 Alright, hi everyone. Another one. I'll wait till they're coming. Okay, more? So, I'm doing a presentation on the Fedora Magazine. I think most people in the community at this point, have probably heard of it. If not, you're either a new contributor or living under a rock. I'm still waiting for my subscription to show up. So, a little about me. Just a quick introduction. So, I've been with Fedora since about mid-fifth F18. I started with actually the docs team. Started doing some stuff there. Come to find out that I enjoy a little bit more marketing and a little bit more technical. So, I kind of was trying to find my place. And so, after going through and talking to a few people, the marketing team was the best choice. So, I went up and joined with them. Here's my contact info. In case anything ever blows up with the Fedora Magazine or anything like that. So, what I kind of do is the Fedora Magazine, we kind of split up between two different groups. So, we have contributors who write articles. And I kind of do the more technical standpoint to make sure that it stays alive and running. As you probably noticed, everything Fedora now, whether it be Facebook, Twitter, Google+, it comes back to the site. So, this site cannot go down. So, it's been, I pretty much do the back end. So, I kind of stay behind the scenes. I'll do an article every so often, but mostly to stay behind the scenes and help out with other marketing related tool tasks as well. So, what we're going to cover today is actually what is the Fedora Magazine? What it looked like when we first started up to now. How we do updates and enhancements like translations, so forth. And then how can you contribute, which is a big question. So, the Fedora Magazine, does anybody remember the Fedora Weekly News? All right. This is what the Fedora Magazine is now. There's officially the Fedora Weekly News. So, everything that come is official for Fedora comes to this site. We have the blog or the planet, which is more user friendly or more personable for like a blog type item. But this is anything official with Fedora. And it's actually run to WordPress. So, most people here, I think, have played with WordPress at all. So, we've taken a basic WordPress site and made it awesome. Thank you to Ryan. So, some of the items that are on the Fedora Magazine, we have general announcements news. So, you guys have seen when we launched Fedora Alpha, or the Alpha Phase, Beta, NRGA development announcements. So, we're going to launch, say, you know, if the development team comes out, they're going to do test days, anything like that. They report on that as well. Event reports, flock. Any type of event, bug cons, Asia, any VO, we'll report back. That's supposed to be one of the things the ambassadors do, is they submit an event report and then they can either write an article or hand it off to somebody who will help do that. And then we have Matthew Miller, who is a big contributor to the Fedora Magazine. He writes, say, five things in Fedora every week. I think it's every Monday. And so, it's basically a summary of what's happening in Fedora this week. And so, that's our main, big post every week. And then anything else that anybody wants to write about related to Fedora in general, that's not kind of like a personal story. So, that's what the Fedora plan is for. So, I know a lot of people want to hear technical and they want to hear the tech side of it too. So, I'm going to cover both how to contribute and how it's actually laid out. Because most people have kind of heard that we're no longer on OpenShift. So, I want to just highlight how this site keeps up with all the traffic that we have. So, we have Wordpress right now running on a normal lamp stack on RalphSix. So, we're using Apache, PHP, it's a virtual machine that runs on a hosting machine. It runs on 8 gigs. So, what this is good for is the site right now usually runs around 4. We use 8 for when we launch the new version of Fedora or when we see any type of traffic coming in so we can scale up. And then as we see the traffic come down, we'll scale down. So, right now we're running it out I think 6 because the site's getting hammered because of the flock. But that's nice because it allows us to scale up based on what we need. And we use Puppet and Catello to manage the site. So, the site right now is pretty much automated. So, both of these projects are upstream. So, we try to keep up with the open source as well. So, Puppet manages the configuration management of the site and then Catello actually manages the patching management. So, we have a staging site where you can play around with the best new plugins and so forth. And so, what we do is when we do patching we patch the staging site first to make sure that any new kernels come in. Any new packages will survive that first. And then if that survives, we'll push it into the production box. That way we're not just doing them update-wide and blowing up the box. So, Catello and Puppet help out with that a lot. The site. So, when I first came into Fedora marketing, Ruth was like we've got this magazine site and we really want to do something with it. I was like, alright so, it was me and another guy I think Zacharias or Mitzi and IRC. So, we were like, alright what can we do with this? And so, this is what it looked like. Now, anything like it is today and so we were kind of like how do we make this popular for Fedora? So, with consistent talk with Ryan and the design team we improved it a little bit and then we even made it more. And then now we have it today where it is completely revamped and this is by far when we change the theme over Matthew Miller tweeted about it and this is by far the best thing that we've ever heard back from on the theme. Even other distributions who on Twitter have even commented on it. Oh my God, a bun to you. Even praised how the theme looks. So, this is our driving site for anything Fedora related. And so, actually when I was going through the slides this was from 2014. I was actually just going to delete these but I was like, you know what? It would really be kind of cool to show in retrospect from last year how much traffic we've gotten since we've changed over and made Fedora Magazine official for any documentation. So, June we hit 60,000 views which really in a place, okay some of that's robots hitting it some of that's just but for us back then that was really huge. So now I want to put that in perspective with today. So now, this is anybody who has access to the site which is anybody who signs up if you don't have to be an admin or anything you can see this. So right now I took this picture today. So, so far today we've hit 4,000 views our best ever was 31,000 and at one point we had almost 1,700,000. And so far right now May we've had over 120,000 views. So our traffic as you can see has almost quadrupled since we've put it in perspective Yeah, and one of the things too and Robert mentioned this in his talk is we made a widget now with start.fedora.project.org which will pull in the articles from the Fedora Magazine so