 Assalam-o-Alaikum. Assalam-o-Alaikum. What should be an Action Pact Explosive Episode of 420 Grams coming to you live from the Newsclick studios in New Delhi, I am Siddharth Ani and on the show with me today are two young men, Jayadip Basu and Arjun Pandit who we've all been very closely following developments at the All India Football Federation since the Supreme Court decided to appoint a committee of administrators to manage day to day affairs, get the house in order, set up a new constitution and ensure that free and fair elections take place as soon as possible. Remember, the mandate of the Prabhupade led body that was running the All India Football Federation expired back in 2020. The body was continuing on an ad hoc basis because of the pandemic and because of other reasons, essentially the reasons being unwillingness to conduct new elections and of course some doubts about the constitution. Jairi Basu has been writing extensively on the subject and we've been talking about it on 420 grams for the past couple of years, if not more, including the problems with the existing constitution, the master rights agreements and all kinds of other issues related to the governance and management of Indian football. As things stand right now, FIFA AFC joint delegation was in India, seven member committee, if I'm not wrong, delegation, sorry. They've had a series of discussions with all the stakeholders in Indian football, including those who are currently governing or currently looking after the sport, the state associations, the committee of administrators, as well as a group of advisors that was initially appointed to help the committee run day-to-day affairs in various departments, whether it's media and communications, player issues, competitions, other such things. What we have today is a conclusion of that delegation's visit to the country, a clear statement from them that deadlines have been set and India must follow those deadlines if they are to avoid a FIFA ban and to continue in FIFA competitions. Coming to you first, Jairita, news-wise, what are the main points that we need to update our viewers on today? I think our viewers know more than us already, so we don't need to, I wouldn't dare to update them on anything. By the way, sir, by the way, on Twitter, one account is being made on Diwali, and that is Jairi Basu. So basically, the AFF must hold its election by September 15. I think September 15, they have given an advanced deadline, even if it goes to September 30, they won't mind. But what they have said, which is most important, but that by July 31st, the constitution must be ready in place. In place meaning accepted by everyone? No. FIFA's thing is that if it is being cleared by Supreme Court, they are not bothered about it. We are bothered about it because our apex court is our apex court. But FIFA is not bothered. FIFA is bothered about this constitution has to be cleared by the general body of the AFF. So all 34, 36, whatever the number of associations, they have to come together and approve this constitution. That has to be there. And before that, they have told them that once you finalize the constitution, please send us a copy. We'll have a look at it. Not that they're trying to find far fault with it, but they will see whether it is in place with the FIFA statute and everything. So now the immediate task and perhaps the toughest task would be to finalize the constitution by 31st of July. So in that sort of process of finalizing the constitution, what are, according to you, we've all been over the draft constitution now and identified different areas where these kind of issues might come up in conversations that you're having with relevant parties, stakeholders, state associations, etc. What are the kind of issues that are coming up in terms of what might be sticking points, basically? See, if you go by what the seven-member committee and the state association, seven-member committee of the state associations in which Delhi, IFA, I think Telangana, Punjab, Kanadaka, Arunachal, and a couple of other seven members are there. I don't remember everybody's name, seven members are there. And what they have discussed with the COA before FIFA team coming, or what they have discussed with FIFA on the draft constitution, they have, at least there are 44 objections on it. Four objections on it. But it sounds very large, but it is not that. Out of that 44, you can always say that 35, 36 will be settled. Easily settled. Easily settled because they are small, small But there are seven, eight issues which can be of some problem, which they are still talking. The thing is that, see, if you look at it the way, what Supreme Court said in its order, even in 2017, when Supreme Court ordered the two-member committee of Dr. Kureshi and Mr. Ganguly, Bhaskar Ganguly, that form a constitution, draft a constitution, they said that all the points which are missing from the, what we call it, sports court, national sports court, that should be included. But so the members' associations have said, we are okay with all sports court. We are accepting all sports court in Ditto. Just put it, not a problem. An entire FIFA statue in Ditto. Whatever FIFA statue is, we will go by them. These two, there is no problem. But the two-member committee of Kureshi and Mr. Ganguly, both of them have drafted a constitution, they have put several other points, which could be of some problem. Like sports court says, sports court says, one by one I can say, sports court says, one point I am saying, that's trying, that's getting quite hot, that one subject, one point, that