it on and one of the games would always never start. And it would be like doing the Nintendo frickin, you know, NES cartridge jam right times 1000, because you're popping all this shit open from your cabinet, trying to, you know, move it in and out, you're doing this. And sometimes it just doesn't want to power upright and it's completely frustrating. And the mister comes in and the Mr. Cade comes in and probably these other types of things that are like the Mr. Cade, I haven't gotten to try anything else because I bought that a long time ago. I haven't needed like the second also alternative to the Mr. Cade that's the other arcade boards. But you get it in there and it works, you know, you set it up. It's incredible. I've got it hardwired to my ethernet. So it just, you know, I go in there, I've got what I did was if you plug it in through the JAMA connector, and that there's a JAMA adapter, you can go check out Joe's video for all that stuff if you're interested. You get that in there. And then I'm able to also include an HDMI monitor that I have mounted on the wall beside that I can move in either Tate mode or four by three because it's on a swivel. And then I have an external pad, right? And then I can also use a keyboard and I could do any updates through the HDMI in it because it disappears on the analog screen when I do an update. So it's, you know, like you now I never really get under there and start unless a USB device isn't working. That's it. And before it was just such a hassle. And then all you're always waiting for this gear to finally say it's done working for you. So how many so how many MBS cards do you have then? I'll go get my little four stack. I'll show you. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Oh, show and tell time here. I'll fill time here. I'm gonna I'll read. I'll see if there's any questions here from the from the chat. Wow, we got a lot of stuff going on in the chat. All right. I don't really. So I don't really have much that's, you know, it's great. You know, it's great whenever you bring up Neo Geo. It the chat always devolves and everybody just talking about their collection. Yeah, always. Right. Exactly. So people are like, because nobody actually wants to listen to this, but I'm now in a group, a fellowship of people that actually want to talk about this shit, you know, so I got to get it off my chest. Right. Yeah, get it off your chest. Tell everybody. Tell the world in the chat how you do this. So my wife doesn't want to hear about magical drop to okay, so right. So these are the two. I try I think I gave the other one to a guy for something to test. He was building a console. I know I'm sorry. It's a fatal fury three and a Neo turf masters. Okay. And then this is the other one which I was telling you the only other one it's it's not even in English. It's the but it's the league bowling. And you can see where it's got that Daisy chain Jack right there. Yeah. And so you could Daisy chain the carts with another card in another MVS machine and do like a big tournament if you wanted to. And then I have this lousy. So old school 161. So I had all these after a while. I bought that fancy or expensive Neo Geo cartridge for my MVS. And then I was just like after I got the mistrust like I'm just done with this stuff and I sold that multi cart the other the good one I think it was a dark soft or something I can't something like that. Yeah. So you know Neo Neo Alec chastise me's I couldn't bring up dark soft and I was like yeah I know I know I didn't really I didn't but I brought up Terra onion and I feel bad because there is or even the I guess even the adapter I guess right there are some aftermarket did you bring up that I brought up the adapter like very briefly very brief. That's fine. I mean what do you want an hour. Do they want an hour. Right. I gave you 37 minutes people with your next episode is going to be two hours and your wife's going to strangle you. So your career is over Mr. You're going back to the I was sending you to the judge. Somebody told me the somebody commented that the adapters don't even work for certain board revisions. Okay. On the five on the on the board revision that takes the five volt power supply it the converter won't work which I thought I never knew that never I thought I thought the converters were universally worked with every AES that's maybe somebody can tell me whether or not that's the case or maybe this guy was just feeding me BS but but that I was kind of blown away by so what I want to do I did announce what my next trial will be at the end of the video that I got two videos that I want to do before that though I want to do like a when I call it on appeal where I basically just say here's all the crap that I effed up. Okay. In my last video and then I get to read comments and ask questions and engage with the viewers and all that stuff. So that's a good idea. I like it. I mean I you know in the other video I want to do is I want to do just like a just a gratitude video like I'm I mean I'm nobody right. I have 500 friggin subscribers but in just a month I've gotten this much positive feedback and I'm just I'm just blown away by it. You know I just I cannot believe how much positive reinforcement I'm getting from the entire community everybody that's watched it. Everybody has great things to say and I think I'm getting so much engagement on the videos just people commenting and liking and talking about it that YouTube is I'm getting fed through the algorithm like you know you see the analytics like what you're looking for is you want viewers to come through you know YouTube's recommendations and I think like 43% of my views now are coming from the algorithm. So I'm I'm blown away by that you know I right. Yeah I'm just I'm just so just grateful for it. I'm just humbled by it but so I want to do a cool video like that for just to say thank you to everybody so but yeah that that's one thing I want to talk about is is I'd like to do some sort of kind of like after show video where I just talk about some of these more important things that I forgot like I didn't talk about Darksoft. I didn't talk about you know the geo CDs. I didn't talk about Neo Geo CD. Oh my God. Dude from the Famicom video. Okay. The Famicom video the not guess what the number one thing is that everybody gave me shit about like I can't believe you didn't talk about this. Guess what it was. No idea. The frickin sharp twin Famicom. Oh well. Yeah that's like the boner for everybody who wants it. Dude sharp twin Famicom guy can't stop talking about the fucking sharp twin Famicom he just can't like he loves it so much every sharp twin Famicom guy doesn't have just one sharp twin Famicom they've got all the sharp twin Famicom's all the different colors and all the in all the variants and it's like I can't believe you didn't bring up the sharp twin fam. I'm like I wasn't talking about that. Anyway sorry. That's okay. Tangent. All right. Tangent. I'm what about what about hyper what is hyper Neo Geo 64. Does it. Do you know what that is. My buddy came out with the new hardware and it sucked. I would certainly say just emulate it but there are weirdos out there who you know have the board they have the games they. It's just it's just it's a it's it was the nail in the coffin for SNK is what it was. It was SNK saying we got to do what Namco does we got to do what Sega does we got to do we need to do 3D and board they have the games they they they want to play that on original hardware. I somebody out there could probably tell me how many games there actually are in the hyper Neo 64 but it's not many. I want to say it's maybe maybe half a dozen. So it's like one of those. Yeah real weird things that are obscure. Yeah and none of the games are memorable. It's just not worth your time. Yeah just emulate that bad boy for sure. Yeah. And then Kenny also Kenny Latterdale also asked about the Neo Geo pocket color. Now I did have I do have one of those. I do have one of those and I have a Neo Geo not pocket color not color just regular pocket and I actually like that. I mean it's it's always satisfying that clicky little sound this. Oh yeah the clicky sounds on there and the fact that they migrated that to a handheld is the greatest thing on the planet. It's just pretty amazing how the fighting games are so good to with just two buttons. Do you have like oh you have a nice screen on yours. Is that backlit screen. I had my modded. It's a it's a backlit LCD. My buddy Mobius protected it. It's cool. And it's you know what though the who makes it retro HQ makes the flash cart for it. And it's I mean that's a must buy. That's a must buy. Which one do you have. Is it. Is it one that lets you play multiple games. Like how many games. Stupid. I got one that only gosh I only got the one that I had when it was available. I bought was it only lets me flash like two games onto it. It's a real pain. It's it's original one but it's the flash master is the one I have. Oh no no no no no. Well you know what though but I have so I think this is what I have is the the game drive. Okay. There we go. Neo pocket drive. Okay. Yeah it's from retro HQ. Yeah yeah that's better. The guy and I can't wait for a 7800 cart. I cannot wait for that thing. Man I am so pissed at myself. I sold my 7800 like five years ago because I used to come across Atari lots like nuts like crazy. And ever since I sold the last one I've never seen another one that's been like for sale. And it just drive me nuts like ever since then because you know it's it's always great to have the 7800 because then you can at least test the 7800 games also and the controller is better. Right and he played 600. You know what's so great about the the 7800 game drive that is coming out. It has it's like the RGB blaster on the Famicom. It's like Chris's OK RGB Blaster which is cool about it. It's got yeah it's got a Dink connector on the back. So and because the 7800 is one of the few consoles out there where there's just not an RGB modification available for it. The best you could you've ever been able to do so far is just as video. So now you actually have RGB which is kind of cool. It's not really that necessary on something like that. No it's not. I actually if you're playing on a CRT. Yeah it's like the difference between RGB. What are you doing over there. You got a big bright light coming up on your face. We think we think I'm masturbating here. So no I was showing you. You got the car. I'm showing you that I'm a big hot dog and not a little weenie. So no so on this one you you load up your SD card and on your SD card. You can I just fucked it up. You load up all the games on the SD card but you have to flash the game in the memory. Yeah this one you can only you can only flash you know two or three games in a memory. So it's pretty similar to what you have. But I don't know it just loads up really quick. I got metal slug going. It's it's great. It's I love I mean this game and people they don't play it no like instantly they'll want to compare it to the Game Boy Advance but I mean compared to the Game Boy Color which is around the same time. Yeah I feel like that. Yeah that's that's a little stretch. The Game Boy Advance was a lot had a lot more going for it. Then yeah then the Neo Geo pocket was but it's still yeah I think it's a cool handheld. It's one that I've got that literally sits on like a display. It even has a little Neo Geo like thing. It just sits in there. I never play it. I mean I actually went through recently and loaded some new games and just played it for a couple of minutes and but there's just so many different other things to do after a minute. You're like OK cool fun. Glad it still works. Put it back. Yeah that you know and that's the problem I think with flashcards too is is you know you just you feel so your your tolerance for getting bored is so much lower because you're just like OK I'm not going to stick with this. I'll just go to the next game and whereas if you only had like four games you would just play those four games you know and that's but yeah the library on the Neo Geo pocket is it's it's it's really yeah well the Kenny Lauderdale did bring up a good point I actually forgot about this. I saw it when I turned it on without a cartridge in it. The Neo Geo pocket color does have a built in horoscope and it predicts the future. Yeah. Yeah it does. I put my my my card in or I've turned it on and it was the right date like still the right date. So yeah it was it was an awesome. It has some really cool stuff in it for that 90s handheld. I don't I don't consider it a failure really or anything if some people you know would say that I like it over a game gear. Oh God. A game gear like if you don't have your game gear modified you can't play the damn thing. I don't know how I don't know how we played it back in like 93 94. Yeah. Yeah. You got a horoscope. You got your calendar. You could have a it's like a little PDA. You know you could you got you could set your world clock you set an alarm. Yeah it's telling me it's oh no I forgot to put this on daylight savings but I don't know it's no I love it. I love this. So I had I had a good story about my MVS after I got it back. I could only keep it in my garage and if you go back and watch some of the I think YouTube used to have a search by like the oldest date of video. I don't think it does that anymore. So it's probably harder to find but you know the earlier stuff you could see me I actually show myself going to get in this machine and bringing it back. But I invited my friend over who I was telling you that we used to talk and joke about the me MVS I was like dude you've got to come over. I finally got an MVS and the games and we can play it in the garage. You know was this the guy you blew the transformer with. Yes. So is this the story. You just ruined it. You jerk. No. So well that but that's that's what we did. Yeah we were in there. You're in reruns right now man. That's what I was telling you. Yeah well that was a Neo Geo story. Well tell the story again. Tell the story again. Maybe some of this audience didn't see it. You know. Yeah. Sorry. You did it. No the yeah. So I invited him over. We played some games and I also had like five other CRTs running just showing off stuff with games for the kids that they were just playing and we got another super chef from Dan B the Jessica made game gears. Yeah. So yeah we'll talk about that but the in a second the the so they did with the long story short we started playing so much power was going. It sounded and we started hearing this sound outside the garage that was just like a loud bang like a pin hammer against a big panel of steel like vibrate it. And I was like I don't know what the hell that noise is. And I'm like we better shut all this stuff up. It