 Hello, everybody. If it's Wednesday and way too early in the morning, then it's Warhammer. Yeah, so morning everybody. It's an unusual day because I'm traveling and that means it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, Tom? How you doing? Good morning friends. Good to have you back, Tom. We had a fun weekend. That's what we're gonna talk about today. You know, we're gonna talk about a little, uh, we're gonna talk about a little, uh, a little Nashcon. And so of course, we had to bring in a guest, someone who outperformed both of us, frankly, at Nashcon. And that would be Tyler, our other co-host. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Good to be here, gentlemen. I love when we all get together. Oh, absolutely. It's always a good time. I am very excited about the show today. We're gonna talk about Nashcon a little bit, talk about our experiences. We've got a fun little picture up here of, you know, Bryce and his crew. But at any rate, of course first, we've got a little bit of news. So Tom, why don't you take us through that? Oh, I thought Tyler was doing the news. No, you're the actual co-host today. That's weird. So we had some events this weekend, but before that, let's talk about something special, something unique, the rumor engine. Yeah, the rumor engine, which I didn't bring up, but that's fine. It's a little tight. Look, man, I was messing with a lot of audio stuff beforehand, and it won't show me the show on my phone. It's making me very angry. So if one of you can make sure the show is live and actually working, that would be great. We're good. Okay. We're good. There's lots of team Tyler in the chat. Thanks, folks. I appreciate that. They're right in this case. So that's, I mean, they're not wrong. Now, as far as the rumor engine goes, it is what looks like hair with leaves in it. So I assume it's a 40k catagen thing. I know what it is. I just didn't bring the picture of them. Sorry. Maybe, maybe. If you've got a different guess, I'd love to hear it. Tyler, I'll let you go first. I mean, of course, Sarah Fawn was the first thought that came to mind. With some of the recent ongoings around Sarah Fawn, I think we had another rumor engine relatively recently that was Sarah Fawn-esque, so yeah, sure, there's skinks involved because they ruin everything, but let's see. You got any guesses, Tom? I don't know. I mean, couldn't it be, like, wood elves? I mean, yeah. Like, Kernoth, like, Kernoth-y? Kernoth-y, absolutely. I mean, I know we just got to solve an F book. I know they're fine, but I just, I missed the Kernoth-y. I missed the good old wood elves. You know what, Tom? I'll give you, it could be a Kernoth-y thing because what's her name? The Kernoth-y archer lady from Cursed City does have similar braids in her hair. She does. So if you want the AOS hope, there it is. And you know what? Who knows? It's one of those room regens where it's like, it's hair and leaves. I'm sure about that or whatever, but beyond that, I don't know. I guess it could even be rope and leaves, technically. Yeah, I mean, what I'll say is this, like, the leaf things are kind of painted like feathers, which is really weird. Yeah, sure. It makes me wonder if it's something weird goblin-y. Oh, now you're just hoping for forest goblins, but all right. I mean, like, it's painted exactly like my forest goblin feathers, so I can't not look at that. So maybe, here it is. I got it. Ready? It's an elf head that's been decapitated, and it's hanging from a goblin mount of something that's riding, and so the braids are kicking back, and the feathers have been tied there by the goblin. Okay. Boom. Amazing. Got it. Oh, and by the way, I didn't say it up top, folks, but this is going to be a very short show, just because I have to actually go to work. That's why I'm here and traveling. So, but we couldn't miss a show, and I'm flying later today, and it's all a mess, and my schedule's a living nightmare, but this will be a short show. Cool. What's next? Nova's coming. Yeah. So next week, Nova is, they're doing a preview show. It's at 8 p.m. Eastern, 1 a.m. British Standard Time or whatever, or whatever that is, 1 a.m. in the UK, and I'm going to try to see if we can do another little live setup, but I just haven't had a chance to talk to the person. If not, we'll just do it from my room as normal. I might rope some other people into it, since neither Tom nor Tyler will be there, but I will be in the show, and then we'll do a classic preview show after show, yes. So, cool. All right, I think that's all the news. Yeah, even at tight. We're keeping it tight today. Let's move to some quick pick of the week. Tyler, what would you like to share with everybody? Oh, good Lord. Gotcha. Yeah, he did hit me. Oh, man, I might actually have zero picks this week. That's all right. I'll tell you what, I'll give you a minute and I'll give you my pick. So our good buddy, Hay-Woe, had his newest video for what to bring to your first tournament, and Dan and myself, we're talking about that, another one of our friends who went with us, we're talking about this on the way back up after we dropped off Tom, and NashCon was so much fun, and I think there's just so many people who will just never go to a tournament because they think it's all like, it's scary, or it's an unknown, or it's going to be full of whack players, or something like that. Who it's actually full of, by the way, is these guys right here in this picture, who are just awesome people, who you'll have an incredible game with, and have a lot of fun. Given the top four or five tables are pretty intense, although it is some of the nicest people up there playing, it's just their intense games because you're playing for the top spot, but unless you're one of the top 10 people or eight people in the tournament, it's not like it's a real stressful place. And Hay-Woe had an awesome video just about what to bring to a tournament, and the attitude, and it's chill, and stuff like that. And I thought it was a great just like sort of prepper video for going to tourneys, so, yeah. Prepper video. Prepper video, yeah. Tommy, what about you? What do you got? Hot. Well, I'm going to have to spruke. Coach did a show a couple of days ago with Laurie Huguet-Wile on Sylvaneth, the Sylvaneth battle, and it was great. Hey, you had the opportunity. He opened the field to you, and you didn't take it. So I did. Roll priority, buddy. I finally found one. Yeah, that was an incredible show. It was. You can both pick it if you like. It's okay. It was a really good show. I mean, obviously. Tyler, it's okay if I came prepared and you didn't. I'm okay with that. You can have my pick. I'll share. I saw Mike Goonheimer send out a tweet. He's got an article coming out today. I'm forgetting what it's called, but yeah, check it out on Goonheimer.com covering, I think, five or so tournaments and a top list and so on. It's always a great article that he does. So yeah, that should be a lot of fun today. Yeah. I mean, if you wanted to, Tyler, you could just generically spruke the seasons of season of war. Sorry. Since the only person who beat your placement at the tournament was, of course, Ridge, right? So who is obviously an amazing player. So there you go. So that would be your other option, by the way. I'll link season of war because Ridge is awesome and Jordan is awesome. They're all awesome people and obviously Ridge took best overall in first place at NashCon. So he had some great lists, too. He did. He certainly did. All right, hobby time. We'll go through this quickly. Well, obviously most of our collective hobby time this weekend was spent on NashCon, which was what we're going to talk about all of the rest of today. So it's almost like this whole show is hobby time. But Tom, have you painted anything since what do you even work on? I mean, both of you have had, like, differing amounts of time. So Tom, you weren't here last week. Yeah. So I have not painted anything, even though I have a commission that I need to pick back up, but I'm getting there. But related to the hobby, I got my wow stick, which I'm super stoked about. Vince, have you talked about the wow