a principal office bearer, according to sports court, a principal office bearer, that is, office bearers are three, principal office bearers are three, president, secretary, and the treasurer. In all India Football Federation's case, principal office bearers are two, because treasurer and president, secretary is appointed, secretary is a salaried person, he is an employee of the Federation. So, these two principal office bearers, they cannot continue beyond 12 years at a stretch and 70 years of age, whichever comes first. It's an age and tenure restriction they have. But now, rest are okay. But now, this is according to sports court. But the two member committee, in the draft constitution, they have said that vice presidents and the executive members, all of them should be considered as principal office bearers, as office bearers. In that case, that age and tenure rule will apply with them, which is creating a lot of problem. Especially in the state associations. In the AFF, if you look at the asked while committee, which was just been dismissed by the Supreme Court, if you look at it, there are, I can say, at least seven to 10 members who will not be able to stand for election again. But I kind of agree with their decision. But when I say, because it comes from state association also, because that's where these members are coming from. No, but I kind of agree with the fact that they are saying that this is going to be a sticking point, because every 12 years, if you tell the whole federation that the whole thing will change, there's something wrong with that, sir. Because if you are only the leader of the upper class, you are doing their elections, you're doing that, it's fine. But the other guys should have a long tenure if they're doing well. But it's a long time and these are only elected office bearers. They are not employees of the AFF, not people who are running the departments, like technical staff, media staff, all of that. Members are saying vice presidents and executive committee members, see, there are at least one vice president. I don't want to name him who is there for 18 years as the vice president. Members are saying because he's there for 18 years, because he's not a principal of his bearers. See, members point is when sports code is not putting it, why are you putting extra pressure on us? There is one more, which is of course part of the sports code, so members are now can't do anything. That is the restrictive clause. AFF constitution set, previous constitution set, anybody who wants to fight and contest an election for a post or principal office bearer in all India football federation will have to be a member of the executive committee of the national federation or a state body for at least four years. That's a restrictive clause. You cannot, because you are not in a state association also. But the draft constitution has removed it. Anybody can contest. AFF members are saying that then anybody will walk in, because it will also, people who have with money and power can always come in. So that is there. But the thing is that their arguments have become weak, because it's part of the sports code. What is the reasoning for these extra clauses that they've put in, sir? Have they given a reasoning? What is the transparency? Is that the main jada, to maintain transparency, everyone is up for sale at the end of that 12 year tenure? I asked Dr. Kureshi, because of course I did not put it on his court. So he said that since the Supreme Court has told us to draft a constitution, that means they have asked us to break our head on it and find out something new and give it, which can better the constitution. According to Mr. Kureshi, Mr. Kureshi told me clearly that if Supreme Court's only intention was to put this sports code in it and leave it, then they wouldn't have called a man like me. They would have called anybody. Anybody in the office could have put those sports code and dismiss the constitution adding on it. They have given us to improve upon it, so we have improved upon it. It is for now for the members. So I told Dr. Kureshi, sir, it is going to be very difficult to pass this constitution. And by 31st July, which is the deadline. So Dr. Kureshi, I remember what he said. He says when the situation comes, we'll face it. Something like that. Someone will have to bend. Someone will have to bend. See, on several points, if you look at it, Justice Nave or Dr. Kureshi, or even Bhaskarda for that matter, it's not that they want to push something. They are open to all suggestions. But there will be at some point where they might get struck. So this is giving me a lot of whether the election, this constitution can be finished off by 31st July and also don't forget the fact that it is not this case when it will go to Supreme Court. There are two petitioners in it. One is Rahul Mehra, who is the main petitioner. Another is Ranjit Bajaj for Delhi Football Club, who is also another petitioner. If they object, then what will happen? So have they been involved in the conversation so far? Either of these parties, Ranjit Bajaj or Rahul Mehra? See, Ranjit is sitting in the meeting daily. Rahul will also come someday. So far, I didn't see Advocate Mehra coming anywhere in the football house. But he might come into it. He has every right to, because he is the main petitioner of this case. So the matter is a little sticky. 