 Call to order This is the 20th regular meeting of the 2011-2012 Common Council and as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will give us her most inspiring quote of the evening Thank you mayor The most powerful thing you can do to change the world is to change your own beliefs about the nature of life People and reality to something more positive and to begin acting accordingly Thank You Sue You're Warren here Carlson here Decker you're Haman here Hammond here Heidemann here Cot here Kittleson here Maddachuk here Racler excused Samson excused Ben Akron excused Vanderweel here Inverse here 12 presents. We have a quorum if we can all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance gentlemen, please step forward We have here PAC 3801 then six we blows that are going to step forward to the front and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance You can all stand right up here, please You can stand up on the ledge if you'd like. We'll give you a little like action here I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and To the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible for which is the injustice for all Thank You gentlemen Okay, we are looking for approval of the minutes of the former common council meeting president Decker Thank You mr. Mayor move to approve the minutes second motion in a second to approve the minutes under discussion There is no discussion all in favor say aye Opposed motion carries Resignations attorney McLean your honor, there's a letter dated January 6th to the mayor from Ed Morgan Citizen member of the meet public library board of directors advising With regret he must resign and is resigning from the board Effective immediately for health reasons Thank You Steve We have Alderman Boren, please Thank You mayor before we vote. I'd like to thank my next-door neighbor Ed Morgan for his Ten year on the library board unfortunately because of his healthy had to resign, but Ed being a CPA I Understand from talking with Sharon and Mae Quinn that Ed was a real good addition to the board and I want to thank him for his service Thank You. Thank You Alderman born and I I agree with you. I've known Ed since I was a kid I grew up right down the block from him and his children, and he was a great addition to the library board And he will be missed there. Do we have a motion president Decker? Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd move to accept and file second We have a motion in a second to accept and file under discussion There is none all in favor say aye opposed Motion carries. We have no mayor or mayor's appointments tonight. Do we have public forum? Yes, we do this evening We have milk storm melt if you could come up No, can I get your home address, please? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court, and you will have five minutes sir I'll try thank you mayor Ryan for this opportunity to address the members of this council in a factual and truthful manner Since our beloved Packers lost say yesterday, I would like to read a letter from a motivational speaker that I attended when he was at the baseball hall of fame or baseball Whatever whatever and it is Bob Long who was a former Green Bay Packer Bob Long number 80 of the Green Bay Packers is Gradulated by coach of insulin party and dug heart 43 after his 80-yard touchdown Run in the fourth quarter against the Chicago Bears at county stadium Saturday Long scored on the pass from Zeke Brikowski. The Packers defeated the Bears in the shrine game 31 to 14 And I've got a thing that I picked up from Bob Long About Vince Lombardi principles of excess by Bob Long Bob Long after being a third team all-american at Wichita University Bob was drafted forth by the Green Bay Packers in 1964 Timing is right. Bob played on the great Green Bay Packers team that won the national the NFL championship in 1965 of many of the games that I attended and won the first two Super Bowls in 1966 and 1967 That Packer team is the only team in NFL history to win three championships in a row After a brief stunt in Atlanta at Atlanta playing for Norm Van Brockland Bob rejoined Lombardi in the 1969 with the Washington Redskins and retired in 1970 after finishing with the Los Angeles Rams And he writes Vince Lombardi principles of success. Don't use drugs Number one the team No one individual is more important than the team. Bart Starr could not win Super Bowls by himself Salesman workman, secretaries and upper management should have equal importance Number two set goals Staying on top is difficult No team has ever won three championships in a row, but the Packers did in fact they won five championships in the 1960s Mental toughness Be disciplined do not make mental mistakes. Every player who played for Vince Lombardi had to be organized in early to meetings preparation Be creative Faking a dive to Jim Taylor on third and one and then passing down the field to a wide open receiver That is being creative Be aggressive Ray Nitschke was aggressive market market market Let people know what you do by email and direct advertising that produces results positive attitude Lombardi used to say We never lost time just ran out Had we gone into overtime? We would have won Notable quotations Bart Starr You don't have to be an athlete to be a good sport The quality of one's personal life is the full measure of that person's personal commitment to excellence and to victory Hard work pays off My dick of the Chicago Bears When you speak about success you speak about leadership because they are synonymous And bob long The treasure of a man is how he reacts in a crisis situation The greatest accomplishment is not falling or failing but in rising again after you fail you know Coach Lombardi had been Packers Coach I think he would have won because I was doing with neighbors against drugs But