 We're going to try to get a role link and there's a lot of very exciting people in the audience who are here and we want to recognize them. We've scheduled this for an hour. I just want to let you know if we don't get to all the questions by the end of the hour or all the comments by the end of the hour my son will still be here. We'll be able to take some questions. First of all, I am so honored to introduce Sheriff Salazar and he has offered to lead us in the political education. Please stand and join me in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And this is that point in time where I try to recognize all the dignitaries and hopefully not leave anybody out. We have a representative from the office of Jose Menendez. Are you here in Elysia? Oh, thank you. There she is. All right. We also have with us former Councilman Ray Lopez, who represents the District 6. Thank you for being here, Councilman. We also have with us a representative from Council District 4 from the Councilman's office. Edgar Bouffier, thank you for being here. And we have the newest official of the night. He's hot. He's an exciting county commissioner, just so you know who he is. Thank you very much. Thank you, Councilman. This is Sandra Ball. She does a great job. She's been a great partner. And my old office is St. Rep. And I know she will continue to be a great partner in the newest office, which is County Commissioner. I'm very excited and honored. This feels a little bit like a homecoming to me. I did not go to Jefferson, but our first home, as many of you know, is right down the street here on Meredith. Back in 2000, 2001, and then from 2002 to 2004, I had the privilege of serving as the Jefferson Neighborhood Association President. I see plenty of familiar faces. Anyway, I just wanted to come by simply to say hello, good evening. I'm excited about the opportunity to continue serving you in county government now as County Commissioner. For those that live in my old house district, which was 125, I know this is TNF character here. But for those that live in House District 125, there is a special election coming soon to replace me. That is February 12th. I know County of Columbus is one of the candidates. So please make sure you circle that and live in the district. It is going to be probably a very low turnout affair. So the more the merrier we can get to come out and vote, we need to make sure we have representation throughout the session here in Austin since it started this week. But again, I just wanted to come by. Let me have you jot down my numbers just so you know. 210-335-2612. I'll say it again. 210-335-2612. That's the office number downtown. My email is justin.plodriguezatbear.org. Please let us know what we can do. We're excited to make some announcements in the coming weeks on how we can be more accessible and transparent at Bear County. I've got my first commissioner's court meeting on Tuesday, so I'm excited about that. But again, if there's anything we can do to coordinate, to collaborate, to work with District 7 and the Councilwoman, please let us know. Thank you very much. Thank you, County. Thank you. It was quick and efficient. Thank you, Commissioner, very much. So I acknowledge I think there are a couple more highlights. We do have Ms. Doris Griffin with us. She is our appointee to the Joint Commission on Elderly Affairs. Ms. Griffin, we also have our appointee to the Bond Oversight Commissionist here. And that is Councilwoman Eleanor Mojado, right in the back. She's losing some peripheral vision there. All right, and then before we jump into the program, a last thank you is to my team who helped put this all together. They were on vacation for about a week and a half, two weeks, and they thought, you know, they would come back to a relaxed new year and refresh. And I had all that unsupervised time to come up with lots of ideas. And I think I probably scared them the first day they were all back. But among them was we need to have a community conversation around the hiring of the city manager and around public participation. So we're really excited to kick off 2019 this way. I want them all to raise their hands. Where are you? They did a tremendous job of putting this together. I also want to thank the volunteers who are an extension of our office over there in the boards at the table. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. I'm sorry, Kelly from Soul Ross Middle School. Pat now! Thank you very much, guys. So I imagine many of you are here to hear about the city manager selection process. I believe that it is one of the most important decisions that our council will make this term, possibly the most important decision. The fact that you are here to hear about it, to learn about it, and to share your opinion really tells me that our community believes in engaging with local government. And that's what we're going to talk about first before we jump into the city manager discussion. So give me just a few minutes to talk about that. So we have these two items, right? Public participation and then the city manager discussion. In terms of public participation, this is what I'm going to talk to you about. Number one, what is it? What am I talking about when I say public participation? You're going to hear me say that a lot tonight. Let's make sure that I'm clear about what I mean with that. Then I'm going to tell you why I believe it's important and what I'm trying to accomplish in my time on council with respect to public participation. What is public participation? It's everything. It ranges from you when you receive an email from me. Someone was just telling me they