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The boy, it was after that smitty thing, I said, yeah, that broke it, man, I'm in there now. You like Sergeant B, huh, nigga? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I meant that, bro. I mean, you know, it's just something different about down there for me, because I remember as a kid growing up down there. Man, just tell, let me, I'm see I'm going ahead, man. Just tell everybody a little bit about yourself first, Sergeant B, and then we'll go to Sergeant J, man. What's up, John, my name's Sergeant B, test counter, Texas. I mean, I was born there, I was raised a little bit everywhere, but, you know, test counter where it said Wiley, baby, Grandview, ILO, you know, I rap, I DJ, engineer, manage, develop, produce, everything. Anything I get paid for, that's what I do. Already, man. And so, what about you, Sergeant J, man? Now, you boys are brothers, man, so, you know, I mean, this year, it's like when you get out of line, you know, big brother got to say something, yeah, big brunt got to say, hey, man, you know, pull it back in, baby, you too far out there. He don't really have to. Because you seem like you got it together. I know my business for sure. Okay, let's hear a little bit about yourself. I'm Sergeant J, test counter, Texas. You know what I mean? Saying pretty much same story as him, except I ain't moved as much. I mean, producer been producing for about like 10, 11 years now. Wow. Because who started first? Him. Like, he 10 years older than me. Oh, that much? Wow. Okay. And look good though. Y'all boys tell brothers. I know brothers when I see them. Yeah. I would have never guessed 10 years. No, no, no, no. Y'all looking good. That's it, man. But black don't crack. No, let me just gonna say that right now. Cause I'm still looking. You say I keep a mirror so you can see how I'm looking, baby. Right. You know what I'm saying? So check it, man. So you, Sergeant B, I seen you on a video, man, with decipher for these girls. I'm like, this nigga done put this together. I'm like, how did that thing happen? Well, decipher the girls, they came up with it, they said. They came up with it. And then they came to me to record it. And then I put the order together, you know, mix the master, record it and had to work with all seven of those girls. Really? And they are from different places. Yeah, East Texas. But in East Texas, but from different, you know, I'm from East Texas. So long of you kicking it with Mount Pleasant, kicking it with Paris, kicking it. That's a deal. That's a stretch. So when I seen that, I'm like, okay, somebody had to organize this. How did they come up with putting themselves together like that? Who picked who would be on the song? It was those girls. So it was already done. When they came to me, they was like, we trying to do a cycle. We trying to, we picking you to record it. I was like, okay, you know, come up, come holler at me. So they came to the studio in half. Like I was already working with two of the girls. You working with which one? I was working with Smitty and Journey. I was already recording them. Smitty and Journey. But it's another one told me she coming to see you Sunday. Really? The rest of the girls are coming. No, it was her name. She my cousin, actually. She hit me up. I'm like, damn, that's crazy. But he didn't know she was right. Man, I didn't. And I don't want to mess her name up. She was, she was the second one, maybe. You can't remember. Can you? Yeah, it's hard to remember. Yeah, we getting old. I'm getting old. All of them was hard. But she just hit me up. And I listened to some of my music, too. Brea. Okay. Brea, that's my little Kenfolk. Man, I thought I'd Brea, man. I got a shout out. She did a thing. You know, I like, like I said, how do you, do you work with any of them for as, cause you do artist development. Yeah. So when you working with them in the studio and stuff, you try to give them some tips on how to do this and, you know, how it can come across better. Yes. The one that listen. Yeah. I know it's hard. It's hard. Cause they think they can. Hey, I got it. Some, I mean, some are easy to work with some are hard to work with. Not those girls. Cause those girls, they was all good. I'm easy to work with. But like if some artists, they got a big head. So. So how hard is it dealing with a female artist compared to the men artists? Cause then people always say women are so dramatic and so this and so that. Well, for, for me, it's easier to work with the women artists more than the male artists. Cause the women don't really bring a lot of people with them. Like the males they want to bring like baby mama entourage all that. The only thing that's work hard with working with a female is like if they have a spouse or not, like they have a boyfriend who tripping or a girlfriend who tripping. Like that's the only time. I don't like working with a female artist other than that. It's really better working with a female artist. Wow. I mean, so you've seen, you've seen people. Have you ever, you work with some of the Tyler artists too? Tyler. You don't really have a mess with like T Jones and all them people up that way. Not yet. I've heard his music. Yeah. He's seen, he pretty hard. He pretty dope. Yeah. He did a song with Smoothie. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that Dallas. I'm watching. Don't think I ain't watching. I'm watching everything that going on. No. I have to do my research because I talk a lot. I get behind his mic. I got to know what's going on. And I got a year for the music. I love music. So it's been that way for me forever. What's going down? And then when I seen that you guys was doing the work, I was doing, I had to get y'all on the show, man. And then, you know, the thing I say about you, man, is you and the trenches too. You really out there with them. And you, did they do that video in Marshall? What did they do? No, that was at my studio. So they did it at your studio. They all came to TK. Yep. Okay. Where at the studio? In Texcana. Texcana. Okay. So what about, I mean, you never worked with HB? HB? I used to record them a couple years ago. You did it? Okay. It really is small down there, but when I was dealing with HB, it seemed like his impact was coming out of Atlanta or somewhere else because he got a different sound. For real? Yeah. To me, you know, it just like, it didn't sound like, it wasn't nothing like smoothie or nothing like that. It's something like a, almost a conscience wrap to me. It was like, that's the way it came across. You know what I mean? So everybody got different ways that they come across, you know? And I just like what I'm seeing, you know, with what's going on at home, man. Yeah, the dude told me he was, he was from, he'd been through shallow. Nigga, old name dropped on me all day, man, tripped me out. I said, what is he knowing about the max and all this? And it is small down there. And it's just a, it's a, it feel good to know that we, you know, we've stumped on some of the same ground and dealt with some of the same people with that bloodline that you was talking about. Matter of fact, like I say, Chris had called me, Chris Mack called me about a month ago when my captain is through, just called me like, that's your wife. I'm like, yeah, nigga. That's it. That's my guy though. You know, we went to school together. So, you know, but, so the music scene down there, who, I mean, give me, who are you working with right now? I know you're working with Smitty because they made that statement on this show. Yeah. Smoothie. You already know about Smoothie. Smoothie too. Them the two you rock out with. Yeah. Okay. All right. I just want to get, get all, and them the only two you dealing with. I mean, it's a few. Far as signed and trying to. Oh yeah. Like we on the same team. Me, Smoothie, Smitty. Okay. You, you are looking at a you. Possibly like. Yeah. For them. Yeah. It's a girl from Houston, but I'm not going to say her name, but it's a girl from Houston. She already. Yes. I contacted her, but she don't, I don't think she think, you know, I'm somebody. I think she think I'm somebody on some BS right now. She probably because of the way y'all move. She don't know. Yeah. You got to be tuned in to know. I mean, I'm just going to wait till I go to Houston. I'm just going to call her like, pull up to the studio. Yeah. And you know that she, you can work with him. I know I can. You can bring some out of. Especially with his music? Yeah. Yeah. Like. That'll be fly. Yes. How hard is it being brothers? How do y'all ever get into little situations where y'all don't agree on something? No, not really. Have you never? I know more. I mean. Y'all brothers. Can't kill table now. Don't play with me. It's something that I'm not. That's really me and my other brother. Yeah. Oh, it's the other one. The younger. I'm the middle child. Oh, you like, he like Jacob. I'm like the glue. It's not anymore. That means y'all did get. Yeah. We had, you know, we had our discrepancies in the past, but like we trying, we on the same team. You seem so level headed, bro. Yeah. I don't know what it is about you to me. It's like this nigga, the one right here. He level headed as hell. Yeah. He ain't going to be shook easy and any nigga going to want to work with him. But have you always wanted to be in this industry, even as a kid growing up? Yes. You've always, so you've always been, have you always wanted to, or are you just following what he did? In the beginning. Like I looked up to him, he was rapping my whole growing up. Like he was the coolest nigga to me. That's cool. Yeah. I wanted to be, at first I wanted to be a rapper. Why can't my brother can't do that? That nigga don't give me no props. I