that has increased traffic and traffic just anywhere in general. Ever since we've changed the theme around and started putting things to Fedora or putting everything on Fedora Magazine has really helped. And so it really hurt us so about a year and a half ago the site crashed around December. And we started tweeting and posting things to Fedora Magazine not as much as we do now but the site died and people who were helping me with it we kind of just it just kind of died for a while and so we really we brought back Fedora Magazine back up I built it back up from the ground up on OpenShift and so but everybody was kind of afraid to post stuff because as anybody's seen we would have people would go to it and then we'd have outages and so forth and so something just you know not too recently ago we tweeted about something and then we went to the site and the site wasn't there because it crashed on OpenShift so people on Facebook and Twitter were like where's the post? And then I think one time I had to message Yuri and say hey can you take this down because the post doesn't exist anymore when I brought it back up it's not there so a lot of issues but now that we're stable and we have traffic coming to it and we're tweeting about it as official that we've really brought to Fedora Magazine for the rest of our life where as before it was like a project that you kind of uh okay but now it's but yeah traffic is amazing on it right now Hey Gress maybe you're going to give a curious mention of the factor being the redesign I'm curious how much of the traffic goes straight to the front page versus how much comes in by search because the redesign and what a lot of it is we do have a reddit a lot of it's coming from reddit a lot is coming from start.fedora let me actually go to that page it's kind of right here but I can I took the next one actually no it's right so we can actually see where the traffic is coming from I can get to this slide a little bit later but it will actually show us like this one start.fedora here's all of our search engines our reddit and twitter I can't read what those two are so the majority of it first social media site that gets the most twitter and then facebook and then google plus I've got all time statistics and we have 5.5 and the biggest source is the starting page it's like 250.000 bits and then google plus the second is google plus and then reddit it would be like okay correct they will do the search terms too so like down here a little bit more so actually show us which pages they're actually clicking on so sometimes even if they go to the start or they just go to the main page they'll actually have to click on something so that's what this site, this plugin will do is actually tell us which sites for example on nokey today I published an article for him yesterday and he asked me where's my page at how many views do I have and I actually sold them yours actually had over a thousand views already so we can see which actually where they're clicking the first terms that they're using and so forth and one thing that's that says in the furrows of twitter right I do think that that has a role because people from other distros have a firm but if the design is as bad as it was at the same time the bad one it really would make someone I think it would but we still already know the units right how long I'm just in for rain and the package but what part of the design and whatever helps in solution media is the article banner we have because if you for example post about the article about my post I recognize and it's always one of the things too is definitely the design I really think if you look at when we went to this and we were on we're not going to go to that one we were on this one and I started trying to tell people about fedora magazine nobody really could take it seriously because they just like oh it's just a wordpress blog so what's really going to be different about that compared to the plant fedora planet so then when we went to this one it looked a lot better but people were still kind of not really taken seriously and I think as soon as like that right there I mean as soon as we made the switch to this everybody who didn't take fedora magazine seriously it just changed their perspective on it I mean definitely I think we've got better it's a combination of multiple things we've got a better design we've got better content that's going to it and we also have I also notice when going through the site there's every so often where fedora will make an announcement and it doesn't get an article on fedora magazine and something a site like zdnet or somebody will share an older article on fedora magazine and it will get a ton of traffic from that so that's what we see a lot of as well so some of the older magazines or older articles for some reason and it will just generate a whole bunch of traffic as well but one of the things definitely it's the design that's definitely changed ever since we changed the design in the start dot fedora we've had nothing about increased traffic which is good and quality articles I can say from when we were on the older design some of the articles were not quality so they were more content based how can we get more stuff onto the site and we've kind of changed that approach now to more quality articles and so it's starting to get because I remember when I first started doing stuff we needed more stuff and so we were kind of like well we posted our meat on and it's exactly right right you know maybe that's not yeah meeting notes and all kinds of stuff yeah or people would just upload a video and just not comment about it or anything just upload a video and that would go up there so yeah definitely more quality content is up there now one thing you know Paul you found the plugin for search engine optimization so one thing a post has to go through now is when you write a post you need to make sure that always the featured image is very good we don't want something like before we used to have just a fedora logo now we have a tailor to every little that one does that's my fault I had to get that one out well thank you but most of them as you can see are definitely Matthew Miller's got his signature one but every article that's different has a very good featured image so right off the bat we're looking at that and saying okay we've got something very beautiful and also right now too is you can actually comment so you can actually see that these have comments on them they're almost interactive at this point now whereas before you'd have to click on the post see if anybody commented it wouldn't send an update to you if you did get an update so a lot of people would comment do the metrics that you're looking at show that you were spending more time with the site now that's where it refers to the re-making itself I think it does actually track it yeah I can pull up just to see it yeah definitely but yeah overall definitely much better and I think definitely it is a lot of design but it's also how we've taken the approach to articles not just posting I hate to