 I should do. Well first off, welcome everybody. Thanks for coming. Just a quick poll. Hands up if you've heard of the Linux Professional Institute before. Just a quick background about LPI, as most people know it. Well, first of all, hi. I'm Matthew Rice. I'm the Executive Director for LPI. I have been for the last three or so years. I am certified by the organization. That happened while I was still a volunteer. So, yeah, just so you know. The Linux Professional Institute was incorporated as a non-profit back in 1999. We do have regional offices in a couple of dozen countries. And in that time, we've developed a track, a graduated track of education standards that people can use to learn how to use Linux in a professional setting. This presentation here is going to be very brief because what we use the rest of the time for is an opportunity to dive into some of the objectives of some of the certifications. And it depends on what you guys are interested in, which ones we cover. So it's a very short agenda, a little bit about LPI, what exams and certs we have, most importantly how to prepare for the exam. It's one of our frequently asked questions, not just how to prepare but how to actually go and take the exam. For some reason, we make it hard for people. And as well, if you do go to take the exam, what you should expect, you know, format, how long the exam is, how many you need to take. And then also what happens afterwards, you know, how you get your results and what to expect. Just a standard disclaimer, I might not know what I'm talking about, but until you're certified, you won't know. Nah, joking, until you learn this stuff. A lot of people just use our objectives actually for a study guide. Many don't go on to get certified usually because they're already working in the field and, you know, they're happy about it, but they want to make sure that they're not missing anything. And for LPI certifications, we sort of cover, do the 80-20. You know, we cover the stuff that you need to know daily to do a job using Linux. And there's no way we could cover everything. So we rely on a group of volunteers around the world, sometimes up to 1,000 guys and girls, that answer some surveys, tell us how important certain things are and how often you have to use that knowledge. And based on that, that's what we use to create the objectives for various exams. So our mission is actually not to be a certification guide. Our mission is to try and get everybody using open source everywhere and not just for professional use, but home use, hobbyists, anything like that. They slipped this one slide in. That's why I did this earlier. All right. The other thing about our certifications is they're not tied to any particular vendor. We do cover the two main streams of distributions, you know, the RPM-based ones and the de-package ones. So by the time you're finished preparing for this certification, you should be comfortable in both of those environments. In fact, you're strongly suggested you use both of them regularly, you know, whether it's Debian or Buntu or Linux Mint, Debian Edition, which is my favorite, or, you know, Santos, Fedora, Sousa, any of those. We don't cover the gooey parts of configuring a system because to be quite frank, most of the time you're going to be using Linux on a server or in a virtual machine or using containers. And my personal preference is not to install gooey stuff on those servers anyway. So we do expect you to be very comfortable in the command line. This is a very boring map, but it shows you actually where we have at least one certification holder in any country. So any country in gold or yellow there, we have certification holders. There's 13 countries so far that we haven't been able to find someone, or they haven't been able to find us, but you know, it's the usual suspects, North Korea, Syria, Somalia, Central Africa, but we'll see what we can do. Over the last 20 years, we've had about a quarter of a million people attempt to get certified and 165,000 of them have managed to pass at least one of our certifications. We've delivered over 600,000 exams, and they're delivered in nine languages and growing. I'm hoping this year we'll be adding perhaps Arabic and Korean, but right now it's English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, I'm missing one Italian, and we'll add more as we can. So one of the benefits about our certifications is they're not tied to a particular vendor or their product. These are skills that, if you learn them now, you'll probably be using them still in 10, 15 years. I got my level one certification back in 2002, and quite frankly, underneath the hood, except for some fun things like System D, if you've heard of it. Linux is still the same Linux it was 20 years ago. Yeah, the other thing is certification is not a panacea. This is usually a warning to hiring people, HR managers, that sort. Certification is not the absolute proof that you can do a job, right? So it's an indication that they've studied, they've learned more than probably the person interviewing them, and they're dedicated to becoming professional and they're taking it serious. It is a globally recognized credential. Actually, we do have some partners that use these credentials as a prerequisite for their credentials. Good, I'm trying to think right now. I mean, it used to be Sousa did that, Ubuntu for a while, but also some partners that have open source based products where they have engineers going off into the field. They're not a distribution, they're just an appliance or something, and they think this is the appropriate preparation for those engineers, aside from getting training in their products, of course. We don't mandate any particular type of study or method. If you like video learning and you want to go to Linux Academy or Pluralsight or NDG, you're welcome to do that. If you like books, you can do that as well. If you want to set up study groups, lots of people