sounds like it's coming from the power pole. And literally as we were watching it they just boom a big hole blew out the side of it. Four of my neighbors come running outside saying what happened. We lost power and you happen. Yeah it's just too much. The mega that's what I'm saying. The first time we got together with the Neo Geo we literally blew up my power my street power transformer because of the mega power so bad ass. Of course. That's a giga shock is what that is. It's the giga shock. So let's go back. What do you know about the Majesco screens. Do you. I don't know. I don't know anything. I know that the Majesco is that a like a reproduction screen. No. It's so OK. It's one of like the magnifiers or something. No. So Sega started licensing out all of its hardware to third parties. In like the mid 90s like right around the end of that console generation like right before the Saturn was released and Majesco was one of the parties that that acquired a license and they started to make their own Sega hardware. That's where you started seeing the you know the JVC variant of you know like the what do you call it the Wonder Mega. Yes. You know that's where you start seeing all that kind of stuff and Majesco made their version of a game gear. And yeah Dan B is is he brought up something that I that I have read before in the past. I've never actually seen a Majesco made game gear that had a better screen. But I mean but yeah though those original game gears with just the you like that first gen color LCD. You had to tilt that in just the right way. You had to have it the brightness set just at the right way. You need to have just the right amount of room lighting just to make it look visible. Otherwise I mean the ghosting was still so bad on those screens. I don't know how we. And again it just it just shows like Nintendo. Nintendo is a successful company because they get the most out of so little. Exactly. They've always been the best at always always like the last time I recall that I mean it's been since the Super Nintendo the Super Nintendo was the last time Nintendo developed something where I want to have the best hardware available on the market when I put it out. Since then it's been how could I get more out of less. And the Game Boy was like a microcosm of that. It's you know I want to I want to make a compact console with just focusing on battery life. You know focusing on game play. You know a software library. And yeah it wasn't in color. It was pea green. But you could see it. You know you could you could see it. You just sit under a lamp and it looks fine. But the game gear. I you know you respect what Sega was trying to do. They were trying to do a full color LCD and and the bad the six batteries lasted 15 minutes and you couldn't you couldn't see the damn thing. So anyways. So but the game gear though the thing I remember too was everybody had a Game Boy because it was extremely affordable back then. And a reasonable option portably. Right. And they would have games tons of games. And I remember you could even go get new games for decent prices like even if you got a twenty dollar bill you could go get some game for your Game Boy. Absolutely. In the Walmart or the Kmart or whatever market and that ability then I felt like I can't remember the MSRP on the game gear but I felt like it was so much more that it was harder sometimes for like you know it was a lot easier for people to jump on board and get their kids that Game Boy for a long time just because the cost was so low. I don't know what I want to say the game gear was like one forty nine. Yeah. And the Game Boy was like eighty bucks. That's that's what I thought. Yeah. And then you had the links which was like two hundred bucks. Yeah. And then the turbo someone else mentioned the turbo express which it actually looks awesome. But that's actually a great handheld too. But there was there was I mean like again that was another thing where you met one kid who had it like I met one kid who had all the turbo graphic stuff and was really into it and that was it. And he was like the only one like in the school. But that's the thing is like you ever go. I love these posts when these people post these you know these old Toys R Us ads or these old Sears catalog ads and you see what NEC was doing with the TurboGrafx 16 like by 1994 like they had already waived the white flag. They're like this thing's a flop and you could get that you can get a TurboGrafx 16 or a Turbo Duo for like a hundred bucks. And it would come with like games you know and all of these games an hour worth one hundred and fifty dollars a piece. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I guess back then there was a period of time if you had a TurboGrafx 16 is like oh your family's broke. I get it. OK. That's cool. But now it's like you know highfalutin retro gaming caviar. Right. It's it's it's really the stuff you need to get. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't know anybody growing up that had a TurboGrafx 16. I didn't. It was it was you had either a Sega house or a Nintendo house. That was. Yeah. That was pretty much the majority of it. What. Yeah. I mean just and there's a whole generation of things. I really remember vividly you know like PlayStation coming out because that was such a big deal. And the age group for me too was when that was the first PlayStation was coming out. I think I probably rent. We talked about rented consoles. I probably rented that one. Gosh. I did ten times or something like before I could afford one because it was like three hundred dollars when it came out. Yeah. Two ninety nine was a real presentation. Speaking of three. Right. Didn't they just die this week. Pour one out for E3 man. There you go. So one out for E3. So on two cameras. Yeah. Now we've got this. I don't like. Here I wish I had the magazine out. I'm going to bring it up in a video that to me the gaming was at its peak. I had a game pro magazine and it was called the Big Bang. And it was the E3. It was the E3 issue of game pro. And it was it in and it was thick. It was Steve. It was the size of a phone book. It talked about PlayStation Saturn Ultra 64 Sega Genesis Sega CD Sega 32 X Tari Jaguar Tari Jaguar CD Neo Geo Neo Geo CD Game Gear Game Boy Game Boy. I mean I mean everything everything. They were like 19 different platforms at the time that developers were all publishing games for all at the same time. And and like you'd go to E3 and it would just be like it'd be overwhelmed with all the different options available to you. And gaming now is I've been railing about this on Twitter forever. Like the games are too big. They're too expensive. We have so few options now anymore. GameStop. Kotaku just gave GameStop ship because they said an investor call that the reason our sales are sagging is because there's not enough games to sell. I think they're right. Like there's just not enough physical get you know like only the triple A games or the double A games go physical. But there's just not enough of those games to play anymore. It's just there's just not many games. There's you know and if you look at all the you know like if you go on the switch they'll go oh we have several thousand games to play. But if you actually scratch you know go underneath the surface and you look at all the games in their digital storefront they're all crap. It's all shovelware. There's just not enough good games out there whereas you look 20 years ago 30 years ago. There's like hundreds of games on all these different platforms that are all being made. It's just it's just a shame to see E3. You know it's done. And there's no way it comes back from this. Right. Yeah it's not. It doesn't have a feeling like there would be any legit or legitimate reason for it to come back. Unless it was some kind of I don't know grassroots movement or something. But also I you know you never underestimate stuff. If some of the I mean gets bought up or something by somebody who actually wants to do something that people want to see with it then I feel like they could take that name and bring back and get you know what I mean. It's like yeah there's still some value there because now if it's gone away and somebody who actually wants to do something with it and put on a good show. But again it's got to be about a good show and I feel like at the same time like you said there needs to be this obvious point where these shows aren't always too about kissing ass. And I think people people maybe don't understand that but that's the reason nobody gives two shits about the award shows anymore except for the Ricky Gervais one because nobody cares about ass kissing anymore and nobody cares to watch it. And like that's what like our grandparents were into is watching some shmuck they really enjoyed like John Wayne get on stage and kiss everyone's ass. Right. That's right. But that's not what people want anymore. There there was a. I don't know when it happened per se but there was a definitive shift with E3 where it became less of a hands on exhibition of product for the consumer and it turned more into like a like a shareholders meeting. Yeah. You know where where we're going to have. Oh here's this VP of something or another he's going to come out and he's going to wear some suit that makes him look cool and he's going to talk about all of the new features of this graphical user interface of this new system and it's like and then the crowd goes crazy because it's like yeah it's Microsoft or yeah it's Sega or yeah it's Sony and and and but what made E3 great was going there and they had the booth girls and they had the games and they had the big fucking animatronic T-Rexes and they you know they had all that stuff and that's I feel like at some point maybe like maybe like the Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 era that ended you know and it just became a sales pitch. And now since E3 morphed into that that's where now you have like the what's his name that Jeff what's his name Jeff Knightley or whatever the guy who does the video game awards like he just basically absorbed all that with the video game awards and now he hosts like the you know it basically just turns into trailers on YouTube like there's nothing different from yeah and just watching trailers on YouTube and it you lose the connection between the consumer and you know that these companies that they generate excitement about video games like I I don't know about you Steve but nothing excites me about modern gaming anymore and maybe I'm just an old man that's just yelling at a call. Oh yeah you're just an old man. I mean what would you imagine what would you imagine that would excite me about any kind of modern video game right now. Does anything excite you like I don't know. Like that's anything excite me. Yes. No no no no no no nothing really does. I I'll be honest like over the last couple years like you mentioned there's a disconnect where these games are so in-depth. You can't. That's why that's that's why retro games are always going to be a thing. You can get in get a get a quick hit in nostalgia and like go back to reality but I would always feel like with these big production games it's like a season. Yeah it's like a season. It's like committing to binge watching a season of the Sopranos or something. It's like you're going to put in so many hours to get through just the cinematics and getting your character set up and figure in the game out and then it seems like the the genre of these games is a little bit repetitive. Right. It's like I went through today and was and checking out shows on TV and everybody now has a show about greedy money launderers. Right. It's like all of a sudden there was never a show about money laundering and now every other show is about money launderers and they're all stressed out and I was laughing. I was like whatever happened. I mean I know it sounds stupid but there must be absolutely no interest in just having boring family show anymore or something. It's all it's got to be like corporate espionage backstabbing murder everything. I just corporate espionage is the the open world game now. It's like it's like everybody's got one. You know you got to have 15 million side quests and yeah. So my modern gaming is a mess like right. There's so many I don't know. I can't think of a single. I used to actually like and enjoy sports games like Madden football games just like that back in the early teen two thousands and years up to that. But even that's gotten terrible and every year there's no competition anymore. That's right. There's no competition for Madden. You want to hear the next game is just crap. So yeah it doesn't. You can you can go back and play the old games but again there's no the modern games. It just does there's no I don't know who connects to him so much. I feel like I feel like sometimes I'll watch a trailer. Maybe I'll play that game and I'm even just watching the trailer for that game was so exhausting. I'd rather just go back and like you say play Metal Slug. The the only game the only modern game number one I don't have time for him. But number two the only game that's come out recently that I've looked at and I've been like fuck I really need to play that game is is Elden Ring like that looks really cool. I've not I've not been a big from software person like I haven't played any of the Demon Souls or Dark Souls games but I just look at that game and I'm like yeah that that feels like or at least it looks like like an old NES game to me like where you know it's it's open yet linear it's difficult but not unforgiving and you've got to work at it. That seems like a really interesting game. The last game the last game I really got into I think was I got in the cyberpunk a little bit when that first came out. I thought that was a pretty neat narrative. I think it was a missed opportunity as far as the story development went and just kind of like the whole open world and how immersive it was. I thought that was kind of a missed opportunity but before that was control. I don't know if you ever played control. I did play control. That was like one of the last ones. But again I played like five hours masterpiece. That was a good game. But the the problem was again I would get through the number like golly man I'm so far into this game. I can't keep going. I don't know. It's like almost a war of attrition and it finally like makes me tap out as like the old man I am like but no but there's games that do that. They just overstay their welcome like and I can I can appreciate them for what they are like playing Spider-Man the Spider-Man game. Is that like on the new PlayStation one. Yeah. Like I played that and I I appreciated it for what it was. Like it was I'm playing. I'm like I'm fucking Spider-Man right now. Like this is