 IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN IMAGIN ...and he must have been briefed of the deliberations. FKE, the Federation of Kenyan Employers, was represented. In fact it is represented. Faith-based organizations are represented. Nat is represented. Ministry of Public Service is represented. Kenyan Medical Association is represented. And the Ministry of Health is represented. So my question is very simple. Where were these people who are telling us they were not consulted? We had someone in KOTU in that board meeting. But now again Kenyan should be very keen about their representation. Do we have weak representatives for Kenyans in the NHIF? Because when you are talking about stakeholders and the stakeholders that KOTU has sent there, faith-based organizations have sent there, is doing nothing in that board, then those representatives should just be sent packing. Then I think in such a representation a question would be what their voices had. Maybe KOTU is saying we were not consulted because they raised an issue that was not addressed or they were ignored. Let them show us board minutes that KOTU representative refused to sign. Because these decisions are signed by a certain quorum. Let FKE come today and tell us this was our dissenting voice. But as long as they do not have that, Kenyan wanafa wajwe wako pekeyao and that is the truth of the matter. So people in Nairobi who go to Nairobi Hospital, who go to Agakan Hospital and MPSHA using their employers, in fact KOTU's money, workers' money to pay for a private scheme are telling us now that they were not consulted. Consulted by who? They were there. So anybody who says he was not consulted it is from KOTU, FKE, faith-based, not Minister of Public Service or Minister of Health should show us, should nowadays we screenshot. Let them screenshot. I don't want to say who's way. Let them screenshot. They are dissenting voice in those minutes. Alright, in the next one and a half minutes maybe you could give us your recommendations and what you feel is the way forward about this whole thing. Should Kenyans go for it? Who is our saviour and what should be done? Well, Kenyans here they are between a rock and a hard stone. The regulations have already been made public and unless the National Assembly saves us we don't have any other saviour. If you refuse to pay as a Kenyan you are already defaulting and when you will be paying KOTU will come again and say we were not consulted. So the National Assembly should pick those particular circular, I'm happy the health committee has said also they were not consulted or the discussion was not taken to them for approval. Let them get those regulations and work on them advice on the best way possible. Kenyans should not be ignorant because here now we are talking about expectant mothers if you don't register your pregnancy and pick your card within the first three months you won't enjoy those services. So Kenyans also should be very vigilant and be very keen on what NHIF is doing and everybody is doing. But as we speak we may find ourselves being bound by these regulations unless the National Assembly especially the health committee in parliament saves us. Alright, many thanks for coming and sharing your opinion in regards to this NHIF circular that was released. Hopefully the National Assembly saves the Kenyans and if you're back home you've had kamaoja skiai maneno especially our expectant ladies and mothers it's time you be cautious because actually you need to be aware of these things because they say ignorance has no difference. Many thanks for keeping us company back home it has been my guest Jomogira an economist. Coming up next is Waimashariki, DJ Teska and Ken Relbis will be here for you. I'll be seeing you again soon. Have yourself a very good night. My name is Dereva Hilewi. Goodbye.