 Katie Sarah you're gonna read the patron thing at the top That's what you think no In your face the second consecutive time you've gotten sassy over reading the yeah, I don't know why it like it's I can Anytime it's there if you don't like doing it. You can tell us it's I like it very much And you can hear this music right this isn't too loud for anyone Wait, no one can hear anything because it's not up. It's it's mutted not too loud Yeah, okay, that's cool. Oh This is gonna require some clicking Clickety-clackety. I know I got to click here and click this and click that. Oh the clicking the It's sassy clicking Okay, maybe it's because Tom's in Texas or something. I'm punchin What's up is down? Maybe he's just settling back in his old collegiate ways perhaps. Yeah. Yeah, that's why we just went right back to the 90s Mr. Jones I Really like that song. I actually got to have breakfast with my good friend Justin Robert Young and one of my old hunts Which was no Lya cafe on South Congress? Think I've been there actually new location because they opened up only I like a year or two before I left It sounds familiar, but maybe I'm thinking of the Magnolia Somewhere else. I think every town has a Magnolia cafe. I know a cupcakes in New York Magnolia something in San Francisco, but I can't remember Beerhouse on hates to that's what I'm thinking. I've never mined. I've never been to the one in Austin unless I have I mean you might have all those South by Southwest Cafe like I've gotten the Some form of delightful taco slash egg thing at lots of places. Yeah me goes man. I do miss the megas I Don't even have the best best megas their megas are good But there are better places if you just like want to get the best megas Megas megas are not hard to make at home. You just like cut up your own corn tortillas It's like it's delicious and requires very little effort less than an omelet Yeah, I Would eat them. There's a place in Rockridge in Oakland that makes me guys. They don't make them, right? Rockridge, I Don't think I don't Maybe I have certainly was a memorable So yeah, our order of reading is not by any logic. It's yeah It's like it's weighted though in your own madman sort of way there are reasons for the various assignments, but right Keep us on our toes. Yeah All right So do you do you want to start now since we're all ready? Yeah, sure So let me hit record and then can you see me when I point do that and then you just give yourself a beat and Start so see I don't look at you Hold on. I don't look at you guys. Let's see. Maybe I've seen myself in the mirror I wouldn't look at me either, but I have to because it's not that you know, it'll do I just realized I can make my life so much easier and I just never thought about it until right now Also, Justin, I think I'm just gonna leave our two shot up. I'm gonna be lazy. Yeah. No, yeah No, dude, it looks like you're separate. You're actually next to each other like that wood from frame. That's next to Justin looks Yeah, like if you didn't do that Tom, it totally looked like you and Justin are sitting side-by-side Well, we're not that far. Yeah All right, Roger. Yes. Now I can see you and the rundown You know, you only need really the left third of that whole window. Yeah, as long as you can see the yellow red That's good. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. All right Mr. All right, silence Daily Tech News show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday March From the brushwood studios in Austin, Texas And from studio feline, I'm Sarah Lane Also from the brushwood studios in Austin, Texas, I'm Justin Robert Yeah, we are very indebted to our producer Roger Chang today who's running things back at the home office Roger Thank you for holding down the the musical fort Of course, you're all indebted to me. I remember that I'll remember that part Yeah, no, man. Thank thanks for for running the board for me while we're out here in Austin Which happens to be during South by Southwest, but I'll be honest Kind of just doing it. Yeah, get good and visit Brian and Justin was coming into town And are you like trying to make South by Southwest jealous? No, why are you drawing a line in the sand here? Honestly, I was just trying to make it clear that if you're at South by Southwest, I won't be there So please please please try to contain your broken heart South by South by Southwest Diamond Club meetup tonight at Darwin's pub. Yeah, and then there of course is the big night attack Show on Saturday that on Saturday Yeah, so that's where you will be able to see Tom is at 2 p.m. March 10th at the kung fu saloon a live Edition of the night attack program for you and yours For free. Hey, Sarah. Hey, what do we start with a few tech things you should know might as well Those anonymous sources talking to Cheddar appear to have been right all along snap VP of engineering Jerry Hunter confirmed that 120 engineers at the company will be laid off in the next few days, which represents about 4% of the workforce hmm Oculus rev headsets stopped working on Wednesday apparently because Oculus forgot to renew its security certificate Oculus has issued a software update with valid certificates and promises to provide store credit to affected users Yesterday we incorrectly reported that Microsoft planned to charge $49 to move some copies of Windows 10 from s mode Over to full Windows 10 mode now Microsoft didn't actually make that statement It was reported by the verge from sources and in a blog post Microsoft's joke Belfiori has clarified If a customer does want to switch out of s mode, they