stick on the show yet? I don't know. I think I might have talked about it in a hobby cheating video. But yeah, it's amazing. It's a little drill. It's a USB charge pin drill that makes like pinning, it's magical, truly magical. And so I got my wow stick and I got the nail polish paint shaker that you have, the one that you prepped on. A little Vortex master mixer. Yep. Yep. Yep. I got that. And so up in my hobby, Space Game, and I've been prepping to work on some Gaven. So we'll see. That's, I love it. My hobby time has been basically zero, I will tell you right now, because I was at NashCon and then as soon as I got back from NashCon, I got on an airplane basically the next morning and flew here. So I haven't even been home barely at all since last Thursday, the day after the show. So that's been mine. There'll be some fun hobby this weekend, though, as sneaky hidden segment. Hey, everyone, I hope you've all been following me on Twitter and wondering what's going on with our daily tweets, myself and Uncle Adam. Well, it might be that our new game is launching. And it might be that you want to be really paying attention this particular Friday as this coming Friday, that new game might be coming out. I don't know. Could happen. And people here may have put work into it. That is true. Universally, everyone here will work into it. As a matter of fact, it's all three of us. And so we're going to be doing some fun stuff this weekend with Scooty and John around it. So there'll be a lot of fun stuff. But yeah, so everybody please do I hope you check it out or give it a look. We're really proud of the new game. And you'll learn all about it and all the deets coming on Friday. But until then, you didn't hear this from me. Don't tell Adam I said this much. We'll keep it quiet. This is just between us. Okay. All right. This is a morning coffee conversation. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Tyler, what about you? Did you work on anything? Yeah, drove home Monday with my buddy Travis and been dealing with the ever present for me conquerors every tournament. I got to talk after the show with you guys about the trick because I certainly haven't figured out to avoid concrete. It's never COVID. It's just crap. I lick a lot of doorknobs beforehand into an early system. Sleep. Sleep is a key. Yeah. Lots of lots of lots of hydration and sleep. All right. Cool. Well, at any rate, let's just jump right in here. So we'll have a good 45 minutes to discuss this. Like I said, this will be a short show probably network because I've got to get to actual work and stuff. But let's talk about does everybody hear that each person's going to get like 10 minutes. It's fine. We're going to rotate through this discussion. I'm just going to sit here and talk like I'm not going to have one person talk or anything. I want to start with just general targeted right now. Yeah, sure. This is definitely the this is definitely the anti Tyler show at the keeping it to an hour. This is like this is what Tom and I used to do back in the beginning. We had our shows tight hour, tight hour shows keeping a tight hour. Yeah. All right. I want to start with general. Let's just start with general overview of what we felt about it and and you can throw in how you did because it's it's it's fine. Tyler, what was your what was your I don't want you don't need to go into games or whatever. What was your general impression? Did you have fun? What do you think of the tournament that kind of thing and then how'd you do overall? Yeah, of course, David Griffin, Anthony Castro to main gentleman behind the event with a number of others in support, including very thoughtful wives who allow them to do this every year with a enormous amount of work that goes into it. It's one of the best events in the country. It has been for a while. I was outstanding. Once again, I think we had what 84 players all seven dunes. So 96 registered 88 started 82 finished to finished. Okay, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, the tables looked fantastic. Again, some of the best, if not the best in the country. They're, you know, obviously, I have opinions about terrain. And so I would like to give some thoughts to Dave and Pocastro about maybe some changes. We may have some differences opinion about certain details on how to best do terrain. But overall, yeah, just an incredible tournament. I mean, I think the only thing that hit me with that, by the way, I did take a bunch of pictures off of Pocastro's Twitter and such. David only shared videos, which is nice during the event, but it's really hard for me to grab photos from like, I'm not going to screen cap the individual videos, which is a shame because he did have a lot of the videos of the final tables there during the last games, which feature all three of us. How about that? The and you know, the terrain is really awesome. Like it's really gorgeous and beautiful. I think the one thing I would say is we just need to define the garrisonable buildings probably. Yeah, that was one piece of it. Yeah, just because that ends up creating a bit of a discussion at the beginning, for the most part, it was just a couple of tables that really have like an sort of obscene amount of garrisonable buildings as it were. And so you have to have that discussion. But yeah, that's fine. But I agree, that's probably the main one, right? Because the terrain is big and beautiful and useful. Like boy, is there stuff on these tables that blocks line of sight, right? That's not a thing you can say like there you can these tables block line of sight for sure. There are tables where Archeon can block, have lines like that. Like that is a true statement. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so that's, you know, which is awesome, right? Like, it's great that that's a real thing. The terrain is impactful in the game. Like it will it absolutely set up sets of lanes when you and you know what they're sort of a general instruction was the beginning was, you know, have a discussion with your opponent and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, for the most part that works, but a lot of people are going to be like, they'll kind of hem and haw. Right. It's just easier if they had tokens that said like garrisonable on the buildings or whatever. Yeah. So yeah, that and just I'm tired of having games where somebody has a model that's wobbly modeling it, right? Yeah. And, you know, like 160 millimeter base that's hanging up a foot up on the table. And I don't know where the heck it's actually supposed to be and what its charge range is supposed to be, you know, all of those things. I'm just, I mean, that's, you know, six, seven years of that still it is. So I would love tournaments to just cut all that out. Yeah. I mean, I was pretty aggressive with it. And I had a big pipe late model, obviously, since I had Krondus, you should talk about what you ran by the way, Tyler, you know, you don't have to do the whole list or feel like you're real quick, but you know, obviously I had Krondus, I had this big 160 mil base. And I mean, I was the first one going like, okay, you want to say this and this and this are defensible when really I had one unit that could maybe take advantage of that. I never put anybody in a garrison. There's just never any purpose to it. But I did treat that terrain as impossible with my big monster. Like I never was like, well, let me get up on the building sideways. You know, I mean, like I tried to play like by, you know, good old fashioned fair or Warhammer as it were. So what were you actually running, Tyler? Yeah, Magikinam, Nurgle, Bless Suns. So the Nurgle Battletome doesn't really have a sub faction for your combined arms toolbox list, you know, with munificent wanderers, spam bears, drama and spam blightlords, etc. Right. So Bless Suns, I've got a number of mortal units, it's explosions on sixes when a unit it's kind of like the storm cast thing, you do disease points on sixes when you explode after you die in combat if you're within an inch per model. So yeah, the high level lord of afflictions as the general of a powering stench turn off commands. And