 So the first thing that I want to address is this issue of Gnosticism, where he says that eternal security or one saved always saved is a Gnostic teaching. So it's one of the early heresies that the church fathers or early Christians have to deal with. Okay. Now there's a multitude of problems with this, but the first thing is bearing in mind that this guy here, he's already debunked his own argument. We already saw earlier in this video that he said don't follow the church fathers, you know, we go to the Bible. Well, okay, well, I don't really see why it's an argument then, but there you go. So the second problem is that they always try and make these early Christians as if they're super close to source, like really close to the truth. But we can even open the Bible and see that Jesus was dealing with heretics like the Pharisees and the Sadducees and this that and the other. Paul was warning us against heretics. The book of Revelation was warning us against the Nicolaitans and all these things. So if there were all these heretics in the time of the Bible and there are all these heretics now and there have been all of these heretics for hundreds of years, like what is remarkably pure about the second or third century? It's just bizarre. And the thing is most of what we have of what early Christians wrote has been preserved by the Roman Catholic Church or maybe the Eastern Orthodox Church. Now some of the early church folk were heretics and believed in weird teachings themselves. They weren't necessarily all consistent amongst each other what they even believed. And if something is rejected by most Christians such as eternal security or faith alone or whatever it might be, then why would the Catholic Church preserve the writings of people who proclaimed that? Well, they wouldn't. So this idea that we need to rummage through history until we find something somewhere of somebody saying something that we want them to say, well, you know, a lot of historical records have been lost, paper perishes. OK. And who's who are the church? Who are the Roman Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox Church is going to preserve? They're going to preserve people that preached against the doctrines, they believe, or they're going to preserve the writings of people who are in favor of what they actually believed. There's a lot more that I could say about that, really, but I'm not I'm not going to delve into it because it'll just get too off topic. So in this video, he noses is in the church today, he does an interview with this guy called Chip Lutik. And these two are like birds of a feather flock together, basically. So he holds up this book against heresies written by Irenaeus, Irenaeus, I believe. So that's one of the books that he's trying to argue. And he is pointing to a lot of modern church beliefs and saying that these are Gnostic teachings, this, that and the other. And about an hour into the video, well, an hour and eight minutes in, this is where they start talking about one saved always saved, and how that's a Gnostic teaching. And it's the kind of thing that Irenaeus warned against. So just have a look for a couple of minutes of this clip of these two talking about this issue. And then we'll deal with it. Let's touch on the issue of one saved always saved and how this relates to Gnosticism. One saved always saved is a Gnostic teaching. It is a Gnostic heretical teach I've during the Protestant Reformation, specifically by Luther, whether he was cognizant of that or trying to do that or not. It is far removed from the historical faith and it was consistently refuted by all the early Christians. Now, I know people out there right now are wanting to just, you know, interject and say that's not true. There were people that believe this, you know, in the first, in the first at least couple hundred years, was there anybody who believed in eternal security or who believed All the heretics, all the Gnostic heretics. Yeah, now guys, that should say something. The only ones who believed in eternal security were the Gnostics were the ones who like who like Chip just said that were what did he say about the one guy that he was a child of Satan? All I got is that of Marcian, Marcian, the first born of Satan, first born of Satan. So the only ones that held to once saved always saved eternal security were the one where this were the same ones that he was calling these type of names to this was considered a huge heresy. Isn't this serpentine doctrine is in this straight from the garden? That's right, you will not surely die. So okay, so yeah, so once saved always saved or sin as inconsequential. Like I mentioned earlier, first John John says, if we say that we are without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not enough. So the Gnostics, because of their spirit matter dualism, they said, whatever we do in our bodies, doesn't matter. And so in effect, there's no sin, because our bodies are evil. This world is evil. So there's no point in calling anything sin. All everything physical is bad and evil. And the spirit is only good. Chip, tell me why this sounds so familiar to me. I don't know maybe because you hear it all over the place all the time. Well, so I mean, so what doctrine today is basically just a mere copy of this, or just a derivative of this? All right, well, let me let me just read some of the quotes here and you'll get an idea. Okay, so Irenae says, of the Gnostics, but as themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. So they're not actually saying it's not about how you live. That's not what matters. It's about that you've received this special knowledge. So there's a few problems going on here, folks. Now, in the whole, in the entirety of the video, a lot of the stuff that they say about the