 Uh, we want to talk about guys, obviously, uh, the end times and that being the case, I want to ask a couple of questions as we get started. By the way, if you guys are not familiar with my brother, Sir Walter Jones, make sure you go over to his channel, subscribe. You will love his content. You will love the way that he goes to the scriptures. Uh, ignore the fact that he has hair. He can't help it, but that being the case, uh, this whole issue about the end times, the whole issue about when is Jesus coming back? The second coming, uh, pre-trib, post-trib, meet, mid-trib, pre, uh, premillennial, omeline, all these things. What is the significance or importance or is there any significance or importance? Uh, yeah, it is, uh, much significance and importance. First of all, good morning, good afternoon, good evening to all of you who are watching the replay and those of you who are watching the live. God bless you all. Thank you, brother Corey, for the invitation. This might be three or four times you and I have been together on the show. Um, those of you who are part of the Sir Walter Jones show, I bless you all. We overheard somebody else's house. So you all behave yourself. Uh, he asked a very great question about that. It is important to know the very beginnings of everything. God created this heaven and earth and people through Jesus Christ by looking at the future and determine your beginning and everything had a purpose because God is omniscient. He's all knowing and he's omnipresent. He's everywhere. So he knew what was going to happen before he created Adam. So he had a love for man. He had a love for the Jewish people and he made promises to them that he must keep through the prophecies and through time. God has progressed his plan through dispensation. So everything that's happening and has happened is has a purpose and the purpose is that God loved man. What is man that that was so mindful of? He loves us just that much. So he's got to, you know, execute his plan. Now you said something that, that, uh, we need to deal with, uh, you said some words, some buzzwords that maybe some people might not, might ever issue with, and we'll get to that in just a little bit. But I heard a person say it this way, uh, and to some degree, I agree with them that this is not a heaven or hell issue on that regard, I disagree. Uh, he said, this is not a salvation issue. And I said, well, yes and no, it's not a salvation issue in the sense that if you have placed your faith in Christ, then whatever your eschatological view is, it's not going to, uh, forfeit that. However, the reason why this is a salvation, a Salafi issue, uh, a heaven and hell issue is because I believe, just like brother Walter believes that God has a plan for Israel and Israel, according to the Bible, and we see it now has turned their back on their Messiah. And so they are going to look back and some of those prophecies that we talked about that are in the past tense and the verbs, Israel is going to say those things and they're going to be people that's going to have to give them the word. Paul brings this up. We'll cover this later about, you know, you've heard the passage in, in, in Romans nine to 11, Paul says, well, how shall they hear without a preacher? Well, that's literally speaking about Israel, hearing the gospel and then placing their faith in Christ. Well, how's it going to happen? And so we'll, we'll cover that. But now you said, you said almost, I don't consider it a dirty word, but some might, you talked about different dispensation. You also mentioned the difference between Israel and the church. And so we're going to have to, have to break that down. But my question is, or what we have to deal with one is you believe in, in what tell, tell us what your in times view is my in time view. Now that's a, that's a big broad question. So is there a specific or well, would you? Okay. What would you consider yourself? Now I know the answer guys, by the way, are you pre millennial or you are millennial, which, which yeah, um, I am obviously for, for the people who know me, I am pre tribb, a rapture guy. And I think that the scriptures has, um, has given us too many clues, uh, and, um, and, um, road maps to that view, the problem is at one time, we all, almost all of us believe in a pre tribb rapture. It was hard for us to find anybody who didn't believe that. Okay. Uh, part of the reformation part of the, um, the Protestant church, uh, now I know Catholics, they, they're different. They don't believe in a lot of that, but mostly we Pentecostal Baptist, we believe that. And then something happened later on in years and in recent years, people began to move for more towards a mid tribb and a post tribb view. And it's based off of some of the teachings and some of the people who are coming out of, uh, theology and divinity schools who are being taught that there's no scripture reference or there is no historical reference. Uh, of a pre tribb rapture, although it is there. We're discovering even that more. So they're leaning more so that it's a new teaching based off of Brother Darby in the 1800s. And so that's why many people are walking away from the pre tribb teaching. One of the, by the way, guys, if you have any questions towards the end, we are going to take questions, uh, or your rebuttals. And if so, make sure that you put a Q, a big gigantic Q or question. And that way we, I can go ahead and highlight those and we can, we can bring those four and try to answer those. Obviously we can't cover everything, but we'll try to work our way through. Now we've got to deal with what's the point. What's the purpose of the tribulation? It's not, it's not as though God will, now that is assuming that there is a tribulation. So we need to deal with why, what is the point of a tribulation, why the tribulation is for who it's for. And if there is indeed a tribulation. And so because we take the view that there is going to be a tribulation, well, the question has got to be why. And the why is rooted very, I wouldn't say in the beginning, but very close to the beginning. Uh, God has a plan for Israel, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a plan for us as well. That is us Gentiles now. Yeah. By the way, moderators, we haven't said this in a while, but let's just go ahead and reinforce this. Hebrew Israelites are still banned. So if you Hebrew is light, you're going to differ with us, but we do not believe that we are Israel. We do not believe that the church replaces Israel. And so God has a plan for Gentiles, Gentile believers, but also for Jewish believers for, or for Israel, those Jewish believers will be part of the church. And so, so you guys can understand there's a distinction. There is a distinction between the church that's made up of Jews and Gentiles. Anyone that's placed their faith in Christ is part of the church. Anyone that has a Holy Spirit in them is part of the church. And then you have Israel who does not have, and we're speaking of Israel, who has not placed their faith in the church. Israel, and it's only ethnic Israel. We can't become part of Israel. We don't believe in a, now some of you all may believe in a spiritual Israel. That's fine. We can, we can go through that as well later on if, if, if we need be. Um, but if you believe that, if you have a question about that, then make sure you put a cue or question in front of that. But the reason for there being a tribulation, because again, God made some promises. And so if God has made some promises, God has, God is not a person like us who will make a promise and then making excuse for not keeping that promise. He made a promise specifically to Abraham, to Isaac and Jacob, and that he's going to leave a posterity for them. And so to cut Israel off and replace Israel with us would, would, would be tatamount to God going back on his word. He can do both. He can take care of us and still fulfill his promises. And so the issue is what is God going to do about Israel? And that's the whole point of the tribulation. Would you agree with that? With that? Well, I put it, uh, uh, Dr. Jones. I sure do. Yeah. I can't disagree with you whatsoever. I like, I like, like those answers. So I want to, what I want to do is I want to, you know what? No, I'm not, no, I'm not for the sake of time. I was going to go back to the beginning. So let me just, just run through this really, really briefly, guys. Remember, God has made a, made a statement to Israel. He wants them to fix their heart. Why? Because Israel keeps sending what we never see God doing is punishing the righteous with the unrighteous. And so he's, he's determined that he is going to punish Israel. Why is he going to punish Israel? Well, not because he doesn't like them, but because remember Israel, uh, they began to, to be the adulterer. They began cheating on God. They made God jealous, according to, I think it's either either Deuteronomy or Leviticus 32 16 and 21. He says that because you have made me jealous because you went after other guys, I will make you jealous with the people who are not a people who are, who are beloved. I will call them who are not beloved. So he's going to take us Gentiles, bring us in according to Jesus and we'll be part of one flock. He'll be him being the shepherd. But what he's going to do with Israel, like he does with us, is he's going to fix their heart. And so we see him doing so, but he's going to put them out of the land, bring them back into the land and then give them a hardened heart. And so I want to go to a passage where he speaks of this tribulation that's coming to them. And this is in Jeremiah 30. Let's start, you don't, let's start in verse one. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let's start verse eight, because we don't have a lot of time. Verse eight, it shall come about on that day declares the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off their neck and will tear off their bonds and strangers will no longer make them their their slaves, but they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King whom I will raise. So this is what God is stating that he is going to do in regards to Israel. Then he says, fear not, oh Jacob, my servant, declares the Lord and do not be dismayed. Oh Israel, for behold, I will save you from afar and your offspring from the land of their captivity and Jacob will return and will be quiet and at ease and no one will make him afraid for I am with you declares the Lord to save you for I will completely destroy all the nations where I have scattered you. Only I will not destroy you completely, but I will chasing you justly and will by no means leave you on punishment. So now he's speaking of what the end result is that he's going to do. But now if we go back to the very beginning of what he says, going to verse five, he says for thus says the Lord, I have heard a sound of terror of dread and there is no peace. Ask now and see if a male can give birth. Why do I see every man with his hands on his loins as a woman and childbirth and why have all the faces turned pale. Alas, for that day is great. There is none like it. And it is a time of Jacob's distress. But as he says, he will be saved. So this is a prophecy. This is what God has said he's going to do to Israel. And he's saying that of this trouble that he's going to bring about. We call it Jacob's trouble or Jacob's Israel. This is him, this prophecy in Jeremiah of what he's going to do to