 You getting Tristan now's your chance to make it better Okay, hi video we're here now. Sorry about that here we go with take two of the show And I won't forget to introduce Roger this time, which I did last time That's why it back Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday July 18th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm scooter Lane Remember to call yourself scooters this time good Also joining us far to the north Tristan Jutris from limestone learning calm. How's it going great? Hello from misty Vancouver, BC. Now you were saying it's hot up in Vancouver and we had thunder here in LA So like everything's all topsy-turvy. We're in the upside down today apparently. Yeah, seriously also with us is our producer Roger Chang How are you sir? I am doing all right considering. Yeah, Roger's fighting a little illness I don't know how much he wants us to talk about it, but it's not fun. Yes illness Yeah cross. All right Start with a few duck things you should know Like each other I swear. Okay, the European Commission has fined Google 4.3 million euros for three cases of abusing its dominant Android market position and we're gonna talk a lot more about this subject a little later in the show Blizzard has changed its model for World of Warcraft to letting you get all the past versions of the game when you sign up for the $15 a month subscription in the past you had to buy the game and Pay the monthly fee Now you just sign up for the monthly fee Although it does not appear to include the next expansion battle of Azeroth that arrives on August 14th And there's still selling that for 50 bucks Microsoft says it will announce new Xbox hardware and accessories at Gamescon, which is in Germany on August 21st Best guesses at least for now for those in the know are a new Xbox elite controller and possibly new specs for existing console models And Chinese Apple users who have not opted out which they can do We'll now have their iCloud data stored on servers from China telecoms Chanyi cloud storage business rather than on Apple servers and that allows data to fall under Chinese Jurisdiction rather than US jurisdiction since Apple servers are largely in the US. Otherwise All right, let's talk a little bit more about what's going on with Venmo Well, it's funny that you mentioned opt-out Tom because a researcher based in Berlin Hongdu, T Duke Analyzed more than 200 million public Venmo transactions that were made in 2017 And she was able to see the names of every user who hadn't changed their settings to private That's not all along with the dates of every transaction and the message sent with the payment So this is not something that anybody who uses Venmo and understands privacy settings is going to be surprised at However, the default for Venmo sharing is public and a lot of people clearly are not customizing their privacy settings It's not the first time we've had a story about this But in the past they've been like Huffington Post stories about like look at all the funny things people post on Venmo And this is a researcher kind of taking a more methodical approach and saying well Let let me show you like just how much is shared and it's because they don't alert you to this I mean Venmo says hey We give everybody the choice to make it public or not But they don't alert you that it is by default public when you sign up Which I don't think is the best practice personally Tristan. I don't know what you think well that reminds me of the early days of Facebook for example when you would log in with a Facebook account in the in the early 2000s or the mid 2000s and It was everything was public by default And it was after years and years and finally some public outcry that they made things friends only by default So I think if you're gonna make things public by default you really the onus is on you as a business to really make that crystal clear to your users because Otherwise, it's a little bit of bad faith like have anything where it's like opting out of something that could risk your personal Information I think is is not a good policy for people who want to keep customers going forward Well, and it's it's one level beyond being able to okay Location tracking was on in this particular app So someone kind of knows where I am but it's transactions that are associated with repeated locations with repeated Contacts and so there can be thing glee there could be things gleaned from specifically financial transactions, especially when you're giving it a subject which you have to do in Venmo By the way, even if it's private between you and the person receiving the money You have to give some sort of a reason why you're sending the money at Venmo They insist on it and they also block certain keywords when you do that which is probably part of the deal too But yeah, I mean if a researcher is like I know a lot about a lot of people's Personal habits and financial transactions just by watching public stuff. It should probably not be public by default Yeah, some of the some of the things that duck found in her research were like lover spats which very Obviously, we're not done with the idea that other people would be reading