crazy. Like it looks beautiful and the combat was fun and the story missions were fun. But after about like 20 hours to just like are you going to end. Yeah. Are you you know you just overstayed your welcome. I'm good like I'm good with 60 bucks and 20 hours. I don't think that people I feel like people think that they're going to get shit on if they're going to make a game and it's only got 20 hours of content even if it's great. And I which is ridiculous. But you mean it's an hour game. There's got to be if it's got to be good. It's got to have some replay kind of ability probably to be there. But I'll tell you a game that I actually I thought of one that I did like that came out within the last year and it was the Shredders Revenge. Oh yeah. Well but is that a modern game. Right. That's more of a you know that's more of a playing off our retro nostalgia. Yeah. It's just you know. And I think that's an indictment really on modern gaming as a whole is that you know you look at a game like Shredders Revenge and this isn't in any way not to disrespect any of the programmers or developers that were on that game. It's I've played it. I played it with my son. He loves it. Yeah. But but it takes a game like that that is not pushing any boundaries graphically or anything like that. But that game was a massive hit last year. And the reason it was because it was so unlike all of the games that we have been subjected to in the last 10 years. You know. Well how many games how many games have been out that are like a remaster or like the master edition of like I felt like it's a regurgitation of the same game over and over and over again to what Sony did with the last of us. Like that was laughable. It's just it's just I don't get it like OK. I played I played this game twice already. You're going to re-release it again. Here's an idea. Come up with something new. You know. But I think that's I don't think I don't think that problem Steve is is I don't think it's exclusive to video games. I think that's a problem with just media in general. Yeah. Thank you. It's it's just it look at the movie industry. Look at the music industry. Look at television like you just said everybody has to have some sort of corporate espionage white collar crime thriller show. Right. Everybody wants to do the safe thing. And the safe thing is let's re-release it. Let's get this little girl away from the zombies again for the eighth time. You know like it's yeah. Right. I mean it's it's it's yeah it's difficult. But the funny thing was is we're talking about a system that regurgitated the fighting game. I mean King of Fighters. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm about to throw you out of the club. OK. Wait a minute. It wasn't regurgitating the fighting game because at the time the fighting game was King at that time and every year SNK was saying we're going to give you the best fighting game available in the market every single year. Here's a new roster. Here's a new game play mechanic. Here's some new soundtrack. Here's a new background. Here's this. Here's the new development in the story. And man I don't know if you've actually sat through and played through all the King of Fighters. Like you get an appreciation. Like every game does feel different. Like you would think it really people are going to think I'm crazy. But like if you play Madden you know Madden 15 16 17 18 19 20. It's all the same game. You know they may add a little thing. But King of Fighters if you play King of Fighters 94 and King of Fighters 98 those are two completely different games. Like even though it's the same characters they feel so different. If you play King of Fighters 97 and 98 they're two completely different games. They feel so different. Yeah. SNK SNK at that time was really on top of their game on. Yeah they definitely weren't doing the Madden thing where it's just like we're just strapping a new year on it. Just mailing it in. Mailing it in. This was about taking which I mean like you say a lot of this sometimes it's like are we going to take pride in what we do. And then and then we're kind of talking about the good games being these not really new releases. That's the same thing is like oh well I liked the movie and it was the movie that was the remake of a movie I liked 30 years ago. Right. Because that's a popular thing also. Like you said with media we're just not getting. There's so much of it and there's so much call for like quantity over really great quality. Right. It's like we need to have a platform that already has a library built and needs to have endless amounts of entertainment. But it's never like great entertainment. Right. It's not like amazing moments you're feeling usually. Alec in the chat just brought up a good point he said King of Fighters didn't even skip years during its bankruptcy. And that's true. Wow. That's true. We're going through financial turmoil here. We're looking for a buyer but we still got to put out a King of Fighters. We have to. It is manifest destiny. We know you know people were fighting to get on the King of Fighters team back in the S&K. They're like ultimate job security King of Fighters. They're like oh mom I made it to the King of Fighters. They're like yeah. My boy. It's the best series. It was. It's the best series. I still go back to the most that when I go when I go to which we can kind of joke about this if you want to or we can just skip it. But when I go to party or only the one time I partied in Brooklyn with the guys that have the arcade there in New York. Yeah. Brooklyn games. They know there. Yeah they should. They you know that's what they're playing mostly is King of Fighters and stuff and different things like that. And so it's fun to go in there and play. But dude this guy's like I get my ass whipped. And if I do like five of my forearms are on fire after like five matches you know. Like oh I don't know what I'm doing. I don't even know what I'm doing a little bit. I just can't. It's like I have no way near as fast as this stuff. So kudos to anybody. It's like amazing at that. But you just you just reminded me you didn't we haven't talked about the thing that we talked about before. Yeah I know that's what I say. So yeah like that's what I was laughing about. You know you posted something about. I sort of think about Louis being able to party and stuff and his like I couldn't believe he sent you that message either because he sent me a message like that earlier. It was so paranoid about it in the week. But but then I thought you know he probably doesn't care if the man posts a picture to your Twitter timeline of himself. That's true. And what the fuck was that. And a leopard thong with like his ladies around. Just blaze out of his mind. And he's like do you think I look messed up on this stream the other day. And it was just like oh my gosh Lewis. Let's get the audience in context. All right. Anybody is here. You get the exclusive one hour 20 minutes you made it in and you can get the funny funny stories here. OK. I'm four drinks in. Yeah. So here we go. We're going to talk about it. I start my day Wednesday with a direct message from Lewis who just had a live stream with Steve the previous day. And he says oh should I quote it. I should probably quote it. You should quote it. I should quote it. Because it is funny. And your Australian accent. Yeah. He's so fucking paranoid. He's he's going to give me shit about this. Oh he should. Yeah. He's going to say he says. Hey man. Do you think Steve and I were too high on the live stream. We had both been smoking pot. And for sure we were affected. I think streams are not a big issue. But we both smoked again before we talked to Robert Dale Smith yesterday. And I could feel I wasn't as present and I was not as structured even though I had done prep. By the way. And by the way this is at six oh four a.m. All right. So I'm on the shitter and I'm reading this. And and I read this and I go yeah man normally you're an excellent traffic cop on your pods. But man on that last pod you just let Steve cook for twenty five straight minutes. I could tell something was off and you by the way you were in the middle of talking about your drama in Florida about the fucking ex cop. And I mean like you just you were rolling. Oh yeah I was like you could sit back and let me tell this Florida story. It was like it was the meme of hold on let him cook. Oh I knew that was going to go on that was a long story. Oh you were going you were going and and Lewis I could just tell like I'm looking at Lewis Lewis like I give Lewis credit Lewis is an excellent traffic cop like he. When I say the best I mean I mean he's a guy that's like OK we're done with this topic let's talk about this topic and he knows how to segue and weave in and out he does a really good job of that. And he you know you could tell he does that for a living like in his in his actual profession but for that for this live stream that he was talking about he was so paranoid about like he lost all control of Steve. Like Steve was just off to the races. He's oh my gosh yeah so I don't know like I'm not gonna all right this is kind of funny right so I've not and I'm not I mean it's no big surprise big deal in my state where I live in the United States you're allowed to smoke recreational marijuana if you want to go here to yeah so like to me it doesn't really matter and I do smoke sometimes and like I'll but but like I will see some people and they just have stoned face right like you see them like I mean I've got a brother-in-law like this but smoking fucking weed for 35 years but he's still I don't understand it I'm like dude you've been smoking forever how do you still get that fucking stoned baloney face like where you see a guy and I go shit that guy just got baked well. I you know I could tell kind of I could see that a little bit of Lewis sometimes like that is bad but so funny right and I can tell it so I'm like you know I'll just call him down I'll tell him I smoke to and and and it doesn't matter and like I call him down and then for the Robert Dale Smith interview which I can't wait to see this train wreck I mean well Robert's a great guy but like I look Lewis showed up like boom like we're like this the time and I'm talking to Robert Lewis shows up he looks he looked like a fucking mad scientist his hair was his hair was sticking out straight his beard was out and he had stoned face and I'm like stoney baloney my goodness and I just started laughing I was like great now I'm going to have to go and what you said try to be the lead on here and I'm not good at that and so Lewis was like yes he didn't get to talk as much and I was like yeah because I didn't know I was afraid I was like I don't know what he's going to do he looked like he had he looked like he had just like been a yeah well not not like he had slept in like three days or something he looked crazy hopefully he doesn't get super pissed at us for saying all this stuff but we were probably will we were sorry yeah we love you like the it was it was just super funny because yeah like the the stream he was like oh my gosh and I just I was like dude you just just relax man we're just here you know chatting having fun it's like you don't you know you're not you're not performing brain surgery well but you guys were perform you guys were doing brain surgery with John lineman when John lineman shows up oh you guys are you guys are straight and narrow you know well that's what I was trying to yeah I was trying to keep Lewis in good spirits by that because I was like well you know it's like it's easier with John because we already had through four topics I've spoken to John a bunch before this so right it's like we've you know it's hard to interview in on podcasts and stuff is fun but it's it does generally take you know you take some time to build a rapport with somebody and try to do that quickly and make a show where you're asking questions was a lot of you guys go ahead you guys publishing that Robert I'm sure it's going to be coming next early next week probably Monday Tuesday is when he usually like Robert he's a he's a good dude yeah it was good to talk to him I hadn't like I invited him on the show like six months ago before he had his baby and so much stuff is happening between now and then and we finally got him on there but that's cool it's probably a good thing because he's done so much more in the last six months than as he though as he he just did that he did that new on thing that like four people are happy about that's what we were laughing with him telling him how is his like new on projects you know it's that's just one of those things you're doing and you're never going to make a cent off of you're just hoping no that is a passion project yeah you're hoping that some some alien life force comes back 5,000 years from now and somehow the new ones the only thing that can like save this society and thanks to Robert's controller work they can get it to do the tempest 3000 trick to save their world I don't know Robert Robert Robert made my dream come true now we're now I talked about that's what I was going to say because I thought this this was like before you and I had talked a little bit didn't you give him a did you were you the one giving him the hard time about trying to do that the bill I wasn't giving him a hard time I just I just like a bit does made a wireless receiver for the Genesis for the NES for the SNES why don't we have one for the PC engine TurboGrafx 16 like we should have one and Robert was a big PC engine guy and he's like I can make that and I was like really you could do that and he he was kind of like yeah I'll do something like that and I was like I can make that and I was like really you could do that and he he was kind of like yeah I'll do something about it retro frog was kind of like saying yeah I could do he had a he had to work around where he could do the NES adapter into the PC engine and I was like wow dude if you could do that that'd be awesome because I'd play PC engine with an NES controller it's fine what we have to figure out the turbo function but we'll we'll do it and but Robert was like don't fucking I'm gonna I'll figure out a way to do it and I think in about six months he did it and it he sent me a tester he's like tell me what you think like you kind of you know you got me inspired to do this and it worked flawlessly like it works really really great you know but I yeah I was fucking around on Twitter with like 12 other guys and and we were just writing 8-bit dough every day like make us a dongle give us a dongle give us a dongle give us a dongle and I got 8-bit dough to actually write me back and they're like hey trust me we're seeing your tweets we know about it we're working on it and you know but that was a year ago and