did everything. I got to argue with the nigga and everything else, man. What my older brother do, he love the way we move, but my young brother, I can't get this nigga to listen for nothing. So I get it, but I'm kind of envious about this. I'm kind of jealous of the relationship. I mean, you know, I got to work on me. You don't have nothing to do with y'all. So you pulled him into the business? No. No, you didn't put him in. I first didn't even take me serious. I didn't. Like he didn't take me serious at all. Like when I first started trying to play my beats and stuff, like he thought I was. I was like, that shit trash. How you supposed to? I mean, in retrospect, it was, but you know what I'm saying? I was trying to start, so. I was the only person telling him. The truth. It was trash. So you gave him a hard time because you wanted to go back and research and come back harder than you did. Because some of the beats were, they were all right, but I was like, that shit trash. Already? That's what you did? He wanted to come harder. Got to. Because I wanted to let him know that it don't come easy at all. When was the first time that you felt like he had some? When B-King, like I'm real cool with B-King. Yeah, yeah. Shout out B-King, man. What's up, B-King? His name keep flowing through it. XO, the one just was here. She got a song with him. So a lot of artists got songs with him, and then all the ones you guys collab with. So like most of the time, when I was like promoting and throwing events and stuff, like when I brought B-King, like every artist I bring down, I give them like a CD or a flash drive with his beats. Okay, that's hot. That's hot. And B-King was like the first one to be like, hey, what beats dude? I'm like, it's my little brother beat. He like, how old is he? I'm like, he's like 14, 13. At the time he was 14 and 13, he was like, wow. That's hot. I got songs with him. And then you were 24 at the time because y'all like, okay, wow. So you got songs with who? No, I was saying like, I got songs with B-King when I was 15, like 16. Did any of them go like the surface? No, I didn't have them. No, I mean they was out, but like they wasn't like no hits. Yeah, yeah, he was still doing it, trying to get in his stuff. No, he had hits though. He had hits like, you know what I'm saying? Like what? Like in the club, like. Okay, yeah, yeah. Like Lil T. Jones. Okay. He had like a lot of hits. But he still was respecting what you was doing. Yeah, no. Wow, that was crazy. At 14 or 15, how did you feel when he took your beat and did something with it? No, that was like just like confirmation. You was talking about the world, right? So I got it, I got it. Because like at that time I had just found out about B-King and like, cause he was just dropping out music. He was DJing and stuff. Like of course all the DJs had B-King music. So like I had just found out about him. He was my favorite artist at the time. So like it was crazy, like just meeting him and he liking my beats. Like it was like, dang, like it's crazy. Do y'all have any sisters or y'all three brothers? No, just us. And the other brother, he's in music as well? Yeah. Production side or the last side? Yeah, he's an engineer and he a videographer. Yeah, he's a videographer. So y'all are your own company? Yeah, he's DJ. I DJ too. Well, what's up, man? Yeah, he DJ also. So what's that? Like y'all do it all together? Yeah, he drum, I drum, my little brother drum. Yeah, we all play drums. Wow. So y'all have a business name for all three y'all together? No, we have our own. I was mad because the other y'all named himself Sergeant C. He did? He did. He did what he was supposed to do. No, he just was like, I ain't doing that name. His name is Kobe. See, everybody gonna say the same thing. But he more like going after being a CEO. Like he not like trying to be under the road. Like he just trying to be like, Yeah, he just want to be a boss. He like being a boss. We too big. We are too big to be like under each other. Yeah, that too. I have my own thing. He have his own thing. We all have our own brand going on. Y'all still brothers though. That's cool though. No, I respect it. It's definitely dope. It's uncommon. It's very uncommon. You know what I mean? To see who else doing that. It's not something you see every day. Can I thank anybody that was like that in the industry? That was dealing with engineering and beats and brothers. No, it's just us. He's like, no, it's just us. Wait till I see the documentary. Somebody need to make a new one. I got everything that you need to do that. I'm linked in with a guy that got massive equipment. And we've been working on that. I got a crew that we put together of seven. Y'all might know him. His name is Sir Charles Jones. He's a Southern soul singer. Yeah. We doing that. We going to do small film documentary. So I'll rock with you, man. You