say the word a garbage up to the site to get people to look at it so now we've maintained an image so yeah we're averaging about 3,700 page views a day this today I actually when I took that picture we were at 3,700 when I was in the last talk we were up to almost about 4,400 just today so we're definitely so this is I think the article everybody was looking at hopefully everybody can see it but we've got the search engine terms the clicks of where they're actually clicking at and then we've got the top posting pages and then if you actually expand these out you can actually see what the search where they're actually coming from and so forth so it does get pretty detailed especially for a free plugin which is really nice so the future of it so definitely I think we're already kind of there with quality content but I kind of want to see what for most of you guys what you think would kind of even help it more I mean we definitely we hit the nail on the head with the theme change and we definitely are getting more quality content but one thing I am seeing too though is we're not getting it's from the same people so it would be nice to I want to see more contributors come to the site so one thing that I've done is a lot of people and this has been brought up is there's a roadblock for every group to join so at first we wanted and I'll cover this later but I wanted to say it ahead of time is you get to join a mailing list pop an IRC what do I write about then I have to get an account on the magazine I've made it now so anybody can sign up it will give you admin access it will give you the permissions to write an article and you can't publish it so what I've done is I've tried to make it as easy as possible by taking out any roadblocks and you just log in with your fast account so you don't even need to make a username or password so we've eliminated any roadblocks I could possibly think of to not to getting an article in the magazine but I wanted to kind of see what you guys thought of what would make it better to get more contributors yeah I guess okay I have two ideas on the old pages we had always um I mean not the war magazine page I mean the war blogging pages we had always a category that was shown where Figuar is presenting on an event it was always second because it was never after that can we have two weeks or something like that and particularly Figuar and put it in the next upcoming event and what people present here and what will happen here and that can come directly off the events now it will be the ambassador's app and really that could be like a five-minute job or something that's updated but it's not here no no no they do keep there in fact I just checked about four weeks ago I mean it may not be quite as many events happening in Michigan but it was definitely that's something we can actually ask the family about yeah I think we get something I don't think that's a worry I think having even just a little sidebar is looking for a solution how many people in here have written for the magazine at least once you were motivated the reason where I'm going with that is where I'm going with that is do you think we would get more contributions when someone wrote for Figuar maybe some of the t-shirt or something that was sort of exclusive so you actually have to write for them they could say five times if somebody writes a decent article we perfectly have and by the way I feel very conflicted about encouraging people to write for Figuar yeah so if I can make a suggestion for and this is not to say money but the underlying the thing that we need to get right oh you understand I'm sorry Figuar is through a webpage written most of the statistics that she has always posted to the plan for this interview when you really put out statistics the ones from the design team were published pages but I think as I thought about it is it not better to bring this into the magazine and make his pages to give more statistics to do and publish this but pushing this statistic always to the planning how do you actually organize everything to SEO of tomorrow I mean if somebody is interested in that I think it's better to do medicine than the planning so I think that the magazine is really important for the viewers and I think for contributors who are going to talk here now they're going to speak so I think I think it will be smart for us to acknowledge that I think there's a couple different opinions about how whether the magazine is better off combining user and contributor user focus stories and contributor focus stories for this separate this so I think there's I think there are a couple different camps about whether we should do that and I don't know whether we want to get to this discussion about them then I think that what we have seen what we can factory show is that the user focus stories that we have far on a certain number of viewers from the contributor focus stories even though they all get the same public we all get the same we put it out on Twitter and we request that Facebook and we all feel so comfortable with the public and the audience and so forth so I don't think there's any difference that we address them that means that we also acknowledge that there are not a lot of places where people can get a filtered view of content as opposed to the raw of the planet they can get less filtered stories than the truth so anyway having said that I don't even want to get as far down to that in that discussion but I have an idea at least it's something that we ought to think about seriously which is in order to engage contributors in writing stories for the magazine and being involved in the magazine and one of the things that we desperately need is really the regularity schedule and a true editorial managing process so that people's posts get published because what we've more found is that people don't like the things and they don't get attention and when somebody writes and their story doesn't ever go anywhere that's a huge distance to write again and they might pass on and say well I wrote something in the magazine but I don't want to go there because it's just like centering people who really want to write in order to do that we also have to have a path to publication and so one of the things that I put on the thread like on the list recently was let's set up a managing editorial board meeting so that we can have a schedule and the tools exist on its site the tools exist so that we can have a schedule and actually know we're going to publish this on Tuesday this on Wednesday we're going to be rotating every week and even be able to track who's supposed to be handling the story so if somebody may have like only one story a week that happened and we just pretty love a pretty lovely one story so that might really help I think if nothing else that would create an incentive for people to know their stories that they'll publish yes you answered by not I'm guilty of that so I've been writing for but also need to take I'm just discovered this and there are a bunch of like marketing tasks in there but there's stuff that