officer Todd previous time at wilson school and there was a little boy We were giving them our nab shirts and he had in the back of his uh yellow and gold shirt God family Packers And that is what coach Lombardi said to his players There are three things in this important in your life that you're going to have to do. The first one is God The next one he said is family And the third one he says green bay Packers Now I'd like to read if I have time a letter or a newspaper article from my favorite Magazine the Merrill Currier of where I went to high school with and it's county personnel policy touches union nerves Governor Scott Walker and the state legislature collective bargaining restrictions came home to roost in Lincoln county Tuesday evening As the county board grappled with a comprehensive personal policy to replace union contracts That expire at the end of the year Some supervisors see the proposed policy as an extension Would you like your extra minute another minute? Would you like that? Move the ground to extra minute Go ahead Okay Where was I? Supervisors see the proposed policy and an extension of an Anti-union actions as hundreds of county workers are about to lose union protection and become at-will employees For some the definition of at-will employee itself raises questions of fairness the policy states Employment with the county of Lincoln is voluntarily entered into and employees are free to resign at any time Similarly the county may terminate the employment relationship at will at any time for any reason or any reason at all Provided there is no violation of the epic will federal or state the local laws This is the inherently anti-union is simply not true Cooperation council names the bergs from told the supervisors Nobody it applies to all employees and establishes a agreement procedure where none existed for non-union stat This is a playbook for all the rules spelled out in the contract Supervisor jim alber was among those that disagreed this document supports union busting He says governor walker and his cronies put this kind of crap on our backs And that's what it is all is Crap Sorry time is up one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you To be continued next council meeting Thank you milt next That's all okay Um under mayors announcements. I I will be brief tonight. Uh today is martin luther king Dr. Martin Luther king jr. Day. I think we all need to uh, acknowledge Greatness of the man who is honored today Not only did he preach of diversity But he spoke of equality for all people and he stood for democracy for all people So I think we need we need to remember that Um a couple of things. Uh first, I would like uh scott meliff to come out from behind the curtain back here Scott has an announcement about uh online streaming. I think of our meetings Scott can you come out? I don't know if he's remember to put a camera on where he's going to speak but The grand loser You want to go to the podium scott? He wanted to announce something that's way beyond my technical ability to understand so I just wanted to announce that Wscs shabuigan's community station is now available on demand on our website Wscs shabuigan dot com if you click on programming and the peg tv link it'll bring up a player and This meeting will be available starting tomorrow So if the the regular tv coverage or replay schedule doesn't Fit with your personal schedule You can click and watch it on your computer At a time that's convenient to you or your smartphone or tablet or other internet capable device So not only uh meetings, but uh other locally produced programs In the high school sports that we cover and and other Other locally produced programs Thanks scott. That's known as progress Okay, uh, we'd also like to speak of the election. I will defer any election discussion to our city clerk sue Um, just going to quickly go through some things for tomorrow. Obviously tomorrow is the election day We have 16 polls opening at 7 a.m. They will close at 8 p.m Um What we've done to inform the public several things one of them if you If you receive the shabuigan press there's this great flyer in there That has all of the polling locations and it's got this great color map inside Which is a great reference I don't know if anyone can see But it's got the entire city map shows all the polling locations It's a good reference Also, and i'm not going to say this 10 times like I did last time What is the website? Oh, please The um real quick way this evening if you were unable to call us today to find your new locations for voting Is http colon two forward slashes and then vpa.wi Dot gov It's easy you pull your name in or your address and it'll tell you exactly what your new ward number is And it'll tell you exactly where you go to vote tomorrow Now if all else fails, we will be in the office tomorrow Six six thirty in the morning and you can call us at four five nine three three six one And we'd be happy to let you know where you're going to be voting And that's about it Okay, thank you So the only thing I have to add is if the public can understand that uh poll workers We have a lot of new poll workers out there. So if you go to a poll Please be patient Be patient with the with the poll workers out there if they tell you you're at the wrong place Um, you're at the wrong place. They will tell you the right poll to go to so everybody. Please be uh be patient with uh with the process tomorrow That's all I have moving on To the consent agenda 21 through 2014 Note 20-4 lies over. It is on the consent agenda, but it lies over so that will be reviewed the uh next council meeting One through 2014 President decker Taking mr. Mayor and move that all our roles be accepted and placed on file All rc's be accepted and adopted And all resolutions and ordinances be passed with the exception of 2014 I'd like