Gnostics is true. Weird beliefs that they had about teachings about Demiurge stuff, and divide the way that they defied the flesh and the spirit and then they therefore they say that we can do whatever we want, we can go out and see and it won't affect us. Okay. But there's also there's a lot of things that they leave out, though, because the one bit of this book he's provided, he's very selectively quote mind, and we are going to look at that in a bit. But they have just automatically asserted that Polycarp called Marcy on like a servant of Satan or whatever he said, on account of one saved always saved. But the thing is, all you have to do is just read the book against heresies and see what Marcy was actually exposed for because you can read where Polycarp is quoted as saying that about Marcy on and see whether it has anything to do with one saved always saved or not. And so what a lot of what they're saying here that they're just making accusations without really backing it up. And then they're just counting on the fact that you're not going to read it. Okay, or that you're just you're going to go in with that already planted in your mind. And so what they're doing essentially is that the picking up on this belief that the Gnostics had that they could pretty much do anything that they want, including, you know, a lot of wicked stuff. And then just by default, they apply that to one saved always saved. Of course, you know, all the stuff that we've been looking at with the chastisement of believers, you know, that that doesn't seem to make it in here, folks with these guys. But what we're going to do is, we're just going to go to source. Okay, we're going to look at against heresies. We're going to look at what your race actually said about Marcy on and said about the Gnostics. And then we'll see if one saved always saved really was this big heresy that that made Marcy on a, you know, a child of Satan. So we're looking at this book against heresies by Irenaeus. And we're just going to look at what Irenaeus had to say about Marcy on and then what he actually asserted was not Gnostic teaching. And we'll show you how that differs from free grace and one saved always saved. So in book one, chapter 27, this is probably the first mention of where he really brings up Marcy on. So he explains that Serdo was the one who taught him and Serdo taught that God proclaimed by the law and the prophets was not the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. So he's basically blaspheming the son here and blaspheming the father by saying that God is not the father of Christ. And then Marcy on developed this doctrine that that's basically the claim there. He then goes on to say to explain what their version of salvation is what Marcy on salvation doctrine was that salvation will be the attainment only of those souls which had learned his doctrine while the body as having been taken from the earth is incapable of sharing in salvation. In addition, he then goes on to say something really weird, basically. This is Marcy on preach something super bizarre that came and like the sodomites and the Egyptians and others like them. They're all fine. All the nations are walked in all sorts of abominations. They were all saved on to one is descending into Hades and they were welcomed into the kingdom. But then the goes on to say the serpent which was in Marcy on declared the able Enoch Noah and all those other righteous man who sprang from the patriarch Abraham with all the prophets and those who were pleasing to God did not partake in salvation. So assuming that everything Irenaeus is accusing Marcy on of his correct here, Marcy on went round saying that all the wicked people in the Bible made it to heaven and all the good people in the Bible didn't essentially. Well, that's not what one saved always safe believes. That's not what three greats believes at all. That's got nothing to do with what we believe. It's not even close to anything that we believe. And so you can start to say just how we're completely straw manned in his video by trying to compare it to this guy. We'll see a bit more of this come about later, but this this is crucial here where they say that they have to learn this doctrine to be to be saved. They're special doctrine. It's not that when we go to the Bible, we look what Jesus said and that's how we base our salvation on. It's all this super secret doctrine. They think that only people who get this special knowledge will attain salvation. Again, not what one saved always safe believes, not what three greats believes because we just show you from the Bible. There's nothing secret about the knowledge that we attain. Okay, so that's going to come about later. And this secret knowledge thing, it probably has more to do with Buddhism than it does to have with Christianity. And furthermore, another weird teaching of Marcy on again assuming that everything Irenaeus was saying about him is true, preached against marriage, setting aside the original creation of God and indirectly blaming God who made the male or female for the propagation of the human race. So again, it's this weird idea that God somehow buggered up creation and made a big mistake when when he made it or something like that. Again, super weird teaching, never ever met a free grace OSAS person who believes this in my entire life. Here's another one, a certain man named Tertian who like Marcy on declared that marriage was nothing else than corruption and fornication. So this is something that God says is good. God says it's fine. It's allowed. They make it corruption and fornication. Well, that's again not what the Bible says at all. It's completely opposite to what the Bible says. And he goes on to say, but this citation denies Adam's salvation, but that's an opinion