them, right? And there's always been in tales of drug transactions on Venmo Whether people are joking or not one of the ones that she found though was definitely a Person who sold marijuana like and repeatedly and use CBD and as a regular thing which may be legal They in California. It's now legal. So it may not be something that it's illegal But it may not also be something you necessarily want to broadcast Far and wide or maybe you do. I don't know Yeah, I mean the whole idea of making a joke I'm giving you money for drugs kind of thing is like that's different than something You know researchers saying listen, I you know I can tell a lot about what this person is doing and they they might not want to have settings public And certainly if you're talking one-on-one in a DM situation if you don't know that's public That's that's bad UI. Yeah Now how is it how common is Venmo for you guys down there? Like I don't know honestly anyone up in Canada that uses it because we have some other sort of All the time. It's somewhat generational I've noticed the younger the person is the much more likely it is they want to be paid by Venmo then a check or something like that Interesting because we have something here called Interact e-transfer and basically anyone with an online bank account can easily transfer money to anyone else with an online bank account For free all you need is an email address or sounds like Zelle. Yeah, we have a Zelle down here, which is similar Yeah Well sources tell the Wall Street Journal that Samsung is planning to introduce a smartphone with a seven-inch display that can fold in half A smaller display on the front will be visible when folded so it can work like a phone It can work like a small tablet phone could cost as much as $1,500 Samsung's also supposedly working on a big speed powered smart speaker Which could be part of the Samsung Galaxy note announcement that it's expected At the beginning of August is a seven-inch display big enough so that you'd want to fold it I feel like maybe it would be yeah, it is a small purse You know you want to make sure it's compact when you're on the go think about the old The old nexus tablet. There was a seven-inch nexus tablet that was around for years And I loved reading books on that because it was paperback sized. It's it's too big for your pocket Yeah, it's almost shades of a sort of a mini Microsoft courier You know, uh-huh project and David and I Microsoft has made intimations He may have talked about it previously about resurrecting that project in some form But it just anything with moving parts like that just worries me because especially in a screen Like you just open and close open and close open and close like how's that kind of how's that kind of Be in a in six months or a year or two Well, but I guess it depends on the material that's around the outside too because like for me I hate using cases, but I'm always cracking my phone If I had something that was kind of sturdy so that when I'm throwing it into a bag here and there or you know Or not paying attention. I'm not always at risk at cracking the screen Well, and it's gonna be more expensive because you'll need a laptop quality hinge, right? If you're gonna have it go through that that many permutations Here's what's gonna happen Microsoft's gonna come out with one Samsung's gonna come out with one HTC everybody Huawei They're all gonna come out with them. They're all gonna have problems It's gonna be a hot new trend and then Apple will come out with one in three years That will acclaim to have fixed all the problems with the previous foldable displays Interesting. I'm gonna take the contrary viewpoint and say a bunch of them may come out with them And then a few years the fad will die. Yeah, that's probably you know It's one of good be one of those two like definitely a possibility Moving on the virtual link consortium including AMD NVIDIA Oculus valve and Microsoft has announced an open industry Standard for connecting VR headsets using just a single USB C cable Currently most headsets connect over multiple cables like USB a and HDMI the standard will only apply to next-gen hardware However, yeah, so if you've got an octopus hanging off your head from your HTC vibe right now. This won't fix that But this is probably a Roadblock to adoption for a lot of people is having to deal with all those cables Well, if you get the whole be that any extra weight on your head after a little while starts to feel like a giant yolk sack You know like you're a young salmon or something like that You just like moving your head around and it's like it's almost like you're kind of drunk Or you have given too much blood or who knows what so anything they can do to lighten that load and you know Ultimately we want to get to a high bandwidth wireless collection so all the connections So all these things in my mind are just kind of stop gaps until they can get it truly wireless to your base unit absolutely the other thing that occurs to me is If you don't want to have it plugged in all the time right now It is a pain to re-hook up that has been an impediment to me actually Using mine is because I unplugged it and I'm