to pull forward for a separate vote second Okay, we have a motion in a second to pull 2014 forward for a sec separate vote So we will discuss 2014 first, which is an rc by salary and grievances Recommending authorizing the city of shablaig and to extend the current hiring freeze until december 31st 2013 that should read um under discussion on that On 2013 or 2014 excuse me under discussion we have president decker Or vice president hammond you guys are still backwards on my board here. So vice president hammond, please Thank you, mr. Mayor I i'm not going to support this. I think uh This is one of those things that it's time Needed to happen, but now with the budgeting process that we have If the position's budgeted And it should be filled that shouldn't have to come back to this body every single time We want to hire somebody if it's a new budget item. We already have a process for that So it's time to let our department heads do their job hire other people that they've budgeted for And move on so thank you Thank you vice president hammond any further discussion on this issue alderman boran Thank you, mayor Like to disagree partly with my colleague alderman hammond and that is the state has imposed a A Tax freeze on us for the years 2012 and 2013. So I think under the circumstances This is this is appropriate under this under what we've been given by the state government And I still think even though positions are budgeted When the time comes up for a position to be filled during the year We should get a praise. We should get an update from our chief administrative officer to see if we're still meeting our budget targets for the year And therefore I think any hiring decision should come back to the council. Thank you. Thank you alderman boran alderman versi Thank you, mr. Mayor Two simple words fiscal constraint and that's what this does Is it brings it back to all alderman to have a vote not just back to three that can pass Yep, if it's in the budget for this year, great. Can we look forward in this city longer than this year? Um, it's in this budget this year. Okay. What about next year the following year the year after that We need to start looking forward as a city so these hires that come in and we'll talk about it later as it comes up as well Needs to be looked at longer term than it's it's in the budget for this year our department had budgeted for this year That's great. That's this year and several years back a lot of people will remember in that instance of four unfunded firefighters That we had to then fund the following year That's what this is trying to alleviate happening again Not just having salaried grievance deal with it having to come in front of everybody to get the same explanation We only turned down one person last year on the hiring freeze now is from Former director bitner. Um, he'd re looked at the position said you're right. We don't need to hire that position He didn't hire it. So it does work. It is in place for a reason and it is for fiscal constraint. Thank you Thank you alderman versi alderman carlson Thank you, mayor I guess I would have to agree with um vice president hammond. I I think um, I hear it all the time We are continually being accused of micromanaging. I think that it just throws another Step in the process that's that's not needed. It already goes to salaries and grievances let the committee do the work And um, once again, we got to remember we pay our department heads a lot of money to make these decisions And we got to trust that they're going to make these decisions in the best interest of this city. Thanks Thank you alderman carlson president decker Thank you, mr. Mayor Alderman carlson took away exactly what I was just going to say. That's what this is is micromanaging I don't think it's needed The money's in the budget. I don't see why the department heads can't make the decision. I put the trust in them to do so Thank you president decker And both you and alderman carlson stole my line, which was micromanagement I believe that department heads are hired to make these decisions If these positions general are if they are are in the budget Our positions that are in the table of organization I think we we need to leave it up to the professionals that are hired to do that job to make that decision That's my opinion any further discussion If there is none roll call, please everybody understand what the vote is And I vote will be to pass the resolution The hiring freeze belt no Warren hi carlson. No I'm sorry. No decker. No homin hi Hammond. No. Heidemann. Hi koth. Hi kittleson. Hi Madochek. Hi Vanderwheel No Percy. Hi seven eyes five nose Motion carries Back to the rest of the consent agenda With the exception of 20-4 lies over so it is 21 20-1 through 20-3 And 20-5 through 2013 under discussion If there is no further discussion on the Consent agenda roll call, please foreign. Hi carlson. Hi decker. Hi homin. Hi Hammond. Hi heidemann. Hi koth Hi kittleson. Hi Madochek. Hi Vanderwheel. Hi versi. Hi and belt. Hi 12 eyes motion carries Moving on to communications and petitions 2015 to be referred reports of officers to 2016 through 2022 to be referred resolutions introduced three 2023 by alderperson's racelor versi kittleson decker and samson Lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire six firefighter paramedics in the fire department of alderman racelors not here alderman versi um Thank you, mr. Mayor two things right off the bat Both myself and alderman samson actually shouldn't be on this as approving this since it was not In our votes within committee, but since I am the vice chairman, I guess I need to Press the resolution be put upon its passage. I believe since it's been through here and I'll second Yes, let the resolution be put upon its passage. Is this what the document I have here, sir We're discussing This