will be able to do so at no charge regardless of addition We regret the error Good. Well, good move Microsoft Google announced it starting to a project to get the technology behind accelerated mobile pages aka amp Adopted as a web standard. This would allow companies to create fast loading content without having to rely on Google for any part of it It's pretty open already But amp is Google's thing so Google has taken some criticism. They're saying look let's take the best parts of amp Just make it an open standard Google promises any page that matches amp in performance Will be treated the same as an amp page in Google search and several standards bodies including the w3c We'll need to weigh in on it before it becomes a standard and then of course browser makers would need to adopt it Hmm. All right, let's talk. We got some follow-ups today Let's start with one from movie pass. Yes, we begin follow-up Thursday with movie pass updating It's iOS app to remove quote-unquote unused app location capability and quote The company has yet to clarify that it has been collecting location information Beyond what it discloses in its terms of service movie bass CEO Mitch Lowe recently told an audience quote We watch how you drive from home to the movies We watch where you go afterwards and quote the terms of service state that movie pass collects location information only When you're buying a ticket for the purpose of locating which theater you are Near now call me crazy here Tom crazy, but it doesn't I walked into that one It doesn't necessarily seem like anything has been cleared up based on the kerfuffle caused by his comments Well, certainly not the thing that I want cleared up. Uh, I Originally thought when this came out. Oh, he's saying they've got a plan to do this their terms of service prohibited So obviously they would change their terms of service if they were doing it Yeah, they need to clear that up the next day. They didn't clear it up They said we'd never sell this data without your permission, which I was like, okay. Well, that's good to know But you still looking yeah, it doesn't address the issue And then today they go and take location tracking out of iOS that they say they were using implying That in fact, maybe they were tracking you beyond what they say they do in the terms of service So this sounds pretty bad. Also, they say Movie pass is only collecting location information if you're buying a ticket for the purpose of locating which theater you're near No one's ever done that. Let me buy a movie ticket and see where it is Well, that's the way movie pass works. You have to be near the theater Yeah, and then then you buy the ticket and then you go in to the theater. Otherwise the movie pass system wouldn't work But it's implied that your movie pass is going to anyway, it's Well, it's worded weirdly. Yeah, I wrote that now. That's not the quote from the terms of service. So maybe I Yeah, basically they we know that they are doing there's that snapshot prove you're here through the app That's the deal that that movie pass is making with you What the CEO is saying is that we also know that we could possibly sell advertisements to the fro yo place next door That is where we know people go afterward And that is something that you need to list If you want to sell that information It also fills in a bit of a missing puzzle piece for Movie pass, which is how is this bizarre business structure going to pan out? Uh beyond just step three profit Right and really when you think about the fact that mitch low may have Spoke that fro yo place next to the movie theater. They don't necessarily know that everyone's going there It's just nearby, you know So it I think maybe for effect He made it sound like oh, we know what's going on when really they're like The probability that someone's going to go to the fro yo place rather than something that's farther away. It's pretty high Build the beans low Spell them or we'll never use it I don't use movie pass anyway, but it sounds great a windows 10 update do next month has not been officially named But test versions of next fall's update refer to this one as Windows 10 spring creator updates It's very very fashion week the verse reported that microsoft may have been considering changing the name of the update Whatever it's called as expected in early april People do get really like oddly excited about the official names of these things I mean it makes perfect sense. There was creators update and the fall creators update Yeah, we got one in the spring Sure, it's going to be called the spring creators update and I guess it's kind of interesting like oh Will the next one be called something else like the amazing update or or the windows rah rah? I don't know like summer solstice updates. Yeah Uh, it's coming in early april. That's what I care about spring spring creator sounds like how people have Christmas birthdays Is that a nine months later joke? Let it sound like it's um Um Okay, uh, yeah, so spring creators update or maybe called something else But whatever it is coming soon researchers at mit published a study looking into how false news and information spreads online via twitter As well as the reach of the news study relied on data from specific stories that had 95 to 98 agreement With six fact checking organizations. So so they use politifax. Nope, etc They also did some follow-up studies though where they had their own undergraduates fact check stories just to kind of correct for bias It's a pretty well constructed study notable findings from the study include users who spread false