nothing's happened so but Robert you know put filled a hole in the market yeah it sounds I mean did you ask him about it yeah yeah yeah we talked about this a lot of it yeah he's actually he's closing actually it's funny we should say that because I think that if anybody wants to get one he has like pre-order emails right now or pre-orders where you buy them and he's gonna he's got an order of 500 he's about to fulfill a second order of 500 of the PC to USB adapters and he we talked a lot about it basically he's got the idea to kind of use this I think it has to do with the new on stuff he did where he can use that on a bunch of other consoles like hopefully he said that he can hopefully what he wants to do now is do things like redesign he doesn't want to do or it sounds to me like it would be better for him to not have to do the 3DO to SNES adapter anymore he would rather which but yeah but he and he said it's just too much work to put it together so he would prefer to have the that to be USB also instead of SNES he's like it much it works much better it's easier it's easier to put together and you can do so much more because if you think about a 3DO is that you can plug in then you can start plugging in things like just a USB dock and then plug in as many controllers as you want and get all those daisy chain features that were in those games you could play like eight player bomber man or something but he yeah it was a good conversation but Louis was definitely Louis looked like he was on vacation like Louis was you know he I love it I'll you know Louis and I we it was but we've been on a good little role here but right before that he went on a vacation man he went to like Thailand or something and I went to Japan yeah what's Japan then he was back for like a week and then he went then he went to Thailand right but the Thailand trip I'm just getting pictures of like Muay Thai boxing and like grungy armpit of a fighting hall and it's him you know just drinking beer looking like he's having a blast and it's so interesting that you could sit here and you could see the humidity in that's what I was saying you could see him just like you know like just sweating looking crazy yeah so CD iPad CD I yeah I think that he might be coming up with a CD I thing on a cold day I don't know Robert that is but he said that the most you know he's I had to laugh a lot about his more recent project where he made the Fisher price controllers lose my life that blew my mind yeah he showed those off some he's a he's a talented dude because I mean I've seen that you know I got I got young kids so I go through the I go through the baby toy aisle I've seen that pad and what's good did he tell you about that pad like if you actually put in the Konami code with that pad it'll do like a special jingle it has like a little Easter egg built into the software no he didn't tell me that so it does that without like no modification no modification yeah if you just if you were to find it a target and take it off the rack and just do this do the Konami code it'll play like a little jingle because it recognizes that you're an OG and you know the Konami you picked it up yeah you'll probably buy it now just to show your friends it's like oh this is sell this to some middle-aged man so he could show his buddy that he found right you'll give it and you'll give it to your four-year-old and be like this is stupid like why how are you gonna do yeah that's that's that was a lot of fun talking to him and and we got into a great discussion once we got kind of warmed up with him where he has been diving a lot into the AI chat like oh yeah AI and not only that like he's using it to build him code plugins like all kinds of stuff like teaching it he said it's like a teaching thing but he we got a good discussion with him about that that was a lot of fun and how maybe the future of this is is I feel like it's going to be something more of like a personal assistant right where like you've got this amazing personal assistant that does all this extensive work that would that would take you hours to put together I mean you could imagine in your profession I could even think about it CRT repair if this if imagine if this AI was able to go back and watch instantly every single repair video on the internet about a CRT and give you a possible troubleshooting well so you know that it was good I think it has to learn that right that's what Robin was kind of thing and telling me that you have to kind of teach it almost to look at it a certain way but you you can see how maybe the future would be that the AI is going to be more of like a personal assistance how help yeah like like if you like you brought in let's say you bring into your shop like a you know like your L2 there you know I've got a 14 L2 how do I replace the flyback on that you know you type that in how do I replace the flyback on a pvm 14 L2 and there it is with the schematics and all that stuff and it tells you exactly how to do it step by step that'd be pretty cool and it's like teaching itself how to like if you say well mine doesn't power on what should I check and it's like again starts giving you a flow chart of things from the internet to check almost you know yeah yeah I mean I it's scary like I I signed up for it and played around with it for a little bit and I said I was I had a I had a document up at the time that I was working on and I and I just said okay let's see how it does with what I'm working on I put right a dispositive motion on rescission of a contract based on material misrepresentation and both it just gave me you know here's the standard here's the majority rule and most jurisdictions here's all the elements of material misrepresentation and fraud and this is how you can void a contract and I'm like this AI is smarter than you know most new lawyers that walk in that hey you know like yeah real yeah within within a within a minute I've got an answer so that was kind of scary but yeah it was still wrong right that's what he said a lot of it wasn't it's it comes back and it's sometimes it's just not right right now no I think but it's funny because I talked to Mike Chi about this and he he talks about just just coding and and he's kind of blown away by how well it codes certain in certain applications it can code really really well and yeah I would think for that you know that that labor market there probably a little freaked out by that you know you do CRT repair your your you got job security man I guess yeah I mean I've got job security I think but I think for a lot of guys that do most of their work in coding I don't know maybe they got something to worry about I don't know but it's I think that yeah if it's something that's been replaceable but from also the point of view from someone who has to rely on or needs to do some of those lower end tasks would say a bit it's like necessary work eventually I think it's going to get to where that AI gets better at what it's doing because it's so new right now they're already telling and people are already sounding the alarm on the stuff trying to scare people and I don't mean nobody knows right what it's going to be like there's so much the Terminator you know right so what did you what did you think is speaking to AI would you think of that AI artwork that I made where I tagged you and I looked like you know who I looked like in that picture the guy or not I was going to say no that was like the guy in Florida who got his ass whipped that was like that was like that guy looked exactly like the cop who got his ass whip from Chicago and that I was just I you know my wife was getting kind of tired of me bringing it up because I'd be like hey did you talk to your mom today all last two weeks she talked to your mom today she's like yeah what or yeah did she mention anything about you know that fight she say anything else happened she's like no she's not even there in Florida anymore she left a day after us so no she doesn't know stop but so I'm like getting on her nerves asking about it so I wanted to know I'm like man what happened that damn condo what's what's what's uh what's doob saying doob saying he's a software dev it makes his life easier it's nice to ask a specific question instead of spending hours on Google yeah I think and get usable code yeah that makes a lot of sense like as long as you're looking at it from the perspective of you you know it's it's a compliment rather than a yeah a full-on replacement then there's some good to it but as long as it makes you more efficient it saves time then then I'm all for it but oh you know I never have I never heard her I've heard her say birdie but that's about it I've never heard her say eagle I'm not I don't know if I've gotten a double eagle I mean I know I've gotten eagles but I don't know maybe that you have to hit one in from the from the out oh you're gonna hit one out from 200 yard I don't know if I've ever yeah that's yeah that's what I was thinking about with that stuff in and Robert said that chat GPT was not as good as he said he was getting more usable stuff out of the Bing he said the Bing version because the Bing version yeah because it's actually tied to the net the internet so it pulls from data from all over the internet and it pulls of cloud services or whatever I'm not sure yeah like he was I said I had never really used it it was funny you said oh you know the first thing I did was I got on there and I asked at every conspiracy theory question I could think of and then Lewis is like oh of course he did I was like Lewis was like oh Steve what are you going to do is like well now I'm going to go ask in every conspiracy theory and I'm probably never going to leave my bunker again thanks I'll never leave this concrete bunker again now thank you so uh but you know that's like that's a good comparison though you talked about the picture you tagged me and it it shows up with like it's it's like a freak with seven fingers right you know and it's so funny how do they come up with like how does it how does it generate this and then it's like oh we're gonna add four finger why the fuck does it add more fingers like that doesn't make sense to me that's the thing it's like it's like such like painstaking detail to like your face through facial features and all I typed in was CRT television repair man from the southern united states that's what I typed in and that's what came out and and yeah like the detail to his face and his clothing and and the CRT kind of looked like a something from like the early 80s but like from Russia like it just looks like from some it did it just it just looked off and it but you it was so plausible and then you get down to the guy's hands down to the bottom and he's got fucking nine fingers like you ran the ball 99 yards like it's like yeah one it looks like it looks like um what are they all did look like the you know CKM TVs that uh Lewis will find from the Soviet Union yeah that's what it looked like that's what they looked like so it's yeah it'll be interesting I kind of do feel we often talk about what's that next big thing and I feel like a this AI thing here has the potential to be one of those next big technologies that impacts people if it imagine if it did perfect things where it could you could literally ask it uh complex things and it can do a lot of these tasks efficiently oh and and I feel like what it's going to be like that five years from now everybody will have a new device or it'll be integrated into the newest smartphone where you know what the hell are you going to do that I mean I feel like then what are we going to do I feel like the next thing needs to be like holograms 3d modeling kind of projection out of your phone or something right where you can get a 3d image of something I don't know I have a I have a uh like a like a disaster mindset when it comes to AI like I I think of um you know you think of skynet terminator all that stuff that's like the easy thing to think of but I think of uh I really think of Wally if you've ever watched the Disney movie Wally the Pixar movie yeah like where we're all just fat and lazy and AI just gives us everything and we don't know how to function on our own anymore like we just have no idea and we just you know we're just floating around on our big you know barca loungers that you know that's all we do uh we just exist uh for the sake of existing because AI essentially rules everything I mean I I was freaked out by AI like 15 years whenever um remember when IBM had Watson and uh Watson played Ken Jennings on Jeopardy and uh and wiped the floor with them I mean wiped the floor with them uh at that point I was just like this ain't good like it's not I don't I don't subscribe to this at all like this is the beginning of the end I just you know you have that and you have the you have the um you know the deep fakes with uh oh my goodness we're like that we're just at the beginning of all that like video video video all the sudden video evidence like now means nothing almost yeah like you there's true good arguments for somebody saying that that's not me somebody used to AI of talented something to recreate me right like that is scary was touting disney was touting like oh well Carrie Fisher is dead but we still finished all these scenes in the Star Wars movie uh with Princess Leia and I'm like that's not cool like that's not cool at all like I don't like any of that uh did the Carrie Fisher estate sign off on that like it's just it's troubling to me I I have a serious issue with that uh I I don't know I and again I'm an old man yelling at a cloud but it it's problematic because like you said we're at the infancy here and and technology moves very quickly and where are we going to be in five years from now um you know I my biggest concern is uh just especially with all the misinformation that's in our media now it's just something getting out there that causes some havoc uh and well for example uh it could be very similar to something that happened with the original war of the worlds yeah right that was just a radio program that nobody was told was fake and people went nuts because they thought real aliens were invading because of just a dramatic radio telecast that was a you know orchestrated thing and so you know that with the the nature of people that there's always going to be something anything anytime you get this great step forward there's going to be a nefarious step in line with that also somewhere else yeah I may call me a pessimist but well it's probably true and I that's that's the only thing is like I hadn't talked to many people um I hadn't talked to many people that were like optimistic about AI before I talked to Robert so that's why I liked to get on the subject with him because most of the type people do not feel uh comfortable