Israel. Do you have any comment on that? Absolutely. And I'm glad you brought that up because we're trying to determine the purpose and the and the why. And you also bring us something controversial that I teach about how to understand the scriptures based off of the Jews and then the church. We look in the Old Testament. We see the Old Covenant was about the Jews or the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Heaven is used interchangeably. I know we like to talk that they're two separate places. They're not because Matthew use them interchangeably. So the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven is typically is talking about the Jews, but the body of Christ, New Testament, the New Covenant or better Covenant is talking about the church. And so you have to understand the Bible on both in both audiences to really understand the purpose of the eschatology in times so that you can see what happens if there is a rapture who was Jesus speaking to and then was about the tribulation with the purpose of tribulation, all these things. So what this brother just read is the full view of the whole why is answering all the why's of why is there a tribulation and why is there a millennial reign and why is there this and this and that because we have to understand that we were giving a Jewish God to us or a son that is, you know, because he says unto us the son is given. All right. Well, he wasn't talking to us as church. We didn't he it was it was Isaiah, a Jewish man talking about how he will be born from a Jew. All right. And so we see that the Jews were the one who gave us this just Christ. And then I think you alluded to Romans chapter nine, 10 and 11 is a wonderful dissertation on the Jewish audience and how they will be jealous because the fullness of the Gentiles will come. Yeah. So matter of fact, I think it's also important to recognize that sometimes as we read through the Bible and we see some of these end time words being spoken is vitally important to recognize who has been spoken to who obviously who's speaking, but then also who's being spoken to when we think about Isaiah. And by the way, the reason why the book of Isaiah is is important because when we read Isaiah, obviously Isaiah is speaking Israel, but sometimes we want to take Isaiah and apply it to us. And it's not as a matter of fact, when Paul is speaking about salvation about the Jews in Romans nine, 10 and 11 and make no mistake about it. Paul is speaking in regards to Jews being saved in Romans nine and what you're going to find all throughout Romans nine to 11 is Paul quotes the Old Testament and guess what book he keeps quoting over and over again. He keeps quoting Isaiah. So what I want to do is make sure that we understand what Paul is speaking of in Romans nine. He says, I am telling you the truth in Christ. I am not lying. My conscience testifies with me and the Holy Spirit that I have a great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. Look what he says for I could wish that I myself workers separated for Christ's sake for the sake of my I'm separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh who are Israelite. So clearly he's speaking in regards to Israel, fleshly Israel, ethnic Israel, not some sort of spiritualized Israel. And we know he's not speaking of some sort of spiritualized Israel. Why? Because as he's speaking about Israel being saved, he says that they will be saved but for the time being, as Paul is writing this, Paul says that they have a spirit of stupor and a partial hardening. Well, that's not the church. If the church is spiritual Israel, that means the church has a spirit of stupor and a partial hardening. But then he clarifies it. He says that this partial hardening has come over Israel until when? Guys, you already know until the fullness of the Gentiles. And so he's making a differentiation between the Gentiles and Israel. We are in no way, shape or fashion, spiritual Israel. There's no such passage to tell us that we are Israel. We have not been grafted into Israel. We have not been made partakers of Israel. If that's the case then we should all suffer the same fate that God has deemed for Israel. And for the most part, most of Israel is not going to survive. There are some that he's gonna save out of that that he says in Romans 1911. And so it's clear to make a distinction because one of the things that brother Walter brought up before when he and I were talking about how when you look at some of the statements that are made in time statements, when we hear about the tribulation, it's always to a Jewish audience. And when we hear about something like the rapture, it's always to a Gentile audience. We never hear anything about the tribulation being spoken up to the, we don't hear it being spoken up to the Jews, I mean to the Gentiles. We hear that being spoken up to them. Why? Because they need to understand the tear of the Lord and what's coming their way. Do you want to ask them to that, Walter? Yeah, that's good. The one of the most dangerous teaching is called a replacement theology where when I was coming up, well, when I was in my, maybe in my twenties or thirties they were saying, you see Israel replaced that with Dora Church. Extremely dangerous. That whole thing is this as bad as a oneness theology. I don't want to get in trouble on your show for that. Okay, that's really bad. Because there was a distinction between Jew and Gentile. And we've got to know where to find that distinction in the scriptures. For instance, Ezekiel chapter 37 talks about the dry bones. And I remember someone reading that, a Bible teacher reading that and saying, see, this is the church now. This is not the Israel name or the church. And as you keep reading chapter 37, he asked, he asked, who are these people? And the answer is, this is the whole house of Israel. The answer was right there, it's not the church. All right. And so this is a distinction that the Jews, God's eyes has always been on them since Abraham. It will always be on them, all right. And they will always be God's people. I think one of the issues now is who are the Jews today? And this is why you've probably been bombarded with Hebrew Israelites and others who feel that because my skin is black, I'm a Jew. Well, I could be. I could be. I'm not the guy that chases out the genealogies. That's not me. Yeah. That's not me. So right now I'm just trying to study the scriptures and trying to figure out the historicity of it and then try to go to the finished part because we have the finished part instead of just implementing myself in there and see, okay, which one am I, the Jew or the Gentile? That's not my fight. That's the core reminder fight. Listen, it's not even mine either. That's why I said we have a Hebrew Israelite band because I'd rather let somebody else deal with them. Listen, I'm not going to get into these little endless discussions over genealogies as Paul has spoken. Absolutely. And so I'll leave it to other people now. Who knows if a person is actually ethnic Jew? I know someone who knows for a fact that being God. I'll let him figure it out. I may find out that I am or may not. Who knows? I know this one thing Paul tells me. Being Jew is not going to benefit me. One iota, what's going to benefit me is me placing my faith in Christ because I don't know if I'm Jewish and I'm one of the remit, if I'm one of the ones that he's going to work in. All of Israel is not Israel. All Jews aren't going to be those who are going to be brought up. Only those whose hearts have been changed. And so I think it's very important to understand there is a distinction. And there's no need for us. We don't have to have a Jewish envy. We don't have to be jealous of them. We have a father if they place their faith in Christ. They have a father because the goal is to get them to place it. Matter of fact, I want to go to Isaiah 53. I want to go to Isaiah 53. And a lot of what Isaiah is saying in 53, you're going to hear Paul say in Romans 9, 10 and 11. He says, who has believed our message? Which by the way, Paul brings that up in Romans 10. Who has believed the report? Our report. And this is what he's speaking of. This is what he's quoting. And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a tender shoot, like a root out of parched ground. He has no stately form or majesty that we should look upon him. No appearance that we should be attracted to. Now here is the part that I think everybody needs to pay attention. Isaiah 53, there's a reason why he's using past tense verbs. There's a big reason why, because this is not for us. Now all of these things we recognize what Isaiah is getting ready to say. We recognize those things. The Jews have not by and large. They will win at the tribulation. Notice what he says. He was past tense, despised and forsaken past tense of men. A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief past tense. And like one whom men hide their face, he was despised past tense. And we did not past tense, esteem him. Surely our griefs he himself bore past tense. And our sorrows he carried past tense. Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken past tense. Smitten of God and afflicted past tense. But he was, I'm sorry, but he was pierced past tense for our transgressions. He was crushed past tense. The chastening of our wellbeing fell upon him past tense. And by his scourging, we are now it flips to present tense, why? Because this is what Israel is going to call out. This is what Israel, the Jews are gonna say. Remember when they're on the Mount of Olives in Matthew 24, 23 and 24. And I don't know about you, Brother Walter, but I'm pretty sure you do when someone brings this up either in the live stream over there or in the comments, somebody is going to ask about Matthew 24. And when it says this generation, they're gonna make the leap, the stance to say, well, this generation was that generation. So do you get that often over there? Yeah, I do. I've been getting out for years and it's just a problem of comprehension. That's all this is. What it is is very, when we listen to it, first of all, we think that Jesus is sitting around speaking to a large group of people speaking about what's gonna happen. He was asked a question in Mark 13 by four Jews. That is Peter, James, John, and Andrew. And they mentioned the temple and Jesus said, not one of these stones will remain. Then they ask him, well, when will be, tell us, as a matter of fact, let me put this on the screen. Matthew 23 and 24, let's go to 24 verse one. Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to a point to him on the temple buildings, to point out the temple buildings to him. Now this is both four Jews. And he said to them, do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will be torn down. As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, now here's the question that they ask. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Jesus's point is to tell when the temple will be destroyed. That's not his point because notice the change and the timing here. He says, as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately saying, tell us when these things happened. And look what he says, and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of your age. So guys, this is very important. This goes back to Isaiah 53. We can't go over all of 24. We can't read, but I wanna put some on the screen and I want you guys to take a screenshot. Take a screenshot of what I'm gonna put on the screen. And then, because all of these are mentioned by Jesus in chapter 24, all of these are the things that Jesus himself says must happen. And I want you to specifically notice the first one, and I want you to notice the last two. The first one says, they will say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. So what has to happen for this to be fulfilled is they will say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. That has not happened yet, guys. Then he says that don't forget, I mean, don't forget this part. The son of man is to return. So what is the sign of the second coming or of his coming? Well, it has to be his coming. If he doesn't come, or if he hadn't come, then it hadn't happened. And then number 10, he will gather his elect people, or his people. And also there's gonna be this great fallen way. There's gonna be this great tribulation, the sun and moon and so forth. All of these things are gonna happen. That hadn't happened yet. He's just saying what is gonna happen. He says this, when he says this about this generation, we think that this, which is a demonstrative refers to a time. It does not. If I'm speaking about two different stories, this story or that story, I'm not speaking about a time. I'm speaking about something. Now time might be involved. And so when Jesus brings up this generation, he's just speaking of what's gonna happen at that particular generation. Because again, if you think that I'm incorrect, then you gotta go back and ask yourself, did all of these things that Jesus mentioned, these 11, I'm sorry, these 10 things, did all of these 10 things happen? They did not. So this could not have been for that generation. It could not have been for 70 AD. It could not have been any point in time before that. It has to be something that is in the future because it has not yet happened. And so the point of me bringing that up is when he says that this generation will say, bless these, is he who comes to the name of the Lord? Well, that's what Isaiah says is they're gonna happen. Isaiah says that's gonna happen. Paul says it's gonna happen. And so because it's going to happen, it has not happened yet. Israel has not come to Christ yet. Paul says he's upset. He's bothered. He's hurt. Why is he hurt? Because his own people, he said, I would wish I could be a curse or cut off. I don't think he's saying, I don't think that he's wishing that he could lose his salvation. I think he's saying, I'd like to die for him. If I could die for them, I would. I don't think Paul loves Israel that much to not to go to hell for them. No way. But he says, he wraps it up. Though he says that God has not forgotten his promises with Israel and he'll deal with them. Someone says, what about Palm Sunday? All they were saying was Hosanna. And remember, and even that prophecy that, because they thought that when they're saying Hosanna, they're thinking the Davidic covenant was being fulfilled. Remember, for all of these covenants to be fulfilled, for all of the promises Jesus has to sit on the throne. Not a figurative throne, an actual literal throne in Egypt. Israel has to enjoy all of the land that God has promised. They have never enjoyed all of the land and have never had total peace from all the nations and total adherence to God that has never happened. So either God was mistaken, God was lying or it has not happened, but God will bring it to fruition. That is so true. Yeah, you bring us some good points here. You've got a various, a wide audience, brother Corey Miner. It's a wide audience and you have people from around the world in their religions that push up against you on these things and you spend quality time with them until you can and then you move on. The information that you're giving tonight is for the church, is for the believers, for those of us who want to know more. And so this is like a masterclass for those who are part of the family. They're those on the outside looking at us and hearing us and going against us in the comment section. I haven't read it, but trust me, I know your audience. And they're gonna push, push, push. And the people who are in the house who will want to learn more in this class are gonna be distracted by those outside and they're gonna be pushing all kinds of scriptures and texts and many of them can't read, unfortunately. Many of them are not a part of the body of Christ and so many of them are lost and the preaching of the gospel in which you're doing right now is foolishness to those who are perishing. The ones who are here who want to learn more about this are getting this wonderful newness of life through this wonderful teaching. Paul says encourage each other with this type of ethical, liturgical teaching here and I'm glad that we have this platform to continue to pour into the saints this so that we can warn others, especially those in our families, our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, even our parents are not saved. And there are those who want to know more and now we are being equipped, you all being equipped by this teaching. So you're gonna get this pushback from the outside but some of you are gonna have to close your eye gates, nose gates, ears gates, mouth gates and focus back on the lesson tonight. Amen. Yeah, now one of the things is gonna come up and I want to deal with this because, and again, save your quit. Well, again, put a cue or question in front of your comments and we'll try to get to them in just a little bit. But remember, we have passages that literally talk about. Matter of fact, if you look at the kind of the character of God from Genesis and even through our little Bibles as we're having so far, where are we at? We are in first annual, as a matter of fact. So far, we have not found an instance of God punishing the righteous with the unrighteous. Now they suffer, that doesn't mean that if a person does something wrong over here that others don't feel the same consequence. But what I'm saying is, for example, when we see Abraham talking with God, shall you kill 50, if there's 50 righteous there, what will you do? The problem was there was nobody righteous there. We don't see God giving some sort of damnation or condemnation on people who simply are faithful in God. We don't see that. Now, what we do see is God wanting to reward people who are faithful. Israel is not. Abraham was, Isaac was, Jacob, I suppose so. They were, but he says, not because you guys are wonderful or special, but because I made a promise with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So he's gonna fulfill his promise. And how is he gonna do that with unfaithful people? The same way he fulfills it with you and I. He's gonna do a work in our heart. We place our faith in him and he's gonna do the same thing with Israel. And so he has stated that he is going to afflict Israel. Remember guys, there's a 70 week prophecy. 69 of those weeks we've seen. 69 of those weeks was Israel. The first 69 of the weeks of the 70 weeks were all Israel. It leads right up to perfectly with, actually just before Messiah being cut off. Messiah being cut off happens after, right after the 69th week, before the 70th week. And there's different things that's gonna happen. As a matter of fact, the Old Testament prophesies about the temple being destroyed. All of this takes place in the weeks, I mean the times before the 70th week. But the Bible is clear. There's a 70th week, a 70th, seven. There's another seven year period that is going to take place. And in that seven year period in the middle of that, according to Daniel 12, and if we read Daniel nine, we're not gonna do it. We may cover doing a question Q and A. But during that period of time, in the middle of it, this covenant with the lawless man is going to be broke. I mean, this covenant's gonna be broken. And then Israel is going to be afflicted. There's gonna be this tribulation, which is why there are some folks that are mid-trip thinking that it's gonna happen at that point in time. But guys, you cannot get around when you start adding these different scriptures up. You cannot get past the fact that God is going to afflict his people for this three and a half year period of time in the middle of this seven. This agreement's gonna come. And the reason why we believe, one of the reasons why there won't be a church there is because in Thessalonians, as a matter of fact, let me go there. I wanna pull this up to about the lawless man being revealed. Where is this? I've got all of these passages up in front of me and trying to figure out which one of these is, is a bit difficult. It's in, I know it's the 2nd Thessalonians. Oh, that's why. So I don't have it here. I have it on another screen. In 2nd Thessalonians 2, we are told that the lawless man is being restrained until, or won't be revealed, until the restrainer is gone, which is the Holy Spirit. And if it's the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is in the body of the believers, well, once the Holy Spirit is gone, whatever it is that's restraining him. If someone thinks it's the Holy Spirit or someone thinks the church, I say yes and yes to both. Because who else could it be? If it's the Holy Spirit and the church has the Holy Spirit, well, then amen. And so once the Holy Spirit is gone, has been removed, and think about what kind of life that's gonna be. You see what the world's like now. Once the church is gone, oh buddy. Once the Holy Spirit is gone, then the lawless man's gonna be revealed. And he's gonna break that covenant in the middle of that seven year period. And then he is going to deal with Israel. That's why you do not see the church once we see this tribulation period start up in Revelation. So from chapters four to 19, we don't see the church. We see Israel. We see these seals being broken and so forth. We see all these things, these things being poured out and that's that. That is that. That is true. I also do not believe that this Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit actually allows his son of petition to come on the scene. Yes, he removes himself. But I also believe that he still has presence during the tribulation, or how can man be saved without the Spirit of God? So I believe that his presence is still on the earth during the tribulation. It's just that he withholds himself. This is why even God himself allowed Satan. You know, I see Satan fall from heaven like lightning and he's released and he's allowed to do all kinds of crazy stuff. So this teaching, it can be very difficult when you don't know how to put pieces together. Any elementary student can put pieces together if he wants to go and find the pieces. And this is the problem with the church today, not wanting to find the pieces. And they're right there. Those who keep talking about John Darby being the inventor of pre-trib are people who are just caught up with Charles Darwin on the theory of evolution. Let me speak to that too, because I've had conversations with people who, and after I give them this, they don't bring it back. So let me give this because I see a couple of people talking about Scofield and Darby and pre-trib and so forth. And even when I, what was the guy's name? What's the preacher, Joel Webin? To him and others. Stop saying a dispensational view or pre-trib view was never before Scofield or Darby. That is patently false. Let me just read something to you. First of