will figure it out. You don't have everything written down as in what you want. No, they don't need all that. That's what we going to figure it out. We got all that. I wasn't sure if they had everything. I charged for that. I think it's got money. No, but I mean, I just love the music, bro. I ain't going to lie to you. The Erica Banks thing you did. Say, man, I'm trying to hold off on talking about that because my other co-host is going to come in. He got questions for you. When it comes to Erica Banks, he got a lot of questions. You've been asking him for ever since the platform opened up. She from Dallas. He can ask me. Yeah. So how was it? So you signed to 1501. And so how did that go down? How did you because of her? Yeah, it's because initially, whenever they found her, they just heard all her music that she had and I produced a couple of them. And then they decided they wanted to get behind it. They reached out to me too. See if you were interested. Just to keep that sound going. Is that a normal thing that they do with every artist? It's like a newer thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's a newer approach. Yeah. But I remember. That's breaking in the whole team. I think that's good because the rapper and you have a chemistry. Yeah. If you break that up, you might not get the same results. Yeah, exactly. I see where he's going with that. And that's awesome. Yeah, I like it, man. I'm definitely feeling the vibe, man. Who you making that? What do you say? Test Count Nick, kick the dough in. That Nick, that beat. I make that beat. Who made that beat? It's YouTube, I think. Yeah, you got that YouTube. What about Test Count Baby? The whole Test Count Baby mixtape. He did that one. Okay. You did that one. The whole tape. So you be on it? Yeah, yeah. And so did you see something in Smoothie before? Did he see? Smoothie was running around on him way before. And then he hopped on one of my beats through him in 2013. But then me and Smoothie started working in late 2017. Yeah. Or early 2018 maybe. We started working. So that Muddy Waters track, did you do anything on that? Yeah, I did May 7th with Mutt. Okay. And then Cold Game I did entirely. And Block Got Hot I did. Wow. The Muddy Waters track. Oh, Muddy Waters, the outro. Yeah, you did that too. The thing I say about you guys, man, it's very unique that you find this type of chemistry in family members and they can work together like that. Don't you think so? Yes it is. That's why, man. You know, I out there at East Texas, love, that's why it's happening like that. Only we could do that. Yeah. Ain't no everybody could do that. Don't even try it. Don't even try it. You can't do it. It's something that comes from the way that you're raised. If you make it. I mean, if you make it out. Am I right? If you make it out like a Tessa Cana, like you did something like, something great for me. Oh, you? Hell yeah. Just East Texas in general. East Texas in general. But I'm talking about the upbringing. Y'all had to have some damn good parents, man. Oh, yeah. To be able to. I'm being real now. This is how it just happened. We had great parents. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That ain't no way. My dad had been like, he was preaching this to us like, this is what he wanted. This is his dream. Wow. See, he was working together. So he believed in the music and y'all from the jump. Not at the jump. Let's talk about that. No, no, no. Let me pull up. Yeah, because he already had done it. Yeah, yeah. This guy right here called Hale trying to make this vision come through. I want to talk to you about that. So how, what did he say? When you came to him about to me, I'm a rappel. He didn't like it. Are you preaching? Yeah, yeah. I'm a rappel. I mean, my dad cool. Like he cool. I know he cool, but he had something playing. You know, usually people want you to work, right? It was like he started preaching like after the parties and all that. They used to have like Kid Max and all that. There it is. He was DJing. Okay. So you got it from him? Yeah. And then he started preaching. So he was cool. So I'm like, Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. They got a different version. They got a different version. But see, I know about being the older child because that's what happened. You can't tell. And so, so when you seen the transformation, you seen and you remember, okay, you were doing this too now. No, but you can't just help both ways. The older and the youngest one, because the youngest one is usually the baby. So they, they're so protective of the baby compared to the middle one be always, they don't, I'm not saying they don't care, but they, you know, they don't do as much to you. No, no, no, no. You think he was bald? Oh yeah. Most definitely. He would say that. You don't think he was bald? No. No, I ain't no way. You probably bald in male. No. 