like I can't remember where everything goes It's gonna take me forever So this would make that easier, but like say wireless. That's the way I mean how many inputs are in your current model Tom? How many like how many things do you have to I think really? Yes single USB-C. I'm glad I have all those dongles The Google the Google as they call it released its first mini program on the WeChat platform in China This is WeChat's kind of mini app platform within the messaging app The app that Google is releasing is called guess my sketch It's it's just a little game where each player teams up with an AI to battle against friends with an AI to make sketches It's kind of a cool little game and now it's available in WeChat Google has slowly been trying things in the Chinese market where it does not offer Android or the Google Play Store or search So it's making little moves into the market in other ways and this one is very interesting because it's a competing a Platform to Google Play most recently Google made its files go file management app available in independent Chinese Android app stores Yeah, you wonder what this is this they're kind of Roundabout play to get back into the into the Chinese market by experimenting with these little things Like what is their ultimate end game here because well, it seems like by by yeah being like this is a fun game You might like within the WeChat platform. That's Google very much saying we know where everybody's hanging out We just want to be part of that and it's so dominant in terms of lifestyle for people there That's the thing that largely makes the platform like Android or iOS kind of irrelevant Everyone's on WeChat people using we pay and whatnot So I get why Google's getting getting in here now Is it gonna be heavily branded with their like as Google just to get that name recognition for when me? Maybe they roll out other products that the Chinese government won't have a problem with I yeah I feel like they're trying they're trying lots of different things and learning something and I'm wondering what they're learning And like you said what that end game is Is it to figure out a way to bring a new service into China? That's not Google but run by Google so that they can continue to say well We don't offer Google in China because they they haven't changed their policy when we offer this other Platform it's very interesting. I think another possibility here I mean they mentioned how AI is is part of this and now if it's a sketching game And you've got you know people sketching what you know their versions of given images Maybe good. It's helping to train Google's brain. They know that the master AI You know it just like we did with cap chose for years Yeah typing in letters and numbers or for the Google book scanning project or now that we're doing with like cars and streets And buses and road signs and stuff like that too, you know to help educate the Google brain It's just another angle to that Guess my sketch is available in the Google Play Store outside of China too So All that data might be going into one big bucket although data storage in China very problematic as we talked about with the Apple story 2400 individuals and 160 organizations across 90 countries signed a pledge at the joint conference on artificial intelligence promising to quote Neither participate in nor support the development manufacturer trade or use of lethal autonomous weapons and quote The pledge also calls on governments to pass laws against such weapons Among the signatories DeepMind Elon Musk and the X-Prize Foundation Interesting that DeepMind which is an alphabet company signs this but Google does not Google has their own public pledge which is very similar to this So I'm not sure why they wouldn't sign it unless it just wasn't an opportunity or they feel like DeepMind signing it is enough I don't know but but this is a massive document And pretty much everyone involved in AI is signing on board to say we should not be developing lethal autonomous weapons That we we don't want the AI to have guns basically and there's a whole movement of scientists that you know have the website called stop killer robots and it's it's just when you talk to people about it like networking events or cocktail parties or wherever you hang out and people talk about AI and Drones and stuff like that as soon as you sort of incept in their minds the whole idea of like a fleet of say a million Microdrones that are have been manufactured for cheap that have just enough processing power to do something like facial recognition and have a single use Ballistic built in and you release them into say a Very popular city and say hey take out anyone that looks like this and then people go oh So it's nice to see that corporations are following the lead of scientists and taking these kind of warnings seriously Because there could be any number of bad actors out there who are using Technologies developed by mainstream companies and you know people people take off the shelf stuff and build all sorts of crazy things So, you know, it's nice to see these corporations that taking a stand now You know some of it I could see also being from