31st July, it felt a little sticky. It has gone, it has gone to your stopwatch. Now suppose, I am saying, suppose you don't reach there according to the time. What is your option then? Can you say to FIFA that you should give a little more time? Or they will say, no, take this ban. And if there is a ban, then how many months of ban? Because you have under 17 women's world cup in October. Yes, Arjun, you are right. Anybody who gets, even I get late, I will write that time is a little late. Whether FIFA will grant it or not, that's a way. And see FIFA has to, I believe, I was not a party to it, so I was not present. So what I have got from the members, those who attended the meeting from various sources which I gathered. FIFA has told them, see, let us tell you one thing very clearly. The ban later is ready. All it's needs a signature. They have told. All it's needs a signature. So it will be sent to... The card is hidden. And they said we have two, three problems in it. The biggest problem is, there are several, like Pakistan is banned, Kenya is banned. And they are all watching. If you are doing it, why are you doing it? If we do any extra treatment to give to you, then everybody will ask. Why are special treatment is being given to India? So we cannot do it. But since after coming here, we found that the members are united and there is a problem. You are willing to solve the problem. So I am giving, we are giving you some time. And please don't think that under 17 women's world cup could be an excuse. That since we are hosting the under 17 women's world cup will be played in India, we won't be able to ban you. So you are saying if say by 15 September. They said that at least two venues are ready. Within 30 days you will change. It says our two venues are ready. Not a problem. And it's not a 32 team tournament. It's a 16 team tournament. So 4 or 2 is needed. Ground is needed. We will do it. They will never allow to host this tournament under COA. Or for that matter, a third party interference. That they will never allow. So basically, yeah. So unless it's all done and dusted by the time that tournament kicks off, likely to be a ban. And as far as I think wider things are concerned, to rearrange an under 17 women's world cup, which they've already done before, compared to losing out on their primacy of decision making and all of these other issues that you are talking about with other countries getting involved in it. FIFA will obviously pick with side we know. See, the biggest problem of this, everybody, at least I wanted to happen by 31st July, for simple reason. If AFA gets banned, I won't be the saddest person on earth. As much I can tell you. Probably the people get the government to deserve. So they must be getting that. And if under 17 world cup is taken away from India, okay, we have seen Asian women's world, how India were helped, nothing. It's a few AFA officials who stood on the stage and were gullanded and given. Biggest loser will be India's under 17 players. Players, because India is a host country, they are playing. If they don't play, the girls are now, I think, camping in Pune. They are starting the camp in Pune. So that would be a shocking mother, huge blow. I think it's because of the pandemic, one entire batch of girls has not... Despite the fact that selection of these girls is in question, very much in question, how these girls were picked up nobody knows. There are at least questions about it. You are going back to a system where you don't get to play. Yeah, so that would be it. For those looking at those 25 young girls, kids, they should do it as fast as possible. That's the thing. What about the one... One last thing, sir, on the ban only. If the ban was imposed, what would be the duration? As long as I don't do it, I think everyone will come running and do it for 3 months. So you think it will take 3 months? We hope that it's only a 3 months ban. If the ban is imposed, then what will be the ban? I think the national team will not be able to play anywhere. For those 3 months. And our officials will not be able to go anywhere. Our referees will be banned from supervising. Like it happens in boxing and all, the judges are also banned. When the boxing federation was banned, even the judges and referees were banned. So perhaps a ban at some point would not have been the worst thing to happen. But at this stage, if there is the willingness to perhaps resolve these issues, then maybe a ban can also be avoided perhaps. See, everybody we are talking to, you have also talked to a lot of people. I have also talked to a lot of people. The referees will now be a little scared, they will have to do something. This is the feeling of everyone. So right now, everybody is good faith trying to do something. But finalising of constitution is going to be... Once that is finalised, then this 15th September is not a problem. Or is that a problem then? If you finalise within time, then it's done. So basically the date everyone needs to be looking out for is 31st July. Yes, 7th of July or 8th of July, I think they are going to submit the constitution to Supreme Court. And then the Supreme Court, if Supreme Court takes the stock of the situation, wanted to early give a date on 21st or 22nd or whatever, and if all parties agree, then it is okay. But if one party doesn't agree... Which is normal. Which is normal. That is the thing. What will happen? Two petitions are there. If one of the petitions is not happy. So basically a lot of people need to come together on the same plate. And from one plate, everyone has to eat together. And constitution has some points where, which is allowed, then some of the people will not be able to contest. And those will be affected, they will not go down easily. They will try to scuttle. And I have a, I can say very