entirely to himself. So Irenaeus seems to be not outright saying it, but hinting that Adam was actually saved, which is funny because Chip was just giving us all that about the serpent in the garden, a garden saying to Eve, you shall not surely die, which again has nothing to do with OSAS because they weren't saved in the conventional sense before the fall. So there you have it folks. And then here's another one where Irenaeus points out his two gods because what essentially is going on here is Marcyon is trying to divide the godhead into multiple gods because bearing in mind we've already seen in blaspheme the son and blaspheme the father. So this is the weird teaching that they had. And then here's another one where again they're blaspheming God essentially, you know, trying to separate the father from the son and trying to imply that the world was created defective or ignorant. Now you know the Bible says that God made the earth and he saw that it was good. So again it's this blaspheming God of creation basically. Here's another one. Nor is there a second God as Marcyon has imagined. So again this is the heresy that's been exposed here. Not one saved, always saved. He's exposing the heresy of two gods. That's the heresy being exposed. This is another highlighted paragraph about Marcyon's predecessor and then Marcyon and they're just mentioning their connection to other bishops and that they once taught in secret but then they were denounced for corrupt teachings. So it's not really giving us a heresy, it's just saying that they were exposed essentially. Here's another one where Marcyon was denying that the world was made by Jesus and then Irenaeus goes on to explain that according according to certain of the Gnostics this world was made by angels and not by the Word of God. Also important to point out the word certain of there because it's important to understand that the Gnostics weren't unanimous on doctrine. There were different points of view and lots of different heresies were lumped into what's called Gnosticism. So you can't really say the Gnostics believe this or the Gnostics. There were different kinds of Gnostic teachings. But this is an issue of denying Jesus' deity. Nothing to do with one saved always saved. Here's another one he's accusing Marcyon of mutilating the Gospels, the Gospel of Luke particularly where they're trying to separate Jesus from Christ. So there's Jesus and then this Christ is trying to make a distinction between those two so that it was Jesus who suffered but not the Christ which is the weirdest teaching I've ever heard. But nothing to do with one saved always saved funnily enough. Here's another highlighted bit of Marcyon rejecting the Gospel and rejects John's Gospel rejects the Lord's promise that he would send the Holy Spirit. So again nothing to do with Osas. He's just flat out rejecting what the Bible says that's what's been exposed here. Here's another one where he's again accusing Marcyon of mutilating the Scriptures by not acknowledging some of the books in the Bible essentially and some of his followers are blaspheming the Creator by making God the Creator of Evil or the author of evil which I know some Calvinists do believe it's not what free grace believes though. Here's another refutation about the Marcyon eyes that they alleged that Paul alone knew the truth and that he had some sort of mysterious knowledge and revelation that nobody else had. Again nothing to do with Osas. Here's another highlighted paragraph. Again nothing to see here folks he's accusing Marcyon of rejecting certain parts of Luke saying that some bits are right and some of it are wrong so Marcyon's followers are just picking and choosing which parts of the Gospels they accept. So again it's rejecting what the Bible says but nothing to do with Osas. Again here's another one where there's nothing new to see he's trying to divide God into like two gods that there's like a good God and a bad God or something again more weird teaching that's got nothing to do with Osas. Further qualifies that a few pages later by they saying that the Marcyon acts have demonstrated that they have invented a God they don't follow the God of the Bible. Here's another one and I've changed the colour of the text here that I've highlighted just to draw retention something is that Irenaeus references a book written by Justin against Marcyon. I was unable to find that book I don't think it's a surviving work we've only got fragments of it and so this bit in Irenaeus's writing is really the only evidence of what Justin wrote about Marcyon as far as I know. But he's essentially just an accused Marcyon of not believing the Lord that even if the Lord had come to him and announced look I am your framey or makey or nourisher I am the only begotten God he would have rejected it if the Lord himself had personally stood in front of him and said it. Again nothing to do with Osas but that's what's being accused there. Another mention of Marcyon and again it just rejecting God as the maker of heaven and earth nothing that we haven't already seen in what we've looked at. Here's another one where he's referencing Marcyon's super bizarre teachings like they try to exclude Abraham from salvation again all the bad guys in the Bible were saved all the good guys were unsaved again we've already seen that heresy exposed earlier by Irenaeus but nothing to do with Osas and again nothing that we haven't already seen Marcyon that Marcyonites trying to suggest that God is the author of sin because he blinded Pharaoh's heart again something that one saved always saved us don't believe maybe some Calvinists believe it but free grace don't. Here's the topic title of another refutation where he's trying to deal with the issue that the Marcyonites thought that God