pressure internally We saw with Microsoft recently a lot of their employees being very concerned that Microsoft is technically a defense contractor So anyone who's not signed on including Google proper they may be compelled to sign on from due to pressure from within Yeah, and it it is Something where I feel like it is important to study it in order to be able to combat it But I think this this is well worded to say you shouldn't be working on developing it Studying how it could be done fine Developing an actual product. No, that's where we draw the line because yes Somebody can use this for for ill, but you shouldn't be the one that makes that happen And I think that's that's good In in this particular case kind of like people you know labs developing bio weapons Yeah, all it takes is one person one bad actor to scurry out of there with with a sample and you need Responsible research because it because if you just ban it entirely that means that only the bad guys understand how it works And you don't want that either Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com. All right. Let's talk about the EU fine Why did they punish Google this time? Well, it's predicated on an abuse of market dominance It's not illegal for Google to dominate the market It's illegal for Google to use the dominance to drive out other competitors Android has around 70 to 75% of the EU market and the EU Commission didn't really consider IOS to be a competitor because they say it's in its own ecosystem They're considering only other Android phones as competitors to Android, which is a little bit weird Google does have about 90% of the market share for search and a lot of this has to do with their dominance and search being abused as well So the EU found that restrictions on the use of Google's distribution of Android did Deny rivals a chance to innovate and compete on the merits in breach of antitrust rules all the way back to 2011 They said we found faults at 2011 forward Number one was Google paying manufacturers and network operators to pre-install Google search app Exclusively and Google actually stopped that practice in 2014 when this investigation began It was the first thing they did to say, you know what? We won't do that anymore. So that's less of an issue It's more about punishing them for what they did before 2014 in that case the other two. They're still doing Requiring manufacturers to install Google search and browser app in order to get a license to use the Google Play Store Remember, it's free to use Android. Anybody can use Android but if you want to use the Google Play Store, you have to agree to install the Google search and browser app and They prohibit manufacturers from selling any device with an alternative version of Android if they want the right to distribute Android with the Google apps. So for instance, Amazon Could not also make an Android phone with Google Play if they wanted to make the Fire phone Meaning any other manufacturer who made an Android phone with the Google Play Store on it couldn't make the Fire phone for Android or for Amazon It limited the manufacturers that Amazon could work with and that's true for cyanogen It's true for sailfish all of the other Android alternatives Google has 90 days to stop these practices and pay their fine. However Google says it will appeal the decision So that 90-day clock is paused while they appeal if you remember Google was fined 2.42 billion euros last year for manipulating search results and is appealing that decision as well and these appeals can last For a long time for years and years There's also an ongoing investigation into Google ads sense that has not been resolved So that shoe is left to drop in a blog post Sundar Pachai Said so far the Android business model has meant that we haven't had to charge phone makers for our technology or Depend on a tightly controlled distribution model wink wink He's not outright saying it but he's implying that we might have to charge for Android instead of giving away for free If these rules are not overturned on appeal So let's let's unpack this a little bit Tristan and Sarah and start with what do you think of? The let's let's what let's not worry about the paid thing since Google stopped that already What do you think about the EU's insistence that Google not require manufacturers? to install the search or browser app and Require them to not make any alternative Android phones if they want to have the Google Play Store well Big issues. Harry got a thought go ahead. I mean my first thought is it was sort of it was sort of Tom's third point where Okay, I get why Google would say listen that you know these apps there, you know, they're customized They're they're quickest. This is you know, gonna help anybody with an Android phone You know be able to manage their data as great as possible, you know, they all work well together However, not allowing manufacturers to have Android forks Which I and I know a lot of a lot of folks with Android phones over the years have been like Ah, you know Samsung's proprietary whatever like I hate this but not Allowing an OEM to Install that that's kind of the one thing I take issue with most