we're already writing I know there were not so many but that task list is numbered every time but I don't think they changed a few tasks two or three releases to figure out but it's not good I mean there's a bunch of action and people are getting so out of the way I just wanted to add this is minor and silly but I don't see a lot of experience a year ago that I was trying to push an article for the book on ethnic drama and it got stopped because I didn't really know how to follow and the other thing I didn't have the time I know that that was a year ago you made a lot of change but I think with that to have a kind of a central description we can easily add the links back to the login just because I haven't really seen any emails like the marketing email thread the mailing list is kind of how to sign up how to contribute to it or it could be the page that says this is candidate material when it's needed versus climate versus war law and it's definitely the enough page is actually put together a page for how to write an article for the page and there's another page which is what to do if you just have an idea you don't want to write and that's for a perception standpoint I only seen one or two emails across the mailing list saying I have trouble logging in we used to, before we incorporated FAFSA you would have your own username and that brought up a lot of risk with the security team they didn't like that being housed on the server we also had a lot of people like I signed up with my FAFSA then we had to reset passwords so we just went over to letting FAFSA handle it and since then it's all that's tapered off so we can definitely add those back so I just didn't think from a perception standpoint from not seeing any emails that everything was good with it so that brings us into our next thing so how do we update and make an enhancement so you guys have seen all the theme changes the search engine plugin that Paul found we have some translate plugins so how do we use to test it so we used to test it just if we would install a plugin and this plugin could be from somebody that's tested it one that met our needs and nobody really it wasn't ever updated put it in, hey guys can you try this and then I'll email it to the mailing list oh it works, alright cool off it goes, not the best way to do it I think anybody in here any technical person here know that you never should push anything into production without testing it first so that's the old like I tested it and ok it works good to go and then I get an email from JZB or Roots or somebody, the site's down there you go, figure out what I did wrong there come to find out that the author never updated the plugin in like a year but it worked at that time so the new way so we have a staging instance that mirrors the Fedora magazine it may not be up right now because I was having direct change but it mirrors the Fedora magazine anybody can log in it goes to your FAST feel free to blow up the site you can test plugins there you can test themes, you can test anything you want and the goal of this is because as again we're a community so I can't figure out all the things that we need like Paul found the awesome search plugin I know, I forget the name of the person but he found a really good translate plugin plugins are found by people and we welcome ideas we want to make the site better we want plugins that are really good that are not going to bog down the site but we also don't want 1000 plugins loaded into the site as well so, but one thing that we want is as a community we want to make our site better and rather than having to go through all this red tape we've set up a staging site where you guys can test things it's snapshot, so if it blows up it's no big deal the specs are pretty much similar and so what we've done is if it lasts, the plugin lasts for two weeks without really causing any issues we'll go ahead and push it so if there's something that you guys need immediately you can always email us Paul, me, JCB any of the admins on the site and we can put it into, but this is the way that we wanted to do things to get more community so it's not like everybody doesn't think it's locked down or anything you had a question? so how can I contribute? so this is the big thing so the number one thing is I don't know what to write about how do I join, what do I do how do I actually get an account and so forth so again, we've all heard about this all flock we have a mailing list, the marketing mailing list is the main mailing list we have a magazine one but we figured that it'd be better and seen by more people if it was on the marketing mailing list and that way we can also too if somebody says, hey I need help there's more chance to get a response and also spawn off different ideas like, oh, this person wrote about this now I have an idea to write something about this and that could be put into marketing as well so we've condensed it to one so again, if you don't have an account a fast account, you do need one just to actually say hi on the mailing list and so forth, or even talk about an idea not needed, just send an email from the mailing list and the third thing I actually took off I should have taken off but this was our number one blocker how do I sign up for an account I signed up for an account it needs to be approved by somebody I'm only a subscriber can you bump me up so I can write an article and again, thank you for the word trust for them changing how they do their security settings so now, anybody who signs up can write an article it can't be published so let blocks people from spam are signing up and writing bad things that would show up on the site but anybody can sign up and write an article so and again with people mentioning things so if you write an article feel free to send it out on the mailing list and say hey can somebody look at this can somebody do it I know it hasn't been sometimes but it's really we have three roles of users we have authors or we have four subscribers, anybody who wants to make an account and just look on the site for read stuff or comments we have authors, which is the default account for anybody who wants to write we have editors and those are the people that should be going through and looking at articles proof reading them and helping mentor that person to publish them or work on critiquing the article it really shouldn't be go change it, it should be work with that person to kind of learn how to write an article better and then and that person will then move up then as well this is almost like a ranking system and then the final one is admin which is just the same as editor but you can install plugins and change site settings, so it's really the two are really not there's only needs to be a few admins out of it you should be able to install plugins yeah, I I said the default level for admins everybody's an admin on the staging site just because, like I said, if it blows up I just revert the snapshot and it's back to normal so the only thing that's not different about it is it doesn't always, I have to do a manual sync