what this did come out of a committee Motioned by alderperson kittleson sought second by alderman decker to approve Um that did did receive Three i votes And two no votes coming out of committee the motion did pass out of committee at that point under discussion Alderman versi thank you, mr. Mayor Back to the same statement that this is coming as um Kind of a blatant disregard for fiscal responsibility having to come in with this number of hires They've been doing a wonderful job recently cross staffing Doing 15 to 16 a shift and doing a great job at what they do Having to come in and do higher Six more which equates to a little over 300 thousand dollars added to their budget which right now is in the budget because of the retirees I think it needs to be looked at again and it needs to be We need to be more responsible on what we're doing We need to look at the future and how this fire department is going to look How the fire budget is going to continually increase including their step Raises and the cpi raises that they're going to be getting It's just an inflation of budget and maybe we can throw another fee on here to pay for it But um, I am not in support of this in any way. Thank you Thank you. Alderman versi. I think one thing we do need to remember is that uh, we did sign a contract With our firefighters four-year contract two and two I believe As far as uh, uh pay goes for the next four years for the majority of our firefighters Uh, we have president decker Yeah, thanks. You can thank you. Mr. Mayor. I'd like to uh, ask for your chief herman the podium just to give us a refresher This did take place december 16th and there's even a few things that i'm Unclear on and don't exactly recall. So just as a refresher if you could come forward Thank you president decker chief This did go through committee I believe I was very forthcoming It was very clear in the document. Um, we actually did have eight retirees So I think I am being fiscally responsible coming in only asking for six As far as I don't know if the question was asked, but i'm sure it's going to come up How do you fund this in 2013? Because they're only funded in this year's budget for nine months. Obviously will be About 90 000 short However, we do average Two and a half to three retirements a year. So there's a good possibility. We'll be in that same situation in 13 to delay hires in addition We brought in Roughly a hundred thousand dollars more than what was projected in 2011 through the ambulance That hasn't been reported yet, but those are the initial numbers I need people to be able to do that In addition, you asked me for a long range plan, which I submitted That was discussed in numerous committees That was discussed here and it was felt that we don't want to close a fire station If I can't hire these six people we need to close the station Thank you chief under further discussion Vice president hamlin. Thank you your honor First off chief, this was part of a larger or reorganization plan where you went from two deputy chiefs To one deputy chief in that plan that you took the salaries and grievances. That's correct There's there was also some additional savings after the budget was adopted that I That we're going to realize this year So again, not only did you go from eight to six but then also got rid of a deputy chief as part of all of this overall Reorganization plan that's one of the two that we didn't replace correct. Okay. I mean I I think again We have to have the bodies to do the basic Services it's great to be able to stand up here and say we got a cut. We got a cut. We got a cut Until again, it's your house that those people are supposed to be responding to You know again, you can cut too far and now you're really starting to do damage and I think again Micromanaging this process when the six people are not only in his budget But he reorganized the department to save two of those positions from having to be rehired I mean we should be you know thanking him for doing that Thank you chief Thank you, vice president hammond Older person kettleson, please Thank you, mayor, and I guess I'll just reiterate what what alderman hammond said Hammond said is that I was there at the meeting and I appreciate you going over that again chief that Yeah, you explained it to us very well, and we understood that There would be that you that the You would be hiring six six people there in the fire department. So it's it's clear to me now and I do support this Thank you Thank you. Alder person kettleson alderman born Thank you, mayor And that I may have missed this at the salary of grievance committee if I was there, but Were there any number of positions guaranteed in the contract negotiations that we just completed? No So We're we're not doing anything in bad faith as far as the contract goes if we wouldn't approve these positions are we Not as in regards to the negotiations no Okay, because I thought that's we were inferring there that we had a contract and that this was part of the contract No, I was I was alderman born I was referring more to the the the pay rates in upcoming years with raises etc was was built into the contract And then one other question chief I think I remember from the report that you submitted to the mayor back in april that by the by by the national standard that you go by That sheboygan actually would still be Considered by the the standards that you go by as Four stations would be adequate rather than five It's not the number of stations that brings us to that standard It's the number of people that are in those stations And how many people how many people does that bring you up to if we approve these six hires? It brings us up to where we were at last at last year's To level as alderman versi said that we've done a good job of Cross staffing of responding with 15 people. I can't respond