saw the newsletter and they were in it and they were in one of the pictures. Mr. Guzman, where are you? That's public participation. To calling the council office, that's public participation. When you complete a survey online, that's also public participation. Being here, obviously public participation. But I also want to be clear, public participation is a range to it. On this end, we have just informing you about something that's happening. When I send you an email, that's one end of public participation. Then you can increase it. If you come to a public meeting, that's the one more involved than reading an email. If I ask you to volunteer to be on a task force or to be part of a long-term public participation process, that's here. For instance, right now the city's developing a climate action plan. I do want to give a shout out to Councilman Ray Lopez, who did a lot of work on the environment. Thank you very much. That's part of the reason we're here developing that plan. There's actually a handout about it on the way in. That's a process that Council's eventually going to vote on it. We had a lot of surveys that went out. We had a lot of community meetings. And we have, I think, like five different task forces or working groups working on it. Dr. Aditya Kambu is here with us. It's on one of those working groups. Thank you very much. So that's pretty involved, right? And then at the far end of the spectrum of public participation, we have you making the decision. And that's when you go and you vote on the board, right? That's you make the decision and the Council does what you tell them to do. Or when you elect your representatives to the Council. So, public, thank you so much. Charlie, also on the team, as of now, as of today. Thank you, Charlie. So that's what we talk about. That's what I mean when I say public participation. And depending what the topic is, you need a different level, right? A public participation. Things that are very important might need something a little bit more involved. You know, who's going to fill your pot bowl? What contractor does that? Maybe less involvement. I'm probably not going to send you a survey about which contractor you make should fill your pot bowl, right? Okay. Now I'm going to tell you why I think that's important. If you're here, my guess is you believe that it's important. Who here thinks that public participation is important? Public City processes, right? Yeah, you probably wouldn't be here if you... Oh, Dr. Rodriguez did not raise her hand, but that's all right. So, number one, it's important to me because it's a commitment I made to you when I sought this office. I said that you would have a voice in shaping the future of this city. And I take that very seriously. I also believe that you elected me and all my council colleagues for those of you who don't live in District 7. It's okay, there's no welcome here. But when you elected us, I believe that you entrusted us with the authority to make some decisions to take some votes. But when I take those votes, I have to do some research, right? I have to read the material and to study it. I have to ask some questions to make sure I'm doing right by you. For me, part of that research is checking in with the public. I can't do it for every single vote I take. That would be absolutely impossible. But, for instance, for the selection of a city manager, yes, I can get the board at the end. Sorry, I don't know why I'm out of breath. I did not run over here. So sorry that I didn't remember what my next meeting point was. So some people here may think, or in other places may think, public participation, but that's just when you hold a public meeting and you check a box. Has anyone ever heard someone say that or think that that's what someone might think public participation is? Right, I'm going to tell you that is not what I believe, okay? I believe that you, as members of the public, actually bring valuable knowledge. You bring insight. Thank you. You bring insight to the processes, to our decision making. You're the expert in living in this city, right? Because you live here. You know whether or not the drainage works on your street. You know whether or not there's a dead cat on the street. And whether there is an enough shade at the park. And that's why if we hear from you when we make our decisions, I think we can have a better product. So for me that's really the goal of hearing from the public is having a better outcome. It is not checking the box for me, okay? I also believe that if we don't hear from the public that we risk a lot. We risk A, not getting to the best solution. We risk that our decisions won't stand the test of time, the consequences, right? If we don't hear from all the parties involved. So if I had to use a metaphor, I would say that hearing from you is part of the foundation of the building that we're constructing. So we don't have a quality foundation. And I'm sure anybody who lives in this part of San Antonio knows how important it is to have a quality foundation, right? If we don't have a quality foundation, our building is going to shift. We're going to get cracks in the walls. And that's not what we want with our city government, right? Okay, so just to summarize, that's why I think it's important. It's the foundation of our decision-making process. I believe you bring valuable insight and I believe it's about making our decisions stronger, right? That's why it's important to me. I also think it's important to clarify who is the public. The public is certainly the residents of District 7, the residents of San Antonio. But it's also people who might be impacted by