do that to support each other and encourage each other to continue learning instead of, you know, get into it later. And some people just like to print out our checklist for the objectives. For some of the exams, it can run into six to ten pages of details of exactly what we expect you to know for the exams. We try not to surprise anybody. We tell you exactly what we think you should know. And we don't try to trick you with tricky answers to the questions. You either know it or you don't. And we try and keep it fair. Yeah, so this is our current track, okay? We do have an educational certificate, so if you're brand new to Linux, you've never touched even the computer or you've never touched a Linux desktop. We do suggest you take a look at Linux Essentials first. It covers the very basics about getting around on command line, some background about open source and free software. And it's a very gentle introduction to using Linux. We do target it more towards, you know, high schools and universities, but also a lot of professionals that are, you know, switching careers will take this as a, you know, get a taste of what they're in for. We also find that if you don't have any prior experience in Linux, it also does improve, you know, how well you do on on LPEC-1. Whether you actually go and get the certificate or not. It's not a requirement. It's really just to, it's one of our ways that we use to get, you know, Linux and open source education into, you know, high schools. You know, it's some education standards. Just teach this to them. And at that point, they'll be informed enough and know whether or not they want to continue. On the professional track, we have LPEC-1 that's been 1999 or 2000 when it was first launched. It's now at version five. Okay, Linux does change a little bit. So every three years, we take a look at how, you know, whether it's versions of software or brand new changes. And we adapt the, what we expect you to know. So once you know your system well, then we start getting into other things like network services and some advanced topics, which is LPEC-2. And then we get into the enterprise level, which is mixed environments, mostly a sound before exam at this point. Security, enterprise security topics. And one that we're actually breaking into two different certifications later this year, virtualization and high availability. In two years ago, we also released a DevOps tools engineer certification. The reason LPEC-1 is not a requirement is we recognize that these tools are not always just used on Linux. So we recommend, though, before you do it, that you're extremely comfortable in your operating system of choice. And then you go and tackle DevOps topics. And trust me, it's easy to just jump to the fun stuff, which is, you know, they'll pick two topics in the DevOps, but it means you'll be missing a lot of stuff that you don't know you don't know, which come in very, very handy later on. And keep you, you know, prevent you from becoming a security nightmare as well. So for Linux essentials, again, this one breaks the mold for our professional track. In this one, it's a 60-minute test, and there's 40 questions. If you're prepared, it's plenty of time. I've never seen anyone that's prepared for the exam run out of time trying to answer the questions. And again, it's a completely separate track from the professional level track. Although some groups do use it for help desk level type jobs, where someone just needs to know enough Linux to get on to a remote server, maybe check some logs, run some sudo. Do you guys say sudo or sudo? Okay, I don't know why I say sudo. Well, because I call the command su. Someone should be sudo. All right, we won't belabor that point. The DevOps Tools engineer, it's exam 701. It's a completely different track from the Elpik ones that we call our open technology track. I don't think there's any slides on it, but later this year we're releasing a BSD Unix certification as well. There was a group that's been going for 15 years or so called the BSD certification group, and they've merged their efforts with us, you know, mostly so that we could help them get that certification more broadly available worldwide. The Elpik one, each exam is 60 questions, 90 minutes, but for level one there's two exams you have to take, and we break it up so it's not too much studying at once. You can just tackle half the subject area and then, you know, get an early win, take that exam if you want, or, you know, continue on and prepare for both at the same time. Level two, the same thing. This one, oh, sorry, I forgot to mention. Again, Elpik one, you're still on your own system. You do set up a few services like making sure that your own system always has the correct time, but it's just more things to keep your own server internally managed, but it lets you attack the network, right? So some advanced system topics, but also, you know, setting up web services, FTP, DNS, you know, essential network infrastructure that Linux has been doing since the 90s and doing very well. The thing I should mention is because this is a graduated certification track, you do have to have your Elpik one in order for us to award you an Elpik two, and the reason is it's a cumulative knowledge stack. And just because, you know, how to set up an FTP service doesn't mean, you know, and understand permissions, ownership files well enough to make sure that you're going to be doing that securely. Usually once, unless someone's a dedicated student, you know, if they're doing this during their work life and they're, you know, adding skills as they go, normally it takes about five years of experience or so. Again, depends on the person before they're ready for some of these enterprise-level topics. So how to prepare for the exam? The minute, 60 questions, except for essentials. And we have two main formats of questions, multiple choice, believe it or not, it's harder than you think. And each of those