all, dispensations and so forth were talked about amongst all of the early church violence. And there's a man by the name of Papias or Heropilus, I don't know if I said his name right, who speaks of this dispensation and speaks of a 1000 year reign and a tribulation. These are spoken of long before, before there was Darby, the matter of fact before there was Calvinism. In 1495, there's a man by the name of John Bale, I'm sorry, he lived from 1495 to 1560. John Bale, who spoke, speaking the exact same thing that we're speaking, this is also Irenaeus. Now, people had different views on different dispensations and the tribulation and so forth. There's always been, there's not a thought that we have today that's new. So you guys need to stop saying that dispensationalism or a dispensational hermeneut, now I'm not a dispensationalist, I won't take a term, a title, but I do have a dispensational hermeneut. And I asked you to disagree, that's fine. Because I think the most important thing about this channel and even Sir Walter Jones' channel is how we read the Bible. You don't have to have the same conclusion I have, but how you read the Bible and then be consistent. And what's happening is you reject something by simply going or repeating what someone else says. When you say that a pre-trib view was never in existence before, you didn't read that anywhere, you read that from somebody else, telling you that. Because if you hadn't read the history, you'd know. But even more than that, what does the Bible say? Forget what another person wrote or their translation would have. What does the Bible say? If you've never heard of Derby, if you've never heard of Schofield, if you've never heard of Bale, if you've never heard of Calvin, if you've never heard of Augustine, if you've never heard of Uranius, if you've never heard of Clement, what does the Bible say? And that's where we get this from, from the scriptures, amen. So, I'm sitting here looking at all these, why my dog is trying to come in. I hear the dog. Who let the dogs out? She's crashing at the door. I may let her in because she likes to sit beside me. She likes bald men. I don't know what that is about her. She likes bald men. But the question that people are going to have to answer, the question people are going to have to answer is one, do you believe there's going to be, matter of fact, let me, I wanna throw something at you guys. I wanna throw something at you guys. So I think maybe we gotta go ahead and just start taking questions. I wanna go to Revelation 20. I wanna go to Revelation 20 and I want you guys to see this. I wanna read this to you guys and I want you guys to tell me how this works. Now, by the way, for you guys that, I know there are some folks that are, there are millennial and so forth, whatever my issue is, again, at the Bible, at least six or seven times, matter of fact, seven or eight times in Revelation, it gives the number 1,000. Then it goes on and gives another term for a short period of time. And so I do believe that if God meant that 1,000 really just meant a long period of time because there are literally Greek words to say a long period of time, he says 1,000 years, but I wanna go to Revelation 20 and I wanna read this to you guys and see if your end times view can fit. In Revelation 21, he says, then I saw an angel, now this is after, matter of fact, let's start in 19. Let's start at the end of 1919. And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against him who sat on the horses, on the horse against his army. And the beast was seized and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone and the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of him who sat on the horse and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Then I saw chapter 20 verse one, then I saw an angel coming down from heaven holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. Now let me pause there. Someone's gonna say Corey, is that a literal chain? Is that a literal key? Well, because you hear the word key and chain, you think of something literal but the word here is not meant to be taken as something literal. It just means, as a matter of fact, this word means something that binds him and something that locks something up. And so therefore it didn't have to be literal. But anyway, let's go back to it. He says, and he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of all, which is interesting because the serpent of all is what God states in Genesis 315 that he's gonna crush his head. Some verse might say bruise but the literal Hebrew word is to crush his head. He's gonna defeat this serpent of all who was a devil and Satan and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him in the abyss and shed it and sealed it over him so that no one would deceive the nations any longer until the thousand years were completed. After these things, he must be released. And I want you to notice this. This word right here, me cry and cry down, which is a short time. So if God wanted to use the term a short period of time or long period of time, we've got an example of him using a long, I mean, short period of time, but he could also use an exact time like a thousand years. And I noticed this, and here's where the conundrum might be, Brother Walter. Verse four, then I saw thrones and they sat on them and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God. Let's drop down to verse five. The rest of the day did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection over these. The second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign it with him for a thousand years. And here it is, here's the problem. When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth. Gog and Magog to gather them together for war. The number of them is like the sands of Caesar. Now here is the problem. Here is the problem, America. Here's the problem, guys that are listening. If you have a post-trib view, if you have a millennial view, if you have a view that differs, the question is after this period of time that the Bible says is a thousand years, who are these people that the devil that Satan is going to gather for war? Because remember, if you have a post-trib view or mid-trib view, well, I guess mid-trib view might actually work, but a post-trib view, if you're a millennialist, at the end of this time, there are gonna be two sets of people that will live and be with the Lord for this thousand years. In my view and Brother Walter's view, those that were raptured, and as First Corinthians said, given a new body taken off this corruptible and put on incorruptible, the same, the body that the Lord says we will not be given in marriage or taken in marriage and things like that, so we won't even be able to procreate, there will be none of that for those of us that are in heaven. But those that are still here, doing that, that have made it through the tribulation, those tribulation saints that live for a thousand years. The Bible tells us in Isaiah 65 that not all of them will live forever. The millennial reign is not heaven. It's not immortality, and so there will be people that will die according to Isaiah 65, 17 going forward. If you die before a hundred, Isaiah says, something's wrong with you. I'm paraphrasing. So there are gonna be people that will live through the thousand year reign who will not always, they'll start off as Christians, the folks that make it will start off as believers. But after a thousand years, there are gonna be some people that are not believers that are not following, they're just alive though. If you believe that there's a post-tribulation rapture or Amalena, who are these people that Satan is going to gather for war? They can only be non-believers. Where do they come from? Because we just saw that the others were killed. They were killed in the tribulation. So where do they come from? That's the question, and I would love to see someone give an answer for this. So what do you think about that theory, brother Walter? Sure. The people who goes against this, they can only speculate. And we can only interpret what we see. Other than that, we can only speculate and guess on what we can. Putting puzzles together though, we can come to conclusions. Even though the Bible may not conclude something, we can go from line upon line, precept upon precept here, little there, little and come to a hypothesis, an educated guess, what have you. Like what many people in your comment section may be doing right now, because they're looking, people are saying, you gotta go to Daniel 7, you gotta go to Daniel 9, you gotta go to, you know, this statue here is one of my favorites here that I teach the bunkers on, the Daniel chapter 2 statue here. And many of the things we do see here, because right now what we're talking about is right here on the feet here. We're talking about how Jesus Christ is going to be that stone that will crush the 10 nations. Outside of that, Daniel is a concealed matter. He said, close the books. Revelation is a revealed matter. He said, open the books. We're talking today about the opening of the books. And when you're, the people in the tribulation period, we have to remember they will be tribulation saints. There'll be us who've been raptured, which will have glorified bodies. Number three, there will be babies born during the tribulation. These babies are born, and I know you mentioned there won't be marrying and what have you. Yeah, that's true in the eternal heavens and new heaven, new earth, there won't be. These tribulation people here though, will be marrying. That's why Isaiah made a hint of the child. And so the child will live to be a hundred, but it'd be like he's just a newborn. These people who are going to be attacking and going to turn on God can possibly be these adults who lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. But in my studies, I have come to a conclusion that most of those people will be the children of those who were the tribulation saints. They will be the children, and they were the ones who, they're going to replenish the earth like Adam and Eve did. They're going to live like, like Adam's children did. They'd live to be eight, 900 years old. So if there is any death on the earth there, then we'll have to read Isaiah 65, literal. But if we're reading Isaiah 65 metaphorically, then that is just a wonderful poetic way of saying, people are going to live a long, long life and then that's it. Somebody lived almost to a thousand years. Was that Methuselah? It was almost a thousand years. Well, it could be possible that these people, because the millennial is 1,000 years. It could be possible that these people lived to 1,000 years. Maybe that's why he cut it off at 1,000. And then they go into eternity. So again, it's a lot of it is speculative, but I think your view is more stronger than those who are pushing on the opposing side. And I don't know if it's going to be old people, if it's going to be baby, but somebody that is in that 1,000 year period of time is going to be one of those that are going to come back and be used to Satan and fight against him. So I want to answer, go ahead and start answering some of these questions. And I want to start with this question because you probably get this too. Whenever people bring up any sort of distinctions with Israel and the church, Jews and Gentiles, Patricia asks this question. So since Jesus was only talking to Jews, are we to ignore everything