news had fewer Followers and followed fewer people and were less active on twitter Falsehoods were 70 more likely to be retweeted No difference in results between false news retweets data sets with and without bots You may say a la's just a bunch of bots they took the bots out of the study Then they put them back in and it didn't change the numbers Although bots did tend to propagate false news a tiny bit faster Uh false political news had the largest and deepest number of retweets between all the other categories Authors found correlative data between the novelty of false news and retweets All right, can I just I I think this is all useful information I don't think that it is the most clarifying information is when we talk about false news We need to also Find a metric for which we understand that entertaining news or news that confirms a previous bias Also spreads really really fast and very oftentimes the shortcuts that we take to get there Will create a false hood that we can prove, right? So I don't quite know if this tells the full story and and I don't think the researchers at MIT Necessarily mean it to tell the full story, but people are going to use it for that So I think it's our job to say hey, you know what the next study needs to be create Boring false stories. Yes And see if they spread as fast as these because most of the false stories that are out there in the wild Are meant to be spread like they're designed to be interesting So compare that to interesting like strange but true kind of stories With if you could find it boring false stories and see what happens Because we can all understand that these kinds of stories are the ones that you retweet and just write smh on top of right Like it doesn't necessarily matter whether or not it's real. You're like, oh geez this thing again Let me just right huge if true Exactly. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, exactly. So I think I think this is a really interesting piece of research, but I think you need to keep it in context All right, moving on to amazon and creepy laughter. All right, we talked about this yesterday amazon believes that the creepy laughing Those are our words, but it was kind of creepy that was happening to some echo users was caused by the device mistakenly hearing Alexa laugh amazon changed the laugh command to say Can you laugh and then her name to help cut down on the mistakes A more useful update has actually been rolled out for uh echo devices today and and third party that use You know who now including calling up music tracks or playlists based on time past such as hey play that playlist I played last sunday or play that workout music. I listened to three weeks ago Also works for genres and artists or do that laugh that creepy laugh you did last night. Yeah Well, so I did that this morning and she she As the company Claimed they would do she no longer responded to the first one, right? Laugh it was can you laugh and she said okay, and then she laughed in her You know sort of robot ai sort of way that was not the original laugh Because scott found it online and played it yesterday. The original laugh was like a scary like freak show clown laugh Yeah, I got this was this was like just her regular like I'm being a funny little robot laugh So I don't know what's going on here, but I think there's more to the story Do we know exactly how many people dealt with this? I mean not that many Not that many but more than a few Sure, and once it you read it you try it, right? But doesn't this just seem like a story that became a story because it was a story Yes, well, I think if amazon would have said these four people who posted about this on reddit are crazy Then it wouldn't have been a story at all, but they were like yeah something's up. Oh, yeah Look, I think that I don't doubt that this thing happened. I just this to me Beaks to the general nature of how news gets written and how news gets propagated specifically the idea that This is tailor made cat nip to be spread throughout the interwebs playing on our old as mary shelly Fears that the robots are going to kill us and and that that technology has a mind of its own and it will eventually Be the end of all of us our digital children will bother their parents. He's listening. She's laughing at us Exactly, she's gonna take us down. Is these weird things are our technological fears come to life Uh, you know, I always say when it comes to privacy if you don't have anything to hide why worry Yes, but you always say that That's a recidivist Now i'm just kidding. Uh, yeah, I don't uh, it's yeah the creepy laughter has ended everyone our long national nightmare is over You know what this is this is this is a good one for mit to put in its next story Like this spread fast and is true Sure, like and again, I'm not saying this isn't true. I'm not saying that No, no, no, but I'd say like this is an example of really weird and interesting But true this should spread fast as if it were a false story. Yeah, even though it's not Yeah, uh, and and I think the interesting part to me is why does the echo Change and all the implementations of amazon voice services over time Why suddenly did people saying turn on the lights get interpreted? Frequently as laugh Uh, like and that happens the echo responds consistently to what I say For months and months and months and then one day suddenly it changes how it responds and I I'm curious if anybody knows Why that happens if anybody out there actually working with amazon voice services knows that I would assume it's just improving the Process right is