multiple choice questions will have four or five potential answers. You just have to choose the correct one. If there's more than one correct answer, we tell you. Again, there's no tricks. If there's two correct answers in that list, we'll ask you to choose two. All right, if there's three, right. And then we also have the fill-in-the-blank ones. The answers to the fill-in-the-blank questions are always the technical term or, or file name or something like that. We do that to make sure that it's easy to translate because otherwise, you know, written English or French answers, it's, it's tough to, to score automatically. Okay. Now, again, there may be multiple correct answers. You know, if you get a question asking you a, you know, a basic tar command line, there's usually about 12 to 15 variations that would be acceptable. You only have to put one in. Some people will try to answer, you know, this is the answer and then they'll put a comma or a colon or something and this is the answer and this is the answer. And if you're taking the test through the, through the VUE network, which is regional, local test centers that are set up with partners of theirs, one thing to know is, it's kind of like that joke, what do you call the guy who finishes last in medical school? Basically, you get a pass or fail. We, we do what's called scaled scoring. All right. So the score is always between two and 800, a 500 has passed. It doesn't mean 50%. It doesn't mean 75% of the questions were right. It depends on each version of the exam that is given because each set of exam questions have different difficulties. All right. So the reason we don't give a percentage is we want you to know that if you take this test and you score 600 and you go and take this, you know, a different version of this test two or three or four months later, you should get about the same score. If not the same score. Again, assuming you didn't learn anything those last three months, that's covered on the test. And we do this so that, you know, you can tell, you know, how well you did relative to the pass. And relative to, to be honest, everybody else. We put the exam objectives up on our website, but we also have a more printable version that you can get on our wiki. It's also where we put updates and new versions that are in draft. So if you want to see what's coming, if you're, you know, if you know that we're going to be releasing an update to the exam in three or four months and you want to see if there's some additional things you should be studying, take a look at the wiki. We'll be putting all the, we put all the information there. The other thing is we have versions for these. So right now we're at version five for LPIC one and LPIC two. And if you're going and buying books or anything like that and, you know, they're discounted, they're probably discounted for a reason. You know, they're back on version four, version three and they're, the publisher's just getting rid of some stock. Okay. So always double check before you take the exam which version you're studying against. When we do release a new version, we leave a six month overlap so that people that are going through say a high school or university program that's a four or five month semester, they still have an opportunity to take that exam even though they were studying the previous version. But again, Linux doesn't change a whole lot every, you know, week or month. So, you know, an old version is still okay. Hopefully you'll take a look at what the changes are between versions. We do print a diff for everybody so that you can just study the updated materials as well. The other thing we do, and we'll be doing this actually if you want. Okay. All right. The other way we deliver the exam is not just at events like links fest, scale, CBIT, next year, hopefully false Asia. But we also do this with some partners in remote areas where, you know, quite frankly, the test centers and the networks, they just don't have any test centers there. But we have some partners that are teaching people there and we'll arrange for them to do a paper version of the exam. The only downfall to this approach is that they do have to send the answer sheets to us and we scan them in and, you know, score them that way. And so we tell people it'll take, you know, up to a month for them to get the results. It's quite often less than two weeks, but people usually want to know right away. Although that's not how it worked for me in high school and university. But, you know, people are used to taking it with view where you get your score immediately. They're disappointed when they find out it doesn't work that way with the paper. If you take it through the Pearson View test network, the easiest way to book the exam is just go to view.com slash lpi. Over on the right side of the page, you'll see find a test center. There are quite a few, there's a few at least here in Singapore. The nice thing about it is they don't have to be a, you know, quite often it's a training company or school will set up a view test center. And they actually quite often make it available for any test that views delivering for the partners, you know, whether it's Cisco test, Microsoft, IBM, ours. Most of the tech certifications out there right now that are generally available to the public, they're available through the view test network. So on exam day, try not to stress yourself out, rest up before you do it, don't cram, do any last minute cramming. Never helps. And, you know, dose yourself appropriately with your caffeine and sugar. You guys know all these things, right? The other thing you'll have to do is bring some photo ID, all right? You are verified, it has to be something usually issued by the government, whether it's your license or your passport, citizenship card, residence card, anything like that would be acceptable. The other thing you need to know is your LPI ID. It's a nine digit string and you can get that, well, you