like directed the Hebrews to deliberately spoil the Egyptians again presumably something to do with God commanding sin or evil that's what he's exposing yet another mention of Marcyon with the two gods nothing that we haven't seen before. Here's another super bizarre teaching where they're maintaining that the prophets were from another God not from the God of the Bible again super weird teaching that has nothing to do with Osas. Here's another one again blaspheming the creator so nothing to do with Osas and then the last bit that I've saved to last for dealing with Marcyon specifically is that here Irenaeus is commending polycarp for exposing the some of the heretical stuff that Marcyon was preaching and so forth and this is where he mentions polycarp himself replied to Marcyon do you know me I do know you the firstborn of Satan so that that's the bit where Marcyon was called the firstborn of Satan by polycarp and I've saved that bit to last because that's what Adam and Chip were were mentioning there when they're trying to relate one saved always saved with all of Marcyonic heresies that this somehow makes the Marcyon the firstborn of Satan for preaching one saved always saved but the thing is though folks these two guys didn't present any of this to you he's just held up the front cover of this book he's probably counting on the fact that most of their viewers won't ever actually read it because you know a lot of Christians have a hard enough time reading the Bible let alone reading pages and pages and pages of church father stuff and if there is anybody that does happen to read it he's already put on their minds that this was the heresy that was being taught but you've just been with me folks we've just looked through all of these different bits where Irenaeus is mentioning Marcyon and the heresies that is exposing one saved always saved hasn't come up I mean what what were the heresies that Irenaeus has exposed well we saw it folks that the father of Jesus Christ was not the God proclaimed by the Old Testament laws if there's like a different God in the Old Testament and the New Testament all that salvation is only attained by soul souls who learned his secret doctrine all that wicked people in the Bible made it into the kingdom whereas righteous people did not all that God is the author of sin all that marriages corruption and fornication all that Adam was not saved all that God's creation was defective or it was made by angels and not by the word of God all that there is a second God or a division of the Godhead all that Jesus was not the Christ all that the Bible had mistakes in it these the the heresies that were exposed by Irenaeus we've just gone to it we've gone to source we've look at looked at these different mentions of Marcyon that's what's been exposed it's got nothing whatsoever to do with one saved always saved yet what do we see dumb and dumb as saying in their stupid video one faith always saved as an austic teacher you know see guys polycop called Marcyon the first born of Satan for believing in one saved always saved it's just they're talking rubbish there's no evidence of these they're just making stuff up it's false accusation folks so there's one more thing to address and this would probably be there the ace up their sleeve of their trump card if you will and this is against heresies book one chapter six and this is where he quote mind from in that clip that we looked at earlier so the stuff that Irenaeus says about here is more about the nostics generally rather than Marcyon specifically so you see when when he quote mind this he applied it to Marcyon but the thing is the the nostics weren't all unanimous about what they believed okay you know like like some denominations in Christianity today you talked to people from the same group if you like it and you will get two completely different opinions so you know this doesn't necessarily all apply to Marcyon it's just a very generalistic thing about you know nostics generally so this is what we're going to look at so we're just going to take it through carefully and we're just going to see again what is Irenaeus actually exposing about these people and yeah there might be some similarities to one saved always saved that doesn't make oh that's wrong though at the end of the day and actually we're going to see some similarities with conditional security here funnily enough folks so first of all and I never highlighted this and I should have done really but look look how we introduce as the chapter so so who are what what is it about these heretics what's the first thing that Irenaeus has to say about these heretics right here while they're saying that good works are needless for them themselves though necessary to others okay so so watch that right there folks necessary to others okay now is that what free grace believes no okay good works are not necessary for salvation to anybody okay so it's not well well we're saved by faith without works but you know you have to be saved with the works well immediately there folks we started with a workspace salvation then okay because the same rules should apply to everybody so we've already got a problem they did believe in a work salvation of sorts okay so you know again that didn't make it into the quote mind obviously so what what they essentially do is the these heretics they divide everything that's material or everything that is into three categories okay so there's what the first time that the left-hand thing it looks as if he's saying immaterial so that that which is non-living you know stone water that kind of thing and then right hand you've got the animal substance okay and and I guess the closest thing in our Christian vernacular is things that are fleshly okay but then these heretics themselves they