with most of the stuff and I feel like that's right no in that you know I guess I'm kind of looking forward to that conversation because yeah Robert's the type of guy who could give you that perspective but that no actually AI is good and here's why and and you know for what I do for a living I never I wouldn't have a benefit for AI so I of course fall back on the worst that might my worst fears uh about it um so yeah I guess I keep an open mind about it but uh I mean as we did there's no there's no right or wrong it's fun to talk about because we're in that infancy I feel like before it's hard it's sometimes you know it's also hard to see what's going to be the next big thing what's going to be staying and actually changing things or everybody like you know we're laughing um about doing youtube now uh you know what if we would all be better if we had started 10 years ago right just because of the natural chance of doing it in the time of repetitive behavior and just doing it all the time so right um it's is that something where like the more you get involved to the AI thing you're going to know and you might have a little bit of an advantage down the road I don't know I thought it was a fair point to talk about with Robert so that was fun and again it was fun to talk to somebody who's actually really into it um what do you what do you guys have uh what do you guys have you guys have any other big guests coming up I mean so not uh officially we've been talking to some other people nobody like huge but I'm sure there's oh so here's some uh there's a bunch of people right now at Midwest gaming classic right is this a I think that's what it's called because I was getting texts asking if I would be there there's a convention there's a convention right now going on this weekend and I know like shank is there and some other people uh that were buddies with where's that at Steve uh I'm not sure but Ryan from Castle Mania games uh who's a good friend of mine you know what he he's going to come on he was asking if I was going to be at there he's like I'm going to be there with a booth if you want to come hang out that's in uh that's in Wisconsin I think yeah I think that's right it's uh I think it's in Milwaukee it's not telling me where it's at but it looks like yeah Milwaukee Wisconsin you're right it's Milwaukee yeah that's right so uh I know there's a lot of people there probably hanging out not as many as there were probably in Connecticut uh but you know Lewis and I had a good discussion about this too it's now that um so last year my wife was pretty much staying at home and now that she's back at work I you know I can't a lot of things I can't just like leave town for right because I got kids and yeah kids you got the dogs yeah the dogs yeah the dogs gosh there uh when I had to go to Florida I had to take Brutus over to um he's so old now my dog he turns my bulldog turns 15 in May oh wow right and like the half the uh borders won't even take him that's a long time for a bulldog yeah yeah so he's uh he's and I mean he's fine health-wise and so I have to take him I take him on there's an app that you can get and it tells you like people's houses that you could go take him to so I have to take him to somebody's house and it's like an hour away from here and I have to drop him off there and then go get him so that I could go on a trip anywhere and and it's funny because when I put the name or when I was signing up the information for him on the fill-out form it only lets be put that he's 13 years old it won't go like that's the max age so I just had to put that he was 13 it wouldn't let me go any further or Brutus oh man somebody was somebody was like he's been wandering around somebody was asking me on the channel about because I haven't shown him in a while he's man he's great but he like dude he stinks so much now like it's just the smell he just like farts all the time just like yeah lays around and just non-stop farting no they're people watching like if you don't have a dog like there is a distinct like old dog smell there really is like it's just yeah they just don't care anymore yeah I uh we live on kind of like a hill and he always he still does this funny thing where he'll go to the top of the hill and then he'll just get on his back and then just like barrel roll down the hill I don't know why he's doing it he'll just go up to the top of the hill and the problem is is like he doesn't give a fuck no he'll roll through like four piles of his own dog shit they're like he's shit on all week it's like a barrel roll down the hill and then he'll like get up it like feels like good to him I don't know what it's like like what are you he's he's done that forever but he now he's on the hill and he really gets going he's figured out life man I guess he's mastered it he's mastered it we haven't we're still catching up to Brutus so this is the trick I'll tell everybody if you have an old pet the trick you want to know the trick to keeping him healthy sure uh you you switch them back to puppy food really puppy food yeah I've had louis or Lewis I've had Louis on puppy food for two years no Brutus isn't gonna talk to you again I know my hope is that it's just so much that he won't actually he probably won't even watch it he's just like no where are we at we're over two hours that's now we're at 153 so okay yeah I don't think he's gonna sit up and you know watch this whole thing back he's got he's got the Robert Dale Smith interview to go back through and worry about so he he sent me he sent me that same kind of message before yeah like ah he'll send me these messages ah man he's like yeah he's like oh mate I got I got a bunch of weed and I got stoned and then he's like oh I got too high man I got too high and then um I'm like and he's like I gotta quit I gotta quit and then I don't know it is like quits for two weeks maybe I'm gonna all right I'm betraying all these confidences now but no no no I'm just like other funny things of this conversation he sent me uh I just said yeah man you let Steve cook for 25 straight minutes on that Florida story I said I could tell something was off and he said I want to have fun and chill but obviously there's some limits I could I could feel it was also ha ha ha oh man this Steve's story is going on way too long that's always the problem and no but I said but then I said but then I said I mean that's what makes Steve so great is he'll just take things into a crazy direction sometimes and he said for sure 25 minutes without a break is a bit too long but then I was just vibing was it literally 25 minutes of me fucking talking you kept you kept going oh my god what about this this 25 minutes you kept going on about this cop in Florida like oh man we weren't even drinking that day he just uh no you were just smoked out of your mind that's what goodness gracious the funniest thing is when I was not like we're doing any better it's not like we're doing any better I mean I I'm buzzing I don't know about you but I I for sure am yeah I'm sure that I'm sure the audience can tell well I guess the last neo-geo thing we could talk about and did you wait a minute we have more of you wait a minute we have more viewers now as as I'm drunk yes then we did when we started when we were sober because that's what it takes it's a slow build it's a slow build so when you're when you're considering the neo-geo thing what about the neo oh what was that damn thing I can't even no the neo-x or neo-geo neo-geo-x yes the hand someone so someone wrote someone wrote me thank you for bringing this up someone someone wrote me and said you know snk play more or whoever owns snk now I don't even know neo-alek help me out who owns snk now because he knows everything he's like the authority on this stuff they should put out a neo-geo aes mini you know just like the genesis mini and the nes mini and all that stuff and I said well I think that was kind of the intent behind the neo-geo x and for people that don't know what the neo-geo x is the the premise behind the neo-geo x was actually really cool it was a uh oh we got a super chat hey tony here's fellas loving this stream thanks tony appreciate it tony eskibar thank you we're just drunk and rambling but whatever um but the neo-geo x was a handheld neo-geo and it had a uh it had a thumbstick and it had uh four buttons like the neo-geo cd pad it had a lcd screen it was kind of like a switch or like a I don't know like a but you know it was a good quality uh piece of hardware and you had a aes shell that would open I had one I had one a few years back oh you actually you actually had one of these I had one yeah I bought it well I bought it before I had my aes okay and uh and then you could kind of dock it yeah and the they would have a three and a half millimeter um uh stereo jack that would plug into the headphone jack and then they would have another one where it would be a um uh hdmi jack and you would you would dock it you'd close it and it looked like you were playing an aes without a without a cartridge in it and then but what was cool about it was it had the original uh joysticks with the micro switches but it was a usb connection instead of the uh you know like the arcade connection that it had it had a usb connection so you just plug it in and that was you know routed into the neo gox and you could play you know with the joystick the games the problem was the emulation was just shit it was terrible all the games were terrible right um the max resolution was 480p and you would carry 480p over hdmi or you could have composite and the composite video connection was awful um but the work around i did was i had a um whatever that um hdmi to component um uh adapter that that bob has on this amazon thing that i the porta thing that i'm constantly linking to uh i had that running into that into a uh like a sony 36 fs 100 or whatever and it looked great i thought it looked really good over component um and i would play it and uh it only had uh steve i want to say it had like maybe two dozen games three dozen games that they actually finally released they would come on little micro sd cards and you load them in um and it kind of gave you the neo geo experience but it wasn't like i said the emulation wasn't good there was a ton of screen tearing yeah um it really wasn't all that great um so i ended up selling it and i sold it when evidently it was right after the discontinued it and it was like a hot commodity i ended up because i had they um they released a it was pretty cool because the s the the sd cards with all the games loaded up on to them came into those um like a featured in my video the the hard rigid aes uh hard clasp cases uh it came in something like that but when you opened it up it just had a manual and it had like a little foam insert with a little pocket for the sd card um but and they put like snk released like all these sd cards like like volume one volume two volume three and each sd card had like four or five games on them they they released one sd card that had all of them on them and i bought that one it was like 200 bucks and um so i sold that and the neo geo x i sold all that for like 650 dollars like somebody on ebay wanted to pay that much money for it so i took all that money that i made off the neo geo x and i bought an aes for it i bought the real deal uh and i and i imported it from japan i got i got a japanese one and uh did the did the um unibios and um right then terra onion put out the neo sd so i bought that for like 400 bucks and uh i never look back like i and i'm so happy like in fact if i couldn't find a buyer that spent that much money on a neo geo x i wouldn't have gotten the original but like in hinds but it's funny like you think wow you really work that guy over the coals selling a neo geo x for 600 dollars but you look now like going ebay they're going for they're going for quite a bit of money yeah they're like a collector's item it is it was something that was going for you know it price had come down and it was always one of those items that was criticized because of the emulation i don't actually know if you follow modern modern vintage gamer i think he did i do he did a video he did a video on the machine recently and i remember i think there was something where um they weren't following the licensing agreement of the emulator properly that's at the end of the day like s and k pulled production of everything because that's what it was if you look at the machine it was a brilliant idea it should have been a future and it should have if you think about that device that could have propelled s and k to be god only knows what if they had been right like proper with that thing because that's practically a switch how it's designed almost yeah yeah for sure well and they ended up you know they ended up releasing what became you know that japanese version of the mvs that that mvs mini you know it was like a candy cab yeah and it had uh yeah and you could plug it into your flat screen and you had that big ass you know arcade stick that you know that that came out what three or four years ago that like all white one yeah that all white one yeah but the but the neo geox predated that and i i i bought it new i thought it was i thought it was wow when i got it you know i i thought it was just the coolest thing i was like i you know and there were hacks for it you could download um final burnio and put it on you could hack it put final burnio on it you could put unibious on it you could upload every single neo georam onto it um and it just it was like you had a basically a mister you know not a mister like not as accurate as mister but you had a really good emulator right there you had the whole thing but in a cool neo geo form factor with the original joystick it looked really neat someone brought up in the chat that there's a um that there was a mod where you could actually convert that neo geox joystick into an a s you could yeah i i saw that floating around too that was really cool but those those joysticks actually go for quite a bit now because of the mister community wants them they want to because they're usb they're usb so the mister community wants them and it makes a whole lot of sense um it does yeah i because it only came with one and i know you could get a second one and and even the second one when i bought it was pretty expensive because they were going pretty quickly a lot of people wanted them for their emulators well i had never i never owned the aes console i got really close one time there was a guy when i first started getting pvms and this would have been when i got like a big load of 13 20 inch medical pvms in my garage and i probably hadn't done but maybe one or two youtube videos at this point and i met a guy on facebook who was about an hour away from me and i