that he said? No, because we have what we call primary application and we have secondary efforts. We can see how God is working. That we can see and we can glean whatever we can glean. But if I say, let me just use a person. Let's say, Kathy, I want you to go do this. You heard me say that to Kathy, that does not mean that I want Patricia or Frank or Bob or Mary to go to the same thing. But we can learn from why I said, Kathy go do this or what she's doing. That's why Paul makes a statement in Romans 15. We can learn from the things that we have that have been written are for us to learn from. And so we can see what God is doing. We can see what he's not doing. We can see what he stated. And we don't need to put into his mouth things that he has not stated. And so he said what he's going to do. And every time he talks about what he's going to do in terms of afflicting Israel, he mentions them by name. He could literally mention, if he wants to, the everyone that's nodded you, because when he talked about moving them out of the land, he mentioned them. Matter of fact, you guys get upset with him sometimes because he says the Amalekites, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Parasites, all theseites. And we're like, man, he could have just, he could have condensed that, right? Well, no, he's specific. Isn't that wonderful? And so we don't have to disparate. We're not saying that because he's speaking to the Jews that we ignore everything he says. No, we just make sure that we recognize who's being spoken to. Amen? That's good. The sheep that is not of this fold, Jesus said. And everything, if we ignore everything he said, and we have to ignore everything he did as well. Who did he die for? Just the Jew? Absolutely not. And the gospel came to the Jew first, but then it came to somebody else after that. I wonder who. So it doesn't make any sense to say that we have to ignore him if he's just, whenever he opens his mouth, we ignore it. I mean, because right now, you all are fighting over how to baptize. Did Jesus not say baptize the father of the Holy Ghost? Was he just talking to the Jew when he said that? All right. And so I think it's a great question that she asked because I think it was an honest answer, a question that is, but it warranted a scholastic answer. Bernard asks this question. He says, I'll let you answer this. Will there be people in heaven without glorified bodies? Yeah. My take on the glorified bodies is this. I think there's gonna be two types of glorified bodies. And this again, this is through my in-depth study through the years, and you don't have to agree with this. But at the rapture, we will be just like Jesus with a glorified body. We will have a different type of molecular structure. We will be eating because we want to, not because we have to. We can go through walls like Jesus, showed up to the disciples, just like him. The tribulation saints, unfortunately, will not be as glorified as us. Their bodies will be different like Adam's body was after the fall. That's why they're able to live for hundreds of years. If they were not glorified in a sense, okay, they'll be fleshly like us, but they will be changed. They just won't have the glorified bodies that we have. We will be judging the earth, the world, and the angels. Those tribulation saints will not be, all right? And so once a year, they got to go up. Jerusalem will be raised. You got to go to Isaiah chapter two. You got to go to Zechariah chapter 14. You got to go to Ezekiel chapter 34. I mean, it's a whole lot of places where he's telling you. Jerusalem will be raised up, Teddy is, okay? And we will be with Christ. We will be judging where he's judging that kingdom. And those people who are the diaspora all over the world will have to come to us, who's with Jesus, you understand? So our bodies are glorified, theirs are not, but they are changed to the point where they will be living for hundreds of years. And again, this is only our educated guests on it. Yeah, why do you think the Jews do not believe that Jesus has not yet come for the first time? The Jewish believers who live next door to me, and that's what they said to me. Well, hold on, why do I believe that the Jews do not believe that Jesus has come yet for the first time? Well, there are a lot of Jews, most Jews, the overwhelming, the vast majority of Jews will not accept Jesus his first or second coming at all. Well, that's what the Bible says first, but they have a heart and heart. And the only way for that heart and heart to be changed is the Lord has to do something. And on top of that, the Bible tells us, Paul tells us in Romans 10 and 11, they've been given a spirit of stupor, and there's a partial heart. And there are some Jews who are coming, who have placed in their faith in Christ, but not a lot. As a matter of fact, Paul even acknowledges that there are some, he says, I'm a Jew myself, but the majority are not. Zachariah talks about how they just turned their backs on him. But, and the reason for that, or what's happening is, he is bringing in Gentiles, which Paul calls until the fullness of the Gentiles is over, one sees through with us, then he turns his attention to them. But there's a spirit of stupor, there's a hardening of their hearts that God has given to them. Now, that opens up a whole another can of worms, we're not gonna get into why God has hardened their heart and so forth. All I can tell you is, though, that that's what the Bible says, why they are not doing it. Now, they were already hardheaded and stiff-necked to begin with. And so now God is making them even more jealous by bringing us in. So, that would be my take. This next one, I'm sorry, did you have anything to say to that, or do you want to take the next one? Yes, Barack Obama was the savior that never came. And you have to understand what I mean by that. Black people were looking for a savior, they were looking for a black man to sit in the White House. We got him and they were disappointed at it because they thought that he was only going to go and implement laws in things for black people. Now, so we called him the great black hope. He turned out not to be that. Now, I wasn't as fooled as you all were because I didn't vote for him. All right, let him down. This is the answer to the question. He came not like a savior. He didn't come as someone who was going to overtake the Romans and the Greeks and set up his kingdom. He didn't come like that. He died, all right? And he was too submissive, he was too quiet and he was too much of a renegade. And so they rejected him because like Barack Obama, he let us down. That's my answer. Did y'all see how he did that? He used Barack Obama's, when he first said it, where's he going with this? But I get it. The Jews were looking for something and they didn't get it. I get that. Let me give you this question. This is from Tommy J. What happens in the ethnic Jewish person's life if they become a believer? In the ethnic Jewish life, if they become a believer, they're like an orthodox Jew? Yeah, there are remnants that came out of the Egypt. God told them to go into the house, bring a lamb in there and roast it whole and put the blood over the doorpost. But he says, there's going to be strangers among you also. They too, once they are circumcised, they are able to receive whatever I'm going to give them and their firstborns won't die and they're going to leave and go into the wilderness and all this stuff. So my answer to that is the same with the Jew who's orthodox. If he received Christ as his Lord and Savior, he would be just like us. He'll be raptured away. And it's not just going to be all just Christians raptured. There's going to be some remnants of Jews that are there just like the tribulation is about the Jews. There will be Christians, at least newly converted Christians who are going to be part of the tribulation as well. Let me ask Aaron Fisher says, the blessings belonging to Israel, spoken in Romans nine, four and five. Do they currently belong to them as in present tense in the Greek meaning that the blessings still belong to them? So let's go to it Romans nine, four and five. This is Paul speaking about who are his brethren, his kinsmen according to the flesh, who are the Israelites to whom belongs the adoption of sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the law and the temple services and the promises who are the father and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh who is overall. And all Paul is doing, he's just really just speaking about how this stuff began with the Jews, the adoptions, the giving of the laws, the covenants and so forth. That's what Paul is, that's Paul speaking. Cause notice what he says, he's in verse five. He says, who's are the fathers and from whom is Christ according to the flesh? So he just really just kind of dressing up the fact that these Jews should know better. All of this started off with them and they turned them back and he's just adding extra information. But yeah, this applies to me as the present tense. Who belongs, where is it said? To whom the, what the word belonging in there. That's it, that's just it. Some is Israel whom the adoption and the glory and the covenants. Yeah, it doesn't say that any of it's belonging but because of this word to whom this is, it's a noun, it's a pronoun. And so there is no tense to it like you would have a verb. So in truth, it doesn't, there is no tense to it so you wouldn't ask for there to be one. So I hope it helps. Here's a good question for you, Dr. Jones. Can you explain what happened in 70 AD and why some believe that that was a time of the rapture? I think it's based off of the people's mathematics. They math don't math, math ain't math. The math ain't math and when it comes to Daniel's 70 weeks you got 70, 70, 70, 70, 70s. All right, have to slow it down. 490 years and then you've got, so you've got 49 years plus 434 years equals 483 years. All right, that's not a math math. How do we get to that? Because it starts with the rebuilding of the temple. You got to go to Nehemiah chapter two. At the time, Art of Xerxes was the one who told Nehemiah to rebuild the temple that goes from the temple up to Jesus getting him on the cross. It gets to that AD date right there. And so people kept counting and then that's how they think that it has happened. As our dear brother mentioned that we have seven more years left. So is the 490 years consecutive? I do not believe it. It can't be because then it would have, things would have happened, all right? But there was a gap year like some of you do when you leave high school and go to college and say I'm gonna take a gap year. Okay, so we are in the gap years where there will be seven more years in this 77s and people who kept counting they got to that date. We stop counting because when you read the scripture especially in Matthew chapter 24 and chapter 25 we see these things that hadn't happened yet. So how could there be a preterist, the people who believe this stuff? Yeah, and the problem with the whole 78D thing, like you just said, the math doesn't add up. And oh by the way, Daniel or the angel divides it into threes. There's the first set of sevens, that big portion, the 62 weeks. And then the last seven, it just happens that the first seven and the 62 are back to back but they're divided. But then again, if you put, I put this back on the screen guys, if the temple in 78D is part of that last