for it to pull in all the updates so if you go to staging it may be like a few weeks behind from what you see, but it's still functional updates and so forth but everybody who's an editor, that's one of the things on the wiki is that you should go through review comments because there's a bot that will scan the comments to make sure they're not spam but we all know computers can't do everything correctly so a few do get through and a few are normal people who do need their comments actually approved so the authors or the editor's job should be reviewing articles for spell check, translations and also reviewing comments because it is crucial if we don't approve comments and somebody's legitimately asking a question that looks bad too because now I've wrote in a comment but my comment's never shown up now so the other thing actually before I go into questions is one thing I've seen with post is if you write an article and somebody comments on your thread or your post please do not just abandon it because a lot of times those questions are people actually asking for things yeah they'll be like okay it's a good article but a lot of people are asking questions and if you just abandon the article that really looks bad on us because somebody's coming to you and asking for help or a question on your article and you're just basically ignoring them so it's always good to double check your article especially if it's a really popular one just to go back maybe once once a week or so and just check it hmm I have a question about the comment I think it would be possible to like let people publish the comments yeah yeah it's a lot of stuff it's a lot of stuff now we're using the the reason that he catches the bulk of it first the other thing too is that somebody really has a grudge or something and they come in and yeah so it's easier just to kind of let the bots catch it and go through and there's we can sound like there are mean people in the interview never Paul, never when we get any DDoS attacks because I we are maintaining further I don't see that and we get like at least two DDoS attacks so that goes back to the technical side it has a firewall for sin packing and dropping so with using what is it patches load balancer test program we've hammered it multiple times and it's never dropped the connection so the firewall rules are set up to block any type of DDoS attacks so I say that and somebody probably will do it in here but it's not guaranteed but it has survived the patches load balancer test so which should simulate a DDoS attack easy question so I brought that actually to go back look at the old one I brought it up when Ryan was designing the theme and I mentioned to him about we took these away and I actually personally like these ideas because we can kind of see the man of the that was impressive see Allison Hanigan Allison Hanigan but no when we were designing the theme one thing that from this right here is I really do being able to miss like being able to filter I mean definitely we don't really need like store news to kind of repetitious there but it would be nice to have a way a search box or a way to find something like especially like this one events was really nice because any events we would do we just click right there and you can see fudcons flock videos I Ryan when you click on it there would be all old news so the amount of people the only sort of incoming stuff the old stuff is through Google links as opposed to and that's why we went the idea of having the related content on the side my question was for years and then once you that's and I've also just and I turn on these once these little sidebars and that really destroys the theme so we can't even use like the legends I think with the theme so we had so so these widgets right here you can add these and kind of have like a calendar like on some WordPress sites it will show the days and then how many posts but if we add that to the current theme it really it looks like it looked like this one yeah yeah I'm also like to be honest I've never thought in my head inside that I saw this in that for me it's like I saw this kind of writing people I'm a writer and I want you to kind of maybe quote from I remember this story that's why I if you ever got access to the dashboard or something like that no you think writer different right now I mean writer outside journalists or something like that who wants to quote from that article why would you search for the content you're joking me it's not just you're looking for maybe like also for the title but you do it in an upright you know that's the point I'm not sure I have to search right now there is search now well also in every article every outside I will grant you that those people may not work that way sometimes when I have a problem like I'm doing a presentation I'd like to see what we're talking about this time last year a business facility it's a what was going on in four or two years can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can we verify it can see. So I know sometimes one of the blockers is people are kind of afraid because of how much traffic the site gets they're like oh I don't want to get on this thing of having a repeat article I just want to do a one-time thing. That's fine but like I said it's definitely a good way to kind of like get in a series of something. I used to do the badges and it's a good way just to just to contribute to. It's a very easy method of contribution. It's a very very streamlined. So I also verified so so our site like in the other front page we're doing instead of talking we're doing everybody will love it but the great thing is yeah I think we like eight minutes yeah yeah yeah we've got another instance just like the word press for our magazine. I'm saying that such a statistic is not interesting for you. I don't get involved in your work. Are we pushing this? This is demo hard. As long as we don't shut down a patio we're good. For me it's the way we were discussing about that was the match part of things that would be basically the summary of what's going on. If this is what's happening in the community, if we're not saying there's none of this, there's a problem is like my example is the recent election interview posts. There was 15 of them and each post was an interview with Vesco or, I think it was a working group, and that was going forward. Yeah I know but we've done it in the past as well but then there's even like very few people in my perception that bring the magazine. John, Connie, you've been involved in that, okay. Well I'm designing. I've been a distributor for over 10 years and that's what we do with what I do. And okay so there's a quote maybe, maybe a new word. If you have data, let's look at the data. If all we have is opinions, let's go with mine. No that's what the data says. No the data says most people don't come to the magazine to go what are they going to read the data? They come in through Twitter, they come in through other avenues. They're not coming in and browsing and going, there's too much contributor focus stuff, how