can get that by also just going to LPI.org slash register. I think it'll redirect you to this one. If you do go to view, and that's especially important if you come into a paper version of the exam. If you go to view and you just take the exam and you ignore that question because they do ask for the ID, we'll automatically assign you one. So read all the questions carefully, okay? We don't try to trick you. But, you know, sometimes something does look like a correct answer. But it's not. In my experience taking tests, the first answer I pick is usually the right one. And then I change it. And multiple choice, there's always one correct answer. Again, unless you see in little parenthesis, please select X number of. For the fill in the blank ones, if we if you're expected to know the path to a file or a directory, we'll be explicit and say that. If we if we just want the command name or an option name, just put that part. People miss this part of the question all the time. I don't know why. And it's and that's usually, you know, it, you know, you've got a lot of time to review the answers before you submit, you know, you're, you're finished the exam. Take the time, review the answers. If when you're going through the exam, if you're not certain about an answer or a question, you can skip it. You just come back to it later. You know, take the easy ones, do the ones you know, and then you can focus on the ones that you're less certain about. Or might need some math because we're asking about subnets. You're also not penalized or penalized if you answer a question incorrectly. So there's never any reason to leave any of the answers or any of the questions unanswered. Again, for some reason, people do we do we use something called psychometrics to make sure these exams are fair and consistent between versions. And we factor in the, you know, 20% of guessing answers will possibly be correct, which is why if you get 20% of the questions right on the exam, you actually get the same score as if you got zero, right? Number of people spend a lot of time pouring over these questions as not just as we write them. But if anyone challenges, you know, the validity of some of the questions, we are constantly reviewing them. And just because you think there's no right answer, that doesn't mean there isn't one. The other thing is proctors are not allowed to answer any questions about the content of the exam. You know, this happens sometimes because you know, you'll have a proctor who's technical as well. We're going to play dumb. We won't interpret it for you. But please, you know, if you do think there is a problem with the exam, let us know. So once you're done the exam, we'll get the results from view within 24 hours. I think they promised 98.5% of the results will show up within 24 hours. Probably over the last 15 years, we've had to ask them where one of the exam results were after three or four days. And the candidates wondering why they haven't received any, any emails or notice from us. But most of the time, you'll get an email from us within 24 hours. Either congratulating you or yeah, so you'll get a score report, it'll tell you how you did in the major areas, as well as whether you passed or not. If you as this one show it, if you achieve the certification, as well, you'll get a separate email telling you about that as well. Right. So the first 101 exam won't get you certified, you get the 102, and then you'll get the certification. And they're, they're good for five years as well, or they're active for five years. We never expire them or delete them from the database. It's just after five years. If you haven't moved up the level or retaken the exam, which I'll get to the how to avoid that later. We just market inactive. The other thing is you don't have to take the exams in order. If you go and take the level two exams and you pass them, we don't award certification until you go and take the level one exams and pass those as well. And then we'll issue both at the same time. Quite frankly, it's most people are way more prepared for level two, because that's where the fun stuff is. I'll pick one it's kind of like, you know, taking algebra and boring subjects before you get to go build stuff, you know, as an engineer, some people. For all of our professional certifications, when it is awarded, we'll also mail out. So do make sure your registration has a real proper snail mail address. We'll mail out a congratulations letter, a full certification paper that you can frame or laminate or make it into a t-shirt. I haven't seen that one yet. I'm sure they will. And we'll also give you a wallet size card for that certification as well. If you don't receive it within a month, let us know. Double check your address and then let us know and we can always resend it. As well, you can also download a PDF version of it while you're waiting. The other thing you'll notice if you go and check your certification online is there's some verification codes. So if you want to let your employer, friends, you know, see that you really do have that certification, you just have to let them know your LPID and one of those codes and they can see the certs that you have. And this is the URL to it, lpi.org, slash verify. I believe if you just go slash your ID slash that code so you can just put the URL and people don't have to enter it, it'll work as well as the form. So update this in. So after five years, your certification's inactive. We, you know, use to recommend recertifying every two and a half to three years or moving up a level, which is actually way better than just proving that you knew how to do, you still know how to do what you knew how to do three years ago. But we actually are in the process of changing our model for governance. So like the PMI, the Project Management Institute, if you know them, or the ISC2 that do the CISSP, certification holders are the ones that are going to be the members of, or eligible to be