then the arcane tome with ransom visitations, anti horse spell, never came into play. It's very situational. The two Magikin lords below ab with gift of disease and or guts, both absolutely incredible. Maybe a little too cheap to be honest, like 300 points for those guys is an amazing buy. And then two by 10 plague bears and expert conquerors by blackings and expert conquerors. That was the last change I made to the list. 100% the right change. Blackings and expert conquerors are phenomenal. How, you know, how difficult they are to remove to blightlords, single blightlord, three plague drones. There you go, Vince. Just for you, buddy. Yeah, boy. And a mind stealer kitty. Yeah, the kitty cat rock star of the tournament. Secret tech, secret tech. And how'd you finish overall, Tyler? I only got over the hump at Nashcon after three years of four ones. So go five. Oh, that's right. Tyler got the big five. Oh, Tom, you messed with your right before the show, you messed with something. And it like receded your position on my screen. So it's like Tyler's above me, like what the audience is seeing is Tyler and then me and then you, which is which is thematically appropriate. Yes, the stack here represents how well people did at Nashcon. After after Tom's banner year last year, we have to we have to poke a little fun here and there. Yeah, it was best general, which was added this year. So that was really cool. Yes, absolutely. Got a got a nice fancy sword. Yeah, you certainly did. So they got the five oh only ridge beach. He got you on on what he got you on like battle tactics or something, right? He had had one more battle tactic or something. Yeah, a few more. Yeah. So there you go. And yeah, so good stuff overall. I'll talk through mine real quick, and then Tom will do yours. And, you know, my overview of this was it was really great. I got to play poor people I've never played before. And then ironically, in the last round, I was paying a fair bit to our clubmate who like going to the last round, we all like myself, Tom and our other clubmate, who's a good friend of ours, you've known us for years and years and years, all had like remarkably identical scores. Like we were just within a hair's breadth of each other. The four of us were in the top six tables, right? Yeah, exactly. And so it was it was very funny because we the default wasn't that we would get paired against each other, but it was certainly possible because, you know, like a lot of the scores were very similar. So it had to rely on secondaries we couldn't see to pair around. So we didn't know exactly how it would work. And as it turned out, yes, I did get paired into our good friend who you got paired into his weekly game. I literally got to repair. He replayed his practice game for NashCon in Gamebot. The last game we practiced with, by the way, like we had done multiple practice games, but the very last game that we like not even a week before that we had done was the was those two lists against each other, which was good for both of us, right? Like he had a better idea what everything was capable of. In the end, I still took the game, but that's all right. It was still a good game. Met a lot of new great people. Saw a lot of people who I haven't seen for a while in many cases. So that was really nice. You know, one of the best parts about going to tournaments is just catching up with everybody that you don't get to see regularly, maybe a couple of times a year or something, if even, you know, once every couple of years. And so it was really fun. Enjoyed. Crandis enjoyed being a horrible person and rolling out purple fun. So, you know, my list was my main list. This is a two-list format at NashCon. And so my, I know your other list, Tyler, wasn't very different. Mine actually was pretty transformative. My primary list that I ran for most of the tournament was Crandis, Encantor, Relictor General, Two Foamies, Two Foamies, Two Storm Drake, Five Indictors, and Five Tree Rebs. Tree Rebs were rock stars, of course, as always. You know, that's just amazing. The Purple Sun was indeed purple fun, not for anybody, not any, I don't know for someone, apparently. No human being who I played against enjoyed it, that's for sure. What all did you put in the Sun, Vince? Oh, gosh, a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff went in the Sun. I ate a bunch of Indictors. I ate some Protectors in Game One. Didn't get any Heroes in Game One. My Tree Rebs did beat a Nerd up in Game One. I beat a Battle Mage to death with my Tree of Revenants, which was very funny. They got in there and just beat that Nerd. Game Two, I ate, I think, five Big Stabbas and a Wargog Prophet. That was a very clutch Wargog Prophet grab. It was the Infinistare Wargog, so he got eaten in the Sun, which is obvious, really, if you think. His special trick is staring, and as soon as I got him, I rolled the one, and I was like, yeah, I got him on the one. I was like, you know, the problem is, don't stare at the Sun. So there you go. I had the pun all ready to go. I put a Frost Lord on Stonehorn in there, which was not a very fun day for my opponent at all, who was already on the back foot in a big way, and then I ate one of his last, basically, three units. So that was kind of unfortunate for him. My Game Three, I basically got no one. No one went in the Sun because it was against Stormcast Oops, All Dragons, who were just basically immune to the Sun. So that was unfortunate. And then Game Five, I didn't play that list. I played Bastion, which was my off-list, which was Swap, Chronos and the Purple Sun for Bastion, Lord Imperitent, and Annihilators. So there you go. And then overall, went 4-1, took Best Painted and Best Order. So that was cool. That was great. I do want to shout out your opponent, Tom, which was John Anderson, right, who did score above me in order battle points, like as well. So did Tom Gwan, by the way, who was one point above me, the killer himself, who had handicapped himself, Tom, by running a four-carnosaur list all weekend, basically, just on a dare. And did very well with it. Did very well with a quad-carnosaur list. Went 4-1, yeah. So both of them were slightly above my points, but. His Warhammer in 30 minutes or less, because my tongue-clung experience was watching him just walk around tables the whole damn weekend. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I really didn't get to see Gwan other than the game that I was, like, Game 4 where I was next to him. I was next to him on 5-2. Regardless, I saw Tom walking a lot. Like, he would play. They'd roll. Like, within two minutes of being at the table, he was rolling dice. Yeah, yeah. So fast. And then within 30 minutes, the game was done. It's so crazy. That was my experience of Tom. Hyperbole aside, he did finish his game often in around an hour. That is absolutely true. He's so fast. Yeah. So both he and John Anderson were slightly above me on raw battle points, but David has other ancillary things that come in, namely winning Best Painted, getting sports votes, things like that. We'll, like, the three people who paid first, second and third for Best Painted, and all that contribute towards your Best Infection Awards, not toward, like, Best General. That's pure battle points. So I managed to leapfrog both of them and get that. So that was super cool. I realized, by the way, this is just a slight as I'm not, I'm not trying to, like, be unhumble here. It was just something that occurred to me that I've now taken at NashCon Best Destruction, Best Chaos and Best Order. Wow. Congratulations. Yeah. And that neat. I was thinking about what I got here. Yeah. I gotta take a death army. All they need to do for the, for me to do that is for them to make a death army that's even remotely interesting. So that's, that's really the challenge, challenge for you, GW. You mean you're telling me that vampires with a bunch of big dragons and blood knights don't interest you? Because I know you. Oh, come on. BS. They are your play style with a bunch of tricky, like, graveyards and small units. Like, that is your play style. Stop. Stop. And hold on. Was I right about Iron