had set up a deal with him to trade him a 20 inch pvm for an aes console and like a controller and i don't even know that we were including a game maybe one game that wasn't worth anything uh but he just kept flaking out on me and never did anything about it and that would actually be a better deal for him probably now because the p 20 inch pvm probably would sell for more than just the console but i was still i was pretty disappointed i actually bought a game uh it was like that was a cool thing about that was one of the cool things about that system was that it was you could buy the japanese games and it wouldn't matter so which a lot of times much cheaper yeah that's what i did i bought like samurais showdown two or three right for not very much money uh japanese version of that but i never got to use it i finally just sold that copy back because i never got an aes i was always stuck with the little hotdog the little the little weenie i was a little hotdog doing we never got to see the hotdog run we never got to see the weenie crapped out you didn't well it's been running just on it's on the youtube oh there it is okay there it is i see it now i don't know how long anybody wants to hang out because i've still got this like i haven't even mentioned this crap we haven't even opened your box yeah open your box i don't know you know talk about my box i'm about to go piss on a box i'm i mean i've got to make sure that i pee somewhere that's off camera right now if i go go pee go here i'll fill you know here i'll i'll i'll talk to the chat see look at this we're gonna we're gonna get really scary here for a minute all right good talk look you look you you're gonna get exactly uh 22 more minutes out of me all right 22 is that well i'm at it well here's my problem steve i'm at a liquor okay so yeah i'm pretty low i've only i drank like a third of a bottle so i'm pretty all right hang on one second all right somebody talked to me over here let me see i'm i'm gonna see if there's any questions here in the chat uh ariel mendoza hey hey good evening good to see you sir um trying to see i haven't seen dupes and hauser in a while he hasn't talked oh there he is what's in the box i don't know man um how was your youtuber experience going that's a good question uh dupes i appreciate that um you know the biggest thing that i um did not expect from youtube was how much of a social network it actually is i i always thought of youtube as just something that you make a movie you upload it people like it they don't like it if you get really big you get monetized that's about it but um and i never really looked at youtube as uh being monetized like i don't i don't care i just get a lot of um i get a um i get a lot of satisfaction from just making something feeling the accomplishment of just making something and publishing it but i didn't really anticipate the social aspect of it of people like replying to something that you made or commenting on it and you get to interact with that person um that i find that i'm you know if you guys the only reason that most people know me is because i've you know i have a following on twitter but um like i i feel like the youtube uh all the youtube discourse that i'm getting it takes me away from the the twitter because i'm just getting so much feedback on on youtube so i think that's really cool i completely underestimated how much of a social networking platform youtube can be and how much it can connect you to people and i think that's really sweet um and yeah the again the feedback has just been so positive and just been so blown away and and just humbled by it so uh that's that to answer your question dupes and houses that is how the youtuber experience is going uh okay boomer i don't know if that was for me gotta ask eight bit gotta ask eight bit what's your thoughts on something like the open mvs as an affordable alternative to the aes look i don't care how you play neogeo play neogeo uh as long as it's lag if it as long as it doesn't introduce a ton of lag play it uh if you're if you want to play open mvs if you want to play uh mvs carts on aes if you want to play on mr just just play neogeo because you got to experience uh that arcade hardware for yourself it's uh you've got really some of the best if not the best 2d arcade gaming out there it's it's really the best yeah reluctant hero i i agree open mvs phenomenal piece uh access neogeo any way you can uh it really is the best okay steve's got a box open what do we got here what do we got let's see this is box number one so i've got a oh i see extra is that an extra on switch what is this oh my gosh look at this thing so this was a donation been from uh from oh i like a viewer patreon member he said he got a bunch of this stuff in with some monitors and didn't really know what to do with it so i told him i would take it so this right here is a tech tronics a lot of this stuff is tech tronics gear and i'll try to hold this up so just to give a better view to some of the people at home but this is a tsg 7 170 a ntsc television generator so this should just generate a bunch of crazy like standardized uh either patterns signals really also like weird uh tests generated it's just a signal it's just going to generate a bunch of signals according to what is it how does it output steve so let's see uh so we have sync blanking black test signal oh yeah bars i don't know really man vertical drive what are the what are the connectors are they bnc yeah it's a bnc machine okay so i've got to read up exactly some of these i have read up on i didn't read up on all of them because there's a bunch of them here but um you know it's cool like show that to the camera get like hold that up like the 240p test week could probably do three quarters of what that massive fucking unit does yeah oh yeah it could probably do more than what this thing does but uh so what this would do is this would send in a certain pattern that was a standard so you could check like your equipment up to it and make sure it was working uh some of this other stuff's a little bit more useful i think but you gotta you never know what the actual patterns are in it so you right see but we got i'd say i'd say hook it up to that uh oe v right now man if you can yeah well i'll just see what else we got in here and a bunch of them see here's another here's another one uh that one looks newer this is a sink generator spg 17 170a so this is just generating some kind of a sink man they've got so this is all obviously rack equipment this pulled out of a rack it looks like so let's get black first flag blanking sink drive i have no again no idea about how to use this thing but let's see what else but we do have the odv here oh so wait a minute steve i i miss that word this came from just a viewer this just yeah a guy who reached out to me and said he had a bunch of this stuff there's some more that's cool rack mounts i paid for the shipping so it did end up costing me there's three boxes it's like 200 bucks okay so this was not really the thing that i was super excited about was these sink generator right test generator that was still cool but not the most exciting one so let's see looks like it didn't break though this is exciting i'm i'm i'm really uh i'm floored man i can't wait see what's in here now i'm serious like i i like people getting new shit it makes me happy well it does all right so good the last one is going to be the best one apparently oh here's another one here we go yeah whoo now this is my next next unit yes take all this is tick dronics for spg-422 oh so this is component digital sink generator oh that's even something i'll probably never have to i don't know use maybe because it's again digital but maybe no no so this is oh it's funny it came from a pensacola junior college property of the department of education of florida that's what it's got written all over it i'm surprised they're still not using a component in florida that's how they are turn around let me see the uh let me see the all these inputs are pretty similar this one's a little bit different uh it's all bnc though well yeah and then it's got serial audio through these uh like microphone jacks and a remote but everything else is bnc and this one again it just says a bunch of blacks so i don't know if like the blacks like the black one is supposed to be like the video signal that comes out so so it's not like a it's not a switcher it's actually just a test pattern sink generator exactly yeah so the problem from what i could tell it's like if you were in a broadcasting area right or situation and you were piecing together different pieces of analog video a lot of the times those two pieces of video on their own don't have the same sink like the sink frames will mismatch so for example these kind of equip this kind of equipment generates a normal sink and so you try to then dial like both those patterns those videos into that sink pattern on a waveform generator which is like the one i was excited about that's the last box looks like spoiler alert spoiler alert wait a minute so here is i'm gonna this one's let's see a synchronous changeover so another sink thing i don't know what i'm gonna do with any of these parts what the fuck are you gonna do with all this shit build a build a community college course yeah basically yeah so like this was the end of analog video folks here we are this is it i know right i don't really know like any about any of this stuff i'm hoping that somebody can tell me because it says the test bars comes out of okay there's actually so this one has a video like an actual video input where you could do just composite right out of this input here so maybe maybe we can hook that up and try it i'm not sure yeah let's i'd love to see one of those hooked up to that oe v right there i think that'd be really let's try that's the closest one to possibly be in done all right box number three it's the big one let's uh let's see where did i put i think i had left my knife in that box that i threw away my dog all right please here you know what fucking i'm gonna i'm gonna get drink number five why not you need another drink and i need a knife i do where did i put the knife that's a scary thing all right no knife all right well i'll let i'll let my friend get his drink and uh we will bust into this last box here and hopefully this one will have the cool equipment in it that uh we could take a closer look at here and we'll finish off mr bill buster hope everybody's had a good time hanging out tonight i've had a good time with our friend mr 8-bit esquire and with all of you and now we'll open this box with a new cutting device hey steve i uh what ran out of liquor so all right my last drink tonight is uh my favorite bourbon it is uh kernel e h taylor the small batch now you got to help me out okay because i have a feeling that you can get this pretty easily in virginia whereas in michigan i cannot get it easily so you sound like my you sound like my stepfather now he he's pissed at me because he's pissed at me because i couldn't get on the dam what's the van weenkel the damn oh yeah happy yeah grand happy yeah right so they're like oh yeah yeah happy van weenkel lotteries coming up and i literally i literally got on the lottery website the day the second day after and they were like closed closed the water is closed it's a thing okay so like this was my last so i e h taylor i was like this is my last drink i'm gonna go out with a bang if you see it in a liquor store i will pay you double whatever your shipper whatever your shipping is to get it to me okay like i i can't get it in michigan and i'll look there's a lot of uh by see the this is a different this is a different one in virginia we have an abc store do you have that or do you have old school just liquor stores i just got a liquor store got a mom and pop liquor store yeah see their own they're managed by the state in this state oh really so it's kind of wow they have their own thing called the abc good though because there's no there's probably no markup on any of the liquor is there it's probably all state none of a bitch this is the one that oh it's just got a little crack on it holy shit roger wait till you see this box keep going about you got in here i mean it's got like what the fuck is that own crt in here what is going on in there good grief they didn't pack this for shit oh my gosh look at this oh god look at this what is that is that the longest crt you've ever seen baby that's what the fuck is that we got we got peppy long tube here baby show me this show me the screen show me the screen let me see it yeah so this is make sure i don't shock myself oh look at that they say so this is a fun little device here this somebody in an editing studio would have to pay like four grand for this thing yeah uh this what's the manufacturer it's again it's tectronics it's a waveform monitor so you put waveforms through like you put a screen display up and the good thing that you can do with this is like so you pull up a screen of like test bars and this will show how they look on like so it doesn't show anything vertically but but it uses a it gives you a graph of like how your light is and whether it's between zero and one hundred or like ten and ninety and and then you try to line it up between whatever you desire right like or so overbeamed it helps you with like color grading so give me give me give me a practical example that you like to use that for in your workshop that's what i've got to figure out i have no idea so i have no idea right that's what i want to try to figure out is like what's a good practical use for this besides checking so this probably let's see what it has probably channel a channel b and a reference channel so yeah this is going to be composite video only so you could check things from ntsc composite video sources just it just be for fun it'd be like i could hook up again like the 240p test suite to this or any really old analog console that puts out composite video and and read the device to see if it's actually in like calibration according to the standard now the other thing is is this device itself calibrated any longer or does it need freaking new capacitors look at this shit yeah yeah i saw dude when you pulled that out i saw the number of capacitors look at that look at all that yeah i mean this side and it's got potential that makes the og xbox look like a fucking famicom like you look at all those big boy capacitors right there so this is wow yeah this is a beauty right here that's that's a cool device though still how long that tube is so what happened what happens if your calibrator needs calibration that's a problem that's a thing right that's a thing though all right so that's good i'm i'm super glad that did not break because that was just literally