the decision in some way. They all have a piece of that foundation, okay? Mr. Halterman, how are you? Happy to hear it as our principal. I should also mention it looks like we're being recorded. Charlotte, I would like to now cast a say thank you very much for your commitment to public experience. So before we move on to our next topic, I just want to tell you what my vision is for public participation with the city of San Antonio. So there's a handout in the back that actually lists some recommendations that I'm putting forward. I've built these in collaboration with some council members including Councilman San Vane, whose representative is here today. And they're really a set of improvements to implement. And they range from broadcasting some of our meetings to broadcasting our zoning commission meetings or some of our council committee meetings. I'm going to start sharing the public safety committee meeting and I think it would be important to broadcast that. I will be streaming it on Facebook, so if you're not following me now, you still can. And the first of these, oh yeah, this is another very exciting recommendation is that if you come to a city hall meeting, either just to list in or to testify, I think you shouldn't have to pay for parking. In general, I don't believe in free parking because I think it incentivizes people to drive blah blah blah blah. But I think we shouldn't have failures, right, for people to participate in local government. And of these recommendations that you have, the first of these that's coming up, it's on a council vote. It's on the agenda for January 17th. It's something called a set of principles of public participation. And how long is that, right? What does that mean? They're also on hand out there. It's really, and they're also up here on the easels. If you didn't get a chance to come look at these easels, please, I really recommend you do. My staff took some time thinking, how do we jog people's minds to get them to think and to get meaningful input from them besides just sitting here and listening to me and everyone. So these principles are, they set the standard, I believe, for how we're going to engage with the public. There are ten of them. I came up with a few and city staff helped come up with a few more and refine them. And I wanted to give a shout out to the government and public affairs department. I believe they're here tonight. Oh, thank you very much, Megan. So for all the wonderful ideas our council office may have and that you may have and that together we bring forward, it's really the city staff that's going to make it all work. They are stakeholders in this process, too. And that's why we need to hear from them as well when we develop these principles. So Megan, thank you very much for your work in helping us carry these out. I'll highlight a couple of them. One of the principles is that we be transparent, that we be open and clear by communicating the decision-making process to the public. So that's what we're doing today, right, by talking about the city manager hiring process. So I believe that if we adopt these, we will set a new bar for public engagement. And it's really going to be a commitment that you will have from city council that every time we do something with the public, you can hold us to these standards. So I'm really interested in hearing your reaction to what I just shared with you. I'm also interested in hearing what you think about these. And whatever that you put on these boards, my team and I will review it and it's going to help us as we go forward. These principles are just the first step. That's on January 17th. As you saw, there's a long list of things we want to accomplish. It's going to take probably a couple of years to do that. But it's important that we continually get your feedback as we do that. So we have time for a couple of questions before we go into the next item. So if we have any questions, I'll take them or comments. Okay. Mr. Greg comes back. Give me one second. We'll do this one right here. Our next city manager. Is she just going to be a resident here in the city of San Antonio? Yes, that's required in the job description. So if there are going to be, let's hold the city manager questions for the second part. Okay. Mr. Gonzaga. That's a fair comment. I think there were the processes that were done for the... Sorry, so in case you didn't hear, Mr. Gonzaga referred to two council votes that were taken last year and didn't feel that public input was heard. I would tell you that I believe we could have done a much better job of the public input process. And part of that would mean that we would have held more meetings and provided more information, but then also let the public know what did we hear. I think it's important for you to know how many letters did I get in support of tobacco 21 or how many letters did I get in support of paid sick leave. Because that gives you some background for why I voted the way I did. In fact, I would like to have the time to write why I voted which way each time. And if I have enough staff, maybe not enough of Charlie, we can consider doing that. But I agree with you, Mr. Gonzaga. I think those processes left something to be desired. So that's a really good point. So you're right, tobacco 20, sorry, would pay sick leave that one option that the council had was allowing that item because it came forward from petition. There were over 100,000 signatures that brought forward this proposal to pay sick leave. So the city council had the option of putting that on the ballot and letting the voters make that decision. And the council decided otherwise, but