with 15 people Come vacation time without hiring this six these six people Now isn't it isn't it a fact that when you're doing some of these out-of-town transfers that you're in effect closing a station already? No You're down but you're down people in once in one particular station that if that station would get a call You couldn't effectively respond with that station. Is that correct? That's what cross staffing is. That's when we that's when we divide up on the rigs So you're not actually closing a station But you're down people if you do an out-of-town transfer on a shift Would you have if you got a major call? Would you have to call in people then if you had three or four people down in Milwaukee on a run? It would be no different than if we had two fire calls going on at once or A gas leak going on at the same time that a fire call came in. Yeah for short people We need to call other people in that's the way we're staffed Thank you Thank you alderman boron alderman versi Thank you, mr. Mayor You brought up the fact of about closing a fire station again And actually alderman boron did hit it on the head several times in the recent past which hasn't been broadcasted anywhere When there have been long distance transfers a fire station has been out of service Multiple times and that's due to the cross staffing which I understand the aspect of that But that's not brought to the public knowledge that a fire station is being closed So if you actually went down to the four stations You wouldn't be taking a fire station out of service to be going on a long distance transfer And that's where alderman boron is going with that on less stations more same amount of guys Spread out between those stations now You're not having to lower the fire protection for those certain areas when they're on a long distance transfer I would tell you that 3,600 times a year There's a station closed because every time that station goes out on a call that station is closed because there's nobody there So if you're going to use that argument every time we go on a call We need to call in to open that station back up again. So that's not a very legitimate argument Thank you chief If I can remind everybody we did close the station at one point. We were going to have a Rolling closings of stations every six months. I believe it was we were going to close another station That didn't go over very well. There was a A ground swell of public opposition to doing that including from this council From those alderman whose station happened to be closed at that time So I just want to remind everybody of that We have a budget For the fire department these hires meet that budget Again, I think this goes back to micro management micro management micro management alderperson kath Thank you, mayor rine. Uh chief herman of the eight retirees. What was the breakdown of the eight Of what what they were worth. Yes A shift commander a captain a deputy chief a cap A lieutenant a driver mechanic One firefighter I believe Okay, so we lost one firefighter paramedic and we're gaining sticks The people retire off the top we hire on the bottom. That's why they're all the hires are We've already promoted within those were all approved and done already So we need to fill on the bottom which are the firefighter paramedics We don't We don't hire a deputy chief when a deputy chief retires from the outside. We bring somebody in on the bottom Thank you chief. Thank you alderperson kath alderman carlson Thank you, mayor. Uh, well chief herman You stole my thunder about the comment about any time we send a truck out the station closes so And then once again public opinion Whitewater study i'm pretty sure they um They're responding to that survey said that they were happy with our fire service and ambulance service So trying to cut a station would go against that whitewater study So I mean we paid 18 000 to get public opinion. So why are we going to go against it? And then um, don't you have a backup ambulance? We do so so you could call in extra bodies and you have a rig for them, correct? Thank you Thank you alderman carlson alderman barn third time Thank you, mayor In response to what alderman carlson said it was interesting on the whitewater survey When we had the committee meeting with what questions were going to be allowed to be asked on the whitewater Survey I wanted a question in there about whether the Citizens wanted to outsource the ambulance service and I lost that in committee But it was very interesting that without even being a question on the whitewater survey A number of respondents said give the ambulance back to orange cross So that was on there alderman carlson Without even being a choice for an answer and also I don't want to burn any bridges But if we go back to late 2008 when we were in that process when mayor peres was mayor And chief listusky was on his way out the door I don't know if it was that mayor peres is urging but Chief listusky recommended changing or I'm closing the downtown station starting in 2009 And as as far as I'm concerned the rolling blackouts were nothing more than a political ploy To upset the citizenry when it wasn't necessary if the downtown station would have been closed when it was recommended to be closed And it made a lot of sense from going out and visiting With with chief listusky with alderman heiterman That should have been closed already in 2009, but for some reason this council has never had the courage to do so Thank you Thank you alderman boran alderman versi for the third time last last comment just directed towards my Counter part behind me alderman carlson and anybody else that brings up the whitewater survey I personally can't form my city over 200 people. There's 50,000 people in our city and we had 200 respondents in the whitewater survey So in my eyes, I guess I have a hard time