that you're always feeding new data into it? That's part of the reason why it exists like some kind of machine learning algorithm adaptation That sometimes goes awry and that's the ones we notice because All right, uh, usa today a reports that flippy the robot was turned off on its first day flipping burgers at cali burger Because too many people wanted robot made burgers. It just got overwhelmed Uh miso shut the robot down for the weekend said it will not resume operations until monday In the meantime miso is analyzing data from those first orders to help improve Flippy and make sure it can fulfill them when it starts back up during lunch time It will only operate between 11 and 2 Uh during the week roger you went over there Is this consistent with what they told you when when you showed up at the cali burger? Uh, so I just talked to the guy at the counter and he told me something slightly different And he essentially said that the health department came in and said like this hasn't been approved Oh interesting so it's so The way he's he was he was saying was that they just needed to evaluate the machine Before they would just you know let it go because they haven't It hasn't been an issue before of having like a basically a robot serving people And they needed to ensure that you know the health of the public was kept intact and that's that's what was told to me So I mean whether that's act whether that counter employee who doesn't necessarily speak on behalf of cali burger Is is right or not makes sense any kind of equipment would need to be approved The only question is was it? Not properly approved ahead of time Well, and maybe just the fact that a lot of people were like let's go get the robot burger spread the word enough so that You know someone from the public health department was like we'll hold on a second We have a permit for the robot that kind of press is something that uh a health code Person will pay attention to and specifically the california health code Which of you have ever been to a restaurant in california you not only see a lot of prominent signage But I'll also a lot of like every restaurant In california has things that will cause you cancer and they need to have a sign Outfront or by the register that says that it will it is a very particular health code And it is a very thorough health code being the son of restaurant tours I can assure you california health department is like Very stringent and very thorough when they inspect everything to ensure it's up to standards Yeah, I mean there could be something in the code about the number of burgers It can handle that was violated and have nothing to do with like infection or anything like that Oh, yeah, no, there's all kinds of stuff I I don't think that anybody listening should think that the machine is necessarily unsafe Even if a health code person is yeah health code doesn't necessarily mean that it means Oh, you didn't dot an i across a t more often than not Or we have no idea about this and therefore you cannot have it until we Know what the hot ham water this thing does score one for humans Maybe it had nothing to do with flippie and it was just that hot ham water You gotta keep it alive not proper temperature. Wait, is that like the hot dog water you get at the cart? It could be the number of people too, you know It may be a health code violation to be like, hey, you got too many people in here like fire That's fire code. I guess not health good, but um, I don't know There's all kinds of possibilities. I also don't doubt that miso robotics is right They're like, oh, we didn't expect this many people that's too much for there We got to make sure this robot is up to speed one so that it can meet all the code But why isn't that robot wearing a hair net? Because it doesn't have any hair. Hmm. Yeah, I like one would assume the robot Was supposed to work around the clock because it's a robot and not a human that has, you know Uh, you know that gets tired and has to get off their feet every once in a while So the whole thing of like, hey, we didn't know everybody would like the robot so much is sort of a thin excuse I will restate a phrase my old boss at the Exploratorium cafe used to tell me if you have time to lean you have time to clean If you have time to update you've got time to flip you kind of lean into the mop lean and clean, you know The burger wasn't leaning no one was ever Fusing flippy. Look, I get I get understand if you are me so and you are running this burger thing The last thing that you want is on day one the flippy burger broke with a flippy machine broke You want to protect the franchise? Axios is reporting that fan duel the site for daily fantasy sports wagering is looking to go public via a merger With publicly held and traded platinum edge eagle acquisition corp This comes out of eagle. I think right platinum eagle acquisition corp. Sorry, it's just a great This comes as the supreme court is waiting to decide On a case that could overturn a ban on sports betting and all but four states Fan duel has previously raised money from comcast nbc sports and the nba Which proactively said last month that it would seek to earn a percentage of every bet made on its games Should sports betting become legal so This actually dovetailed with another story that is is in the news today, which is that ease The marijuana delivery service that is operating in california right now where recreational marijuana is legal Is also hiring people to look to expand outside of the state It seems like tech and these vice industries that are coming into the