wrapped in one layer of bubble wrap so this guy just sent you all this stuff for free you just pay yeah yeah but what is he gonna do with it he's like yeah somebody took it and actually does something with it even though i don't even think you know what you're gonna you but you don't even know what you're gonna do with it so that's okay that's what's so great about it i might build a giant robot out of it like that why not artist and just if i just feed patterns into it while it's up on a robot body you could program it with open chat cpt oh yeah oh this one did take a little dive oh this one's got two screens in it roger okay and it almost took a dive on me it's heavy who let's see what we got here all right it's this one oh yeah oh wow look at this look at this it's got double screens and all kinds of knobbies what is that this is who this one's heavy this is another set this is the one that i knew was coming that i was most excited about oh this is awesome so this it's fucking crazy damn mountain of so damn the only problem is i don't think it's i don't think it's set up for rgb i think it's just going to be composite again though you can get some of these that are in rgb form that are even better because you can separate your colors but there's a it's hard to see on this screen down here goodness can't even see on the camera yeah i was about to say could you tilt it up a little bit on this screen over here yeah and you can't see there we go there i can see a little bit better now yeah this screen right here has a circle in it and that's like that gives you this crazy like figure eight pattern or diamond pattern when you have all your colors balanced correctly that gives you have too much green or too much red it leans the way that shows you and it's like marked with like red green blue on here like each corner axis and then uh so this one you can send a waveform through and probe the problem is is there's like a hundred settings on this thing and i don't know exactly how to use it but okay yeah okay no excuse me but so i hate to ask but again what is the practical use for that in your workshop so this these two things i can't like the last item that i showed you i mean it should just the only thing it really could do is help us help me be able to calibrate composite on equipment really and then if you calibrate so if you calibrate the composite on some monitors then all the other calibrations fall in line from there some of them right so if you get that checked this is all going to be going back to more of the color stuff than geometry but these things are super old but honestly composite is is the most useful application for that right yeah well and that's you're getting the raw signal it doesn't matter but but composite the only thing matters the only thing it would be better is if it was an rgb i could get rgb separated on here for color grading and then i can individually then when i'm in rgb i can calibrate rgb to look the best right because right so you this thing this that waveform monitor i it can help you do like a perfect white balance with mechanical means on your device and the way it does that is like you the the white is a perfect exactly incremental combination of red green and blue together if you have those three primary colors in equal intensities then your white is perfect and in the theoretical scientific world of course that's not what actually happens but you can tell from an image it's hard for our eyes to tell like the difference between something that is calibrated for color and it's like 85 percent up to like 99 percent right whereas 99 percent if you saw that versus 85 percent you'd say dang that looks a lot better actually but if you're just looking at 85 percent it looks good enough to your eye to where you're not really telling what's what it's off by or something may you know you might get into some situation where an image has too much yellow like it looks a little bit yellow or too much well no i mean no but you bring up a good point like because those pvms have the the uh color temperature uh yeah it's that and it's hard for you to tell what is normal for you and it's just a matter of taste you know you're not sure you know do you like your white to look a little more blue do you like it to look a little more warm you know so that's is that is that something that these devices could help is that where you're so yes if they're working correctly they can help they help you turn that color image on the screen and it gives you it gives you a graph reading and then all you do is you go into the sub menu or the adjustments on your device or your monitor for example and then if the if the graph on the device looks like it's like okay if the graph would improve by adding more red then you go in there and you start cranking the red gun up i got you it's just like somebody just put in there reminds me of camera coloring that's what this was a lot used for was like cameras in a studio anything like that camera color and then obviously a lot of a lot of guys that were the best with these things so i found out like the best video editor was a guys was were guys who would do like documentary films in like the 90s because if you think about that they were getting they would if you had a documentary you could have freaking footage from any any different region right it could be any of the ntsc ntsc regions it could be pal it could be ckm and then you're expected to take that footage at whatever frame rate it is and whatever the sink is and try to connect that into a line in the old-fashioned way right in video editing as opposed to now where you just drag and drop everything and it just matches right you don't have to worry about it so well that's cool well you got a hell of a haul it looks like yeah a lot of junk here my wife's $200 you spent in shipping well i could definitely get half of it back in scrap metal well no no i know i'm just gonna you can make you can make a video out of that shit and get 20 000 views uh i mean that's it's actually been calibrated recently so that's pretty interesting there you go see so that's that like that's that's i definitely will spend more time seeing what i could get these to display um and how i can use them because that was even a trick to me it's like how so i'm gonna have to send my signal into the monitor and then use the output of the monitor into this right or not to this but to the waveform monitor so i send that into this did the guy that sent it to you did he tell you like oh he has no idea about it he literally didn't know what no no no it was a part what happens is it was a part of a like a hall from somebody's studio or some other community college or whatever right yeah that's what it was it was like hey we called this university and they had uh these monitors and they might have gotten five pvms out of it and this was with it okay but uh most of this stuff is like it's not super that like it's not something cool like it doesn't add um it's not like old editing tools that add special effects like to video you know yeah you know what like uh i told you that story when i got my pvm by service um it came with that um it was like a beta max editor like an editing station and the guy was trying to sell it to me for like another 300 bucks and uh and i passed on it because i'm like what the fuck am i going to do with that like i don't even know where to even get a beta cassette let alone a beta camcorder you know to do the editing you know that could hook up to this pvm but i wish i got it just to you know like because it had it had all the cool like you just said it had all the cool effects it had all the little knobs it was right there on board um it had all the cool gauges like i don't know what i would do with it but it's just you know it's a piece of editing equipment it's a piece of history that you know sony had the top of the line shit back in the day like it's cool to keep that continuity with all this stuff i think it would be super nerdy to put you know so like a some guy somewhere has like a 1989 like video studio in his basement yeah he just goes in and you just plays with analog video with the fucking cat and he's got the camera too like he's got well that's the funny thing you say that is i've had not recently but when i used to have the connection in Tennessee with the recycling plant they used to try to give me so much of that crap it would be like truck loads of ikigami cameras that were standard definition right and that right we're on freaking arms like they had been in the nfl like they were on these like construction arms it would have taken me three trucks to get all this stuff back i never took any of it because it was it's like i don't even there's a question there's a question in the chat what were the medical pvms used for uh gamer they were used for looking looking into people's assholes yes or or hey when you went they were like oh congratulations you're having a baby i could almost see the babies i could almost see the baby's penis in 480i that's right that's right it was all ultrasounds man could you imagine oh my goodness yeah that's what it was ultrasounds and colonoscopies and uh if you've uh if you've ever uh you know if you've if you've had a baby recently you've you've gone in you've seen the big ultrasound equipment and the computers and there they have these i don't want to say they're like sophisticated lcds but they are sophisticated pieces of technology but back in the day they they were all i mean they weren't lcds back in the day so they had these pvms matter of fact steve's looking at this is one oh in an oe v 143 uh olympus made the medical equipment and and steve you made the comment earlier in a in a repair video that that's the best-looking uh pvm you could get i agree i love the color pattern of that i love that just the the the look of the casing yeah um that that like gray blue on the off-white it looks so cool uh it and it's it's a trinitron tube it's uh it's a 600 line trinitron tube it looks awesome uh but that's that's what they were used for um this you know they sell the white they sell the white variants the the 1953s the uh you know all those but uh you know i like the i like the olympus variant that's the best that's the best version so the olympus is the funny thing is is if you go one year before this olympus made an oe v 142 and a 202 it was it was all yeah those are those are white yeah those are white like the other ones and this is the only one um but this is the cart that this is on is a literal scope cart it's like a a smaller scope cart that they would wheel into a examination room and pull uh a scope off of and you know do whatever wanting they were doing with it needed a uh colonoscopy it'd be done on that tube um another thing they used these ones for was olympus is famous for cameras right and like lenses lenses really good lenses they also made microscopes lab microscopes with photographic lenses these were the monitors that olympus would sell with those lab microscopes you know you would sell this olympus $75,000 microscope with video capabilities in the night or the late to the early 2000s and you would bring it with a oe v like this thoughts on a jvc av a crap that stand in all yeah it's the stand it's it's probably seen some crap that one you know what uh Steve you made you made a good point in i don't know what episode it was if it was a live streamer one of one of uh the cathedrae podcast but you made you made a pretty good distinction about uh bvms you know like your f series and your your d series a series um you know why yes those go for a significant amount of money um but if it comes to just playing games you'd much rather have like a just a solid m2 or an m4 or like an oe v you got in front of you like a pvm just because of their uh reliability like could you could you touch upon that a little bit because i think that's a really good point that a lot of people miss like people think that okay if i'm gonna if i'm gonna get the best thing i could possibly get i'm gonna go spend a few thousand dollars on you know an 800 line or a 900 line bvm um and that's going to be the best thing i could possibly get but really maybe a pvm if it's a 600 line or an 800 line might suit you better and here's why could you just with your expertise well touch upon that a little bit well one little secret here starting with on the um medical monitors specifically i think there's a secret to these and that this is the secret a sony has always taken and put their best top of the line tubes in their higher end products and what i mean by that is for example let's take the 800 line which is one step above this tube for the trinitron that would have gone in m series monitors from the m4 all the way to badass bvm same exact tube model i believe l4 l5 yeah all that yeah so i believe when sony would have been made in these making these tubes and this is just a theory but sony would have taken these tubes that they were all graded on a grading scale they were always graded they were tested for quality and some were sent to b stock b level and if it was a good one it was sent to a stock not only that i feel like they would take the best of those tubes and stick them in their highest end monitors right so to me i felt like this is what i always felt like on the m series i felt like the m for you would have gotten all the bullshit worst of the 800 line tubes that came out of the factory were going in that pvm m4 u and that's why i'm like man that thing is kind of like overrated in that aspect that you're probably getting a lower quality tube as opposed to the f for whatever bvm of quality but the prices are crazy in m4 right right and it's only because of that extra 200 lines on paper right now if you take the very opposite of that or not opposite but if you go down to the 600 lines like the 600 lines from 800 lines you're stepping down you take that 600 line tube the 600 line tube was in all the other pvm's no bvm's but the best pvm that had a 600 line tube would have been this medical monitor yeah it was the highest end one they made with 600 lines so my theory is that a lot of these medical monitors would have had the highest end tubes that were in that 600 line category i think they would have gone to this and like the 54 cues or the m series and then you know you can step down from there uh but i feel like to me it always seems like the medical ones look the best on these 600 line versions um and you think you think that you think it like an m2 uh you think like a uh like a uh like a 1950 uh looks better than an m2 uh just that the medical monitor looks i don't know you know that's that's that's hard because all that always it gets up to um the actual individual monitor sure because you can look at a tube and one that's been too used