members for the nonprofit and they'll be the ones that get to vote for the board. Anyone could be a board member because we need more than just tech guys on a board to make it functional, but it's the certification holders to get to choose them. So if any of you are certified and you don't want to retake the test, I'm in that boat, we will be using a more professional method for maintaining your credentials. We're just calling it that PDU system, Professional Development Units. So it'll involve, you know, continue education, work experience, whether it's, you know, for pay or volunteer work, or, you know, contributing new knowledge to your field, you know, writing books, blogs, articles online, well as volunteer stuff, mentoring people, you know, study groups, helping organize study groups, things like that. Those things show that you're not only just actively using what you certified in, but like most professions, you're going beyond the certification, which is really just a minimum. Like this is the minimum you should know to really be a professional with these tools in this field. But, you know, just like any other profession, whether it's a doctor or a lawyer, we expect you to go beyond that. And so do your employers. It is a tough exam. A lot of people get offended when they don't pass. And usually it's because they've been using Linux for five or six or eight years. And they figured, I know all this stuff already, and they just wing it. Most of the time, that's not a good approach to taking the exams. If you do fail an exam, you have to wait a week before you can take it again. And if you fail it a second time, you have to wait 90 days. And then 90 days. Because there are some guys that will try and just retake the exam over and over, you know, once a day. And they're just throwing their money away and then trying to brute force something that they just don't have the knowledge for yet. So we try and slow people down from, you know, same sort of thing in a casino, right? We don't we don't want your money. We want you guys to learn this stuff. And and then we want to help you prove it to the world that you do all this. So that's about it. If you've got any questions, we can answer them now. If you'd like to look at some of the details of the various certification exams, we can look through that, discuss some of the topics if if you like. But otherwise, I'll let you guys go early. I did bring some discount codes. So if anyone is interested in taking the exams before September of this year, there's some 50% discount codes to basically just cover the hard costs of delivering the exams. So don't forget to take some if you if you're interested. So any questions? So historically, we divided that world into two sides. The skills assessment, the testing and the training. And we don't do any training. It's it's a, you know, the firewall that you you don't cross, right? Because otherwise, there's a trust issue, right? We don't want people thinking that we're just doing this to get training revenue or something. And so yeah, we're just the test. Now that said, there is that sort of middle ground, which is the learning materials, right? The courseware and things like that. Historically, we stayed away from that as well. We relied on partners, you know, whether it was O'Reilly or Cybex, Wiley, you name it, or commercial vendors that are doing corporate training courseware. That worked the first decade. But we're now at the, you know, the tipping point where everybody realized, yeah, we got to learn this stuff. And so everybody's trying to set up education programs for this and having a lot of difficulty. So last year, the board changed the policy and we're now creating a base set of learning materials that will that will be, you know, free to use for any student that wants to. And then our partners as well would be able to use that in commercial settings. And we're doing it that way so that, you know, we have a relationship with the people that are using it for teaching others so that we can make sure that they're aware of updates and things like that. If you, if you go to learning.lpi.org, that's where we're going to be releasing that, those learning materials. The structure for them is, remember, there's 60 questions on the exam. So in the, actually let me just pop up a, so you'll see it's broken down into some major topic areas and then they're further subdivided. All right, so for instance, let's take this, managing shared libraries. You'll see it's got a weighting of one. That means there's one question related to that topic area on each exam. All right, and again these are the things you should focus on while you're studying. You're welcome to learn more, but these are the things we'll be asking you about. And so for those learning materials for each weight of the exam, we're going to write one lesson plan. It's structured very academically because a lot of it, this is actually an exercise that's coming out of our academic advisory committee. And so each each lesson plan is fairly standalone. There'll be about four or five pages of content and then another four or so pages of guided exercises. So questions and exercises with the answers. And then for anybody that gets past that, you know, so if they're in a school setting and some guy just runs off and gets it all done while everybody else is still working on it, there's then going to be another set of exercises without any answers, which we encourage everyone to do because honestly that's where you're going to do your most learning. It's going off to look for answers that you just started accumulating side knowledge which will come in handy later. That answer question? Sorry that was a long answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tons of them. Yeah, that's, yeah, they, we don't tell them how to structure their education programs. I mean sometimes help them set some up. But yeah, I mean they, you know, however they, you know, that