openly, that I suspect a lot of people in the federation, who were instrumental in running the erstwhile committee, will like India to get banned. I am sorry to say, but I am just saying it very openly. See, this is done. We were saving him. We were saying this. And I thought FIFA also could have been a little more proactive. They are also asking questions. That it is not an hour on the temple. A lot has happened. The temple is broken. Whatever has happened. God save us. But this bell was ringing for a long time. So one notion is that FIFA has come a little late. Or you could have come earlier. But what is the process? Because if I want FIFA to come into my country and say what are you doing? I am banning you. Is there a certain thing only which happens, post which they say we come there? Of course, of course. That is there. Some people, I think one of the members also asked in a meeting also. He very politely said we are very disappointed by the way FIFA has conducted. So much problem was going on. FIFA never said anything. FIFA said one of the members should have stood up and written to us. So I think you don't send a formal complaint or letter. But the thing is that here you can say that whatever the problem for the 15 months, the elections were not held. And the man responsible for keeping the elections on hold is a FIFA council member. We have no proof at this moment. Till date, do you have any proof where the FIFA even politely told that council member don't flout rules being the member of the highest governing body in the world? Did they say? Nobody has said them. See, now you are saying it's a third party interference. Arjun, in 2017 when High Court dismissed Prof. Patel and his committee, and the next day that order was state, he was restored as the president by the Supreme Court. By the order of the Supreme Court, he was restored as the president. It was not a third party interference. When he was removed, it becomes a third party interference. Which one is right in that case? And in the end, when FIFA was written to also, it was written to by the same people. But that was... Till date, a lot has happened. Yes, when we came to know that this is going to happen, that we are going to be removed finally, and this committee of administrators is going to come to take control of day-to-day operations and set up a new constitution, etc. We still remember that this can be banned by FIFA. But the two petitions that took place, one is Rahul Mehra's petition, he is an advocate. Two other petitions is Kallanchobe, Kallanchobe is a former player. The next petition is the Lee Football Club, which is owned by Ranjit Bajas, the Lee Football Club. FIFA was a war of it, and according to FIFA law, it's a grave offense to go to the court of law. You have to come to FIFA for whatever. Well, that is essentially its definition of third party interference. I know both Kallan and Ranjit very well. I have spoken to them at length on this subject. Nobody has ever told me that FIFA even gave them an informal call saying that why are you going to the court? Come to our dispute chamber and we'll do something. Nobody told them? Everybody was keeping quiet? Why they are keeping quiet? You will only come when the problem starts and problem gets bigger. Is it the role of the world body in that way? That's very disappointing, isn't it? Yes, it is. And essentially both the AFC as well must be considered because the president of the AFF was also a senior vice president at the AFC. Yes, he must be something. His every was something. It's not just the world body but also the Asian body very much aware of what is going on. People have written to journalists such as us who have written to the AFC saying, have you taken any so-moto cognizance of what is happening in India? And from there the reply is as you were saying that the cards are already printed. So all these cards are already printed. They are all templatized. So in a big language you just have to change the name and date and if someone changes the signature then the signature changes. AFC has the same level of involvement even though AFC is pushing so hard we've been talking about it since the 2015 Asian Cup how the tournament format has been expanded so that teams such as India will always qualify for the AFC Asian Cup. In the last few days, last few shows we've all been talking about our qualification process but essentially extending the tournament format to 24 teams is to help countries like India be on that continental stage at all times. Whenever some tournament has to be held particularly an age group tournament India is now volunteering, spending public money on hosting these tournaments. So in that sense none of these guys can claim that what is happening in India they are unaware of. It's just a question of not getting involved because members of the club are the ones who are doing it I guess. Sir, I would like to move forward because we've spoken about repercussions on the under 17 women's World Cup and the team, repercussions on the senior team not too much if you're saying it's a three month ban if it is you've secured your qualification but in the middle of that you have to contract if a negotiation is happening with your head coach in September and also I think up to June there are only two FIFA window is available whether we can play four matches I don't know whether this even if it is a three month ban we are talking about we don't know how much it will be even if that FIFA window falls into that ban period then we are gone we can't play. But then how does the coach negotiation, when? I think in the