so if yeah the only difference there is then you're getting a bunch of extra features uh for sure you're definitely getting more features and i feel like if you're sony and you can charge more for the extra features you're not just gonna you know this is a lower cost item you're gonna not stick the higher end tube in that you know what i mean like yeah i would like to get from a business perspective at the time well no like like for example like i i have a 1942 a 1942 is a is a 600 line two no it's a yes it's a 42 yes that's a that's a good one it's a great tube and it in i look at it and uh you know i sit pretty far back i sit back probably six seven feet from it when i play games on it and it looks sharp as hell yeah and uh and and when you run 480 i content on it uh especially PlayStation 2 i i swear to god it looks high definition like it looks when you run 480 i content on one of these pvms it it never could look possibly better it really can't and and that's even running it from an analog to digital scaler like the retro tank 5x like it it will never look better than on a pvm and uh and and i'm sitting there and i'm playing it and part of me is steve correct me from wrong but like i don't know how this could look any better even if i were playing this on an 800 or 900 line tube i don't know how it would look any better and specifically 480 i content you know because 480 i on a on a uh on a 800 or 900 line tube you're going to see a lot more of that bob de interlace right you're going to see a lot more well you're definitely going to see it's flickering uh yeah parent it's definitely something that uh and the reason it's like that is so you can see imperfections in the image and try to correct it before it goes out to the public so the that 600 tv you know for 480 i content to be enjoyed it was always designed to be at really no higher than 600 tv lines you could argue that 480 i ideally would look best at 450 tv lines or something like that because it's you know that that refresh rate when you get the higher line count if somehow it becomes more visible now if you're a total like if if you get a total hard on for scan lines then people do absolutely and that's your thing then 900 line too then your 900 line and your 1000 line tubes are going to show a more i mean you get up there get up close to that crt on 240p and you won't see any finer scan lines and like the natural environment than that that's that's really i think that that's where all this probably started from was the intense desire to see those natural scan lines uh i'll admit that's what kind of got me like hard for crt's at the beginning was this whole idea that i had been messing around with crt's my whole life and i had never seen in my memory this real scan line defined scan line thing but but but from my perspective like i so i'm a you know i'm just a consumer and and you know i sent you what i just bought uh on from japan i just bought a couple more 42s uh you know i i i buy this stuff i buy the 600 line tubes i can get these for under 100 bucks uh from japan um but then when you try to get the m4s when you try to get the l4s and the l5s when you try to get the 8 and 900 line tubes they're like four times as much and you know for me i mean the whole premise of my youtube channel is is are you getting you know what are you getting for your money and i i don't know if you're really getting you know are you really getting that much more for your money for those 200 extra lines or the 300 extra lines for the the really high-end bbms um you know and some of this is a line count versus multi-sync multi-sync is that's a big deal you know you you'd be able to get this you know you could you could show that 31 kilohertz at 4 ap you could show widescreen like some of that stuff is really cool don't get me wrong but i'm talking about just like the the the sharpness of the image itself is it really worth the money and and you brought up uh steven in one of your more recent videos about the i think you've serviced the oev um i think it was a 19 that you did uh where you're just like i think this is the sweet spot like this is kind of it for you know 240p is going to look is going to look great 40i will never look better on this on this tube just because you're not going to have as much flickering but two and and with that 240p will look still really sharp it won't look as sharp as it will on on like a 800 or 900 line two but it'll look pretty good uh on this this is kind of the sweet spot i i don't know man when it when it comes to a cost benefit analysis i think what you're looking at right in front of you with that oev uh uh 14 you can't get much better than that can you i mean just just a dollars and cents wise well no and the the thing is they're not they had their full of features and they're not gonna um like once you get into that bvm realm you're really pushing things that i don't mean to sound like a dick but at any moment that thing could just fry out right like the reliability aspect of it too right even if it's serviced right some some something's going to go bad eventually it's like a you know it's like a classic ferrari or something yeah when it was originally there it had to be serviced every 500 miles or every six months and then you had to go pay some tech five grand to do that it's like this is when you're talking about that super high-end those bvms everybody wants and everybody pays an arm and a leg for i always say proceed with extreme caution i'd rather see somebody spend money on these kind of level pvms because these are going to last a long time most of the time i mean i rarely have people get a serviced one of these and call i ever have an issue right they're not going to really have an issue but and the bvms are just a lot more tricky you can easily crank a setting too high on those and damage something right so it's just it's just like the be like people who drive bvms you know there are bvms bmw's there's a three letter acronym they're not that far off it's like right expensive both of them oh yeah i mean you're not race aroni was saying he was he's been using a 14m too yeah i just read that and hunting for a bvm i mean you're not it's not like it's not like to step up to a bvm see the problem is you get into a bvm and i'll be honest with you i don't like the bvm as much as far as like the form factor it's bigger it's it's longer it's it's it weighs a ton it's huge it looks more like like these look cool and stylish almost compared to those right so you know what you know what the thing is with me why uh i was okay buying uh the 42q is because it looked very similar to a kv like a consumer set and it it didn't look like some like some pvms look like i mean they look like professional video equipment so they look kind of janky in your setup they they just don't have a vibe to them you know and and this sounds so superficial and stupid but um it like my 42q it looks like it could just you know oh it just looks like a random crt that uh anybody had in the in the late 80s early 90s and um you lose that with bvms bvms look like they look like professional video equipment because that's what they are it just looks see it just seems so out of place and and um i don't know you brought up in your um uh one of your videos that like yeah these things are just meant to be uh maintained fairly quickly on the fly and and here's the replacement parts and we're going to spend a couple thousand bucks and we're going to swap this card and here it is uh but the pvms you know have a much more a better track record of a reliability really yeah um yeah they're they're very hardy and they like the the thing is it's sony went through that design period on these pvms where it's pretty close to the same design between right after the era of your pvm they changed to the um the one with the buttons and the service menus right right so when they did that that that came out in about 94 95 well hell they stuck with that design all the way up to the l series which is the early series yeah to the end so uh you know they really perfected that design and and made it really um a really reliable product that just sat there in in medical environments on a card or something like this and worked for years because there's really no problem with it and it wasn't the good thing with medical ones is they weren't tended to be left on in a hot environment like a right you know an editing place like a broadcast monitor yeah it's right those have just been in video walls heating up over and over again uh so they're they're not as i you know the people are going to be most happy with settling on something like this or hell even the one i did the um rgb mod livestream on if you're if you're worried about money that's a unbelievable value um you know you could get a retro screen right there that you can modify and do composite you could get everything into it besides component video pretty much you know it's like it's so cheap if you rgb body and so if you if you were somebody steve that was into retro gaming you wanted to have the best analog experience you could have what is what is the pvm you should be looking for that gives you the best bang for your buck the best value that you have you know no regrets that oh okay i i didn't spend an extra 600 bucks you know and now i've now but i've got something that's going to last me for the next 10 15 years and i'm going yeah so like the best the best thing you could do for yourself is decide whether you're i don't know i mean if you want the best thing for bang for your buck we've already been kind of talking about it it's like this right right if you could find it it's not a little bit i feel like it's that olympus yeah because olympus kind of flies under people's radars a little bit it does but also um like all the features but i think that in this 13 such 14 inch size format unless yeah it's harder to get the 20 inch the 19 inch and bigger it's harder to get those you're paying more um on a pvm level but there's but there's a but there's a logistics hurdle with that right unless you unless you have that that's a huge logistics hurdle but with the 14 inch see a lot of people don't realize like you can make your single player experience the same between a 14 and 20 almost it's just the distance you sit from the screen right so you get a per the the good thing about a 14 inch is they calibrate beautifully you can usually get them calibrated better than a 19 inch the sea this smaller screen size helps with that perfect geometry yeah you can get you can get darn near perfect geometry on a lot of those so if it were me that's what i'm looking for number one would be a medical variant between of sony or olympus and i would be looking for the like 1953 md or st there's 1953 st for some reason it's the same thing as the md but i've never heard of that one what it yeah what is that what is the st it's the exact same it's a medical monitor but i don't know why they put st on it instead of md i'm not sure um and reluctant hero the pdm 1340 i i don't know you just he's talking about 1340 i think that's a uh i think you want to avoid that one no it's good it's good if it's working yeah no no that's uh that's awesome if you got it for so 1340 is fine it's uh the 1340 i think i think that one's a for i think that's a 450 line yeah but it's it might be but it's still good i mean it's not terrible it's like it's still a good it does rgb yeah it doesn't do component but it should just do rgb it might be 450 tv lines uh i don't think it's 600 but i mean if all you do is you get it from an e-waste place and replace a fuse and it works that's free fuck it or if it's i mean either way that's still got a lot of good value i just this is like the best best one you could go for be something like that or the 20 m2 md use the only reason another reason the the um and medicals are so nice in this goes to the input board well it the input board that lets you have two inputs for rgb and component so you can have rgb and component going into the monitor without like switching it up so yeah it is it is nice having that feature i mean i've like so my 42 is just it's just rgb yeah and i've got a but what i've got is a um what i have everything feeding into it but i have rgb i have it all feeding into a component switchbox i have rgb feeding into a component switchbox feeding out component output into an rgb transcoder that mike g made and then into a rgb to bnc uh uh scart well scart to bnc adapter into the into that and it it works it works flawlessly with no lag um so don't i i guess what my point is in raising that is don't be don't be dissuaded by oh this particular pvm doesn't have component input there's workarounds to that those workarounds are 50 to 60 bucks and mike g makes one it's it's a very good solution i have it i have multiple actually in my setup right now um and you could save some money uh just getting a monitor you know like i have i have uh like i just put on my last live stream with steve i have a m1 uh m1j uh the difference between the m1 and the m2 the only difference is that the m2 has component input the m1 is rgb only that's fine they're the same monitor otherwise um so don't don't let that dissuade you from uh getting a cheaper monitor there's there's workarounds and and and they're good ones well in the united states there's plenty of options for component video to at least or because there's more you know that's easier to get into well we just hit three hours buddy you want to go to bed what the fuck man it's and let's let's get out of here i got to go to bed i'm yawning i'm out of whiskey too i'm yawning too everyone thanks you you know what those steve the audience stuck with us i mean we've got we've got more we've got more viewers i know i bet if we hey if we just left this rolling all night by the time let's just leave it rolling and we'll come back tomorrow and and i'll wake up in the morning rolling here in my outfit and see that we have like 45 and you know just sitting here i'll play the jazz loop uh yeah why not that's funny all right man i am for sure to the audience for sticking around absolutely thank you everybody came in tonight and had a good time uh we had fun i know i did it yeah i did too man thanks for having me absolutely so everybody have a wonderful night and we will catch you guys in the next one um i'm not sure what you have going on next we will we'll find out we'll see if the real thing is is louis is louis gonna ever talk to either one of us again so no louis is done with us for sure if you want to be the newest co-host to the catheter a podcast hit up says retro there you go uh bellmont you're the new you're the new bellmont yep sorry all right guys have a great have a great rest of your weekend and we will see you next time be well everybody bye