Yeah, I think any any time a Governor it's like a quasi governmental body. I mean the EU's like a super government got an elected representatives and how technically You know savvy are they, you know, do we want them making rules for tech companies about issues like this? I mean there is competition in the market iOS I mean sure Google Android has 70% in the EU but iOS is still, you know, probably close to 30% So that is competition in the marketplace and if people don't want, you know You know don't want Google stuff pre-installed and don't want to you know, you know, they and they don't want to Be you know be limited with their options. They can go and you know choose an Apple device now the thing is is that there I mean there's such a Variety of Android devices out there and I think part of this is a complication of Google's Whole premise. I mean they they kind of want to have it both ways they want to make it free for for the the manufacturers to use the handsome manufacturers But at the same time it's like well if you want to do it this way Then you've got to follow all these rules and I think that lack of simplicity kind of complicates things for themselves If they just said hey, it's freedom everyone to use, you know go nuts That would be simpler if you said hey, it's free for everyone to use and here's all the rules And if you don't follow these rules, that's it They either allow forks or don't allow forks, you know and all of these things have sort of led to the fragmentation we've seen in the in the Android market, so You know all that being said I don't really like the idea of a regulator going and saying hey guys You've got to change because of how how we think you should be doing business because there are still you know Other competitors out there and like there were in the past me and we had Nokia and Symbian You know there may be some that emerge in the future and you know Yeah, we a Microsoft has learned the hard way with the EU and with the Department of Justice back in the back in the 90s I think some company like Apple might be looking this going. Well, well if they're looking at you know Google and not having a competitive marketplace within Android Well, what who's does what's to stop them from looking within the Apple ecosystem and saying hey? You're not competitive there because you're not even letting anyone else make any handsets at all We're letting people install alternative app stores So I think it might set a dangerous precedent whenever the body like that says, you know what? You're a little too dominant in that space when it might not actually be the case Yeah, and because Apple only has 25 26% of the market they they can't be accused of abusing the dominance Right that is their shield right now and also the fact that it's like this is our product We don't let anyone else use our operating system So there is no Anti-competitive behavior there because they can go make their own operating system if they want to but if Apple had 90% of the market Well, maybe that argument would be different and I feel the same way as you Tristan about the second rule We talked about if Google wants to say if you want our apps You have to take these like we're not gonna give them out piecemeal is essentially what they're doing by tying stuff to the Google Play Store if you want to get the Google Play Store You have to agree not to use other play stores because that's confusing That's the one where I feel like the EU can make an argument, but I think it should be allowed To say like if you want our apps, you have to have them as a bundle the Google Play Store the search and the browser We the EU itself has proven that browser choice generally doesn't have an effect that that browser choice window on windows Really didn't change the marketplace on the other hand Google prohibiting a manufacturer from making another kind of phone Because they're making the Google kind of phone I think that one clearly strays into anti-competitive behavior if you can't say to somebody Well, if you want our operating system, you can't make other things and risk antitrust that that that is the definition of antitrust Yeah, exactly that that's that's a bit of a bridge too far there And that's we've seen that in in other industries too when you you know Even when it comes to you know selling certain products Well, you can't sell this if you also sell a competitors product and that's that gets a bit much Especially if it's coming from a place of dominance there So I think I mean Google's obviously going to fight this and you know remains to be seen how it all it all it all Comes out in the wash, but I think part of this these issues has stemmed from the fact that Google broke up Android into its Smaller constituent parts to help combat the fragmentation that was happening because we've seen so many older phones Are not getting the full system software updates either due to carrier restrictions or obstacles or what have you So google started breaking apart, you know into google play services and all of that kind of stuff Which again makes all these licensing considerations even more complicated And of course apple doesn't have that problem