that was absolutely an option. Are there any other comments that Dr. Campion? To be involved in ensuring that some participation happened really early. Again, I don't know what one word would be, but I just want to put that out there. So I put, or we put, I didn't write the word myself, okay? Engage a broad range of stakeholders with particular emphasis on those who do not normally take part in city public participation processes. So make every effort to ensure that stakeholder groups do not feel left out of the process. I think this principle will capture that spirit in that. So I think we're writing down the suggestions and made by Newster also making note of it. I think that's... I was just saying, I think with the stakeholders we think about us. Oh, so maybe something a little more explicit in here. Youth, elderly. Thank you. Thank you very much for that suggestion. Mr. Sota. Well, to add that, neighborhood associations. Home rule begins at the neighborhood. To feel like your home rule begins at the neighborhood. It's like a big shadow, right? Take that away from future stakeholders. I think that's a good point. We probably want to strike a balance right between how explicit we want to be because I think we could list all the stakeholders as an addendum. But I respect your feedback, Mr. Sota. I think that's a good point. So we're getting close to 7.30 and I'm going to go ahead and transition to the next item, which I think many people are here to listen to. So because you probably get tired of hearing the same person talk at you for an hour and because we have other experts in-house, Ms. Liz Provencio, who's right over here, who's a District 7 resident and has been on the city attorney team for a number of years to help us with the next section. I'll say a few words about her. She's the first assistant city attorney and she's been with the city since 2016. Her day-to-day job is making sure the city operates within the law. She keeps us out of trouble. Thank you. Ms. Provencio. And that means she manages a wealth of knowledge of the city organization. She has very graciously agreed to talk with us tonight about the city manager's role and responsibility. She will speak to what is actually in the city charter regarding what the city manager is actually responsible for doing by law. And then after she wraps that up, I'll come. I'll say a few words and we'll start our dialogue. So thank you very much, Ms. Provencio. Thank you, Councilwoman, for that very gracious introduction. And good evening, everyone. Thank you for letting me be a small part of your meeting here tonight. And as the Councilwoman mentioned, I'm from the city attorney's legal department. And so we have almost 60 lawyers that work on behalf of you day in and day out to make sure that the 12,000 employees and the number of contracts and ordinances and other issues get addressed timely and appropriately day in and day out. But today specifically I'm here to address what our charter has set out for purposes of the role of city manager to give a backdrop to what is an appropriate expertise and candidacy for applicants for this position. And our citizens adopted a council manager form of government. So our charter has in Section 2 set out that we have a council manager form of government. So what that means in day-to-day practice is you all, as the citizens and stakeholders of the city, elect your representatives through the council like our councilwoman and then those representatives select a manager. And the manager is effectively the CEO, the chief executive officer for the city who administers the policy that is set by council. So council on a day in and day out basis is focused on the big picture policy objectives that are going to be going forward. And once they enact those into ordinances, it then becomes the job of the city manager to execute those on a daily basis and to ensure that those policy objectives are carried out. And so to get granular, what we mean by, you know, they enact local legislation, they adopt the budget, they set the tax rate, and they determine the policy and appoint the manager to execute that policy. So if you think about it as a parallel to a corporation, you all are the shareholders that elect the board of directors, and this is effectively our council who then, like a board of directors, appoints a CEO to carry that operation out day in and day out. And so with our city manager specifically, the charter reflects an enumeration of duties that that person is afforded, and so they're required to, of course, all laws and ordinances that are passed by the council. For us here in San Antonio, they supervise 12,000 employees. So your city government is comprised of 12,000 employees, which amounts to 40 different departments approximately. And so with that, the city manager exercises the administrative oversight of all of those departments to ensure that the things that need to be done on a day in and day out basis are effectively carried out. And that's everything from public safety with your fire and police departments that report to her to our capital improvements, to our government fares. So all of those departments fall within her lane to get things done day in and day out with a council setting the policy direction that effectively sets the goals for that day in and day out activity. So of course, as that chief administrator, the manager will advise council and give input on the topics that they are interested in. So the example that the council will walk through tonight is about public participation. And so her policy objective, obviously, is to strengthen that and hence that make that