next two three days COA is as far as I know what I was I have been told by a lot of people that the committee of administrators as well as the acting general secretary Mr. Sunandadhar will be sitting with the coach in the next week or immediately, maybe from Monday onwards they are talking, they are already talking but formally they will sit and finalize whatever it is. Final decision, Mohar, COA will be made by Mr. Dhar and the committee basically. When I spoke to Dr. Kureshi, Dr. Kureshi told me that there are so many experts in this country even Bhaskar our member is a former India captain and if they want I can talk to the previous technical committee also informally they can all tell us what to do because I don't know anything about it if they tell to do this we will do but I have a feeling which he never told me but I have a feeling if the coach is looking for a better contract, longer contract not only longer contract if they are looking for a substantial increment or whatever that COA will be in a not in a position to give it because COA will only extend it and will on the same terms same terms and they will let the next committee come and make because this new contract if you do a new contract in September and your Asian Cup happens in Jan Feb no Asian Cup nobody knows when it is going to be Jan Feb is impossible because December is the World Cup so you can't have it June-July because your venue is not finalized whenever you extend a coach at least for us you do big event to big event our big event is Asian Cup it gets over in June-July so you are saying if this negotiation happens you give him a one year contract saying that again we will see you up to Asian Cup could be up to Asian Cup Coach you would say that I want a bigger contract because my project is this you have run this company after YBK that we have done this I think that I don't know but COA will be reluctant to do it because COA will say that this is not a mandate limited if you have a next committee if you say that if you have a big event then where will you go so when will the Asian Cup happen you do it and if you want a substantial increment that could be a problem for COA because COA doesn't want to as I have spoken to them they don't want to increase the expenditure whatever is going on if someone says that we are coming we will lose money but then that will be a sticking point also the coach says no I don't want to because he has publicly gone and said I have gone for a lower offer I had higher offers when I was joining this place because I thought there was a project in hand so I took it because I thought a lot of people are going to come together for this project to grow and it's a huge market and the time comes and I have taken you to your second Asian Cup under whatever circumstances after how many of our qualification rounds you have taken him there he has every right to say okay now are you not increasing my money it's time I have come at a lower price at least that's on the negotiating table we can always say but I think if you look at from AFF point of view then the coach has given a very decent salary very decent salary and the AFF picks up his picks up his income tax as well so what else can they do the money may be money may be money may be not much in if you look at from the European point of view though I don't think so but if somebody says from the European from the Indian point of view it's a very good I think there is also some kind of cap on how much national sports federation are permitted to spend on coaching staff no because half of it is being given by the ministry the rest is given by the federation that is fine but the federation also has a limit how much they can so he has said I was getting I am getting as much as the previous coach was getting perhaps he is right also but these all things he has to talk to new committee just because the Keartika government cannot pass a budget to give a year on accounts vote on accounts it is like Mr. Kurishi will the COA will give a vote on accounts but I can understand him using a loudspeaker and just putting it out there now because what he is doing he is holding press conferences left right and centre he is talking to people left right and centre I can understand because he is saying my time has come to negotiate a salary but now I am stuck my hands are tied because a court case has happened and the federation is in all sorts of term oil and now I will sign a contract for another year because of your term oil I will not be able to renegotiate my terms and you know that seems like a anyway so I guess we can ask the problem is his arrow is going nowhere because he has no target who will take the responsibility nobody will take the responsibility okay I am trying to say in the negotiation when you talk I think there is less weight in the negotiation I want to say this the coach there is less weight because ideally you just taken the team to your secondation you should be above I have done the work if you don't negotiate with me I am the one who took you then everything is fine I am telling who so in fact we have some kind of confirmation that the coach himself it's a good time to announce I believe you people are talking to him also exactly next few days also he goes too much will be on 420 grams on so far we know that he think that he will be here on Wednesday this coming week so we will of course ask him some of these questions who he is talking to at the federation how those negotiations are proceeding because obviously there are a lot of other issues that are going on so perhaps only the future