because you know they own the whole widget But I think you know they might still be concerned if you've got despite their relatively small market share and compared to Android that you know if you've got regulators that don't maybe get all the nuances of the tech side They may decide to focus their sights on a company like apple now, which is dominant within its own realm and they might you know So I think I think everyone's watching this very closely the uh It's odd to think that if android were not free if google said you can only get android from us It's our version of linux and we can do it like red hat only us And whoever we want gets it because they pay us or whatever they would have fewer problems It's the fact that they give it out for free and pretend that it's an open platform But then essentially lock it down by saying but you can't use our google stuff is what the eu is identifying They're saying google stuff has become essential because of market dominance And so withholding it essentially essentially kills the competition and then if there's oracle and something going Yeah, and that was kind of part of our code that you used as well, but we'll not go there. Yeah, right That's a another lawsuit. Yeah Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit daily tech news show Dot reddit.com is where you can submit stories and vote on other stories that your peers submit We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, we get the feedback from the people and we love it. What's in the mail bag sarah just in The pilot, uh, it's just another pilot just another pilot. Pardon me. Um, actually great email I've parsed it down just a little bit Justin, but you're the best ways in on our manned drones discussion We had that late last week the idea of people Yeah, if you're if you're piloting a drone, are you a pilot? What are what what are the legality issues here? Says full licensing is a good thing Pilots of all variety should work hard for that goal I would assume that the fAA would eventually come up with a small program for these manned drones But it says a lot to me that the fAA hasn't done anything yet to keep these things in the air With people then he also he had a variety of kind of jokey ideas. Um, and we just went with one One is the fAA will shut this down tomorrow Not by licensing, but by still making passengers go through tsa screening before jumping on a drone Yeah, imagine if you have to you know get there an hour ahead in order to jump on your single Autonomous drone Well, you know, we'll see But we it's good to get a pilot weighing in on this And and the importance of of the fAA rules and and said it seemed like everything we said on the show was it was about right So thank you for that as well And good to have Tristan due trust weighing in on this show Tristan been so nice to have you let folks know where they can keep up With your work You can find me at www.tristanjewtra.com Check the show notes for the spelling or limestone learning.com for my day job Uh, and we have been saying your name wrong and you very politely have not corrected us. It's jutra. I apologize That's quite all right, or you can go jutra. If you want to go full I mean in fairness, you're probably used to it, but I could claim my mispronunciation was a way to make sure people knew There was an s at the end when they go look at That's exactly right. Not like not what was happening at all, but i'm a big fan of sarah sarah lanae as well Yes, oh, that's a good one scooter lanae It's just getting better Hey, uh, thank you for directly supporting the show There's a good number of you who want to support us on patreon directly skip the middleman You can do that and you get access to discord and exclusive columns and all kinds of cool stuff at patreon.com Slash dtns Hey, our email address is feedback at daily tech news show.com We'd love to have you join us live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern. That's 20 30 utc And you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with justin robber young dr Then this show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Good show tristan. That was great. Yeah, I have questions. Yeah, what I have questions too at least One I forgive me because I'm a few I'm still Ridiculous being behind on my podcast and whatnot scooter. Is that because you're riding the scooters? Is that better? Littered everywhere. It's actually, you know, sort of hilariously not related to electric scooters. Uh, big scooter liby fan Yeah, uh, no, um It was just get it. No, we were thinking about just sort of names and nicknames that come out of names and I decided I'd I'd like my nickname to be scooter even if it doesn't catch on Uh, you know, just those in the know know that you know, I I will answer the scooter That's fantastic. I don't remember how it came up either. I'm sure we could go back and listen But once it came up it was like that's it Yeah, you've rebranded sarah. That's amazing. I know I know I think we were trying to come up with, um I think we were talking about names and how many like you it started off where tom was suggesting There's going to be a point where We're going