 Live from London, England, it's theCUBE, covering Dotnext Conference Europe 2018. Brought to you by Nutanix. Welcome back to theCUBE, here from London. Our presentation of Nutanix Next 2018 in Europa. Next to me is Franz Koppens. You are managing ICT at Driessen. I'm very curious about Driessen, a customer of Nutanix. I understand that you make software for HRM. Tell us about Driessen. How does it work? Driessen is a family company. We are a business service company for the public sector in the Netherlands. The Driessen Group is a group of companies that make work possible. We offer that through a number of different services. You have to think about the connection between people and work. So an outstanding function. We also develop software and services to make processes easier for other companies. It sounds like you are on the cutting edge. You are a developer, you help people with their work. On the other hand, you do something with software. With the delivery of your services as a software product. How is that possible? Yes, that's correct. We deliver services to make processes easier for other companies. We think about the low administration, but also other processes. We use digital services for that. We develop them ourselves. You have to think of, for example, our package as a profit. Profit is too short in a number of functionalities, but where customers like to make use of it, we can help those customers to offer that extra functionality to improve processes. That also sounds like you are a software developer. Yes, that's correct. Do you do that on-premises, in the cloud? Where do developers work? We do that with a club of about 25 software developers who have their own services. They are talking about a number of different companies we have. We develop the software that is partly on-prem and partly in the cloud. I understand that you have been doing that for a year or two, together with Nutenix as a base for your infrastructure. Can you explain how that works? What services, what products do you use? What advantages do you have? We started last year. We were looking at modernizing our data center. That was the instruction. Then we oriented ourselves. We had all sorts of interests in Nutenix. We went deeper into that. Eventually, we made the choice to choose Nutenix to replace the entire data center we had in Donutenix. We had a lot of it, but we also chose AHV as the hypervisor layer. We came from VMware and actually migrated it all. The implementation itself went very fast. The implementation of Nutenix was a piece of cake. Then we started to migrate our VMs one by one to the platform. This year, we did that. At the moment, our entire data center is actually running on Nutenix. What were the problems you hoped to solve? You have to think about scaleability. We liked that we could start with Nutenix really small but if necessary, we could scale it up easily. Performance was an issue in the old environment. I think the biggest challenge we had was to make it simple. We had built a complex landscape in the course of years. That was the most important reason why we chose Nutenix. Simplifying the entire landscape. It was easy to control. It was also difficult because we had a mixed environment. Nutenix is a great manager. I can imagine that your role changed. At first, I was focused on infrastructure. It was difficult, it had a lot of friction. How has your role changed in the past? That's right. In the first place, you are very focused on the operation to keep up with the air. All kinds of things you want to keep up with. I don't think you want to keep up with that anymore. We see that now. We see that we can manage people with fewer people and in a very simple way. That means you get more free time. You try to stop that time together with the business. How can we improve our services? How can we further improve our services? That is against less or equal costs and less effort. To use the code, you need digital transformation. That is also an issue for you. You also want to move more towards the customer. How do you do that as an IT department? How do you sign up for the business with the three of you? The customer questions are often asked in the business to the software developers. What is very important to us is time-to-market. The development is very fast. We work based on orders. In order of order, we often use all kinds of items that we have to meet. So time-to-market is very important. That is why we are with Nutenix in the States to deploy much faster in order to offer new features towards our software development. You say software developers can sit closer to the business who need less time to put the groundwork as it were. What I am curious about is that we are up to next. We have seen the keynotes. A lot of announcements. Nutenix has once started as infrastructure and modernization of what you have in your data center. In the meantime, there are 15 products. It has grown much bigger. When you look around, a number of people have grown. 95-100 people. I am a little curious. How do you look at that? You have been walking around for a few days. You have seen the keynotes. You see the print. What is your impression of the development? I must say it is super cool. Last year I have not been there. That was a very good conference. That was also the reason I thought I will definitely come back this year. It was really cool to see at the first keynote how much bigger it has become. The whole event. But also the success of Nutenix. Last year I spoke to a few of my peers who were still doubting whether they would step over Nutenix. I will tell you what our experiences were. I can definitely recommend it. Also the use of the AHV as a hypervisor. In the meantime, you just notice it has become so much more mature. So much has been added. I was really under the impression that the last two days I have seen new products and also the maturity and the one fault of those products. Really super cool to see. What has been very good for me what I was really impressed with was my name Frame. Frame is really super cool. That is also something we are looking at at the moment to use it. Besides that, BIM is something that speaks to us. I have to say honestly, we now have all the segment data centers on-prem. So they have also changed my DR environment. Because when we were the decision maker there was no BIM. If I would have to choose again then I would absolutely choose to solve my DR with BIM. Also there we have the one fault with which you can manage it. That is really cool to see. We will certainly continue that kind of development in the future and I know for sure that we will go into the future with products such as a BIM and a Frame for example. Yes, because you see they have made the announcement of the core product the core product to Essentials. That is a bit the uplift. Those are the next small steps that you can take. And then you get Enterprise. There are now the real new products the Saas products, the CyCloud. And what I am very curious about is I also know Nutanix from that perspective infrastructure and I have seen them grow. And looking at all the announcements that have been made all the products that they have done. What are they really for you? What was it for you? Did you agree? You said yes, I am going to do this. If I am at home after the weekend I am going to hit me here. I want to know more about this. What is the end product that you then say I really want to hit me there. I think if I would have to choose then I would say I will certainly go to the hit to see how we can put that in order to our employees to see more of a workplace when they work remotely or that sort of thing. This is also one of the problems that you want to solve by Nutanix, right? We have seen it traditionally Nutanix did a lot of VDI he still does a lot of VDI Is that also something that you are going to do as a driver? Yes, in that case for a part of our employees I certainly see a opportunity to use it as a replacement of the VDI environment. Yes, absolutely. Exactly. And then it was really and I did not know that they were working on it but I understand that Nutanix is now able to build their own farm. Yes. Yes, I am also very curious what that is going to bring. Certainly if that is integrated seamlessly with your non-farm environment I actually think that the strength at the moment of Nutanix that you can switch very easily between your own non-farm environment or a farm environment if there is also a Nutanix variant in the farm that is completely cool. Exactly. And the last question is you have of course developers in service in the keynote we have also seen all kinds of announcements around cloud-native such as the beauty Hades, Carbon databases out of the cloud with era with buckets S3 storage are that also things where you think hey, my developers are also going to switch? Yes, my developers are already at the door they want to fight with containers and that is the thing so that is also very good to hear that even there Nutanix is only and how it is integrated within Nutanix so yes my software developers will be very happy with that. Well, great Well, congratulations it really sounds like a great story a very beautiful story about how you use Nutanix I wish you good luck with the next steps Thank you who will be unwavering to come and that was it for now thank you for watching to the Cube together with France here in London and see you next time