of the national team head coach for the men's team isn't like prime in the minds of the committee of administrators from this point of view it's the key subject and also if we are looking to build on some of you can see when the national team does well whether it's the men's team or the women's team the kind of interest it generates it generates huge so there really is no sort of short cut to I mean on this path to Indian football growing and becoming into something national team performance is a lot in it so it's important and the tournament is coming we have issued a statement the federation starts now bigger teams will be in for a surprise exactly at the press conference after in Calcutta that some of the bigger teams bigger teams meaning of course the Koreas, the Japan's Australia's, Iran these countries so a lot of questions of course about the issue we could be in a very tough pot he doesn't have to say it we know it the pots are ranking based so the sooner you qualify the chances of you getting a team that is from the other pots lower ranked are higher now we are unfortunately the lowest ranked in the lowest ranked of the qualifying bracket so automatically we will 2 tough teams guaranteed both of them have to come both of them have to come which has already become 12 Japan last time round who did we play 2011 we had Bahrain Australia and South Korea so you know he made that a favourable one like 2019 is what I am saying that was a favourable group there was a chance for us to even dream of qualifying from the group so yeah I think there should be a super interesting conversation with egos on Wednesday next week so put that in your calendars we will tell you the time as soon as we have confirmation because he is of course not in the country at the moment so based on time difference etc etc sir final thing we are moving on now all the boys are on chat this is what they are saying what is in my Nakshatra asking for this they should pay 8 lakhs for each what were some of the findings including the hot topic that is of course being discussed in the public astrology I have a lot of questions on it to whatever extent you can reveal see there is very very when did this come about this development by the way it is very unfortunate that for the last few months for the last few years maybe for some there are rumours during campaign was going on that there is a lot of corruption corruption in the all india football federation and the money has been misappropriated or whatever you call it in good language nice good language whatever you call it so first sign was the coming of CAG audit which was when sir it started last month and finished only on 21st the last I think it has finished already I don't know they are extending CAG audit is a huge thing that the sports ministry has granted permission to control and auditor general to conduct a audit of all india football federation accounts because government pays a lot of money to them so it has started one month before that is a big thing even before the CAG COA came just before the CAG COA came it happened and I believe after coming to your point I believe after coming to power after they were given us to run the federation then committee of administrator it consists of very respectable people Bhashkada is a former India captain Dr. Kureshi is a former Dr. Kureshi was the chief election commissioner of India and before that he was also the secretary of sports at one point of time and Justice Kureshi Justice Dave who was the Supreme Court judge before that he was a Bombay High Court Chief Justice also so all of them found things are not a lot of things which are not right they started auditing they started auditing finding finding papers and it's very easy for them because they have been doing it for their entire life they have been doing it for a Supreme Court judge or for a former chief election commissioner it's not something new to them they know how to do it so they quickly has come across some papers in which it has been found that a firm which some of the newspapers have also reported that a firm in Green Park has been given and I think there are two addresses it was there which I got to know that one address is behind that Green Park said it is into some some what you call it small area which is missing that area is also missing nothing is to be found and they were to be paid 8 lakhs per month and I believe this is completely I say I believe because I was not present there that when the chief executive of the company was of the Federation was confronted with it he said that it is a national team department affair and he said to see whether this is something is a national team department affair and I only signed paper when I am asked to do so this project has was propped up by the national team department and whosoever hates the national team department should be asked to something like that he said and he also said that even the coach Egos Tumak is also has approached him and said this can be done so then first I think first it was said that this company will not only astrology they will also give stats to the national team stats on the on the rival teams all stats which have been given to a team the previous team that how many passes they play what they do all this which is being which from 2016 that in stat company who are in contract with AFF so you don't know there is another company to do it but how are you getting stats from astrology that is the thing that is what said how can they give astrology stats from astrology company whatever I don't know now so then he was perhaps he was