to need a legislative or an organizational body to Approve names because there'll be so many people in the world and be so many similar names That we need you a unique name at one point will unique names be enforced. That's what I was one Yeah, and then it was a discussion about like we'll do middle names not do enough And then it was like people changed surnames, but they changed their given first names much less often And then it became scooter This sounds like uh, this sounds like a job for the blockchain. Everyone can have their Ridiculously long alphanumeric No, absolutely. Finally. Yes public ledger were your name is right. Yeah. Yeah Um other question. Hmm frog pants Hmm What don't they have don't they have frog pants and Frogs out here a lot frogs are in kebac mostly. That's where my father's side That's my father's side of the family, but uh, they do wear pants, but it's a different different kind of frog Are you asking why it's called that or what it is or both both? Okay, uh, what it is is is uh, scott johnson who's on the show, uh, regularly, uh, it has a podcast Association or federation I guess it's basically all of us who know each other all promote each other shows Uh, and and so he he creates little bumpers for all of us and everything But it's not network would be maybe too strong of a word, uh, but it you know, we're we're all sort of part of part of the club Uh, he would have to explain why it's called frog pants. He's explained it to me and I can't recall so Yeah Yeah, because frog pants studios was his art, uh, was originally the name of his art projects and then he applied it to podcasting Oh, gotcha there. So you're not all one company, but you're a loose association kind of like a 90s web ring Yes, look here for the next website. We're the we're the modern day version for podcasting of a web ring A pod ring Yes, a pod ring exactly Is that a Darth Vader sock over your mic? Is that what's happening there? Uh, yes Is that related to your illness? It's a pretty good windscreen Oh, wind doors Has that always been there? I never even noticed that. I've never seen it It's been there for the past three months two and a half months How about that? Oh, yeah, go ahead. How's your uh, how's your illness? I saw I saw a picture of your hands the other day. What's Oh, yeah, that's uh, I for the people who can see on the stream Uh, basically got infected by my little girl who brought home A hand foot Mouth right, right these but that was two weeks ago and I was feeling fine Sunday and sunday evening I started getting like a fever and the chills even though it was like 81 degrees Fahrenheit in the house like it was like 82 at one point It was very uncomfortably warm for my face, but the rest of my body was still shivering Um, the shakes and the fever went away, but I got the blisters on the the palms of my hand and the soles of my feet So do they itch do they hurt? Oh, they hurt it hurts like a really bad acne and pole kind of Oh, it's terrible Well, at least you said it seemed like the worst head Yeah, I think I think I'm I'm on the last half of the worst. Hopefully I don't want to jinx it Also any beef derived from roger is banned from importer experts Although if I overcome this illness, I should be okay the next time it comes around Oh, it's a one and done type thing. It's a viral infection. So you can't take antibiotics and there's no known vaccine for it But it's it's considered to be a minor illness. I mean, it's uncomfortable, but it's not Like rare cases it might lead to encephalitis Oh, yeah, don't want that swelling of your brain, but yeah very bad So you're not going to have a hand foot in most party to get all all your friends and family infected just to get it out of the way Like I was wondering that make a superhuman team Like my wife got it, but she got just on her feet and that was it like I have a sore throat and Besides the back sides of my tongue are kind of sore like if you eat something that was too hot and you burnt yourself on the tongue Yeah, it's very unfun for me and for some reason my daughter Symptoms were a lot milder than mine. So I basically Got the short end of the stick which I'm fine. Yeah happy to do You know having my daughter go around crying because she couldn't eat anything because it was painful It's bad enough, but if she had painful feet and hands Oh, that would be one for the family Well, and they say you're not supposed to get do any physical contact But like my kids crying when I was supposed to pick up and you Right, let's do there. So now whatever life is apparent Well, you know how I was asking yesterday is this like like similar to the chicken pox virus and you said no No, it's totally different. However, isn't there a vaccine for chicken pox now? Is there I always thought you were just supposed to kids were getting that these days. Yeah I thought they just had chicken pox parties because that's kind of what the thing was Well, not parties, but I mean the idea of getting a vaccine for something that's a virus It used to do chicken pox parties that used to be the way. Oh, it really it really was a thing I have never been there is now a chicken pox vaccine. So