mainstream That there's a new boom for that So so what you're saying is uh is we may be on the brink of Of a vice invasion of the internet legally not not dark net stuff, but like that edge stuff Well, look like we are we are looking at a at a new gold rush There are new billion dollar with a b industries that are going to come from dark money to A regulated money in the mainstream and unsurprisingly you have a lot of these Companies that are legitimate companies that have either staked out their claim like Ease did with medical marijuana Delivery and fan duel did with daily fantasy sports wagering Which is always the funniest thing when they show these advertisements anybody who watches sports have seen a million times Where it's like, oh all these games are really interesting to me now now that i've made a daily fantasy sports team based on it Which is basically just the allure of gambling and now you would think that fan duel could slide very easily Into a nationwide sports betting program should that become available? So but fan duel is legal right now. It is legal for daily fantasy sports That is not betting and they don't do betting. They don't do betting they do I would like to join this daily fantasy sports contest where I then pick players and their Performance determines whether or not I win the league of my daily fantasy sports This is very much a hole in a sheet for sports betting, but we might do away with that should Sports betting become legal. So I I guess I'm asking that question because I think some people think fan duel is Illegal or semi illegal or no it has faced regulatory pressures from certain states a new york state being probably the first among Equals and it was looking to merge with a competing Draft kings a competing service and then that was shot down Because it would have created a monopoly in the daily fantasy sports realm because nobody else has gotten in on it I I I One I mean I do want to point out so it's right. It is illegal in some states. It is not legal everywhere It is it is illegal in some states. Oh, so but then you're just prevented from signing up Honestly with an account that they try to block you from signing up at that point. Okay So Not maybe not legal in your state, but then fan duel will try not to let you sign up for it so and even if this becomes If the supreme court does rule in favor of This case that was brought by the state of new jersey to overturn a ban on sports betting then Even then there are some states that for which the laws will not be overturned So the interesting thing here is that they seem to be getting financial support Which would imply that the people with the money Believe that they'll do well and one of the best ways they could do better than they are already is if The gambling laws were loosened up and they could do more actual Straight on gambling versus the fantasy work around Uh, absolutely. Look this nobody wants to be the first one through the door on this Because the first person through the door gets shot. However, Everybody wants to be there as soon as they are all elbowing each other Because as soon as this opens up and and you can either look at pot delivery or you can look at sports betting Uh, two things that weren't are illegal now as soon as the rules really open up Oh boy, are we going to get big businesses that flood in here and everybody wants my chair And there's going to be a big debate It's going to raise a big debate about an online gambling again, which may or may not be what they want Absolutely, but but also the other thing just to wrap this up again Don't sleep on the idea that the nba has come out the commissioner adam silver has said that in a world where sports betting is legal The nba wants to impose The fact that they get a cut of each and every bet made they have put money into fan duel So if they can say hey look There's an app that we're going to encourage all of our fans to use to bet on games And we get a cut of it. This is a gigantic revenue stream that has opened up for professional support The ghost of joe jackson is out there saying No Or say it ain't say it ain't so or do i'm at the musician, of course Uh, hey folks, if you want to get all tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to check out daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com also available on the amazon echo the google home and as a good old-fashioned podcast Uh on anchor or in your rss reader of choice at daily tech headlines.com So sarah even though i'm in austin the mailbag is still in california The mailbag is omnipresent tom, but I luckily uh have Tom the mailbag was in your heart the whole it's been in your heart the entire time Do you ever seen the wizard of Oz it's exactly like that So dav wrote in and said hey guys with regards to your discussion about word lens This is from a couple of days ago and traveling in my many travels to china and some other countries google transit Is critical and useful regardless of the operating system It has a camera feature for reading signs most useful to me is putting information in to communicate Let's say with drivers of hired cars and taxis Uh, very few of them at least in my experience speak a second language Including my own which actually led me to remember that when word lens first came out It was like this novelty like something in another language. Oh look it'll change back to your language Then it got bundled into google translate because that makes sense right you're translating something That's in another language lens itself is now a separate product I what's so funny