think they are of a spiritual substance and it's by means of perfect knowledge okay which Irenaeus will explain if you read the whole chapter now most of us those of us who haven't received perfect knowledge were kind of a mixture of we've got an aspect of spiritual substance okay which has been sent forth for this end which I assume he means in the world being united with that which is animal so spirit substance has united with animal substance and then he goes on to talk about these animal men so you know this is getting super weird really quickly okay so you know it's not difficult to see how weird and heretical this is before we even get on to the quote minded off about about OSAS okay so you might wonder well well how do they scripturally justify that well apparently reading Matthew 5 and looking at salt and light in the world apparently that's their justification for it okay now look no normal person opens the Bible reads that that passage there sees Jesus talking about the salt and light in the world you are the salt like nothing yeah the spiritual substance merging with the animal substance no normal person sees that okay the only person who sees that is some heretical weirdo who thinks that there's some secret knowledge that reveals what salt and light really is okay and believe it or not the same mentality it does exist in Christianity today where people think well I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit and I know the voice of God and then they have these super weird teachings based on these very vague Bible passages you know they're very ambiguous when it when it's trying to prove what what they think it proves okay so that that essence of it is not it's not difficult to tell how super weird this is already even if you are in the one saved always say faith a low camp okay now look what it goes on to say so for the animal substance that had a needs of training by means of an outward senses and on this account they the heretics affirm that the world was created as well as that a save you came to the animal substance which was possessed of free will so well conditional security believes in free will they make such a big deal about that don't they and he might secure it for salvation so look it Christ died for these animal substance people so again super weird absolutely not from the Bible at all it's just it's just completely weird and they affirm that he received the first fruits of those whom he came to save and this is where it gets super weird folks as if it's not already weird enough it gets even weird from akamoth which is as far as I understand I don't know a lot about that but I think that's the Hebrew name for the Greek goddess Sophia and that's like a spiritual type God and then he was invested by the demiurge which is like a physical type God like a craftsman who created the world but he's material so he's kind of relevant kind of like a bad God so it's like this good spiritual Christ sort of invested or merging with this animal Christ this is this weird nature see we obviously have we know that Christ is God but he's God in the flesh but they've just take taken some Greek religious philosophy and just made it super weird ok and so we have the animal Christ so it's not difficult to see very quickly this is extremely heretical and nothing to do with one saved always saved off a phone and not even remotely like it but there you go so there's that there and then so this is what this is where it gets to in terms of salvation so anything that's material is incapable of salvation there okay so they hold further the consummation of all things which I assume perhaps means the end of the world will take place when all that is spiritual has been formed and perfected by the Lord Jesus Christ not quite know by noses knowledge okay so that's where the term Gnosticism comes from because it all pins around this and by this they mean spiritual men who have attained to the perfect knowledge of God and being initiated into these mysteries so what is it about about this well notice the word attained okay well it's not what they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt believe no they have attained okay well what is it when man attains his salvation it's called works it's called works salvation and what have they attained well they think they've attained this perfect knowledge of God okay so again is it while you believe on the Lord Jesus notice this special knowledge you know a bit like Satan said at the garden you shall be asked like God okay and so it's these these mysteries okay and so there's all this super weird teaching with the material and the spiritual which has absolutely nothing to do with with the Bible at all and notice well I failed to highlight this but where it says Akamoth has initiated into these people into these mysteries so it's like this female kind of Holy Spirit type of a goddess has initiated them into this secret knowledge okay so again all this weird pagan teaching and this stuff out there that you can find about like you know mystery Babylon and mystery of religion there's a channel called there's a guy called Spencer Smith he's done some stuff about that about mystery of religion so that there's some quite interesting documentaries you can find out a bit more about that because he's done some stuff about the divine feminine I'm not really going to gain to it because I don't know a lot about that so Irenaeus then goes on to explain the heretical doctrines that they believed about these animal men okay so again even Irenaeus is describing their doctrine having to use weird terms to describe it because it's just so weird okay so animal men who those who are not these perfect knowledge people they've been instructed in animal things okay so such men watch this namely as