much more robust and meaningful. And so we're tasked as city staff then to help support that initiative, help generate the ideas, find those options to be able to provide to her so that she and her colleagues can then determine the course of policy that's going to govern effectively how we operate day in and day out. And so that's an example of how it comes to fruition. And just to give you some examples of how it effectively plays out in addition, so you know that we, in our budget process, we have, through council direction, have adopted the equity evaluation through budget priorities. Prior to that, it was all proportionate. In other words, all council districts receive the same amount of money out of the budget. And so by policy direction and councils vote and approval, effectively we now operate under an equity policy. So we look at what has been historically ignored over the years in San Antonio to determine how we then meet those needs, which may effectively mean that council budget money is not going to be the same amount in all council districts. If we have historically underserved areas, then of course those needs should rise to the top as part of the equity analysis that goes into the budget process. So similarly, council set direction on street maintenance being a priority and as a result, more budget dollars were allocated to that. And then under the course of this last year as well as affordable housing. And so with those policy initiatives being the direction that they have set for us, then it's incumbent upon us as staff then to make that happen on a day in and day out basis to make all of that come to fruition. And so I hope that gives a little bit of context for the type of expertise that's required for a manager who again must sort of oversee and ensure that there's experts in place for 40 different departments that ensure that the work gets done efficiently, promptly, and expertly on a day in and day out basis to serve your needs, to serve your priorities as enunciated by the policy set by your representatives and in this case, Councilman Son of I. And then we'll have a variety of questions that will come up that will share in responding to you. So I want to give you just a couple of my thoughts. I think I owe you about its constituents. I am going to be looking for in the city manager hiring process and all city staff is here. You have to leave the room right now. I'm just kidding. Can you all hear me okay because nobody left? Number one, I think the individual who comes forward, except for this guy in the front row who I've never met before, thank you for laughing so well and so heartily at everything I'm trying to be funny with. So thank you. Who are you? Kids. I'm new in town. Welcome back. Welcome back. Yes. Okay. All right. We'll talk about you later after 8 o'clock. Okay. So this is what I'll be looking for in this individual. I think there are going to be three key constituencies that this person has to work with. And one is the community. And by community, I mean you, the residents of San Antonio, whether you just came back from Silicon Valley, whether you grew up here, you lived your whole life. The community. I believe they have to work with the council, right? Because the council is ultimately going to be the boss of this individual, the managing body of them. And I believe they have to work well with the staff as well, right? They have to be able to be an effective boss. So what I'm looking for is the skill set that indicates you can do those three. They will be able to do those three things. How am I going to look for that? The first thing that I'm going to look for is absolutely technical competencies. The city's an organization like this prevents you described with over 12,000 employees. The budget is over $2 billion. This isn't the minor leagues. We are the seventh largest city in America. And whoever comes forward has got to be able to have the technical abilities to manage an organization that big. And to manage it definitely, you know, with expertise, not struggling with some of the basic things like making sure we continue having, you know, garbage service. So that's what I'll be looking for on the one hand. Now we may be the policy body on council, but we can't scrutinize every single little thing, right? With 12,000 employees over 40 departments, we can't. So I also want to really know where do the passions of this person lie? Where do their convictions lie when it comes to being a public servant? Because I believe that if I have a certain policy direction and if you're more or less aligned with me, you might do a better job implementing it because it's something that you would want to see implemented. Now, Granny, whoever gets hired, or even Miss Scully today, right, she may not agree or I may not agree 100% with her ideas and she may not agree 100% with mine, but she knows that it is her job to implement them and she will take direction from the council to do it. But I still want to know where that person lies, right, on that. So in particular, the issues that are going to be of importance to me are transparency and public participation. Where does this person lie? On that, what ideas will they bring forward in terms of making government more accessible? Customer service. What ideas will they bring forward in terms of improving customer service? And dealing with some of the biggest challenges that San Antonio has today. I also want to know what they think are the biggest challenges. Maybe they can identify something I haven't, but for instance, I think some of our generational poverty is one of the biggest issues that we have today. What