you don't have to do the chicken pox party I've had one. Yeah, because it's written because there's a shingles vaccine as well and they're they're related Yeah If you can get chicken pox as a child It it means that what if you get shingles would be a lot more serious as an adult I uh, I have the answer. I'm sorry to interrupt our lovely discussion of diseases Viral infections time. Yeah, viral infections. Uh, but hate to orate, uh, send us a link to the frog pants wiki where it explains that scott and kim johnson at one point and Envisioned creating a bookstore for children called frog pants books whose mascot would be a magic frog with a funny hat scott registered the domain name in case they ever made the idea come to life and later when he's trying to decide a name for his Studio he looked at the domain names. He had saw frog pants and decided to pick that one Wow, that's so cute. Oh So it's a frog hat. It's frog pants, right I mean a frog wearing pants is pretty cute Although pants and a hat would be even care. It's just decent is what it is. All right hat wearing frog So back back to infections. I have a little story Back to your regularly scheduled real quick title mo money mo mo billions and fines Uh, I actually picked your free isn't really free, which is kind of along the same lines. Cool done. I work. All right, go Very on When I was in california You're in your in your neck of the woods somewhere. I can't remember exactly where in the I think late 70s early 80s I went down a couple years in a row with my godbrother I guess it's my my parents godson and his parents and they had an rv sweet sweet rv And we we would go down I think we would go a bench as far as like santa cruz Maybe even san diego, but somewhere along the way I remember we stayed somewhere at campground and both me and my godbrother He and I both got poisoned oak And that was something that we Oh, no, your connection just started being weird Yeah, it is for me too Okay, thank you Yeah, your connection kind of broke up then poisoned oak and suddenly It was my godbrother and I got poisoned oak and then we lost the rest of it Well, it was let's just say it was not a lot of fun hands face and other places that you end up touching once in a while Yeah I've um, I grew up around poison oak and I've never gotten it Which led me to believe that I was immune because I would like play in it sometimes not on purpose But I never have had poison oak and there's you know, there's quite a lot of it in northern california But I have seen how bad it can be And boy, can it be bad public service announcement Zan fell z a n f e l. It's expensive. It's like 32 dollars for three ounces. It will take off the oil It's the only thing that doesn't just sav the itch but actually removes the oil from your skin And it will not kill your poison oak or poison ivy infections right away, but it will speed them up Tremendously is this over the counter or something is over the counter. Yeah, it's just real expensive So you're not just supposed to pee on the affected areas is what you're saying. I don't know if that works It's not like a jellyfish. I don't know. Yeah, not all jellyfish Hashtag apparently that's a myth too. Yeah Some of the jellyfish Because it also doesn't work. Yeah, I don't know I just like peeing on people I thought you're la not san francisco. Yeah, well, I was in san francisco context Uh me and I don't know just uh illnesses in general kind of suck Yeah, they do Any uh plans for the uh summer any you guys? That's how I do this I well my wife is expecting so I'll be doing a lot of house cleaning Making a lot of casseroles um Yeah, roger has the most exciting at least you know wrapping up the summer event of any of us for sure sequel You like the first one. Yeah I mean your first your first uh child is pretty darn cute. So Hopefully that's what keeps her around Right, like honestly, I believe is you came out with a pretty ugly kid. You're like, yeah Like you give me diseases You constantly clamor for food and affection Like, you know, I you're so needy. So needy adorable child Well, it's because you know This is the thing about parenthood a lot of stuff really just kind of makes you wonder if you should have kids Then they do the one thing It's so adorable. So cute. You literally forget about all that. He's like, oh fine I love you. Are you talking to your daughter about the baby yet? Yeah, I've been saying that she should prepare because I'll have high expectations from both of them And that I will basically be doing a Oh good your father's child. There's gonna be there's gonna be a little bit of gentle You know comparison and competition between the two that I will encourage in a very Perhaps a uh in a very kind of disciplinary and fashion like who can tell me, you know, the the square root of seven Yep, first one. This is of course. Yes. Yeah, the three-year-old and the newborn Only one of them makes it out of adolescence Well, they'll all make it out of adolescence. It's whether or not they make it out of adolescence with You know, like, oh, okay. I'll pay for your college. There's like a bonus at the end. 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