can I call it? No they're just not clicking on the computer stuff. They're clicking on the user stuff. That's what they're doing. Through social media and other stuff. So there's nothing to argue that contributor focus stuff arms and magazine in any way. Yeah. And everything else in this entire presentation has argued that we barely have resources to maintain one publication. So it's literally the two publications is moving us. But the problem is that we don't have too much contributor content that we don't have enough resources to keep growing and growing. I would have no reason. This is contributing to confidentiality. This is what I want to write. We're not, we don't have resources where I go, hey no. I want you to go write about Pestival. You write about whatever makes you happy. Because none of us would hate to write the magazine. So nobody's saying like, I don't want Ryan to start focusing on something else. I'm saying that some of the boys up there says, I don't want to write an article about something. We don't turn them away because it's not, that is what I'm saying. And again, I don't need to hold on to my idea, but I still feel like having the managing authority to schedule things would kind of let us fix this for everyone. We can make sure that there is a steady stream of 80 to 90% user focus stuff. Yeah, and I would agree with that, you know, when somebody wrote about this, we're just going to have about 20 interviews that we've done, you know, why we don't want to discourage you. We need to have a more manageable format for this. Well, what's ironic about it to me is that we want, it's like we had, I think, like 20 articles of pages less. If the, we definitely, I still feel very much that I like the idea of the user focus, the user focus magazine, because I feel like the more it eases that it's going to be a little tighter than too much. So at where we have done a particularly crappy job for many years, and that there was some new years, this is one of the things that we really are dealing with, isn't it? And so I wouldn't want that to be a good value, but at the same time, it's like, if the people who want to contribute feel strongly about having some contributed focus there, maybe we can figure out a way to look, and we don't think that we can unless we start doing regular, you know, having a regular drug deal. Yeah, I agree with that. We can do that, perhaps. It doesn't matter if you don't have enough reach. But I don't, I feel like, I'm just starting whatever equals me and your thoughts. That's what I'm already at. But that's where you have us. Content is right, but if you just sort of let anything in, it's going to double the bootcamp. I would rather have one or one, every two weeks, that's a really good user-focused article, because it, like, then does that work? I'm not arguing. Chris, do you stack another domain and follow the same WordPress instance and say, it's going to skew it as much as it's going to go away? You could do multi-themed, or multi-site WordPress sites. Because that's what, in my head, that's the same, like, even if I don't care about the back end, but, like, they could be close together. Like, it's going to, it's not going to be a team. As a contributor, you're going to go through the same experience with the same workflow. But at the end, you say, publish to the developer site and for a public user. The contributor patient site or the user patient site, and the people at the show that you're concerned about is that if you segment it out too much, then you're going to have to have all of the things that you found to need, like content, you're going to need an outdoor review board, you're going to need a QA review process, you're going to need content freedom, you're going to have to know ideas and themes and all of these things. So, to contribute to that, and for you to engage in it, I think that's all that matters. In my thought, the considerations are good. Please, keep one thing in mind what Chris said. Chris said it's now, Fedora Magazine has a stage, but it is not in Magazine, if that didn't, isn't a vision, and please stop thinking in real numbers. If I publish an article, which is read by Michael Lorabo, and he posted to the Foreignings, it's one way, though, when we're in this article, but it was the right way, though, and he made a story out of it. We have definitely also a real situation, as we have published one article with how many people. It's not so easy to say that's a user-content article, but what I learned from my personal thought, I did not think, I never thought I would have that much traffic on that topic, because that doesn't interest people. I had traffic on the internet. It was an interesting thing, but Michael brought that up from the camera. He's done that for me a few times. He picked up my video from the camera. Yeah, well, no, no, sure. I'm not saying it's exclusive. He's exclusive. I'm saying he can't date a person. At the same time, I'm not trying to write the fence here, but I'm really... In this context, the fact that the magazine has really focused on something, and being a project that is notoriously as bad as we are about focusing on something, identifying an audience and serving that audience, and finally starting to make some roads there on the technical side, that felt like something that we were doing on the marketing side of the magazine as well. I hate to lose that. I think we do lose ourselves as to how much more people care about the country, which is not to say that we should stop pursuing that, but it's not finding the right place to live. If the magazine is so passive, it's such a passive activity, that's not part of their choice. I'm giving back to the audience. If you pick it up from the plan, if you pick up your personal opinion, if you pick it up in Fedora magazine, if you pick it up in Fedora magazine, or visual opinion of Fedora, it's nothing different. So, you should also keep an eye on that. Here's what it's for. Every place where there is a difference. We have this, we don't want to devalue people's contributions. We don't want to say this contribution is not valid, and we don't want to exclude you, but there is a real curation in me that needs to be a high standard, content standard, really trust and design team. Having a place where we can throw as much sausage in it, from that channel, and then you curate from that channel. A couple of the ideas I was having for the continuous thing was, even myself, just doing the weekly post, scanning through the devalue list, and doing the weekly post, here are some interesting trends in having the devalue list, and that's the post. For me, it's more of a blow style than actually a full article. It's the new source for the community. And we've never really had that before, but the climate is, it's sort of that you get a whole mix of stuff, whether it is for the community or not, and people's Austrian projects, and what I was saying. Which is interesting, you know, for me it's the collection of stuff that people on Fedora care about, or stuff to do with the