role is there for the city to play in that? What tools can they bring to the table to help us address that? The rising cost of housing and property taxes, the burden that we experience. What ideas can they bring to the table with respect to that? These are a couple of the things I'm looking for, but I also want to know what's important to you in the management of the city. If you took the time to come to this meeting and to give us your input, you may have a couple of ideas. I would like to keep the discussion focused on the management of the city, because ultimately this is what the city manager does. She or he, right? We don't know. She or he will also be in the public. I expect them to be out there to be listening. I expect them to be out there to be explaining processes. I don't expect them to be giving policy direction out there, but I also want to know how they're going to engage with the community. How will they do in this setting? How will they do with possibly adversarial organizations? The city's been sued not just by people who trip and fall in our parking lots, but also by organizations, by community-based organizations. I would like to see us have a better relationship with those groups. That's why for me, it will be important to see the candidate or final candidates interact with some community organizations and in the public. How many of you have had to take a test when you had a job interview? Anybody here? The rest of you had it easy. Or you made your own job because you're your own boss. It's the same thing. I want to see how that person performs carrying out some of the duties that they will have to carry out as city manager. That's why I think it's important to see how that person performs in public, in a community setting because that's going to inform my decision. It's kind of all over the place, but those are my... I did that out of nowhere. Those are some of my thoughts on the selection process that I will be going through with my colleagues. Again, I'm not the only person making this decision. There will be nine other council members, and of course some may are making this decision. The timeline for the hiring process is in a handout. Starting tomorrow, the council will sit down in a special meeting and review the resumes. We'll decide who comes back for an interview. Those interviews will take place starting the week of January 11th. I anticipate we're going to have... This schedule says we're going to have a couple of rounds of interviews. And the idea, the goal is to make our decision by the end of the month. I think that would be great. I would not like to see a long disruption in services, so I think it's important to move deliberately. But I also think it's important to stop and listen. That's one of the things that we do with public participation. It's not free, it takes time, it takes money, but I absolutely believe it's worth it in this case. So those are really... That's really all I have to say. I think at this point, Biakta will come up and take notes up here, and we're here to listen to your comments. And if you have any questions on the mechanics of this process, Liz and I are here to respond to those. So, thank you. Well, thanks for coming, guys. There's a lot of cookies left. Dr. Rodriguez. Stress. These are very good principles. But one of the important ones that is left out is having government be honest and ethical and to hold government accountable. That, to me, is so important. That's why I serve on the Mayor's Charter Review Board on Ethics Reform. And looking for a city manager, that to me is critical that she really understands the importance of ethics in government. And otherwise, there will be no trust in government. Thank you very much, Dr. Rodriguez. Hi. I just have a question on District 2. Will they be participating in all the interviews coming up and all of that? So, very good question. That was probably the second most important decision. One of the most important decisions of this council to date. So the question was, will District 2, the new appointee representing District 2 of San Antonio, be participating in this decision? Yes, they will be. Today, we appointed a new person, but they did not start working today. They will start working 10 days from today. So they will come in after the finalists for interviews have been selected. But they will still be part of the interview process. So if you look at the timeline, they come in just in time for the interviews, but they won't be able to say interview this person. Does that make sense? It's a little odd. Yes. Oh, that's a great question. I did, and I was incorrect. I apologize. The interviews will be held January 16th. Is that a Monday? Yes. So the District 2 representative will vote on this. They will come in 10 days from today. Some of the interviews will have already taken place at that time. Not to hold off until start the process so that they can be part of it completely? I think it's unfortunate. I mean, that's a whole district. And I wouldn't want that to be on my district, that my representative wasn't part of it until the vote. I mean, it's sort of after the fact. I think that's a really, really good question. It would take the majority of the council to change the timeline. The timeline the council came to an agreement on it, came to consensus on it in late November and early December. So let me tell you what I think can happen. One way that we can make sure District 2 is part of the process. We do know that the representative will vote on the final selection. The District 2 council person has access to every single council person who is there. This happened to me. I