Jaws? Yes, but they're already, yes, sure. Absolutely. You were. But I'm telling you, I've played that. Soblight is your, I know, I don't like the current book. Maybe if they made a new book, they'd be fine, but I just don't like the current book. For me personally, I think, I think Soblight's an incredibly well written book. I just don't like it for me personally. They had a list, Tom. A list existed. Okay. And that I liked in death. And it was the FEC Vargolf list, and then they killed it, right? Sure. The Smash Bat. Yeah, bring back Smash Bat, and I'll take it to a tournament. Okay, that's, that's where I'm in for. Yeah. Yeah. Make Smash Bat great again. That's all I'm saying. Okay, so the, which is nice, because that has like, SPG in there, even though it's a wrong army, but it's fun. Yeah. So overall, I mean, amazing time. I was thrilled, obviously, with the result. And so had a lot of fun. Tommy, what about yours? Yeah. Man, I look forward to NashCon every year. Like I lament the NashCon or two that I had to miss. I think it was only one NashCon that I missed. Because this really is the high, one of the highlights, you know, like the banner events that I go to each year, like there are a lot of just excellent events. But obviously the Holy Wars, the Holy events that we talk about, for one reason, for like hobby narrative stuff. But NashCon, there is, to me, there is just truly, it is another level when you do the two list format, because it really, it really allows generals to look at the battlefield, look at the scenario, look at the enemy, and make very real decisions before any dice are rolled. And so that, like, to me, the two list format really allows generals to shine. And people who understand the game, right? Yeah, yeah. No, I love it. And so I will say it also lets you answer skews and stuff like that in really interesting ways. And armies that you might have a problem with normally, you can build a different list to hit to tackle like that particular army, like this is my, for example, one of my lists was absolutely like, oh, if I face Nighthaunt, this is this sort of the thing I'll play. Right? Yeah. So that's funny. I didn't, the thing I didn't calculate was how popular Nighthaunt would be going into this event. So I should have built my off list as an anti Nighthaunt list. Right. I did not. Luckily, I avoided that match, that mirror match. So there were a lot of Nighthaunt on Nighthaunt mirror matches. You're lucky you dodged it. Yeah, I am, I am one of the only ones, you know, that dodged that. So my game, so go ahead. It's fun watching how your brain works, Tom, because I remember the Friday night when you realized your potential mistake and then you obsessed over it. That's like 24 hours. Yeah, no. Well, like the next what you're right, the next 24 hours, I ran all the permutations of what would need to happen if I had a matchup, if it was a Scarlet Doom list versus if it was a quick silver list, and all the different ways that I would play it, because I knew that like I had thought through the other possibilities, right? I didn't think through Nighthaunt on Nighthaunt for some reason. I just, I'm so used to being like the only Nighthaunt player in the room, that it's just something that I wasn't thinking about. You hadn't adjusted to the fact that they're now the second most popular army in the meta. Yeah, absolutely. Which is funny, too, because obviously there's nine Nighthaunt lists and 10 Stormcast lists, right? I think that's what the numbers broke out to. And I did not dodge the Stormcast mirror. I played against Stormcast twice. Two out of my five games were against other Stormcast. So there you go. Amazing. So I took two lists. One, I took a variant of my standard Emerald Host list that I've been running, which is originally that it was more hero heavy. I went down in that Emerald Host. I went down to only four heroes, kind of the core four that I would consider, which is Guardian of Souls, Spirit Torment, Reich, Nohr, and Acruciator, which I consider those like those have to be in every single Nighthaunt list I build. And then the other two is negotiable. So I cut those completely. And then had a whole bunch of MSU. I've been a big stand of 20 Grimgas. And so in that, I had like a 20 Grimgas block, a 20 Chainrass, 10 Chainrass, five Hexrace, and then, you know, like a bunch of the small units. So five, three Spirit Hosts and two Chainrass or Chaingasts. And then I was running both the Terminexus and the Purple Sun. That list is kind of a variant of my standard. And I only ran it once. So I ended up running my off list more. And that was a six hero Quicksilver list. And it was just meat and bodies. And so that was, I got rid of my Terminexus for that match. And it was those standard six heroes. But I doubled up on Spirit Torments. And I doubled up on Cruciators. Doubling up on Cruciators in this meta, a really good deal. In fact, I don't know that I would ever go out. I mean, I don't know. The only drawback, the only matchup where double Cruciators not a good plan is against your mirror match, your Nighthaunt mirror match. And then I ran the 20 block, the 220 blocks of Grimgas and Chainrass, my five Hexrace. But then I ran two Tenors of Dreadside Herodons. And the number of looks that I got from players who are like, so what are these again? Yeah, like that just have no familiarity with it. And like those Dreadside did some work, son. So like a handful of them left Teclis on one wound, which I'll talk about. And like, like six of them or seven of them came in on him. And like, I just love, love, love the Herodons. So moving forward, I think I may play around with some Dreadside more. Maybe I might drop the 20 block of Grimgas and go to a 20 of Herodons. I don't know. We'll see. I'm tinkering around with it. And then I had the boat and Purple Sun in that list as well. For mobility and all that. My Purple Sun did almost nothing all weekend. He wasn't very hungry. He wasn't. Like he was just like, you know what? I hang out with these ghosts all day. I'm cool. I'm just going to like shine my purple light on everything and give everybody a penalty. The reality is that I... You used it as like one of your own figs more often than anything else because you would just put it in the line. I did. I put it in my line and actually like I used it to block off like charge lanes. Like my favorite was against Austin and Iron Jaws in game two where it was the one scenario that's like super first mover friendly, prize of delight. And he gave me one. And so like I bunkered around the point. I cut him off the hex race and then hit the charge lane where the mall crusher was going to come in where two buildings and I used the Purple Sun as my screen. And then behind that I put a bunch of bodies so he couldn't land. And so he had to go all the way around the buildings and come around the backside and engage my other castle. Which was... You could just have clarified for a bit. You can move through endless spells but you still can't land on them just like any other model. So they end up like they still take up physical space. Right. So like you were just using it to like literally take up physical space so he couldn't land that pipe late base anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And the reality is that Purple Sun is huge and like it is a large model and just like boats are some of the IDNS best screen Purple Sun for night on some of our best screens. You know you want to block charge lanes. That's how you do it. Yeah. Because you don't you don't take the negative penalty to save. So who cares. And like if they can they can move through it. Yeah. Yes. And if you happen to accidentally stare off one of your chain raster or something it's like oh no. You know who cares. Right. Right. I had three bites at Manfred in game one with my Purple Sun. He didn't need him. I had I had multiple bites at boats with KO boats in game four. Didn't need any. So I ate like mostly what I ate were Arcanauts somehow. And I got like two pigs in my game three. Okay. So yeah. The problem is you got to you got to get your son hungry beforehand. Yeah. Exactly. I have to starve him a little. That's the key. You also need to be worse at rolling the key is be really good at rolling ones when you don't want to. That's the that's the key because then then your dice won't know what you're trying what you're doing and they'll just they'll just act normal. Yep. So my matchups were Soul White Grave Lord's Iron Jaws Iron Jaws KO Luminev. Yeah. Well let's do that real quick. Hold on. Let's let's spin through this real quick. Let's let's we're going to keep this tight because nobody wants to hear about every detail of every move. Yeah. Okay. But we're going to spin through all our games here real quick. So Tyler we're we're just going to go Tyler me Tom. So we're going to we're going to rotate this through. Okay. So like game one. Pooch play like you know what we're playing against. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon Gilliam. And I did. He had Skaven Klan pestilence which I never played before didn't know a whole lot about. Be careful getting too close. I think it was 14 inches with great plague that can take control of one of your own models. Yeah. So he took in control of Orgots. Yeah. And I was one went away from losing my general in round two. So that would have been fun. But yeah. Ben's plagiarism signed that game dude. They were just burning through plague monks Tom. Oh yeah. Well I'm like since you're sure I like I'm sure I'm sure that I'm sure that against like monks they do great. Those plague monks that you see everywhere on the table in the meta. No it was it was a good game close to the chest. So I maybe maybe well we can go through the missions as we talk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Game one was close to the chest. Yeah. One thing that really shined you know so the Nurgle list basically has two play styles right. It's an extended castle at least how I've been playing an extended castle versus opponents that have death star type units right. Like a gate breaker or 10 protectors etc. Where I need to be able to try to leverage the cat bring weight of force on a particular target try to burn it down before it wax me as the mind sealer makes them a fight last. Otherwise it's a multi front engagement. You know like you made the point in our show Nurgle's spreading disease. That's what they want to do. Yeah. I found that they play really well in most games and competing across the board. You've got little forces right like or guts and 10 play bears of black kings and blow up etc etc. So we call those power pairs Tyler our pairs. Yes. Yeah. Indeed. New concept to me man. Excuse me. Yeah. So yeah let's do it. Let's do a fun moment. What was your highlight moment of your game one. Was it getting red mod. Was that the like highlight funny moment. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. You got red mob plagued. That's pretty great. My game one was against your clubmate who was running Stormcast and Tyler your clubmate and he had a will and I think Will's not like one of my club mates. Oh sorry. No. I'm sorry. This is Tom's friend. That's right. Sorry. I knew his friends on the road. Yeah. Sorry. Will which is Tom's friend from down the road. Yes. Tom's circle of mate there is running one of my list. That's how you're running down. Well. No. No. That's what got me confused because yes. I associate the protector list innately with you Tyler. I'm sorry. That's that's my role. It's very early. Yes. I'm sorry. I was running Will which against Will which is a guy who plays a Tom and he was running a Stormcast list that was a lot of vindictors and 20 protectors like two blocks of 10 protectors which at which to most armies I imagine would be fairly unmovable. I will admit this wasn't a match that particularly scared me just because he didn't have the casters or anything to stop Crandus and so Crandus was going to free cast purple sun all over him and out of a stick tempest. I had the arcane in the pocket as far as terrain goes so I was casting with plus four and you know protectors are real good but protectors at neg four rend don't last very long and so basically by the top of two I had cleaned up all the protectors. He made he nailed a long bomb charge on the top of two on his turn into Crandus took all 10 protectors into him but Crandus refused to fall stood strong and and then that was you know more or less it then from that point it was just flip it around and and Ben killed him. The it was it was a very I mean like don't be wrong that could have went the other way really easily right like that was obviously Crandus's built in neg one two attack was doing a lot of work there so that was really nice. The you know I did not expect him to land an 11 inch charge but hey sometimes it happens that's war hammer but it was a good game I think you know that that it kind of swung on that moment. The highlight of the game was absolutely beating up the he had a battle mage on a back point my true revs beat the crap out of that nerd that was the that was the moment of the game it was hilarious because that would have never happened before and sell this new book. Sure like the the battle mage had the worst life in this game he in his in his round one he got scrolled his spell just got scrolled it was his only caster right so his spell got scrolled off in round two he miscast and did three wounds to himself and then walked back to stand on a point and then at the bottom of two a bunch of weird tree people came in and just beat the living crap out of him so vengeance the tree yeah absolutely so that was my game one Tommy about yours my game one it was against a MSU soul blight list which was a whole bunch of skeletons and a whole bunch of grave guard like bounty hunters with great weapons and yeah I mean it went well it was tough in the sense that I mean graveyard do a lot of damage already when supported you give them bounty hunters and put them into night haunt and it's pretty pretty scary my favorite moment was other than the fact that it would have been putting manfred in the sun but manfred kept making his save instead it was the moment where I like multi-charged like I didn't have a favorable fight against manfred but I had enough on him that like you know I had like three or four grim gas rapers I had like two foot heroes like it wasn't going to kill him sure right and potentially like he could put a lot of damage on me sure but when I came in because everything else I was fighting with chaff I put all the debuffs on him too he's like minus one save strikes last minus one to hit and I was like I don't want to fight you manfred so you can have all the debuffs if you want to stay I'll beat your ass but otherwise goodbye um and sure enough he bounced so uh that was a fun like I've never applied debuffs as a D incentive to make people run away and and so that was a and that was just a quirk of the mat of what ended up happening was I was like you know what I'm gonna throw all these on him because I don't want him here um and sure enough he ran away so it was good nice uh yeah it was a good game game too tyler what was your game too yeah joseph hawkins uh I was a little worried about this matchup so this was the prize of galay galates whatever and that really does not play at all like a five objective mission even though there's five objectives on the battlefield it's more like a three objective mission right in terms of if even then if you're just getting into a deeper game so he had hello knight signs of the storm goddess of course go trick and go trick is still terrifying for some reason he can be a bounty hunters I don't understand it oh we've got a knight relic tour he couldn't afford a lord relic tour lord imperitence two by five libs five vindictors three annihilates with grand hammers and 10 protectors the running theme of this show boy are those showing up a lot more nowadays 10 protectors sure i'll fair amount of those at nash con and uh so I gave him first which I'm not sure was the right move but there it is uh I thought I made the dumbest mistake of the tournament putting my trio of flies on the battlefield lord of afflictions three plagiarians two light lords they're almost always