community. I want to express what I mean. You're a designer, let's do it. User experience. Let's just say you're a designer, which I am not. You're experiencing something I definitely don't like. I can draw. Sorry? I can draw, but it's not designed. There's a difference. And so, I would not presume to say, like, this is bad design. This whole experience has been people who are saying, for the design point of view, you'd like to tell you, for sure, for sure. We have a lot of really strong, awesome talent for people on Fedora, who sit between each of the teams. Storytelling is a thing that is a little bit of knowing how to navigate the list and being in the community. It's a little bit more of a news content to identify. The real hang-up, a lot of times, I see where the walker comes, because, like, there's very few people in the day. Everything from t-shirts to e-maps. We're in the same position with Storytelling, too, where everybody is responsible for Storytelling. Building this capacity where we're creating a huge queue of tasks, but that just means more work. It's like exciting, because here's all these stories that you can publish, and there are a lot of people who know how these get done. Most of the time, the stuff that we're from the meta standpoint is relatively new, so bear with me. This is off-base, where it's like everybody's protecting their lane, peripherally. I think it's going to help when the blocker isn't, it's a great problem that we have too many stories between the entities. I don't think anybody is saying we don't want makers talking about how to be butchers, etc. There's a certain amount of, this is your wheelhouse, you're talking about, we've got that in both sides. We just need to have people who can take direction. Neither side is too strapped to produce content or to polish it, or to publish it. There's got to be more casting and a lot of the stuff that sort of needs to be a lot easier to create flows between them. What do you think is the next step? I'm doing my best here to get this come up so that you can figure out what I'm going to be talking about now. The idea is, Toyo has this metaphor that has been talking about what they call water slivers, and there are folks who are in an assembly line and there are folks whose job is to sit between the processes to be able to anticipate where the needs are. If this station is about to run out of resources they can bring between them, that's like a horrible simplification. But the idea is that goblins, we will be facing like Jeremy Katz seems to be a manager. He would just go hop in like, oh, he needs this thing. He would go to the widget and it would be essentially what I call the rights of the script. In for a team right now has to be a manager. He's a tool smith or he sees problems to worry about. We don't have ninjas that are working on things that aren't necessarily building code. We're still figuring that out because everybody has to be a community building. We don't have a community team because everybody is part of the community. We have subscriptions and stuff we will assess. Especially when we're counseling. Come up with a list of like eight different categories of things. There's operations and ninjas we're really interested in. Have people self-identify as those and then just say, here's your relief picture for each of the teams. So if the design team needs to go between person you are going to be almost like an intern almost like someone who's there to provide actual capacity so you might identify with a particular side but you self-identify with stuff that you're interested in. And we have like joint sig and ambassadors and a bunch of other folk who are about onboarding contributors but it's mostly on the ground out of operations. So it's like a golden model of loves and meetups which is a little different than storytelling. For me at least we've got some tool boxes we've got some tools in the box and you can point to these types of things and you can point to the magazines as well and you can put it to these curated lists and content as possible. Yet, people who are floaters people who can't float. So I guess without going too far with how that solves any kind of each and every specific problem that you would be seeing I'm so trying to I guess I'm trying to understand how that applies to the issue that we've got here. Ideally, when we open doors Jill doesn't walk out of here feeling excited. Why doesn't she feel like the magazines focus is going to drift forward? How can we find a common ground here that people feel like their contributions are welcome? Is that how you know? For me, this conversation is almost too abstract. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If it's too distant from actual topics that we've been writing about for us to say. We've got people falling on the side of the straight line. How do we walk out of here? I don't even understand it. I'm not saying I don't know why I'm saying it. It's just that wow we can focus on users and wow we can do results. We've got the right thing to do. I'm not questioning anyone's principles that I don't know. I don't know what I do know. I don't mean any disrespect to a girl. I feel like there's a very strong safety procedure. I don't know Paula. I can only speak for myself. I feel like the interior content that we would want in the magazine is, you know, of open open like Matthew's five, you know, five pages and four. There's something that is written before it gets like let me throw out some specific pictures. First reference, like when people read out of the pages, post them to that stuff on the magazine and you're all, I think, how do we save this stuff for the magazine? And, you know, what I'm saying is like the topic. I want to post occasionally a thing about this is how you can build a topic and, you know, give us an action or something with a computer or a test cloud or something like that. This is where we're going. Like, need your ideas and help and things like that. I don't want to post from all along. I don't want to just roll up with a really super obscure or like, okay, if you are doing arm development and you would like to weld an immediate part onto it, I should not make it kind of come to that. If you are doing something really, really, like, a corner case that would not be of interest to me unless I'm five people, I'm not arguing with that. I shouldn't necessarily go into the magazine. I don't want to roll up with this stuff. And, you know, if they don't have a lead, they kind of sort of agree with it. I want stuff that still works like this work. Those kinds of articles, like, yes. Like, you said like if the guy is like, I want to read that article. And I think that would be of interest to users as well. Well, I know we're getting so close because that's a specific one. It's just a specific one. How about this? Boy, for instance, how does this work? QA is going to be a lot of help over the next month or something. I think the QA is great. Maybe what's happening in QA is what QA is doing. People like to hear about the next thing. They get