was elected on May 6. I did not take office until June 1. And there were some decisions that were making, that were being made between May 6 and June 1 that were going to affect District 7 in the future. So I was able to speak to the council members and tell them what my preference was. And they weighed that in when they took the vote. It is informal, right? It does not go on the record, but it does allow for input from the District 2 representative. So they will have access. Councilman Art Hall will have access to all the applications and will be able to review them and will be able to be present in all the public meetings, right? This won't sit at the dais, but he will be present and hear the dialogue. And he can give us his comments. He just will not... This is actually a better question for the attorney. Grace, does that answer the question? Was it prior to Cruz giving his resignation? It was. Councilman Shawnee, who is noise to the sign. I think the last council meeting would be here, right? I don't know. Yeah, exactly. My just last comment is I would hope that you all would consider the fact that they should sit at what's 10 days when it's such a big decision for us in terms of a city manager. And I feel that those people should have the right to be at the table. Thank you very much. Thank you. I just had a question where we talked about proposition B and it talked about a supermajority. And we'll put that to you regardless of the makeup of the city. I don't know if there's one opportunity. Okay. It would be nine. It will be nine. So we'll have D2 in place, so we'll have the full council that will be participating. Not just the simple majority. Okay. Mr. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just a comment. I'll take the selection of the city manager would have better served to the city citizens of San Antonio. If it would have happened after the main election for city council, then we start fresh with all those new councils because it's going to start now. Some might be gone. And then we, after the election, everybody brand new, brand new board and everything. I think there would have been a better timeframe then. And to serve what Grace mentioned would have probably been better off to get representation from district two. So that's my opinion on the selection process at the time. Thank you very much for that comment. Thank you very much. Okay. Yes, people in the back. Can you please tell us your name? Yes. And what is the constitution of the city in regards to the manager hiring her own spouse to be he or she? There should be a limit to not just Europe but a lot of people. So when you were running, you did not want to vote because you were angry because of the employment of the town. Yes. I'm only saying that people have a voice to get and they may be used to fighting and how programs are harder to say something about it. That's a very good point. I'm going to go ahead. And I'm unaware of any employment by the manager's husband. I understand he worked for the county, which is separate from the city, but he worked for the county, not for the city? Yes, Mr. Stulley worked for the county, not for the city, but to your point, we do have very stringent ethical rules that prohibit anybody with family to be able to benefit from contracts with the city and we have a prohibition on family working for each other. Spouses within the same chain of command. So we have very stringent ethical rules that govern to ensure that those considerations aren't a risk. Which is why public information is a very important part of the whole spectrum of public participation, right? The guy from Silicon Valley is laughing. Exactly. Just being able to communicate critical information goes a big way in building public trust. So, thank you. Yes, thank you. Well, the person there had already said, mentioned it, that are you going to try and hire somebody locally? Because this was brought up from outside. An outsider, she brought in the outsider police chief and I understand that her husband's position was made up just for him and he was at a starting salary of over 90,000 or 100,000 at the time. They never had mentioned anything about him. But chief brought him up and they had to make a new position for him. Okay, so being a position at the county perhaps, I don't know the history of how that position came to be. So the question is, are we going to consider hiring someone who lives already in San Antonio or is from San Antonio or what if they left and came back? I don't know, is that a consideration too? Versus someone who is from outside of San Antonio. The job was open to both. We had 31 applicants, 12 of them met the minimum qualifications. Six of those individuals work in the city of San Antonio right now. Six of them do not. The city of San Antonio right now and I may need staff to back me up on this, but if the six who do not work in the city of San Antonio right now are all of them from another city? We have one who, if not two, who worked for the city at one time. I think of the 12, it's only one. But he's in Dallas now, I believe, or Arlington. So you're asking if that's something I'm going to be looking for as a requisite. I think it would be ideal if we could give the job to somebody who's already a member of our community because it's one of the best jobs in San Antonio, right? And I would want to see someone from San Antonio succeed and have the opportunity to have that job. That said, I'm not going to sacrifice the quality of services that you're going to get just for that. Now, granted, I actually have seen the applications and I think they are all tremendous applicants and that