about this is these are exactly the examples of why I didn't Use or where I didn't use lens when I thought I would and so I'm glad dav's out there like no no math I'd totally use that because we just had addresses written down to handle drivers in japan not china But I think it's fairly similar for the for this example Uh, and and for and I never did need to read street signs with it. Uh, oh man I use the hack out of uh, uh google translate with that word lens feature All throughout my trip through, uh, japan not only street signs, but also, uh, bidet Buttons that I did not know what they read until I used my word lens And boy was it an uncomfortable 30 seconds before I figured out that I could do that You know speaking of japan, I do remember that although their metro system is vast and wonderful That was another place where sometimes I'd be like Who I really don't have any English options and like I'm late and I don't know what I'm looking at Yeah, so So I've been helpful my experience was not representative and sounds like this is pretty useful Yeah, oh no, we I don't know it really facilitated some of my most magical moments when I was in, uh, Japan where I was you know at bars with guys that we had a total language barrier We could barely speak each other's language and yet we had a great time Just going back and forth on on google translate fantastic Well, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You could submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and facebook dot com slash groups Slash daily tech news show is hopping as well Justin robert young you and tom get to hang out later tonight What else do you have going on during south by southwest? Well again folks you can come on down to the night attack live show that is Uh saturday at the kung fu saloon 2 p.m. On march 10th the saturday of south by southwest interactive Always a blast. I know that we have a ton of diamond club people already coming in from all over the world To come see the show on saturday and we would love to see you there So head on over to the kung fu saloon On march 10th 2 p.m. Is the live show day show that means day drinking ladies and gentlemen And uh, it is a best place on in austin to do it Doesn't have to be alcoholic. No doesn't have to just hydrate Yeah, get get a couple couple points of water in your uh in in your in your seat I love the term day drinking Because it's like you just no it's not my time. We're day drinking sun's out Yeah, I a friend of mine always used to refer to it as not day drinking but defying the sun And that's how I like to think of it is even the sun the old what for whether it's alcoholic or not No, no, no. 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All right, uh since roger is actually producing the show or editing and publishing the show I will handle the titles roger. Is that cool? Uh, sure that knock yourselves out Um, where do I go get yourself's out just take a couple Showbot dot chat room dot net right chat realm at realm dot showbot dot tv chat realm This is what happens roger you just you're showing you how much you're worth right now He's just around like mr. Magoo channel That is such an odd reference because I know who mr. Magoo is but i'm on that i'm on that area of of time where They were still showing those cartoons when I was growing up. I've never seen a ton of mr. Magoo stuff Well, I well, I'll just look over here Why isn't that robot wearing a hair net? Uh dts dot showbot dot tv also. Uh, I like real facts about fake news Slow truth is pretty good too Shout out to all my spring creators out there Hey, hear me. I hear me. Hear you hear me. Uh roger's doing it. He's editing Your robot's papers are not in order I was about to say I like this next one, but it's one. I submitted myself in the chat room. So It wasn't fair. Well, what was it flippy was not programmed to flip Roger's musical everyone isn't dead into roger. That's a fact though. It's true. That's actually that's not even a title That's just that's just a fact. That's just a life. That one's gonna spread like false news Because it's true. Um Please Say amp the web's not bad Wow, we got a lot of titles suggestions. This is great you guys clamtastic What was it? It says it's clamtastic. When did we talk about clams? Yeah Actually want clam chowder for some reason You guys are you guys are talking about beer And for some reason every time people talk about beer, I want clam chowder Oh, you want clam chowder with your beer clam chowda I'm just a light beer. I just like clam chowder, but I associate the two I do not associate beer and clam chowder together. No, I think the beer is maybe Yeah, like a beer and cheese soup. Maybe like there already is a beer soup I think maybe it's because you're in a bowl. No, no, no, you you never had a beer and cheese soup I've never had beer soup. I've had a cheese like soup with beer in it I never heard it called beer and cheese soup, but it is beer Is I mean it makes sense to call it that sounds good. I've never had ever been called that I don't think I've ever had soup with beer in it unless I didn't know beer and cheddar or beer cheese soup Apparently it's a Wisconsin delicacy, of course it is shocker Yeah, I also had Been flambardy in it if it's properly made Uh, well, I'll tell you what maybe he would be able to choose a name of the episode because he would be living in tidal town Oh, didn't you pick real facts about fake news about fake news? That's the fact uh actually was in wisconsin for a wedding last year in milwaukee and Welsh rare, but that's what I've heard cheese