10 years older? Uh-uh. So he never knew. Nothing you went and got for him. Like he was like, bro, I gotta have this. You like I'm gonna get it for him. No. Never. No. Okay. Okay. Like I used to always have the babysit. They used to get me in trouble. Really? Tell her on me. Nigga, cause you wasn't getting us no food. Food. Yeah. We was hungry in the hole. You probably out with some hoes or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a big brother for real, right? Yeah, he was a man too. He was DJing. Everybody's seeing him. Yeah, he the man. He rapping. Yeah. How was your rap thing? Did you think it went okay? Yeah. Was it hard? Yeah, it was hard. I can find you on YouTube. I'm a fan. I had a college band playing my song. Oh, that's hot. University of Arkansas, Pine Bluff. Shout out to M4. I had a song called Cake Mode. Okay. And it blew up in Arkansas. Okay. And like the band was playing it. Wow. That's like my biggest song. And that was before YouTube kind of got it? That was right when YouTube started. Started. Yeah. You can go to my YouTube page like all those old videos. I'm gonna check it out. I should have went and got it, but I was like, no, I'm more interested in what you're doing now. Right. And I think you guys got some special and it's gonna impact the world. Not just Texas County. You talking about making it out. Well, you already done, y'all done made it out. Really, people know about you talking about going up to H-Town, pulling girls out of different situations where you can put the spotlight on because of the work ethic that you've had and the way that people have recognized you guys already. So, I mean, Sergeant B, Sergeant J, that's a household name. Niggas know, especially now. And we popping them off right here first. One last thing y'all did a interview together. No, we never do that. That's what I'm talking about. My boss talked 101. We wanted to break the mold on everything. Don't get it twisted. You know, I'm a little arrogant, nigga. I just like the way that we come across, man. You know, we do different things that's different than everybody else. You know what I'm saying? I'd be tripping off of everything that we do because we so solid. You know what I'm saying? So you do beats, too, right? I used to. You used to. So you just deal with straight artist development and recording and engineering mix and all. So when did you switch from just being a rapper to doing all of that? Well, from rapping, I really started with the DJ and I started throwing parties. So I was like, well, instead of just rapping and waiting to get a show, why don't I just throw my own show? Yeah. And we put, I performed at my own show. So I used to bring artists down and I would open up for them. Yeah. So I get the hold though. And then I just break the artists off with they look thousand or two days and then we going home with six, seven, you know, right? That makes sense. The process is so crazy, man. The way, the way, the way it comes across, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know already when I, when I heard this right here, you know what I'm saying? I heard that right there. I knew already. Damn, sorry. Y'all, y'all, you know, you know, this is different. So what, what is the thing when I, when I hear the music, I say, why does the process, because it seemed like you went, you were reaching back and getting something from the old and kind of metal to the new. Yeah. No, like, like this, this song right here, like this music, like he was playing when, when I was right, like riding around with him. Like he used to just drive around through the city. That's crazy. Like I used to have a bag to just ride. Like, you know what I'm saying? Listen to the music. He used to have a system in the car. And Paul Lock and Drop It was definitely one of them songs that was playing. Yeah. And Tripp It. That was a hot song. That in Tripp It, or that, that green car you had. The Jeep. Yo, that Jeep. Yo. That's how it went down. Man. Hey, when I heard it, I said, man, that boy got something right there, man. Hey. And it seemed like. Somebody like making that beat though? Yeah. Making the beat. Now I'm talking about where I, where I reached back for the sample like back then. Yeah. But I made the beat out here. Yeah. Yeah. It was me and D-Mack. D-Mack. D-Mack. I talked to him night before last. I think last night. They supposed to be on Sunday. Yeah, it was D-Mack. So how did you and D-Mack come up with that? Was y'all in college or something? Yeah, we was in college. Heard about it. See, I'm researching like crazy. I want to know. So D-Mack and you, what was the process for y'all working together? And how does that work? Oh, man. I just met him. At first he was rapping on my beats. And then I met Digital University out here in Dallas. Okay. So like, I was out there like with Max, I think just up there just making