they could all do a very good job. But I think you're also speaking to is this person going to break the values that we have, right? Is this person really going to understand how to work with our community? And I think that's very important as well. And I will be looking for someone who can do that. I think there's another question in the back. Question about the city manager. Is there a mechanism in place so that, say, 18 months from now, he or she isn't... something's going to heat. Is there a mechanism in place for that person to be replaced? What does that look like? Does the citizen have a voice in that? Who's responsible for that? Is it council? Is it a special committee? Who evaluates them, et cetera? Right. So they will be... He or she will be evaluated by the council. They do report to us. It will depend on how we draft that contract. It will depend on, yes. That's a great question. So just in case you guys didn't hear the question, is, hey, things aren't going so great, and we want to kind of... what mechanism is there for doing that? Yes. Any kind of opinion on valuations so that person is the best employee that they're able to be, everything's focused on it, et cetera? You know, I think you're bringing up a really great point. I've been so focused on making sure that we get the right person for the job that I have not started to think about. And so I'm glad you bring this up. What are those terms of employment going to look like? Because let me tell you, Miss Scully has one contract. I don't want to emulate that same contract. It doesn't give the city... I would make sure that your council has the authority to do what they need to do. So we will... Applaud! We will make sure... I will work to put some provisions like that in that contract. Thank you. But again, I don't want to say, oh, we can fire you after two months. We want to make sure they're going to stick around for a little while and give them some security so that they can do the job. So there's going to be a balance there. But absolutely the council has to be able to evaluate that person and make sure they're doing a good job and have some recourse if they don't feel that they're doing a good job. So you're just going to get the finalists and hey, they're the CEO or the... I would be willing to share as much as is possible with privacy mod. So if the attorney could speak to that. I understand all of the candidates' names right now are posted on the website where they came from and I think there's one other piece of information. The city and their name. Correct. And so I understand we do have record requests and information for that that I understand it's just a matter of making that timeline and understand what it's all going to be released. So Ms. Primentier, when do you think we'll have an answer on when that could be released? I would suspect it's part of tomorrow's discussion and part of what can be determined at that point with the process starting tomorrow. And it's a matter of ensuring that everything's redacted that needs to be redacted and so that it's appropriate. So again, whatever I'm able to share if they tell me it's okay to share this I'm happy to give you a call. Share it with you and if they tell me don't do it by email because then blah blah blah or whatever. I will follow what is ethical and appropriate but I'm happy to share as much as is comfortable. Oh gosh, we're running out of time and let me just see if there's any more because I know I took a question from you. Is there anyone who has not asked a question who has a question and if not I'm happy to go to Dr. Rodriguez. I have a comment. Oh yes, I would like to. Who is also an appointee to the early education board. Thank you very much. Thank you. In terms of evaluation I think that's critical but we also need the feedback once that evaluation occurs. So that would just be another step in the process. Thank you very much for that comment. Oh, I'm a board member for transparency. Okay, I will take the last question just because I promised my staff that we would wrap up it. Where is it? Hey, good to see you, how are you? Real quick. It seems like I learned something here that the salary now is up to 312,000 almost getting into the reasonable range. I'm curious because during all the proposition the proposition B timeframe it was like maybe 200,000 or is there about was that just propaganda and maybe that right information? So the proposition B are you talking about the language that was actually on the proposition? I'm really wondering I'm thinking the more likely answer is that the lowest paid person got to be raised. So now the time span is going to be a higher amount. It's just different from the proposition B. The language of the proposition read 10 times, right? The lowest employee. Who's in the 200s? You know, Liz, do you know how that was determined? I don't know what people were saying as part of this. Whenever we were asked the information would be showed was that as of January 1 with the, because there's they passed a call increase for employees and so it was always calculated whenever we got asked the question based on the lowest paid employee as of January 1. So that has had, with that calculation it's what we always use. Right, rumors are bound sometimes, right? Well, I want to thank everybody for your time, for your very thoughtful questions and very helpful input in this process. I definitely have stuff to take back and share with my colleagues. If you could not live in District 7 I encourage you to reach out to the council member. Let them know what your input is as well. So, thank you very much. We'll see you in a minute.