and beer soup called because it's cheese and beer. Yeah Uh, it's uh It was a great place. We went to the world's oldest bowling alley Wait a second. How is it the world's oldest? That's was that sounds dramatic. America's. Oh, okay. Maybe it was sorry. Yeah, my my my my my American exceptionalism is showing Yankee, uh, but no America's oldest bowling alley It was great. It was uh Although it probably helped to More severely injure my back Is that bar in jack london square still around the the one that claims to be america's oldest continuous bar? Which I can't believe is true. Oh, west coast, but yes Uh It's it's like a crap hole, right? Yeah. Well, it's like like it's it's not I always forget it But I bring people there all the time level inside because it's so old Is it the moment the urinals with the urinal at the bar? Yes All right, hold on. Let me see if I can find the name of it. What am I fighting? And it's almost too inviting Sounds like a public park Well, it dates back to the time when you know Only oh no, no, no, no, no. We're thinking we're thinking of two different bars. Okay. We're thinking of two different bars There's one bar that is literally On the dock, right? Or like you can throw a rock and hit water. Yeah, and that is tilted Yeah, that's tilted one. Okay. And then there's another one that is like a for real still like that's a little almost like touristy Merchants is the one I'm thinking of that's a definite crap old bar, but it has non functioning now But still in existence urinal at the bottom of the bar So theoretically you at one point could have just whipped it out and started peeing right next to your pal Uh and never left the bar. Well, except isn't that a bit dangerous like Oh, it is highly hilariously unsanitary as a concept Well, also just like having it there doesn't that invite someone to abuse the privilege? I think it's more You are you are trusted to I suppose decorum full. Yeah, you can't even in a bar Yank out your wang and Wow, okay True the great place. Sorry. There's just certain things I'm gonna laugh at So the the one yeah, we were I was confusing the two as well But the one I was originally thinking of that claim the oldest continuous bar is the one Heinal's first and last chance Not this needs to Jack London's rendezvous as it's called. Yeah, because jack london used to drink there Yeah, supposedly and I don't inspiration for scenes in oakland writers novels call of the wild and the sea world It's a pretty great little tour. I mean, it's a tourist attraction for sure, but it's a pretty great little one Yeah, no, it's pretty good No, this is it The bar slanted after the 1906 earthquake and this is the one that is not Have a urinal at the bar case you know that case you thought that was distasteful You can go to the slanted bar and not worry about I will reveal my deep knowledge of the crappiest bars in oakland Or as I like to call working at a bar a pay as you go communal workspace Yeah Well, it's true coffee shops, too, right? Yeah I don't like You mean the coffee No beer and the no beer. Yeah, well my favorite is An austin institution that has long gone since the 90s. So come at me roger but It's called eat yourself man. You're just dating yourself It was called laser me and they served coffee and beer and French peasant food Basically, so it's called lazy me laser me laser me l. E s a m i s My friends It was so good Such a great place because you would just sit there all day Order beer or coffee or both switch from one to the other or back again It's lovely and now it's a starbucks ah I have a brick from when they tore down laser me and built the starbucks. Ah, you know keep austin weird Yeah Hey, we hear we hear Dallas is nice Yeah, don't move here to austin better than north austin because it goes Like starts to eat itself So east austin that's east austin's now better than all of them. Yeah Yeah, east austin's where all the cool stuff is going now. Yeah, I dated myself by Uh touting south austin. I'm obviously behind the times Well folks Well, well, here we are. Uh sarah, when's the last time that you came down to south by I did not go the last To I was there in 2015 2015 the last time I went So it's a while It's not the same as when I first started going. I was like when Like when I was there in 2015. I was working at tech crunch. So I was I was doing shoes Um And so there was plenty of stuff to do But there are also a lot of people that yeah, I don't see the rest of the year and and you know from the east coast or whatever so there was a lot of nighttime activities and I just found that It had been bothering me for years and that just like all the lions were too long for everything You know the fire marshal, you know, you there was always this like capacity issues everywhere Because there were just sort of too many people trying to go to all the cool places And I was like I've had it I spent a lot of time in my hotel room going to bed early And so I just kind of I don't know I felt burned out on the whole thing But I also saw it grow into something that it was very different from from when I started So I think I have that old like get off my lawn bring me back the old show kind of what I really liked And has really only once probably in the past five years had this glimmer of was South by southwest was kind of the early adopter Paradise and you had like a bunch of different apps and services and social media things and everything and like There they it kind of felt like the narratives for the tech year would kind of be started Right. Well, that was also there was a time where