are established by their works and by a mere faith so look at that there folks the heretics here believed that those of you who fit in the animal men category those of you that haven't attained this secret knowledge you need works okay and your faith you know it's a mere faith you know that word just bringing down faith there the word mere so you know you need works in this mere faith okay because you have not got the perfect knowledge now you see if you get that perfect knowledge you don't need these works and this mere faith okay so that they're bringing down faith so it's sound like these people were lifting up faith like faith alone believe on the Lord Jesus Christ probably not know because they actually lifted up their secret knowledge that's what they that's what they lifted up so again that this has got nothing to do with faith alone or OSAS obviously and again it's this one rule for you and another rule for me well guess what free grace rejects that okay so we of the church also were filed under the category of these animal men okay so they maintain these heretics maintain that good works are necessary for us animal men because if it what if we didn't have the works it would then be impossible that we should be saved so they believed in a workspace salvation somewhere okay now you might think that's a bit of red herring because they're not applying it to themselves and this does have a similarity where some people who claim to kind of believe in faith alone are in this dispensational ruptar ruminite type stuff where they believe that Jews in the Old Testament were saved by works but were saved by faith in the New Testament well guess what heretics it's always been a faith all them New Testament so you know that even they mix a little bit of works in there well that's exactly what they're doing that there's still work salvation in there somewhere okay but again you know chipleutic epiucion apologetics they wouldn't you know they leave that bit of detail out because it's you know it's not important okay for what they're talking about and so this is the bit then that chipleutic quote mind okay but as as to themselves they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved not by means of conduct but because they are spiritual by nature now chip obviously quote mind that so then he's making it out as if Irenaeus is obviously preaching that you know everybody that is a true Christian would actually believe that salvation is by conduct okay but first of all well what Irenaeus believe doesn't even matter it's what the Bible says at the end of the day the Bible says were saved by great through faith and not of works deal with it but the thing is what with what Irenaeus is talking about here does Irenaeus even say here that we need to be saved by works or according to our conduct that's not even what he says he's just describing what these heretics believed okay and that they were exempt from conduct because works for the animal men so the animal men need to walk in all of this righteousness and and what on we don't because you know where the spiritual people okay and spiritual by nature well are the spiritual by nature because they've been born again because they've believed on the Lord well apparently not because it's all this stuff to do with the secret knowledge and this akhmoth stuff okay these are not people who believe on the Christ right so you know it's just a complete straw man it's a complete red herring to bring this up as if Irenaeus is saying that you know we must be saved by works and all these heretics were preaching faith alone and one saved always saved they weren't it's as simple as that and when he says not by means of conduct that the point that Irenaeus actually will go on to explain is that they just continued sinning okay well you know without a care in the world that will get on to that as we progress and so then because of this weird division that they make between material substance and spiritual substance so material substance cannot partake of salvation it's incapable of receiving it so it is impossible that spiritual substance by which they mean themselves should ever come under the power of corruption what whatever the sorts of actions in which they do so again it well chip didn't actually quote mind that but you know that they're looking at that thinking I see there it is okay but first of all this is not directly comparable to what faith alone and one saved always saved believe see the Bible's very clear if I sin it's no longer I that do it but the sin that dwells in me that is my flesh okay the spirit itself is the born again aspect that that cannot sin okay that's what faith alone actually believes because that's what the Bible says okay but at the moment while ever we're on this earth the flesh and the spirit haven't separated okay so the flesh itself is still corrupt it's still being corrupt and you can corrupt it all the more by way of sin okay so it's gone again it's got nothing to do with what these people believe in an ear in ace is just pointing out what they believe is just explaining their doctrine okay this is not even necessarily telling us exactly what you're in ace himself would claim so there's this example of gold where you submerge it in filth and it comes back out and it's still gold it's not it's not affected by the filth there obviously other materials that's not so so then it also it comes to pass the most perfect among them so those that have the secret knowledge they addicted themselves without fear to all of these forbidden deeds which the scripture shows us those shall not inherit the kingdom of God you've got Galatians there and obviously Corinthian says something similar as well so but but the point here right the point here is that yes okay so the Bible says that