pedagogy word, you know, however they think they should set up their their programs. Yes, in a while, on our exam development list, which last time I checked, eight years ago, there was over a thousand guys, sorry, a thousand opinions on that mailing list. You know, quite often they'll look at this and they'll say, Hey, this is all out of order. You shouldn't be teaching it this way. And then we point out, this is not the, this is not a teaching thing. This is just a list of what you need to know. And you structure it in an order in any way you want. For instance, when, you know, I've, I've taught Linux classes, you know, in corporate settings and, you know, to some lugs. And I usually leave the installation for last. Right, because that actually requires a lot of knowledge about the hard disks and partitions and formatting file systems. And you name it that. Why do you start with, Hey, let's install Linux, right? Better to learn all the components. And then the installation is easy. Right, not to mention, if you mess up your installation, you now spent the next two days trying to figure out why you can't install Linux, instead of actually learning all the content. So we are actually, if any of you guys know this material well, we're constantly looking for more writers to help. It is a paid gig. We do pay people for this. And it's broken up in very chunkable bits. So people get to cherry pick what they, what they teach. And here's a sample, actually, of one of the lesson plans. They, and we're still working on the template and everything for it. But I'm told that a significant portion of it's going to be released sometime around June. But by the end of the year, we want to have full coverage for all of our exams. And then afterwards, we won't release a new certification or anything without this content as well. And, and we're starting with the lower level stuff first. So Linux essentials, that's why this example is Linux essentials. Linux essentials in LPIC one will cover first usually because that's the one that people need the most help with. All right, quite often LPIC two guys, they don't, they often don't go take courses. They just start learning it on their own because, you know, they boot strapped their knowledge enough that they can deal with problems as they go. And usually, you know, stack exchange or credit or wherever they can go and ask some questions. And there's lots of people that actually I've learned that the best way to get an answer is to go on there and say, this sucks. I can't even do this. And then people will go, yeah, you do this as this. Whereas if you just go and say, hey, how do I do this? Nobody wants to answer those questions. But if you piss them off, you'll get some answers. That's not an official way to get help. The, oh, my email address is not on there. But if you do have some questions, you're welcome to email me. It's matt at lpi.org. Officially, it's M R I C E M rice at lpi.org. But because I had that address before we established our email policy, I still got to keep the old one just in case, you know, someone from 20 years ago wants to email me. You never know. Long lost friends. Someone that went to, you know, or we've got what we call a good job in consulting and stuff. You know, there's highs and lows. And so a good job stands for get out of debt. Yeah, so then you go back and be a consultant again after a few years. Once you're your spouse is recovered, triggering any nerves there. Was there anything from this presentation you were expecting that we didn't do? Quite often people come here wanting to, you know, thinking it's going to be a class. And there's just way too much to cover even on Linux essentials to make that sort of exercise worthwhile. So usually we'll use this to try and help organize some study groups or things like that. Through view. Yeah, actually, let's do a live demo of that. Go to view. And so technically view is our partner, right? They promise to deliver our exams everywhere they can. And then they set up the relationships with training centers and universities, military bases, you know, random hot dog vendors. So you can see the exams here, although they're also listed down here. Oops. Here, click on find a test center. Oh, OK, they really mean there are test centers here. Yeah, and actually, if any of you are going to some of the universities here as well, through the World Skills, do you guys know the World Skills Competition? They actually use our L-PIC to as basis for their Linux competition. I didn't know that until two years ago, but they've been doing it for a long time. And we were actually talking to some of the universities here about helping them set up for that Linux competition. But, you know, non-profits are sometimes slow-moving trains. So we'll get there. Well, we're also trying to we're also trying to convince them to add some of the dev ops topics to the, you know, and so are some of the people in the World Skills, you know, the tech guys are going, yeah, it's time to change this around a little bit. And, hey, fortunately, we managed to, you know, match their zeitgeist and and, you know, our dev ops certification is what some of the people want to. But, yeah, once once this sites back up, I'd be surprised if there were fewer than five places in in Singapore that you could take the test. And regardless, we're talking to Mario. We're hoping that we'll be able to do some paper versions of the test here as well and also help reduce the cost for people. All right. Well, in that case, what I'm going to call it a day. And I do have some voucher codes for people if they if they want a few additional ones that'll get them the the exams for half off went really high tech and burn a bunch of slips for everybody. So anyway, thank you very much. I actually appreciate everyone showing up. Quite often, this is voted the most boring presentation of any conference. Got that part of the video. All right. Thanks again, guys.