the sort of like ven diagram overlapped really nicely with A lot of these new social mobile apps. Yeah, yeah, you know, nobody had ever heard of before So it's like I mean the idea that an app would now launch it South by and become, you know, the darling of the, you know, tech slash nerd world is like It's not really happening anymore. But for for a few years, that was exactly what it was It was and it was so fun to have a bunch of these funny apps and everybody acts like this crappy app Is the coolest thing on the planet and sometimes they are and it's like sometimes they're twitter nine times out of 10 they're something dumb and The year the year that twitter Won south by southwest Was the year I enjoyed it the most. Yeah, but it wasn't because of that And I feel like twitter Benefited from the fact that there were a lot of really Interesting people doing interesting things in austin and everyone's like, hey, have you tried this twitter thing? Let's try this twitter thing. Yeah, and it spread and then every year after that people thought Oh, well now we can capture that but those people stopped coming to south by southwest and a new More marketing oriented crowds started to come in and I think that's why that faded away It just didn't have the same Now now it is kind of the battle of the brands. Yeah, right and that's that's sort of what it is and Look, there's some cool stuff You're walking down the street and all of a sudden you see a gigantic american god's buffalo or you know There's a whole westworld thing here this year Yeah, like and so that stuff is really cool the installations are rad like from an artistic perspective If it's cooler than it's ever been Just walking around and the film part of it's always been cool. It's been cool. Yeah, and it just keeps getting better The only thing it sucks is it like I just want more crappy apps, man What make make more crappy apps so I can act like your crappy app is the coolest thing on a app con That's what I want Just make even if it's just hacked together in five minutes, man Give me some crappy social media start the california republic app con And And it'll all be crappy apps and we'll hold it adjunct to spectacle Do we have to call them crappy apps because that sounds like a toilet app are No, I mean look I genuinely What I enjoyed was you know, I your yeah, well, no, I just enjoyed giving apps that I would have no interest in trying We can do it because there was like this captured Uh, uh, you know this this held hostage community of people that yeah our early adapters that like to use it That would all give this one thing Be really fair shake. Yeah when four square launched It was like hey now we all have to run over here because like I've seen 10 or more people check in And then it's like four squares not working four squares down again Well, never know where anyone is anymore at our first annual california republic app con We will give our lifetime achievement award to mere cat to me Well, because that was the last one that I loved was a mere cat launched here or launched before But it really caught on here and all of a sudden you realize like oh, wow Like phones and connections are so much better that these things that had launched before like quick and stuff like that Now all of a sudden this is really viable like this is something that matters Uh, and that was really awesome and that was three years ago and and now nobody Yeah, I do remember going back once we Finally got Access to like the history of our tweets whenever that featured became something that we could do I went back and because I signed up for twitter like right before I went to south by for the first time I mean that's just like 2007 and um or 2008 or you know, they're about and it's it's like The tweets are so weird where I'm like her to her like hashtag red eye fly you know, but like I realized what I was doing because it was like well We were all talking in code back then because we knew that like only the nerds were on twitter Like it was my way of saying like that I was at some, you know, like nightclub or whatever Um, but like that's the way it was for some time. It's like if I were to I mean sure Maybe we all send a cryptic tweet here and there It's like you're watching the Oscars and if someone's not watching the Oscars, they're not going to get it Get it. Yeah, but very rarely am I trying to confuse anyone by tweeting these days, you know It's just that like you you realize your audience is totally broader and It's all about engagement and not about like some secret, you know inside joke club thing I miss it though, right? I do. I miss it too I'm gonna tweet hardy hard at some point and none of y'all are gonna know I'll just take Sarah and let her know what's happening I did not do anything on march 8th 2007 Uh, but I did on march 9th 2007 tweet twice Waiting for freaking Nicole C to show up so I can go to eat breakfast Sitting in my hotel room looking at congress avenue in austin waiting for south by southwest to begin Where uh, where do you go for this? Uh, you have to download your archive and then it gives you a little spreadsheet Uh, any final words to our youtube streamers viewing audience streaming video viewing only that I give you my very best Likewise Here's to you and yours Sorry, I actually had it left on tom and uh, justin by accident. So While you were talking sarah, it was just tom and justin's face. I apologize. They could still hear me I feel that my message, uh, I I say that's a visual domain When I say best wishes to all And to all we'll see you tomorrow. See you. Yeah