not not impressed with what put it politely politely was not impressed and then I think that the he was not feeling well so he went on leave very graciously and there are some other things also coming up that players players from developmental side were sold to some clubs they have been sold to clubs whether ISL clubs or ILI clubs I don't know they have been sold to them and those players and of course the mother club gets a commission out of it for that that's a rule there so that commission has gone to a club in Gujarat and later Gujarat the Gujarat club said we never heard of it and the money was sent to a bank account which the Gujarat club has no nothing to do with that that's in a Bombay company a Mumbai company it was found the address in a place where the owner of the company that company has at least 90 shell companies in the country and all these things these are all I am hearing I am not privy to papers or anything but since I am around for a long time I get to hear a lot of things from all kinds of rumours so everybody my fat so all these things are coming up so the thing is that whether Astrologer has gone or a player has been sold and money has been taken away basically the thing is that there are a lot of and when I interviewed Dr. Kureshi for he clearly told me which was in court he told me which I published and since he has not refuted I think what he said he says everything is fine AFF it has got a good administration matches are going on not a problem but there are some financial irregularities in it then I asked him sir what is the in that case what he planned to do he says I am still in the process of collecting evidences so there is a corruption in AFF in the Federation that is a perhaps we can come to a conclusion I am not sure whether but perhaps we can come to a conclusion I am just trying to say there is a long time so you get to hear a lot of things and that is courtesy of you being around for a long time so there is a trust factor and there is always two sides to a story while one might execute it the other person might not like it but so he will come to you to you know to discuss this is happening in a Federation which is a close knit unit I am sure everyone in the Federation knows what is going on whether you are a person who has just been asked to sign the matter starts so everyone knows what is going on if that is the case and everyone knows what is going on they should all go because are you trying to tell me that tomorrow you change the heads by holding an election but I am just lucky here and those heads again turn out to be similar kind of pattern people these people all do the same thing again you will again follow suit and the whole thing will start again so if you really want to reform the Federation and it could be a tough job because if you suddenly reboot everything it is tougher to start again especially at a crucial time when you are playing the World Cup and you are playing the Asian Cup and so on I am just saying if you are privy to it you are part of it whether you signed or not signed if you are privy to it you are part of it it is as simple as that and as of now at least the sense that we are getting overall outside of outside of some matches are happening not all matches are happening selectively matches are happening and how are they happening why are they happening there is a different discussion I think from the sports administration point of view some thought has to be given to people who come in for people to come in space needs to be made so the mandate of this committee while it is a simple mandate which is to come up with a new constitution and to hold new elections it is also a fairly broad mandate so it is not a reform mandate it is a restructuring mandate when you are making a new constitution that means you are looking at the whole structure from the outside identifying the weak points and you will try to make it again in this process when Mr. Kureshi is saying that he is in the process of collecting evidence when that evidence will come to him clearly then some sort of tears of responsibility will be there for those who are indulging in this kind of mismanagement and then they should face the consequences of it as you know I am just saying easier said than done it is easier to take out the heads who are executing this but do you also then impact the people that is what I am trying to say because if you are part of that house there and you know what is going on and you have not said anything even if you wanted to make a point you could have gone out and brought it out but those are very complicated things you see what is happening with whistleblowers around the world you see the case of Julian Assange for example more than 10 years in jail why because he has exposed the secrets of being civilians so basically you let the guys turn blind so when the laws of the land do not provide any protection to people who are whistleblowers who are willing to go out and these days it is very common right? the journalist will write anything attributed to sources attributing to sources is fine because and it happens precisely for this reason that you cannot give your name but it is one thing when you have evidence on paper of wrongdoing let's say my department is catering and there has been some fraud in the national teams department I might have heard about it in conversation but that has absolutely nothing to do with my role in it actually two members raised this question in front of COS corruption is going on then finally I think one of the I think Justice Dawe also told them that that's why