beats. Oh, so you know Mad Max too? Oh, I know Mad Max, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about Max Media. Okay, Max Media. All right. I just caught that wrong. I'm like, okay, what is going on here? So you and him did do anything else other than that together? Yeah. Like he just did, he rapped on one of my tracks. And then after that, like he said he wanted to learn how to DJ. Yeah. He wanted to learn how to make beats. And I'm talking about how to make beats. So y'all work together. He didn't know how to do all that at first? No, he didn't. Really? Yeah. So you blessed this game, really? That's a blessing, bro. That's what I'm saying. He has to pass on. I mean, he had to work at it for like, he just, he was there every day with me. Like we was there making beats every day. Like we was like struggling, like for real, like in the trenches every day, making beats every day all day. Every day. That's good that you know that he's willing to pass your knowledge on to someone else. Yeah, thanks. Because that's crazy. And he gonna always like, he'll help just like that. Like he been helping other people. He helping too. I did, I get it. Cause that's what I do. I'm the same way. Like a guy coming to me about opening a business up. I go and set the whole business up for it. You didn't see me do it a couple of times and I still, I bless him with it. You know what I'm saying? So why? So he could bless other people with it. And then we can't take this craft with us. We gotta hand it off. Each one should be teaching one, right? So that's the way, that's the way that one went down. I want to know some. You're married. Yes. You are not. My lady right there. Okay. All right. Shout out to his lady. She in here got his back. In case y'all didn't know. Don't be trying to come in Sergeant J. Cause he got an old lady right there with it. I'm sorry. You like that huh? Being an artist or being in the limelight. And I know females might jump at you, try to get at you. How do y'all deal with that and how is it at home? How does she deal with that? You know what I mean? I mean she, she's a strong lady. So she don't really pay attention to like, you know, any other females. Like we really don't have those issues. Oh really? No drama. Yeah she, she know already what she, what she, what she got. What she signed up for. But you know, I've heard, I've heard individuals in the rap game or in that entertainment industry, you know, whether married or, you know, sometimes, you know, girls slide in their DMs and sometimes that causes controversy. It depends on how they handle it as well. So that's why I was just asking how do you deal with it? Because our listeners, you never know who might be listening and, you know, take your advice with certain things. That's the reason why I like to ask that. I mean most of the time I might just show her. Oh look at her. What about, let's talk about it. I like to go all the way in. Let's talk about when we was in Vegas and we've grown around that big escalate and when she got out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She shot your boy to text and she said, yeah, I like what you're doing. Yeah. Right there with the wife. So yeah, it can get hectic out there when you, when you roll and big and bossed up. So, you know those. Yeah. Did it happen? That did happen because some women are like that. They'll be in front of your face but still go behind your back and try stuff. And I did what you made me think about it because you say, I showed her, other people do every profession though. Yeah. If you have a job, you're a black man with a job. Yeah. You're attracted. You're attracted. A lot of women, you know. That's rare. Yes. So that's something you have to deal with. You got to deal with that. Yeah. You just getting started, baby. Oh yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. You locking in there early too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I ain't even worried about that. I think he sneaked. I think he sneaked. That's what I'm talking about. Sergeant V.A. ain't going to let me down. He's going to tell me the truth. You sneaking around doing something when stuff happened around the house, she was like, yeah, that nigga did something. Nah, it was me. Yeah. I'm the bad one. When your birthday? January 30th. September 12th. Yeah. Them good days, man. See, he calm. He's September. Yeah. I know September people come. My daughter's September. Yeah. She is not calm. She's not calm. You guys, man, y'all got to keep banging it out, man. I'm a brag about it, man. I'm trying to get a boss talk. You know, I want to be in a video. I'm putting my shirt on. I got my unique hustle on, but I'll put my boss talk on. I got a boss talk on. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I jump in a video every 90 and it's standing there so I'm going to look to the side. Oh, yeah. Let you capture it just a little bit. You're right. You're posted up. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I want to do. Just get in there. So what's big? What's happening next big project coming out? What? We've been working on a media project. Her EP coming soon. We about to shoot the video to let me see it next weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how do she how did she cause DJ juice was on here and he told me how that process went with them and I gotta get through this fast. But how did how did the process go with you and Smitty how did you you come did you just do it up on the caption that hey man, you say we want to work with her like a man Smitty through my brother. Okay. My brother was telling me I need to work with her but I wasn't really paying attention to her because I was I already had like a female I was working with that I was like just really focused on. So I was like, okay. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? Because he already had brought other females to him. So he's like, you need to work with Smith. I'm like, okay, whatever. You know what I'm saying? So like, she booked a session with me. And that's how Let Me See It came about. She booked a session with me because Jews told her she needs to work with me. And my brother was telling her she needs to work with me also. That's the thing that you gotta understand that's hard is picking. That's the part I have a problem with actually. I have a lot of people that want to, they like e-man work with me. I got the money and the bread to push it. But I'm like, I don't trust it. The process. I just don't, I lost his everything to me. Me too. So I'm just like, if you get a situation and I put this light on you, what you gonna do then? Exactly. That's the part that gets hard for me to, is that the stopping point for me? It is. I keep doing it. I be like pulling back. You just gotta get the norm. Like get a good like judge or that character. But that's not even only it. Cause I'm the one behind him saying to him, are they pushing themselves? Are they being self-motivated? Are they just sitting out here waiting for you to come in and do everything? You know what I mean? Say, hey, are you in the studio? Are you going, nobody should have to tell you that you're in the studio. Cause that's when I start working with artists. Like I had artists, plenty of artists that at first they bugging me. Right. When I gotta bug you, where you at? You come to the studio today? Oh, like that. No, because at the same time, I can be making money. You know? But I'm wasting time trying to see where you at or trying to see if you come to the studio. I gotta make your show this. Gotta take it to the show. I don't know if I do all that. All that. Listen, I told the guy today. I told the guy, I said, look man, I wanted to work with you. And I called, I said, you been, your mom know, they knew me all my life. I said, I was gonna, you know, I could reach out to a Sergeant B or Sergeant J. Probably not Sergeant J, cause he got paperwork by the way. I can reach out to Sergeant B. You know what I'm saying? I can make something happen. You know what I'm saying? Our people out here, I know. Like the little guy you just was mentioning. You know, I know different people. I know different places. I know how to put you on different platform, make you look a certain way. I can do all of that. You see my wall of fame. I'm good with this. I can do it. But I don't trust nobody, man. Cause I think people just gonna, just hoard my information and get what they can get and then move on. And I don't feel like being used like that, bro. Same here. I mean, I've dealt with it before also, but really that's part of the business, part of the game. Really? You know? Cause like I've dealt with a lot of artists and you see I'm just dealing with two. You like I'm done with all that I'm gonna do. I'm gonna focus and try. I mean, it's some more art or something. You get your paperwork right? Yeah. You gotta get the paperwork right. Gotta get the paperwork right. But can the paperwork be right and they still do wrong? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? All this stuff is messing with me. Now you gotta spend extra money on court. And trying to figure out how to bring that back. Cause you done put your money up and that ain't good for me, bro. Cause I'm not friendly like that. Exactly. Yep. Like no, you not gonna do me any kind of way. It's hard for me to deal with that, bro. That music thing is a tricky, it's a perplexed thing, man. It's a real shady business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe you. So how often do you produce beats? Like, I mean... Or push them out. Because I'm sure you have beats that you're sitting on that you haven't done anything with yet. Yeah, I got a whole bunch of them. Right, cause you get inspiration. But