off it helps get you in position to get plus three contagion points by being wholly within the opponent's territory helps with battle tactics sequencing positioning uh so you've got you know like barton mcline's desecrated lands to the common ones that we usually pick right in the in our battle in our battle rounds they're fantastic for that so the thought was I'm going to need them to help potentially deal with one of these hammer units that turned out to be the case but I'm still not sure that was the right decision it felt like one with the time but again first go trick goes in the middle I activate my right his left in the middle he puts 10 protectors translocated in the front of that objective five liberators behind and I do against the odds in in my round one bottom I almost lose or guts fence I told you this yeah that's how I don't think I mentioned this I disrespected three annihilators with grandhammers uh what was that mistake again no he I just wasn't thinking about the like the degree of spike potential with those things yeah god yeah yeah yeah he almost he he almost he probably should have on average burned down or guts in top of one which has never happened like I almost never lose or guts to begin with he was left with one wound uh so anyhow that that that was nearly a huge mistake uh so it came to round two right usually in prize of gallant you're giving away round two yep they're activating your objective in your territory and you're moving on with your life well I'm looking at the battlefield and my battle tactic situation is grim and I basically only have gaining momentum which is going to require taking control of that middle objective that 10 protectors are on so I have to burn down all 10 protectors in one turn with my norgal army which isn't that set up to do something like that so I was able to the only reason this happened was because of that kitty and the MVP of the tournament making them strike last and I put guessing you blow them did you blow up them um miasma pestilence blowab yep that was another huge element I had moved about 1200 points of my army in position for this potential in round two because I had screwed up by putting all the trio of flies on the battlefield to again hurt my ability to get battle tactics this is taking too long this story but anyway it was an absolute Hail Mary pass everything went off I had to move the lord of afflictions first because he has overpowering stench get older than seven of the protectors they cannot redeploy get into combat with everything after impact hits all the activations I think I kill like five of them he fights back does some damage I've got the kitty with minus two bravery in range no inspiring presence no all that defense battle shock by 10 protectors it took 1200 points of the army everything going off to save that game otherwise I probably would have been screwed sounds like you need a horigast in that army yeah sure and that would be helpful but yeah awesome opponent really really good player my game too was against one of sort of my nightmare pairups I'll be quick which was a body swamp bone splitters list and it's fun to watch yeah it's a great guy we've played before and I'm not generally gonna I'm not generally saying people's names because I don't know if they want me to say who they were but that's fine I don't know what I know it's okay um but like you know this was just he had 20 big staff is 20 20 big staff is like you had crondis and I had crondis and so this was actually a really interesting game because I mean he could just swamp everywhere right every objective he could cover like he had the entire board just flooded and it really turned there at the beginning like I went into him hard made him pop his wah right away because I otherwise I was going to lift the whole side of the board and so of course he popped his wah for the four board which kept some stuff alive I sacrificed played my dragons like I knew they were going to need to die so I basically use them to clear out as many of the big staff as I could and then just knowing that on the on the you know death throw of the spear they would go down and sure enough that's what happened but it was fine I got I picked up a bunch of the stabbas the sun was roaming around as I mentioned eating like a ton of big staff as well um and you know one of the clutch moments was he tried to sort of bury his his wargog in the middle of a bunch of bodies but he had left a space where the the sun could just pull right up to three inches and just stared at him and it was just like drop the one ate it and then you know I mean that wasn't like the the thing that turned the game or anything um but the the fun moment from the game was actually I had there's a little train piece that was like a set of stairs like a pyramid you know and I had some vindictors near it and he came at me with a bunch of his forces like I had I had stolen a point with him for vindictors because he hadn't just put quite enough bodies on there like by pure happenstance he'd only had four bodies there and so I dropped the I've translocated the five vindictors over and took that point during my turn and then he of course comes at me right and I redeploy away and I redeployed away from the last people that moved up and because he's moving all these different units right tons of these and so they they redeployed a big redeploy was like uh five inches or something and they went up the pyramid right and so he still made some charges of course and got into me but not with enough and so he only killed like two vindictors and so they came to my turn the vindictors retreated away again and so they're at like the top of the pyramid I was like it's that scene from alien versus predator which is like the dude up top just at the top of the pyramid just trying to punch all these monsters down so that was a very fun little little visual it was a really good game and I managed to pull it out so yeah Tommy your game too my game too was iron jaws I was prized obviously I was given top of one so I bunkered around the point I screened with hex race against his pigs blocked the lane with purple sun um and then he bounced on the hex race on hit on the bottom of one because of reasons you know just because hex race can do that right when they're on fours and vibes unrendable minus one to damage like that's what happens um the mall crusher had to come all the way around got in but didn't do enough damage just because again it was another castle with minus the damage and all that stuff and so he was kind of swamped on both or he like we were engaged on both of those fronts and then he got priority like he won the priority going into two and he had to make a decision does he give himself the point and me the turn or does he give it to me and and let me take have both of my castles on the two points for turns one and two so he took the turn which I was are he he gave me the turn sorry so that he could put the objective down so I was like cool and so I killed that entire unit of pigs and I killed the mall crusher in my turn because I had basically two castles right there sure and at that point half of his army almost was dead and I and he was facing down a whole night home and so it was just downhill from there sure again my favorite moment was using the purple sun as my screen yep all right let's keep it moving quick Tyler your game three okay let's be faster let's see so Eric Herbus teammate of Joseph Hawkins he was playing fire slayers he had six one of the six magma droths I believe and the other list two by 15 or kerthgar which I've never seen before in my life kudos to him he would have been probably a little bit better sorry by running the magmas though they put out a lot of shots he just couldn't play on objectives very well with the night his paths I you know stretched him out night's plaster playing the entire board right right and and and then I deep struck the trio flies which was a real nuisance in his backfill that pushed him have to go backward and yeah it was a it was a really tough matchup for him in that game uh I don't know if there are any particular highlights I mean