those who do such things shall not inherit but then it also goes on to explain you have been delivered from those things however Paul still needs to stress to the Corinthians or to the Galatians not to go out and do these things okay because you know we should reckon ourselves dead to sin as Paul explains but here that what the problem is with these people is that they literally thought let's just go out and sin and here they're even making a point about doing it you know the meat sacrifice to idols they go to these heathen festivals and so on and so on and so they deliberately knowingly willingly and unrepentantly participate in all of these wicked deeds okay and they haven't got any you know problem with doing that okay I was on to say you know they defiled themselves with carnal stuff and some of them have this thing about defiling women okay well this is obviously if this is the same thing that Marcian also believed Marcian was part of this same group well this is very hypocritical we've just seen all that stuff about where they you know believe marriage was fornication and all of that weird stuff so again it's this one rule for you guys and another rule for us okay so the problem with these men is that they thought that sin didn't matter okay as long as you have this perfect knowledge you can go out and sin entirely as much as you want and so this is this is really feeding the flesh okay and so they're obviously not very spiritual at all they literally go out and do what they wanted so these are not people who believe that they're sinners in need of a savior okay these are people who just you know let's go out and do you know do as thou wilt essentially so this is simply not what free grace believes yes we do believe that a man is still saved even if he has sin but the chastisement of believers does deal with that issue if a believer sins we don't go around saying it's okay to sin but that's constantly what we get accused of by wicked people like a puc on apologetics and chipleutic okay and then it goes on to say in point for committing many other abominations and impiates they run us down and us being those who fear of God and God against sinning even in thought and word and obviously again these you know a puc on chip they think they're those guys okay so you know we're running them down even though we've read all that and he's really got nothing to do with free grace at all okay and by the way you know when I'm running a puc on apologetics down I'm not running him down for guarding against sin okay I'm running him down for being a false prophet okay there is a world of difference so you know that they're criticizing those of us who actually fear God is what you're an ace is claiming here they highly exalts themselves so yeah it's patting themselves on the back well free great we don't pat ourselves on the back we believe we're saved according to what Jesus did people who believe in work salvation will they're highly exalts themselves because they have the goal to think that their works are going to get them into heaven okay we don't need highly exalts ourselves if we did highly exalts ourselves we wouldn't need faith alone okay and they claim to be perfect in the elec seed for they declare and it now watch this watch this that we so us animal people that need the works and the faith to be saved we simply receive grace for use where for also it will again be taken away from us so we receive grace but it will be taken from us sounds a little bit like lose your salvation language doesn't it folks just a little work again that wouldn't make it into chips conversation with Adam would it because you know that that wouldn't fit their narrative would it folks so but they themselves they have grace as their own special possession okay because of their secret knowledge again nothing to do those ass this has descended above by means of an unspeakable and indescribable conjunction okay and on this account more will be given to them they maintain therefore that in every way it is always necessary for them to practice the mystery of conjunction okay so again this is to compare this to one saved always saved it's entirely a straw man they've completely quote-minded and they basically lied about what you're in ace is actually exposing here okay so you know mister we need to turn from all our sins to be safe well guess what you lied about this so to hell for you buddy and notice again notice this word they maintain it's always necessary for them to practice so well then what happens when they stop practicing folks I wonder if they lose their salvation will never know because here in ace doesn't say too much about that but and then they again talks about this who so ever if this world has intercourse with woman shall not attain the truth because he has acted under lust so again it's this thing of one rule for them another rule for us because you know it just told silly that they defile women so you know it's this hippie critical belief system that they've got going on there whereas you know it tops it off there saying it's not at all necessary for us so you know they're just making two different rules for two different people essentially and again there's that good works can you see we the animal men we need the good works but you know spiritual people we have our special knowledge so we're all good okay so none of that has anything to do with one saved always saved it has to do with one rule for you and another rule for you and what were the rules well according to the rules for you work salvation okay so you know that that's entirely the opposite of what chip and Adam actually said that this passage is even about so let's just top that off by quickly comparing what we believe then so nosticism what you know this is assuming that