seven, these are the things that had to have happened and it didn't happen in 78D so you couldn't go with that. So Greg says, I'm not Greg, where is it? Do the plagues in Revelation 22, 18 pertain to those who corrupt the word of prophecy and revelation or prophecies? Oh, okay, I said you're asking. Well, let's go there. Where's my revelation tab? Revelation, you said 20, I know you're talking about about adding and taking away from this book. I testify that everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book. If anyone takes away from the words of this book, his prophecy, God will take his way from the part of the tree of life from the book of the holy city which are written in this book. And so this is just speaking of anyone and the book, by the way, is not the Bible that he's speaking of. The this book is what he's writing of. At least that's how I take it in Revelation but however, do I think that a person who was to add or take away in any other part of the Bible would suffer a light fate? Probably not. But he, I think he's speaking specifically of this. This is, so you're asking was this, or the whole, yeah, it's not speaking of the whole Bible itself because it's speaking of this book. To Biblio Tutto, which is the book this. So this very writing that John is given because typically when a writer speaks of all or more, it will speak of a plurality. There is no plurality of the books. And again, we didn't have the book because the Bible is not called one specific book. It's the scriptures or the writings. So yeah, this is just speaking as far as I take it as the writing that John is given. I agree. Okay. No, the question is, is the devil active now? That's not really a question. I guess, and that would be kind of in response to someone who was a millennial because if he's bound, I've stated this, would you agree with this? If the devil is bound, it's kind of a loose chain. He's got a better prison sentence than even people here in America because if he's bound right now, he's doing an awful lot of damage even being bound. Matter of fact, some of his bed, if he's bound now, that would mean that some of his best work has happened while he's in prison. All right. Absolutely. And if he's bound, why y'all keep doing all these demon busting that's y'all's churches? Y'all are getting on my nerves. He's not bound. What's happening is God has a leash on him like a dog in your neighborhood and the dog can only go so far. All right, and don't get too close to the house so you might get bit. Some of us get too close and we get bit. So he got a leash on him and one day God's gonna take the leash off him and let him loose. That is the great tribulation that we see in Revelation. Kathy asks, are you saying or are we saying there won't be non-believers in the millennium period? I think we already answered that, though, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. Those who go into the millennial are saved. All right, because there's a book. There's a Lamb's Book of Life. There's a book of life that God's going to read the great white throne judgment, all right, and who's gonna be in that book, all right? And so you gotta understand that the people who, he said it, Corey said it earlier, that those people who, they're gonna be people who are gonna already be destroyed. The ones who go into the millennial are those who receive Christ. He's coming down from heaven. This is the view right here where the post-tribulation people say, the post-raptured people say that when you see Jesus cracking in the sky, the saints on the earth are gonna be raptured, and then Jesus is gonna come, and then they're gonna come right back down with Jesus. That's the post-tribulation view in short. I'm obviously totally against that. Jesus is gonna come with us who have already been raptured, all right, and then they're gonna come down, and then those who are going to go against him in Zechariah chapter 14 are gonna try to shoot him out of the sky. And then they will be destroyed, and the ones who go into the millennial will be saved, all of them who go on in millennial will be saved. And then you're gonna see some type of, you're gonna see some rules and regulations happen. Again, you gotta read all of Zechariah. Zechariah chapter 14, and he's going to tell you all the things that's gonna happen in the millennial. Yeah. Simone asked, could the church be on earth during the tribulation, excuse me, and protected from God? So you're saying they can be on earth and just God has protected us. Well, this is why we brought up Second Thessalonians. It says this in chapter two, verse, let's start in verse six. And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time, he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way, then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath. So now again, and there's gonna be a little bit of slight differences between myself and Brother Walter, but I believe. And again, when we say the Holy Spirit is the restrainer, it doesn't mean that he's gone, but his spirit is not there because there's nowhere that you can go where the presence of the Lord is not going to be. And so I believe that this is what he's speaking of about us in the church or the spirit in the church. And so I think that the lawless man will be revealed once we have been raptured. And notice though, this whole issue of the rapture, if we go to 1st Thessalonians 14, I mean 413, that we don't want you to be uninformed rather than about those who are asleep so that you will not grieve. So as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not proceed those who have fallen asleep for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the Trump of God and the dead in Christ will rise, then those who are alive and remain will be caught up together with him in the clouds and meet him. Now notice what he says in verse 18. Therefore, comfort one another with these words. Be hard to say that the church would be in the middle of the rapture. Well, let's comfort you now. There is a view that says that we might still be here but we won't go through it. That means there's gonna be a spot, a place, a land somewhere where the believers can be protected. The problem is though, how? Because we're told that during this time you're gonna have to have the mark of the beast and he speaks of the whole world. And so how will Christians who are being protected, how will they get past this? I don't see any way biblically scripturally happening so I can't see us being here but having a hedge of protection if you will, a shield, a buffer zone would have you, a force field around us. I don't see that happening. I see us as literally according to what Paul is saying that we will be gone and caught up. And now people say, well, that seems like the second coming. No, it's not the second coming because the Bible tells us that when he does come at his second coming, he is gonna put his foot down on the Mount of Olives and it's gonna split in two. That's not what's being described in Thessalonians. So, would you have anything to say about that, Brother Walter? Absolutely. The church is in chapter one of Revelation chapter two, chapter three, if you can pull up Revelation chapter three verse 10, you see, okay, are you able to read that? Yes, sir. Because you have kept the word of my perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come up on the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. Yes, that word, Greek word is ek, out of, if he had said dia, that would have been preserved through. So that's a different, yes, so when you- Let's put on the screen so you guys can see what he's talking about, this word ek. Here it is. And I will keep you from the hour. Here it is. Kygo say terrae, terrae so, which is an I, you, I will keep ectase oras, which is out of the hour. So yeah, so his point is not through the hour, but out of the hour. Good point. Out of the hour, absolutely. And Thessalonians talk about we will be protected from this day of and time of wrath. So this is why we spend a lot of time talking about free tribulation and how much strength and descriptors was given us on that teaching. It doesn't matter what John Darby says. If it wasn't for John Darby, a lot of y'all wouldn't know who to pinpoint on how to oppose us, okay? We thank God for Darby giving strength to the revealing of what we already knew. The first century church was talking about this. The scripture is talking about it. So just because a guy talks about it many years later and you think it's brand new is because you haven't been studying. The church is on the scene here. And then chapter four, we see the church disappear. We don't see the church no more until Revelation chapter 22. They're gone. So the church is not here. Tribulation is not about the church. The tribulation is about Jesus. Antitype of Jesus is the antitype of Joseph. It's about Joseph and his brothers who when Joseph told the Pharaoh and the Egyptians to leave the room, y'all got to go. We look at this as the types and shadows of this time here. Leave the room so I can talk to my brothers who rejected me. They didn't know who I was, all right? And then we see, we kind of vision him lifting his skirt to show his circumcision. And when they saw him, they weep, all right? Because Joseph wept as well. So we see this type of anti-type or shadow of the tribulation that Jesus is telling the church, leave, leave, I need to talk to my brothers who rejected me. And then he lifts his skirt in the tribulation time. That's why you don't see the church anymore. And then 144,000 are the ones based off of Simone's question here. It's the 144,000 who are none of them a church. All of them are from the 12 tribes of Israel. There's only one tribe that we know that's missing. Dan is missing and that's another show. They're the ones who are going to be secured and protected and preserved. They're the ones, not the church. Lady T asks a question. She says, is the modern state of Israel relevant to prophecies in Revelation? I say yes. What do you say? I'm sorry, I'm sorry I didn't catch you all. Oh, absolutely they are. Most of the Jews over there not save anyway. Then I say, most of them are not. But. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm sorry. Go ahead, I'm curious what you're gonna say. No, I was gonna say, as a matter of fact, when you start reading what God has stated, remember God has stated, I'm gonna, let me put it in the way my parents have told me. I'm gonna whoop your behind. I'm gonna get you. There's a lot of stored up wrath for that nation. But he still loves it, the nation. And remember, matter of fact, I wanna pull up something. Where is it? Jeremiah 31. And I wanna go towards the end of what he said he's going to do. Now he's gonna make this new covenant with Israel. And that's what he says in verse 35. It says, thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day, and the fixed order of the moon, and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that it's waves roar, the Lord of hosts is his name. Look what he says. If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation from before me forever. So Israel, we see this fixed order, the suns, the moons, the stars, the heavens, the seas, the waves, that has not ceased. Therefore Israel will never cease to be a nation from before the Lord. Why is that important? Because even though this time of trouble is coming upon them, even though this affliction, even though this time of great tribulation, like we've never seen before, even though that's happened, is going to happen, he still is never going to turn his back completely from them. He's gonna deal with them, and a lot of them are going to die. But because of the sake, remember the promise. The covenant, I say this is the covenant of covenants. Every covenant falls nice and neatly into this. Obviously the Noehe covenant is different, but the Abrahamic covenant, he says, I will bless those who bless you, I'll make you a great nation, make your name great. And then what applies to us is that in you, all the nations of the world should be blessed. But what is he gonna do? He's gonna remember his promise with Israel. He's got to, he's got to remember his promise with Israel or else he's a guy that does not keep his promise. Why would you ever, not you, lady T, but why would anyone ever expect God to keep his word about us making it into heaven, being saved? Why would he keep that word if he's forgotten about any of his other words? He's not a guy that lies or goes back on his words. And so he's decided that he is going to deal with Israel. He doesn't say which one. He didn't say all of Israel. Paul reiterated that all of Israel is going to be saved. And so what the prophecies have spoken of is that Israel will have turned their back on their Messiah. They were rejected. As you read, matter of fact, we bring up Joel 2. Go back and read Joel 2 again. All of it. Don't just read the part about the spirit being poured out. Look what Joel 2 is talking about. Look what Zachariah chapter 12 and 14 is speaking of. There's a lot of problems, a lot of calamity that's going to come on to Israel, what he's going to do to them. And he's not, no one's going to say, look what he did to his own people. Look what he did to his own house. No, he is going to save them. And so what we see with Israel right now is hardening of their hearts, them turning their backs on them. That's been prophesied. And it shows us that everything that's happening is exactly what God has said. And it gives us hope, joy and comfort that God has his hands on everything and nothing has left his control, including Israel. Yeah, great answer. Okay, let's go to some more questions. I'm not sure what you're asking, Jeff. And so since I'm not sure, I'll give it to Brother Walter Jones. He says, you've covered most of it, but question for either you or both. But if so, is your view that the relationship between Revelation 19 and 20 chronologically is a chronologically successive rather than a recapitulative? First of all, stop using big words in your question, okay? Cause now we gotta figure out what does recapitulative mean, all right? Now you just, but is it chronologically or success? Well, let me just say this. Can we come back to this? Because now we gotta go read all of 19 and 20 and see. Now, if Brother Walter Jones wants to give a statement on it, I think it is chronologically. I think it's chronologically and successive. Yeah, when we get to the 20s, it is chronological. All of Revelation is not chronologically. Some of it is a review. But are you asking though, because there are some things that seem to be restated again? Well, that happens throughout all scripture. That happens throughout all. Matter of fact, even us, again, I think the Bible is, I think it's kind of cool the way the Bible works. I don't think God thinks highly of us. I really don't. I don't think that he thinks that I'm smart, that you're smart, that any of us are smart. I don't think so. I don't think that God is, matter of fact, finding the scripture where God is, he was just giving a glowing endorsement of our intelligence. He doesn't, he thinks and he knows better. He knows that we're not that bright. And so because of that, he expects us to read the Bible and understand it the same way we read everything else. The book is a book of truths, but it didn't require some deep level of understanding some little spiritual insight to get what he's saying. So that the farm boy and the physician, both can understand it. And so because of that, we restate things too. When you and I are having a conversation, I can say something and then 30 seconds later, restate what I just said. So I can kind of restate the whole argument or I can kind of speak chronologically or successively. You understand and so read the Bible the same way that you would read everything else. But what about the different genres and so forth? Well, fine, I'll read the different genres too. But all the genres are supposed to be taken at as plain understanding as best you can. You know why? There is never, ever, ever in the history of mankind, ever been a society that spoke in paraphrase, that understood in allegories, that spoke in poetry. Even I'm not, y'all don't get at me when I say this, but even the King James version, do you all think that they spoke that way? The way the King James version was written, do you all think that's the English that they spoke? No, no one did. This was a poetic style. There's never been a society in the history of the world that spoke any way or read any way other than a plain understanding. And so because of that, read the Bible the same way until you can't, there's figures of speech, there's similes and metaphors with five. Understand it in the scope of a plain reading. And because of that, if you do that, you'll get how Revelation 19 and 20, 21, how it's all laid out. So. That's good. Recapitulate, it's something that I have to do at Moody Bible Institute. I'm enrolled and we have a lot of essays, a lot of reading, a lot of writing. People say, why are you in school with theology? You know so much about the Scriptures and I have to tell them this and I, you think I know a lot. I'm gonna find out how much I don't know. In the first day of school, I realized how much I did not know. Because here's the thing. It's easy to say you know everything but it's not that easy to write it out or to explain it on paper. That's the difference between translate and interpretate. We have the translating on paper and then to do it and we have to do MLA and then there's Chicago then there's APA style, all this stuff you got to do it the way they tell you to do it. So it's easy to say, yeah, you too smart for school. No, I ain't that smart. So to recapitulate is something that I have to do when you're writing an essay and you're writing the introduction of this essay and your first line is we'll hook the people in then you write the body of the introduction and then at the end comes a thesis statement. A thesis statement is something that should be argued argued by someone who's reading it and who can argue to it. You making a bold statement and a thesis statement and if you made three statements in the thesis statement now you've got first paragraph is based off of your first point. Second paragraph in this essay is based off of your second point. The third paragraph is based off of your third point. The conclusion is that big word that the brother used is the summary of your thesis. That's to recapitulate that is the summary. I just thought about something. I think, and don't tell anyone I think you're the only person that I've told outside of my family about the seminary that I'm going into. And I remember doing some stuff before how seminary work makes you write out. There's a lot of writing, it's a lot of writing. It's a lot of writing. It's a lot. And like you said, you have to, it's not enough to know your point. You've got to spell, you've got to communicate. What's the point of knowing this stuff if you're not going to communicate it? That's it, brother. That's it. And they're going to make you earn it. They're going to fight you. There'll be someone that's going to agree with you what you're saying, but still play the other side to make you prove your point. And so, yeah, let me read these. The first one I'll take, this is a question that I think I've got the expertise to handle this particular question. Will my hair ever grow back? All right. In Jesus' name, why in the world would you want it to? Why would you want it to? You look good just the way you are. So no, my glorified body will not have hair. But here's one, can those with the mark of the beast repent due to the or before the millennium? Well, the most popular answer to that and I accepted is that once you take the mark, that's it for you. You only took the mark because you wanted to continue to buy and sell and to survive. This is why Jesus told them to go and hide, go on on the mountain top. It's best that you not be pregnant. It's best that it not be snowing at the time, not winter, all these things. All right, okay. And so, you take the mark, it's like a reprobate mind. It's more like Jesus said to the Pharisees when they said that he's doing his work and they're giving bills above the credit for it. And then he says that all sins we will forgive except for this blaspheme of the Holy Ghost. Well, taking the mark of the beast is blaspheme of the Holy Ghost in a sense. And that's something that God can never forgive you for. Absolutely. Yeah, matter of fact, let me pull this passage up here. Remember in Revelation 19, of course 13 and 14 as well, we get this issue of the mark of the beast. But notice, this is why these people that you're not getting, you're not gonna have the ability to repent. Look what he says, he says, and the beast will seize chapter 19 verse 20. And with him, the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were thrown into the, I'm sorry, were thrown live into the lake of fire which burns with crimson and the rest were killed with the sword. So who's getting killed? Everybody including those that took the mark of the beast. You are going to die. And so that's that. Now I wanna address this, I'm not sure why. She says, hey Cory, I personally owe you an apology. I'm not sure why you owe me apology, but okay, I accept it. But if it's something, let me just say this, if it's something that you said, don't worry about it. Don't, don't worry about it. Because it's, you can say something to me or about me and what have you. I promise you, I promise you guys, I'm not just saying this, I promise you, I don't take a lot of stuff personally, I really don't. I get more bothered when someone says something mean or ugly about someone else when you're fighting. I've told the moderates, hey, if you talk about me, let them make it a little bit. There have been times, brother Walter, where the moderates have let them make it a little bit longer. Like, man, they should have bootyed that guy. That guy called me all kinds of names. He's still here. I thought one guy, didn't you get banned? But if you said something about me, I'm not saying you did, but if you did, it's sweetheart. I promise you, it's not a problem. It's not a big deal. What is a big deal is I keep seeing, we got moderates that are moonlighting and doubling. I got talk to monkey moves. I got talk to monkey moves. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, guys. We got moderates that moderate on both channels and they do a wonderful job. They have to because, yeah, listen. Listen, if y'all don't, again, if you have not subscribed to Sir Walter Jones, please make sure you do. And sometimes you get a live stream at 12, some, now I didn't say AM or PM because it might be either or. It could be, it could be. Sometimes he goes late, but he's gonna earn his stripes over there. So anyway, let's take a few more questions because Brother Walter Jones has a hot date tonight. Yeah, I sure do with some food in my mouth. Oh, this is a good question. This is for you, brother. For those left behind, did God leave them instructions on how to survive the tribulation? For those who are left behind? Those that did not get raptured? Well, no, we see where there's a problem there because a strong delusion is going to happen on the earth. And if it would be so, that the very elect would be deceived. I mean, there's so many hints there that God's saying you really need to be saved right now. Now, what we see Jesus talking to those people about going and hiding would have you. He knew that those people, and maybe that's what Candy's referring to in my earlier comment, he knew that those people were gonna be during the tribulation. And when Jesus was speaking to Matthew 24, and he never bring up the rapture, here's the thing that's very controversial to say for those of you who are against the rapture. Here's where it's sounding like I'm on your side. Jesus never brings it up. He's not talking to the church when it comes to that. Matthew 24, they ask him a question, when are these things gonna be? And then he goes right into talking about tribulation stuff. He don't even bring up the rapture. And then, well, he didn't have to. Look at the small audience that he was talking to, like Corey said earlier, in number two, God sent the apostle Paul specifically for the Gentile. And he's gonna let Paul and a couple of the other apostles tell us what's gonna happen during the end times. I think that, I think Brother Walker makes a big point. There's a reason why Jesus didn't bring up the tribulation. I mean, the rapture, because people he's talking to, you guys ain't getting it. Yeah, y'all ain't going up. Yeah, but, and so remember I said early at the very beginning that people say, well, this is not a salvatic issue. This is not a heaven or hellation. I said, I agree in one sense, but I disagree in the other sense because it is especially for the Jews. But now when the tribulation happens, when these things are happening, what's what we see in Revelation, it's not gonna only affect the Jews. There are going to be Gentiles who have placed, who have stated that they placed their faith. Remember, there's a lot of people who say they're Christian who are not. There are a lot of people who think they are and are not. Well, what's gonna happen to them? Well, they'll still be here. And what will they, what will they still have to strive? They're gonna still have to do the exact same thing, place their faith in Christ. So what will be the set of instructions left for them? You can't see it over there, but that book behind me, the Bible, or that one over there, they'll have the, that's their instruction, but they'll be able to see the word. There needs to be people who are going to have to give the word. They still need the gospel preached to them and we'll still have it. The Bible won't, the Bible will not disappear during the tribulation. It might not be read as much, but it will not disappear. That's right. Yes. Let me see. Jeff Ellenberger sent some money and he said, thank you, Corey. Thank you, Sir Walter Jones. This is very edifying. I just wanna know, since they're asking questions, how do I get half of that money? I'll tell you what we'll do. I'll tell you what we'll do. We're gonna pray for you. I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna, all this dog right here, look at her. She wants to go after us. Do y'all hear it? Okay, let's, first of all, because I don't know if the dog is on your side or not. I don't know if she's on your side. She's getting my nerves, but let me ask you a question, though, what would you rather have? Prayer or money? I would rather have prayer than I get half of that money. Come here, coconut. People are asking to see you. Come here, sweetie. They want to see coconut. Up here, come on. There she is, y'all. There's coconut. Coconut wants to be seen, though, she is horrible too. Horrible and spoiled. If you let me go with you. Hey, coconut! All right, get down. You look like a husky. I don't know what she is. I don't know what she is. She's annoying. Can you let coconut out? She wants to see. Like a white wolf. Yeah, yeah, she, listen, she's got some big teeth and she won't use them. She won't buy, she won't do anything. You can pick up and throw her across the room. She won't do a thing. And not that I haven't done that. I haven't done that. By the way, what I will do, matter of fact, I know what I'm gonna do. I know exactly what I'm about to do. Yeah, listen, never let it be said. You're not gonna get a bad word off on me, but this is what we're not gonna do. I have to hold on one second. Let me see. All right, hold on. Sir, hold on. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. All right, bam. Confirm. There we go. I just, I just, I just sent it to him. Bam. Man, I can pay my mortgage now. There we go. There we go. Thank you, man. Well, you all right. Yeah, I try to, I see a little trick bag. I try to put him in. What would you rather have? Prayer or money? What's he gonna say? I want to. Thank you, man. I'm gonna try not to spend that all in one place. Yeah, cause listen, the movie's gonna cost what? But how much the movie's cost? At least $15. Yeah, the popcorn is what, five or 10? So, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, guys, it is time to wind down cause Brother Walter does need to leave and I promise you we're gonna cover this again. As a matter of fact, during the Q&A tomorrow, I'm pretty sure we'll cover some of this. Matter of fact, we're gonna make sure we cover some more of this during the Q&A as well as issues pertaining to the law, to tithes, to the Sabbath, all of that stuff. So, yeah, let's have some fun tomorrow. Let's have some fun tomorrow. I've got a couple of other videos that are coming out. Some more that are just straight teaching. By the way, someone asked the other day, what's the point of the other channel? The other channel, if you haven't subscribed, please go to the other channel, Smart Christian Living, which will be changed eventually to Christian Living. But the point of that is, when you see the lovey aliases or the foolishness that you see out there, that will be over there. Over here, it will be just, for the most part, just doctrine. All right, so. Now, there'll be time when we'll call certain things out over here, too, but that's what that channel's for over there. So, anyway. Brother Walter, this was wonderful. It was, I enjoyed this, man. I did, too. I have one bone to pick. Yes. Because you always do it. You always wanna show me up. And I'll let it slide, but I can't. It's in my spirit. The last time you showed up over here, you had your little whiteboard, you just showing off, you know, stood me up, made me look bad. Then today, what'd you do? You brought a prop. You brought a prop. You brought your little figurine with your rock and everything. Figurine? Yes. Anyway. Brother, I love you. I love you, brother. For a man with hair, you are awesome. I'm all right. You all right. You all right with me. Man, you all right with me, man. And I thank you. I really do, man. This is great. And, you know, when you watch the replay, you will see many, many minted of the comments that came in. My screen has been froze for at least 30 minutes now. Has it? Yeah. So I'm looking to, that's why I'm looking to my left because I'm looking at my phone because my screen has been froze for a long, long time. I know. I don't know what's going on. And I'm watching the, so it's tough for me because it's delayed. So I'm answering you in a delayed fashion and that's how gifted I am, I guess. I don't know. Or I'm just, I'm all right. What you call it, special? I honestly, I was wondering, what's taking them so long? I've really, I've been seeing that. We've seen that. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what's going on with this, with this software, with the, with the restricting stuff, ECAM. I don't, I don't know what the deal is. I apologize. This was supposed to go to both channels at the same time. I don't know what the deal is. Yeah. I'm a savant. Is that the word savant? I'm savantish. Well, I don't know what that word means. And so if you tell me what it is, and if it's wrong, it doesn't matter. Washington didn't say a movie. I forgot the name of it. He was, he was a something. He was anyway, type in savant and type in Denzel Washington. And you'll know what I'm talking about the movie. They'll put it in the comments section. I'm not telling you right now. How do you, how do you spell savant? That's A-B-N-T. Oh, there it is. Yeah, savant. And look at that. A picture of you came up. A picture of me came up. You came up. So. Oh, man. So anyway. This has been wonderful. Guys, I love you all. We're going to do some more of this. I feel like, I feel like staying longer, but I can't because I'm tired. You should be. These are exhausted. And what's funny is we put up one, two. There are literally 14, 15 sets of scriptures up here. And we didn't, just in case we had to go through them, didn't go through them. But I'm worn out. I'm worn out. Well, can you recap it? No. No, I cannot. No, I cannot. So anyway, well, I think the best way to recap it is to encourage the people on the stand true to the scriptures and not to be distracted again by those who will continue to oppose you because you'll spend too much time fighting those who are opposing you. And really, those people have made up their mind. As a man, what's the old saying? A man convinced of his will is of the same will. Still convinced, yeah. Yeah, he's still convinced. And that's in that cognitive dissonance thing is very strong in the church as well as outside of the church. And so keep your eyes focused on Jesus and his word. And I think you'd be OK. Just encourage your circle with this information. Get rooted in deep thought and study in critical thinking, especially, please put in critical thinking in there. One of my classes is called critical thinking. OK, add that in there, please. And then let the Holy Spirit illuminate your life and your room and wherever you are. And you have the full package and all these things that we're saying tonight, although big words might have been used and a whole lot of scriptures and was used would have you hit the rewind button and go over it one more time. Maybe twice, three times a lady. And then you will find yourself getting it like you do when you binge watch these Netflix movies and you go to the show or what have you. And you keep watching these shows. You may have missed it the first time. You might get more the second time. The third time, you may get it all, all right? And so that's how the word is. You'll get it all like Cory and I have. We're not experts at this. No, we know a lot because we talk about it so much. So if you keep doing something, it becomes a part of your psyche. They say 21 times at least you do something over and over repetitive. You pick up bad habits as well as you pick up good habits. And so it is great to just repeat something good so you can pick up these good habits of reading the word. And I think you will get it. And don't be distracted. OK, the end result is we win. Amen. Amen. Amen. And with that being said, let me just take you all out with the world's greatest outlet. Yes! God bless you.