Taking everything that those 200 people wanted For the majority of our city. It's just it's not The numbers just aren't there for that to be responsible on our park to Frame our city over 200 people. That's my only comment with that. Thank you. Thank you alderman versi and alderman carlson for the third time Last time. Thank you There was a referendum I believe right on this issue, although it was a close one But that was still a great number of people that wanted this ambulance service Even though it was only 200 people you still have to listen to them And although there there are things on that whitewater study that I I don't agree with But if enough people talk to me and And give me good reasons why they want to keep a service at a certain level or whatever You do have to listen to that. So between the referendum and the whitewater study phone calls and emails What I hear is nobody wants to cut the fire department or not nobody but a good majority of people in the city Do not want to cut the fire department. The chief has done a great job. I mean, we've all talked about it already tonight Eight retirees. He only hired six. He restructured the department. They've been doing well Once again, I think we're just trying to micromanage here And I think it's unnecessary That I think the point needs to be made that we send our fire trucks out The majority of the time with only two firefighters on those pieces of fire apparatus prior to getting the ambulance We sent those out with four people Now we're going two and two two on the fire truck two on the ambulance. So if you shut the ambulance down I will not send my fire trucks out with two people on them. It is not safe Nobody else does it that way. So we need to put those people back on the fire truck. You cannot get rid of any firefighters And this council needs to decide what you want your fire department to be we've had this discussion I don't know how many times alderman versi you sell insurance I doubt that you tell all your clients you should buy the least amount that you possibly can Alderman borne You ensure your corvette. I doubt you have the least amount of coverage on that car when you're driving it We're an insurance policy. Do you want us to be the least you can get by with? Or do you want us to be adequate? We've done a heck of a job with a number of people we have being way more than adequate being a good fire department You need to make that decision Thank you chief Vice president Hammond for the third time. No, not third only second. Yes. All right very good, sir First off I I don't think we need to go back and rehash this ambulance debate every time the fire department comes up We go back and rehash this ambulance debate. We've had it twice to spend a referendum It's time to move on from that Secondly back to the whitewater study um if you uh any back room knowledge of statistics at all A sample size is considered statistically significant at 33. So a sample size of 200 Most statisticians will tell you you can infer quite a bit from that information Third, you know with the chief you have to promote you need command and control Police departments and fire departments are quasi military organizations You need to have leaders and those leaders need to lead and you have to backfill them when they get promoted With with new firefighters and finally I call the question Okay question is called. Do we have a second at calling the question? Second second all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed Question is called roll call. Please sue. Can you explain what? The vote will mean This one is lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire six firefighter paramedics I vote would be to do it navel would be not very good. Okay roll call Carlson. All right Decker. Aye. Hammond. Aye Hammond. Aye. Heidemann. Aye Coth. Aye Kittleson. Aye Manichuk. Aye Vanderweel. Aye Versi. No Belt. Aye And boron. Aye Ten eyes two nos Motion carries Okay, moving on 20 24 report of committee six by law and licensing recommending that pawnbroker license application number 2874 be denied based on concerns regarding issues of public protection and safety The applicants past behavior in the criminal background of the applicants business associate All to person Vanderweel. Thank you, Your Honor I move that the rc be accepted and adopted second We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt under discussion. Ms. Teresa Gerkey here She is not here. Please continue. The committee um Talked about the set length and the fire department or the police department had a negative recommendation for the applicants as well as her associates Very good any further discussion? There's no further discussion roll call please Hammond. Aye Hammond. Aye Heidemann. Aye Coth. Aye Kittleson. Aye Manichuk. Aye Vanderweel. Aye Versi. Aye Belt. Aye Boran. Aye Carlson. Aye And Decker. Aye 12 ayes Motion carries Reports of committees 7 2025 by law and licensing recommending that taxi cab operators license application number 9407 be denied based on his failure to accurately reveal all relevant convictions on his application And his record of violations related to the licensed activity all to person Vanderweel Thank you. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted second We have a motion and a second under discussion. Is Benjamin's astro here He's not here your honor. Please continue. We voted four to one to deny his license He had many violations that he could not reveal from 2004 to 2009 Although he said nothing since 2009 committee Voted to deny the license Okay, thank you any further discussion There's no further discussion roll call, please Hammond. Aye Heidemann. Aye Coth. Aye Kittleson. Aye Manichuk. Aye Vanderweel. No Versi. Aye Belt. Aye Boran. Aye Carlson. Aye Decker. Aye And Hammond. Aye 11 ayes One no Motion carries Report of committee 8 2027 by law and licensing Let's get on 2026 2026 report of committee 7 I thought I missed one there by law and licensing recommending that taxi cab operators license number application 8 3 1 6 Be denied based on his record of violations related to the license activity And his record as an habitual law violator All to person Vanderweel Vanderweel Thank you. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted second We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt under discussion Is Nassar Jaber here? Does not hear your honor. Please continue He um had a license previously however since um his license had expired He's had new violations which include a felony drug possession in 2011 and a negative recommendation from the police department Very good any further discussion If there is none roll call please Heidemann. Aye Coth. Aye Kittleson. Aye Manichuk. Aye Vanderweel. Aye Versi. Aye Belt. Aye Foran. Aye Carlson. Aye Decker. Aye Hammond. Aye And Hammond. Aye 12 ayes Motion carries 20 report of committee 8 2027 by law and licensing Recommending authorizing the presiding officer at city meetings the discretion to utilize written confidentiality agreement For closed sessions and the resolution attached All to person Vanderweel Thank you. I move that the RC be accepted and adopted second And the resolution be put upon as passage And the resolution be put upon as passage Okay, we have a motion and a second under discussion at the committee level it was voted three to two To pass this resolution I voted against it simply because I Already took an oath and I don't think I need to continually Sign paperwork saying that I'm going to continue that Thank you all to person Vanderweel any further discussion alderman boran Thank you, mayor I brought this resolution forward originally at the At the co-sponsorship of president decker and alderman hammond And also alderman coth from the law and licensing committee And unfortunately We've been having trouble lately with with uh closed sessions With information leaking out to the media It started out with you mayor appearing on whbl after a december after a december council meeting Revealing one of the principles involved in a supposed land discussion as A land sale that we discussed in closed session the next day that came out And then as recently as last week in one of your media things with the radio Referring to the number of slot machines and blackjack tables at a proposed casino That possibly even could have been discussed in closed session. We also had some difficulty with alderman leaking information After committee of the whole meetings and also had some difficulty with alderman not returning documents After committee of the whole meeting so After consulting with attorney mclean on this and leadership of the council I felt that it was necessary to bring this forward. Unfortunately. I know we all took an oath But apparently uh, some people are not uh following through on the oath even that they've taken. Thank you Thank you alderman boran alderman carlson Thank you mayor. I I understand this but my question is uh for the city attorney here What kind of teeth does this have like what does this really do? Because I I don't I mean it's just telling me that I'm I'm not going to talk about it But it doesn't say what's going to happen So I mean what's really the point of signing this document when as alderman vander wheel already said I took an oath So I I don't get Why we need to do this Well, it's drafted in In the format that it's not required it'll be at the discretion of the Chairman of the committee There was a concern by number of alderman that There be more formality given to The discussions before you go into closed session about how This is confidential and needs What is said and the documents that are discussed in closed session need to stay in closed session Uh This doesn't do a lot more other than if you can identify I guess the same issue right now if you can identify who the individual is Or multiple individuals that do disclose information from a closed session. I think the council has prerogative to Bring ethics charges against that individual or individuals uh for breach of Their ethical bi uh obligations to maintain confidentiality But it's it's a way to I guess Press press press upon the members going into closed session perhaps even more the The need for confidentiality And the specific acknowledgement by all the individuals that indeed they will maintain the confidentiality of the The materials to the extent The committee member may Have problems agreeing to that I think it would be incumbent upon the chair then to Excuse that person from being in the closed session if uh if they won't agree to Maintain the confidentiality in a written format so You know, it's not perfect. It's not going to Be a cure all necessarily, but it may be of some assistance Again, that's why it was my suggestion to make a discretionary on the chairman's part Hopefully, you know, we shouldn't need anything like this but There is some feeling that That is needed. So It's this is available Because once again, I I'm not really disagreeing with the the importance of it. It's just I we These persons have already proven that they're going to disregard the art that they took and the The importance of closed session meetings. So I I just think it's just Something else to do and I think it's just kind of in my opinion a time waster Thank you. Alderman Carlson. Alderman belt Thank you, mr. Mayor. Uh, this is for the city attorney. Also, what what would happen if we choose not to sign this? Uh, I think as as I mentioned Alderman belt, I think the the chair of the particular committee or the council could uh recommend that that older person or committee member be excused from the meeting if uh If that individual would not Be willing to