I was pleasantly surprised by some you know the output I mean it is a lot of dice that the Oracroth guard can roll and you know if you're good on the the four plus rallies you can get some back but yeah it's it's definitely not the most efficient choice as far as night out as a fire slayers list goes yeah nothing nothing too detailed amazing guy to play though had an absolute blast yeah my game three was against a recent immigrant emigre whatever you say from from benjamin saba's group group and from over played a met him back in london pre-pandemic great dude he's over here and he he wanted a list that like was relatively straightforward to play so he's playing oops all dragons uh and oops all dragons turns out is a good match against just three dragons uh so you know couldn't that the sun couldn't get anything and and the dragons just overwhelm me and and basically just burnt me down there was a couple of bad trades that happened where I came up shy twice of killing the unit I needed two by one wound and then it was able to turn around and you know do too much damage in return uh and so that basically cost me the game so but it was a really good game felt like tight and interesting and like it could have gone either way but certainly a great player and had a great list so yeah um the the dragons done got me what do you do now they're still strong folks they're still strong tommy yeah yeah my game three was against uh mike westendorf from the indianapolis crew mike is a long time iron jaws player so it was i backed back iron jaws matches mike played a really cagey match man i was so impressed with his play it was high mobility he would engage basically one unit at a time and basically send like missiles of pigs in trying to like you know like put pressure in various points his maw crusher um he was running arcane home with the teleport which gave him a lot of mobility um you know and all the tactics to give him a reliable cast or fairly reliable cast um which let him reposition with an eight inch charge regularly interestingly he didn't get into combat until turn five with the maw crusher yeah um but we but i mean uh but uh yeah so the highlight in the low point of that game so this is one of the two games that i lost uh was it came down to three dice rolls for me um so i had three charges they were long charges but three charges and if i made any of them i won the game uh and i didn't make any of them so that's what happens right um yeah yeah game four tyler yeah game four second day soak still nest played against john indersen a hell of a player uh yep tom played him as well and in game five yeah we had a a really close game and uh this was the biggest puzzle of the weekend for me trying to figure out how to play against luneth i figured he was going to choose teclas 40 wardens 20 sentinels cathlar and win mage and zytrek you know it's the ultimate control army probably even better than leech and the first prince and uh if i had the no brain required blightlord spam sorry everybody running blightlords but uh you don't have to actually play the game in a proper way in my opinion when you're running that stupid list uh you just push everything forward if i were running that it probably would have been an easy game uh i wasn't playing that so it was uh it was a very difficult game to figure out in terms of the you know the options i could have played very conservatively looked to maybe try you know just maintain parity hold one hole two between us maybe look to extend the ranges of luneth where he can't necessarily do everything to me you know like he's got to make some choices with spell portal he knows he would have to move up to be in range for lambda light and searing and searing light right to get like all the 18 inch range at least some limitation so i thought about doing that i didn't do that i was worried about time and everything and you ended up winning by one point in that game closest game in the weekend you know uh john and i we we we figured out uh the this was really good lesson it was like the defining lesson for me of the weekend i'll just say it i don't think you would mind me saying it we had a miscommunication at the start of our game i'm glad we did because i think it got both of us to a really good place we connected at the end of it uh it was awesome it it showed me and i think both of us you know the importance of when particularly on top tables right when you're sitting down you need to make sure you're very clear about what kind of game we're going to have i've realized maybe what should have been obvious is that the key one of the key defining things when it comes to playing by intent is the question of are we allowing take backs or not and we had a miscommunication about that but it's all good we're we're in a great spot i would absolutely love to play him again again a phenomenal player and yeah it was it was the tightest game of the weekend yeah uh my game for saturday morning was against a bcr monster truck list so it was all all monster trucks which is a pretty scary matchup for me honestly like i can i can certainly handle i can take down any one of them anytime i want but obviously then they're gonna they're gonna then smash anything that they touch back off the board right and it was a very sort of kg game of a lot of like playing back and forth he was a great player he was like setting up the right moves um i just managed to basically get a few uh you know sort of like position and set myself up to like have lucky dice go in my favor and they did um as i said this is the game where i ate his frost lord on stone horn so i mean that basically was like the nail in the coffin of the game for him um and took it out so um it was a great opponent he was a really good dude he was very frustrated by the sun and like i understand why it's just not a fun thing to have your general and a 500 point model get rinsed because i ruled one die so it's an unfortunate moment for him um but yeah that was the game tony yeah um game four i played uh the one ko player um and uh it was great he was playing mostly boats uh and uh i he gave me the top of one it was this is my the moment for me there's a couple good moments in here but the real moment was in setup and we were kind of like deploying things and setting stuff out and he said why are you familiar with ko and i just respond simply uh yeah you know i know a little bit about him and the look of him like incredulous the incredulous look that i received from tom buon who was like diagonal opposite of me but you overheard me say that like truly made like the day for me just because uh like obviously i i i took ko last year and won an ash con with ko and so uh but it was fun you won bolt wars too tom uh yeah but not one um no no no no that's a joke i just gotta get that as an example thank i appreciate that um it was a great game against the ko player um the uh he gave me the top of one which isn't surprising i moved it again here's another example um i used my off list so my endless spell terminus standard uh night hunt list and i pushed my purple sun and the terminus out into the like the middle field so if he was so it was not only occupying space if he if he is dolphin hero phase moved into the middle he was going to get caught by at least one of endless spells right um for his alpha which he did i anticipated just like i expected and i was able to like hit him with terminus and run it through like all five units that was there in that zilfin boat uh which was not a good day for him um and then i won priority going into two and i gave him the double and the just the look of like of like like his own look of uh incredulousness on his face when i was like nah ko player you can have the double the the shooting double going into two um and he picked up right nor and like a unit of ten rafts or whatever but from that point on like he was just on the back foot sure so yeah nice all right final game well tyler oh and let me just say hold on and let me just say i feel bad because i feel almost single-handedly responsible for warping ko stats up and down because he was doing great at this event up until