what you're in a said was actually true by the way the salvation is exclusive to uber spiritual people with a secret or special knowledge okay or animal men need works and mere faith to maybe attain salvation whereas in free grace as I advocate we believe that salvation is by grace through faith without works chip loot a minute loot a can Adam from epic using on apologetics they believe that salvation is achieved by grace through faith with works the nostics believe that we who are spiritual can sin as much as we like and we shall not be corrupted but you animal men you need works and faith so you better not be walking in sin now they didn't die even a stink directly mention where the salvation can or cannot be lost but you know he did mention stuff about grace could be taken away from you things like that although sin doesn't cause it to be lost for that at least for the super spiritual people there is no mention as to whether one can lose or depart from the secret knowledge but there was a maintenance like sentencing there well free grace teachers all have sinned and come short of the glory of God there is present tense not to just man upon the earth who does good and sins not if we sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin in other words Jesus doesn't have to die all over again but we can expect to fear for looking for judgment and of course that's he bruised 1026 quoted correctly as for chip ludic and adam well they believe Jesus blood only covers your past sins going forward you must obey to do no more sins otherwise Jesus sacrifice stops being effective and we can lose our salvation and that's he bruised 1026 quoted incorrectly okay and I'm going to go out on a limb here folks that actually based on the stuff that Irenaeus has said about these people from what we've read they have weight these nostics have way more in common with chip ludic and adam than they have with me or anybody that believes in free grace and let me qualify that you see the nostics had this one rule for me and another rule for the well you be saved by works and faith I'll be saved by special knowledge that's what they believe well free grace we believe that God is not a respecter of persons the same rule of salvation applies to everybody these two guys need saving exactly the same way as I need saving it's just some will accept it and some won't but what what do they say that you must do well they say you must obey your way to heaven okay they have a workspace obedient space salvation but the thief on the cross was given a special exemption apparently we they lied about what Hebrews 1026 really means they took it completely out of context to teach something far different from what the chapter actually teaches they lied about what about Osas being a nostic teaching the Irenaeus exposed they lied about poly carp calling Marcy on the first born of Satan specifically for preaching one saved always saved lies lies and lies so these men want to go around telling you how you must work your way to heaven and you will lose your salvation if you don't obey your way to the bitter end so okay for them to bear false witness though and already folks I can see in my mind I can picture it if they ever watch this video I can picture that one million and one excuses that they have about why they're not really lying and I'm misrepresenting them and they are obeying and they never like us they've turned from all their sins I can just I can hear all the excuses as to why they're not actually lying and I can just imagine all of their sicker fans who are even dumber than they are to listen to them giving them excuses and just constantly rejecting the truth and then you point all this stuff out to them like well you still need to obey your way to heaven like even when you've just proven them wrong and proven that they're not saved by their own standards and it's tragic and it would be utterly hilarious how moronic the whole thing is if it wasn't for the fact that people are going to hell for this these men are splitting hell wide open that's what makes this not funny when it should be hilarious how ridiculous and incoherent their argument points are and just how they have no integrity at all they fail their own gospel but again I can hear the lies and excuses it in head that they're just going to make to dance around it and I can hear the what about or is as well well what about when he said this what about when he said that what about this bit right what about that Bible verse because that's all it is with these people it just well what about this and then you answer that well what about this and then you answer that and what about this I can hear it all folks the excuses and just the dances around that they want to get away from the fact that they have borne false witness it's as simple simple as that and so that's I'm going to leave the Gnostic stuff there I think I've done my best to try and prove the point there is other stuff in this video that I could go through like they do the same thing with free grace again they make free grace as if it was a Gnostic teaching that Marcy on believed and that's why well the thing is we've already gone through loads of stuff about Marcy on and we just saw that one saved always saved and even free grace he just didn't come up as a subject matter really it's completely irrelevant so that's all I can say about that and really dealing with one of these idiots is bad enough but dealing with two of them is too much so let's go back to him let's go to the Bible now let's see how long we can spend going through a lot of the passages that he uses and as well as OSAS I guess we're going to deal with faithful on as well because they kind of go hand-in-hand just like work salvation and conditional security go hand-in-hand as well