acknowledge that they're going to maintain the confidentiality of the closed session It would be either that or The committee would have to decide whether or not to have the closed session and maybe Wouldn't be able to discuss the the topic. So You know, if if an alderman won't agree to maintain the confidentiality of a closed session Uh, the alderman Shouldn't stay in the closed session Not it's not just alderman, but the committee members I don't I don't have a problem with um, you know closed sessions. It's we all took an oath here To sign this yet on top of that. I think it's foolish Um, I I will not support this I I already took my oath and I'm not going to be signing papers I think it's a waste of time Thank you, uh, alderman belt alderman heideman. Thank you, mayor Again, it's a sad state of affairs that when we have to sign a paper to make sure that we remember the oath that we already took That doesn't make any sense at all, but I just want to clarification Does this mean that at every committee meeting when like a public protection of safety if you're going to go to the closed Session you got to sign a paper Or is this just at the council floor? Are we doing this? But this is it throughout every meeting So then somebody's going to have to have a stack of papers Chairman's going to have to stack of papers every time they go into a meeting with with this document, right? I understand this says the discretion to utilize so I think it would be at the discretion of the chairman of the committee The paper is going to have to be there Give him the chairman. Okay. I just want to make sure it's clear on that. Thanks Thank you alderman heideman any further discussion I would just like to make one comment Um To alderman boran alderman boran. I think your comments are out of context accusing me of putting out confidential information I never have I never will Alderman boran Thank you, mayor I had on whbl the next morning after the closed session And I heard you identify a principle that we discussed in closed session In fact, we didn't even name any principles in closed session The vote that we took that night was uh on a Proposed land sale. We didn't even it was very generic. We did not name any principles You did and if you want me to get the recording and play it. I will Alderman boran. I think your comments are politically motivated. They're not politically man of Alderman boran. I am speaking at the moment, please alderman boran. I'm speaking at the moment I think your comments are politically motivated. I will leave it at that. Thank you Any further discussion? There is none roll call Heidemann no Cut I Kittleson I Maddochek no Vanderwheel no Versi I Belt no boran. I carlson. No decker. I common I Hammond I Seven eyes five nose Motion carries moving on Report of committee nine by salary and grievances reestablishing the salary schedule for the office of mayor Full time and passing the attached substitute ordinance Um, who is the vice chair of salary and grievances? Alderman versi mr. Mayor like to put the resolution upon its passage It would be the substitute. Is that what you're looking to do? Yes, the substitute resolution On its passage Thank you. Alderman versi under discussion. We have a second. Do we have a second on that? Second motion and a second under discussion vice president hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I don't know how the decorma of this one is Attorney mclean, so you're gonna I would actually like to Move that this goes back to salaries and grievances for further Contemplation and discussion. I think there's some things from a benefit package standpoint On other things that we need to take a look at it. I was in talked with chairman Riesler and he would like it to go back as well So Can I make that motion second move it goes back to salaries and grievances, please Okay, we have a motion in a second to send this back to salary and grievances under discussion on the motion only There is no discussion We will call a roll call on sending it back to salary and grievances kittleson I matter check dander wheel I versi I belt I boran I Carlson I decker I common I Hammond I Heidemann I and cough I 12 eyes motion carries Moving on ordinances introduced 10 2029 by alderpersons raceler kittleson decker versi and samson amending the municipal code So as to create the job description Of neighborhood neighborhood slash development specialist in the city development department alderpersons kittleson Excuse me mayor It was requested that this get referred back to salary and grievance. There's some errors in here But if that's all right with you Thank you mayor, then I would ask that we refer this document 20-29 back to salary and grievance second Motion in a second to send this back to salary and grievances any discussion or opposition on sending this to salary and grievances Who's seconded? I'm sorry. Thank you Any discussion all in favor say aye. Aye opposed salary and grievances it goes 2030 To be referred Other matters authorized I don't know that's a good question here cover protection and safety that will be referred to ppns I was looking at mine and I didn't see where it was going either Other other matters attorney mclean 2031 is an aro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2012 and june 30 2013 That will be referred to law and licensing And 2032 is an aro by the development manager submitting a request to allow the core of engineers and their consultant At no cost to the city to prepare an invasive species control and management plan Which will be inclusive of specific measures to target the invasive species present at the sugar property That will be referred to city planning Move to adjourn second. We have a motion to adjourn in a second all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed motion carries. Thank you everybody