when, like, cause you wanna put one beat out and let it do its do. Before you come out with another one, but what's the time period? I don't even do that. Like I just like make them like stack up and then like I just send them out or like play them for artists that come or you know what I'm saying? Like do that. Or either I like put somebody on it or something like, but I make them like just as often as they come. Like when I go to the studio, I just keep making them till I just can't make them or just don't feel like making them no more. Yeah. What's your inspiration? It just comes to you? Yeah, like I just draw from like all the stuff I'd heard like over just like, I was on drumline and stuff too. So like I draw from all that, you know, when making beats. That's what's up, man. I like what you guys got going, man. Every time y'all have something big they have them give a call, let them know. E CEO say he need to get over here, man. When he come through Dallas. I know they come through Dallas, you know. Just get him over here. Asshole and gold said he was gonna tell him to get in his ear. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell him. Yeah, he gotta come through, you gotta rock with E. And you know when you and Houston, whoever that R&B girl is that you talking about, that you guys are all, you need to bring her back on here. I will. Anytime you want to pop an artist, I'm being very particular about who we let on this show. We haven't had an R&B artist yet. Yeah, but you family. So you gotta tell me who, like I call you the other day. That was today? I think the earlier today, wasn't it? When I called you or yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. I was like, you know this? I mean, it is a few R&B girls back home that's hard. Yeah, but it's up to you. You're the gatekeeper now. You got the key, let them through. Oh yeah, let me tell you something. What's that? Talk about it. Nah, stop letting these folks from my city come and name drop. Uh-oh. Like they doing stuff and they really ain't. Oh, so, wait a minute. Is it one of the guests that been on here? I'm just gonna leave it at that. I don't know nobody from it. Leave it at that. Who else was it? He'll tell us off there. Yeah, we'll tell you. Yeah, but let me ask you this. I gotta ask you this then. So, Smooty was here. But how we gonna know though? How we gonna know? He gonna tap in with me. Okay, that's the only way we would know. Yeah, because you gotta, I gotta be educated on the, I hear the music, but I gotta be, like I called you the other day. I said, well, what about this one? Because you guys are really in tune with what's going on in the streets. You gotta be, because y'all doing artist development, y'all looking at different ways, different people doing different things. And so that's why I reach out like I do. You know what I mean? I reach out and I say, hey man, what's going on with this day in your town? I need to understand what's going on with it. You know what I mean? And it gotta be fair. You know that and I know that gotta be fair. If the work ethic is there, I don't care if you ain't rocking with them. You know that work ethic is there. You can't deny it. Don't be buying views. Yeah, that's the part. That's the part. It's a shady game. There's a lot of people be doing that. They doing that. It's a lot of that going on. And that's the part where we gotta... They look bad. But you can tell though, when you go and learn the engagement on their posts, you'll know they bought. But it can be shaded even in that aspect. Cause it's not just one platform we looking at. We talking about all of them. Cause you can do it on all platforms. So you gotta be careful. You know what I mean? Just research them. You might look good on Instagram, go to their Facebook. There you go. Cause if you pop it on Instagram, pretty sure you're gonna... You're not even on Facebook. Yeah, that's right. Go to their Facebook. My mind's max. How do y'all get past the 5,000 mark? 5,000 max too? You need to add me back too. On the Facebook? Was it on Facebook and Instagram? On Facebook. Cause I was up to 5,000 people. Can you go further than 5,000? Some people got more than 5,000 people. How do they do it? I don't know. I think it's just like delete some time. I delete people on their birthdays. But haven't you seen people with 10,000 people on theirs? You can follow each other. But like actual friends, you gotta just be 5,000. Okay, cause I got 5,000 max. I got you though. Don't even trip, baby. Man, you family. I told you. I don't know how I got undone. It must have been a curse. You know, people be against boss talk sometime. You're... Well, hey, you got any more questions? Hey man, thank you guys for coming on the show. Man, we gonna have you guys back anytime y'all in town, man. Holla at you boy, man. It's a unique hustle. Boss talk one on one. And we out.