you are here and why don't you make a nice nice committee which will take care of all this it is in your hand it is in your hand absolutely so when you are rewriting the constitution clearly you should have checks and balances in place measures in place right for that to ensure that there is proper audit I am sure those things are happening anyways one more thing coming to this year he has the COA has ordered a forensic audit and they are supposed to give a report in six weeks time I don't think they will be able to give it in six weeks but generally forensic audit is a deep audit which takes more time I believe but they have agreed to a forensic audit has been ordered so once all these things are done I suppose the whole line heads will roll exactly that's what I am trying to understand how many will roll because if a whole building is involved by way of directly or indirectly being involved how many heads will roll see but the building is not involved the whole building is involved if a person is doing something we have no right to say unless it is proved we have absolutely no right to say I get your point but I am saying if I am privy to what is happening over here then I am involved in some way or the other and I am then susceptible to be chosen again and then I can do the same thing again of turning a blind eye is all I am trying to say putting everything upside down is not a very easy task that's why I put it there also so finally coming commercial partner because the money which is being used this is coming from there Masterite agreement what is the thing they must be using our money in a wrong way what are you saying they met yesterday what happened after that I have no idea they met even the iLeague and ISL club also met iLeague club submit has made two very good demands iLeague club submit one thing they said we are by the end of end of the promotion delegation in the draft constitution as many people pointed out initially when those copies were circulated there is a clause that says the iLeague which is a league owned by India and here India is equated to the all India football foundation so it is a publicly owned not a privately owned league will be the number one league in the country the story has started if it is in the draft constitution there will be a sticking point that is not happening I spoke to Dr. Kureshi on this subject he said this constitution we drafted before the October 2019 road map was accepted by all stakeholders in Kuala Lumpur we are aware of the way the things are being run aware of the road map everything will be solved there will be a better discussion that means it will be I assume that is what he meant to say I am not sure what he said but I assume he wanted to say that only and any questions on the master rights agreement itself because in 2025 that also comes up for 15 years as far as COA is concerned I don't think they will go but this iLeague club told COA as well as FIFA members that COA members is also the AFC secretary who was present in that meeting iLeague club said since the promotion will start from 2020 to 2023 season last 4 years the road map says so but so far not a meeting has been held on it how the things will do why don't you order them to hold a meeting at least so we will know what is happening and secondly why don't you put one league committee member whether from ISL from iLeague to the executive committee with a voting right so both of them said COA and both of them said it is out of our bounds we cannot but you ok when the committee comes you talk but this is a very valid point that what about the promotion of iLeague clubs why no discussion has been done and I still think and I say it always when I say it openly I still think it is not going to happen I am surprised if it happens definitely not along the timelines that we have been told so far in some pretext of the other it will be changed I think more or less when we started talking about the ban when the COA came we also said that these are tactics and these are very commonly used tactics as Jayadev Basu would have experienced time and again in his coverage but overall in the operations of National Sports Federation it is happening all over the place but on that note I think it is time to wrap up this episode of 420 grams I hope some of the issues have been clarified for you I hope you enjoyed this update on what is going on at the moment with Indian football a lot more action expected in the coming weeks I have also received a message while we were chatting from Mr. Steematch that he has confirmed and he is going to be on the show but it depends on Jayadeep was saying that he is likely to have some meetings with the COA in the next few days most likely on Monday or Tuesday so he is like some of what he comes and says if he comes and says it depends on whether those meetings will go ahead or not so either ways we are in touch we have for a change channels of communication our open conversations are happening the dialogue is on and also friend of the show Ishfaq has written in with questions on that coaching subject but for today we will I think wrap it up here the focus of this was to figure out where the committee of administrators is and what is happening with FIFA so I think we have done that thank you very much all of you for joining in I think 200-300 people on a working day afternoon have taken out the time to come and watch this show we will be back with the Egos T-Match next unless something explosive happens in which case Jayadeep will be back with all of that excitement see you again, stay safe, goodbye thank you