excited about the next thing. I mean, I'm not necessarily going to detail the really button. I don't know if we'd want... Like, for instance, we would say, hey, we've got this many blockages. I'm not necessarily inviting everyone to the blockages because then they would avoid it. See, you can just do it. Here's kind of, guess what, users. Here's how we make it. Here's how we put the three pieces together. Here's how we just treat it. So there is one for each. There should be a new project. You shouldn't just chunk it out. But there should be a new project. Yeah, see, and that's what I'm... Almost all of these pictures you can... If it impacts the... If you can spin it so it's like telling the user how... How this... They're not going into too much detail. That kind of stuff is... I don't know about that as well. It's the giant list of... You're speaking to a user and you're not speaking to her. Exactly. I think right now they have hardly the same position of that. So what is an example of something? I've got many other things that we really don't know. The council blog is fine. I see it. So, like the similar recent ones, like the Heroes of the Road to QA. Like, bunches of stats. People like that stuff. The first... I'm not saying this... I'm saying stuff about the aura and how the users don't really care about that. Most stuff on the hubs. But that's not something we really want to... Yeah, because it doesn't benefit users. It doesn't benefit users yet. It will... But that's the kind of... Oh yeah, I'm working on this. If I told it to a user... Yeah, it doesn't... It's not an interesting story to read all the people that read it. But it might be an interesting story to read about how the elections process works. Like, getting the specifics is kind of what makes us realize that there actually is... we actually have a good sense of it. Like that atomic idea? Oh, that was awesome. I think things that are talking about mechanisms and processes that people have in the context or don't make any sense. Unless... maybe in the context of, for example, an interview with somebody who is a contributor to say, hey, here's what I do on the throwback team. Here's the kind of things I hold. And in order to show somebody what the value of getting involved in the framework is, it's that possible. If it's in the form of an interview that any layperson could read, it's not in the atomic framework. But somebody who's like, I've heard of this atomic thing, I don't know what I can do with it or how it benefits me. So I read something about, oh, here's what you download, here's what you can do with it, and by the way, you can use it for this kind of use. By the way, if you want to do a problem with a curious one, you can do it for it. That's how you propose the reason why I feel it needs to be in a separate law if it could. Writing an article like that or even helping someone write an article to the standard where it's useful in the magazine takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of work. And not with the community law, because if someone wants to write up like that, it's less formal. Here is a QA. And there's not a reason why we can't. Sure, it's going to be curation and making sure they're not saying something crazy before it gets posted, but it's not like you can say, oh yeah, go to GoVD to do this, and you don't have to explain what GoVD is. Because that's where the audience is like, I don't want, someone goes to the magazine and you know. And so if someone reads it to GoVD as well, and you have fast and like, because I try to explain that stuff if I'm introducing it in my articles, but it's like if we have a something that's that audience is continuous, we can nangirl this stuff. We can make the assumption that they know what it is. But if you have to say you know what the practice is and you have to spread it in because it's not fast. Well, don't be the answer. But then put each part of it you have to share it with the people. But then fast is for me, like that's where the things are right on the end, and that way you can start describing what you're doing. If I were you, that's like it's like already working the way at that. I guess I know that. I know that. I mean, so many of us still occasionally pick up a question on how I feel completely empowered to do the sports page. All the jargon is by Hansel's section. I think it helped the business part. I'm not asking anybody to write. We don't have the power to make it her edit, although I guess that's part of my thing too, is like we still are struggling to have enough editors on deck to do all this stuff. We're going to be doing that on people. We did agree as I think we were strapped for, I think we're strapped for well, I think we're strapped. I think that we have not the effort that we could to actually implement it. We're bringing together a meeting time. My goal for doing that was to find out who are the people who are there and identify and actually see what our resources are. Right now, there's no idea what they are because we haven't set up any sort of managerial group at all. So we don't really know who's going to do it. We know that Ryan doesn't mention how we know that a bunch of this kind of evidence in the wild. We know that we need material. One of us will jump in and do it, but we do that mainly because we don't know whether we're going to help us do it. There's less work and less urgency. How do we tie in? Well, I mean, that's a commitment that we can make because the whole point of happening is that we can set up a schedule and say we're going to publish this but at this time we can organize that figure out which of us is going to be responsible for that. So you have a commitment to that commitment. Do you have to find the 20 minutes to do it? Yeah, absolutely. But I can find 20 minutes if I do a week ahead of time. I can't always find 20 minutes if I do a week ahead of time. It will also help, too, if somebody does send out a circle ahead an issue where he... Yeah, I had a really good issue with my article. I wrote it two weeks ago. And I wrote also two more opinions correctly. But I can write in German. Your English is so good. Thank you. But I wanted a schedule for yesterday. And it went not out yesterday. So I have to push. Chris, please, please, please. I want to open. I want to publish it because I have this time only 30 days submission place where you work and I want to use it. And medicine helped me, really. I have already had many solutions as I have lost one. It really helped. But I wanted it really on time when it went out. 40 days is enough to make the edit. But nobody had anything to help. It's the if everyone or someone else is doing it, no one can do it. And that is one of the things that had to be managed and edited. It will definitely help. Because you have accountability. We definitely need it. We have that pipeline. No one can start pulling all of these things. What are the possibilities? I need an adapter for HDMI or display port. Sorry. Does this has HDMI? Yeah. 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