this point um i apologize ko community in the in the in the hosts of aether cast sure tyler your last game all right gents game five let's see we had head on collision uh actually really like that mission i mean you're generally playing to dominate the center of the battlefield while holding onto your own and if you can apply some pressure on your opponents four points right so i was playing against show pagano tough crowd uh we joe was fantastic we had the best game uh he plays a very clean game of warhams uh props to him he took home the other i think the other person the only other person of the new vents to take home dual blades there was three because that the guy who took the best um took one of the other award yeah the best sports person also took one yeah good oh nice okay very cool yeah so pagano had players choice is phenomenal just beautiful sole blight army and was gorgeous joe you did a great job that's amazing yeah so head on collision i was very very fortunate to have lower drops this is the only game where when i had the choice i decided to go first because there was no way i could allow go to you know dark mist 10 blood knights from nefi two up ignoring rend easily and just have them alpha pin me in my deployment where i'm not going to have any shot out of competing on the middle so i'm going to the middle was again fortunate with his bad roles my good roles on some lucky unbinds stretched him out a lot zoned out grave sites and was able to burn down those 10 blood knights i believe by the end of brown two just combination of you know weight of dice and all the impact hits in the world miasma pestilence was was amazing again and he's just he's got a great list though like i i love how he built that list and clearly he played it really really well over the weekend yeah i also got to play i saw him take the coven throne into a cross buying incarnate and then just shutter it repeatedly so it couldn't fight so it's just stuck there with the coming from being shuttered yeah which was just the best move i saw i think he did that in the game before he played you um my game five was against as i said one of our club mates good buddy who was running knights of the empty throne with bellicor and an incarnate so this is like three very potent threats in the sixth baron guard and the and bellicor and the the crown spine and i actually gave him the the top of one which let him spread out and actually hold the middle which is what i wanted i wanted him to spread out i knew i was sacrificing the the middle play points but i was sure i could make it up and then i basically just pulled him apart by pulling to both sides and making him go fight me like i dropped hard into his back line so the baron guard had to redeploy away from the middle which then left everything in the baseline i got him to go where he didn't want and he took his whole army that way because he had to deal with it otherwise i was going to kill everything in his back line and from there it was just cleanup because i managed to hold his objective for two turns basically his home objective for two turns and he was never going to get at mine like i was almost staying 22 inches away from the baron guard while still holding my point and so he had no ability to push in on me um and at that point i you know i think i pulled uh like 10 points and 12 points or something 11 points you know two rounds back to back it's just a killer so um and things just i i managed to get the game to go where i wanted it to go um the annihilators were mvp the tree revs again got in there and fought punched another nerd um they killed the chaos sorcerer lord this time so uh just punching nerds that was great um tom how'd you end the tournament yeah so my final game was against john anderson um john's an excellent on table five john's an excellent player um he unsurprisingly let me go first uh i kind of invited him to go first um i pulled uh i uh i pulled a bunch of uh the two tens of heritans and the 20 gram gas off because it was going to be easier to deep strike them because i knew i just had to swamp them i had to get in his lines getting his guts and see what happened right and so i put my support up front and basically kind of invited him to do as much damage as he could um and to see if he you know because i knew that his uh he only is only running 20 sentinels and teclas and then four blocks of uh four tens of wardens and so i knew that his alpha was uh more limited um and so uh he ended up killing he ended up uh against his better judgment splitting attacks on my two spirit torments and actually ended up getting both of them we were both surprised his 20 shots um he just rolled uh out of the out of the out of the box on those uh on those fives and sixes which happens sentinels still good sentinels still good uh i went into him at the top of one with uh just ten heritans and some support heroes and picked up a unit of wardens which created an open lane towards teclas um i doubled him and i took that um and i went into teclas ripe nor cast an arcane bolt and um i left uh i should have arcane bolded teclas and i didn't that was my bad so that was one of the two errors that i played over because you left you left teclas on one wound and then you teleported and then what ended up happening was you know when i got into combat with him i left him on one yeah and john was was was generous enough to roll the four up a spell ignore which he did not succeed and he was generous enough to then roll to check on his ward save which teclas would not have succeeded um i also didn't send purple sun into teclas when i had the opportunity because i didn't want to take all the mortal wounds back on her four plus uh john was gracious enough to roll that for me and uh teclas would not have ignored that and we rolled the one so i would have eaten teclas with a son um again uh if he was john super generous to show me what could have happened yeah it's just the other world that wasn't the world that wasn't exactly uh but i didn't send uh the sun in and so i left teclas on one wound he teleported out um and it was just a painful go um going into turn three i had another shot to pull it back i dropped my other ten of heritans got the remnants of that first heritain unit and those heritans into his sentinels um and uh i lift he basically deleted the tenor that i sent in but the other six that made it in um cut down 14 sentinels um and then the other but the other error that we had was that he failed his cathalar roll and inspiring presence and i didn't catch that's how they battle shocked immune on the second one which they shouldn't have been able to do because they were terrified so they were terrified but i but we might have done bonus damage against them as well um and they technically weren't gv i don't know so we need to like that we both misplayed that interaction um and i don't know how much how how much that would have changed that or not right sure um and so uh so he ended up uh john ended up taking uh home uh game five and and taken fifth four so it was a great game um i got the best tactician as well i saw he did he did a tactician for yeah the most powerful he did he did get the best tactician um then i i could have i could have taken your best order or best uh no i would have taken best death sorry um uh yeah i don't know what i'm saying yeah i would have taken best death i wasn't hurt you i'm the only host here that didn't come home with a sword this year so but my two losses were two close games so if i'm going to lose them that's how i want to lose them absolutely so good games all around we need to call it a day here as i said short show but thank you everybody for watching don't forget to hit like i didn't mention during the show but hit like subscribe do all those fun things don't forget this friday be watching my twitter it's down in the description at warhammer weekly as well as other things on this channel friday and saturday it's going to be a big weekend folks big weekend uh very excited about the upcoming launch uh of maybe uh maybe something special uh so uh tom tyler thank you so much boys as always much appreciated