 Welcome to the Monday, your posterior design review committee. Staff and members introduce themselves. My name is Sarah McShane and I provide staff assistance. Liz Pritchett. Steven Everett. Eric Gilbertson. Hannah Smith. Peter Feather. Unless anybody has anything to offer before we get going, do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. Second. All in favor of the agenda. We can move straight to the first applicant. For anybody who's not been here before, we are advisory to the Development Review Board. We will listen to your application. The first applicant is for 73 Main Street, LLC. KPH Healthcare. Is anybody here? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead and come forward and have a seat. I can pull up another chair too. And describe your new signage. So it's for the former Montpellier Pharmacy putting up new signs for Kenny Drex. Can I just get your name? Stephanie Frost. It's about your last name. Our holistic. Thanks. That brought his own cage. Correct. The only thing that's changed is the name. Right, I mean it says Kenny Drex now. Correct. They're coming in for after the fact approval. Oh, I see. Both signs are just the both. Yeah. This was different from what was there now. Usually that's a problem when people do that. Door sign is the door in the back. And over here, yes. Yeah. Actually I think it looks better than the Montpellier Pharmacy sign because that was a long, lots of letters. Any other comments? I can go through. There's a set of criteria that we use for the design of the signs. One, a preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district involves a historic structure acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials acceptable. Impatibility proposed landscaping is not applicable in this application. Location and appearance of all utilities no change in the lighting. Right. Breaking mission of respect for view quarters and significant vistas including gateway views of the city's state house acceptable. Conformance with city's gate placement and design recommendations acceptable. Compatibility with subject property and adjacent properties acceptable. Show not obscurity in the significant architectural details acceptable. Consistency and uniformity of multiple signs not applicable. Illumination of existing lighting. Penits and banners prohibited. Visual letters fixed painted or engraved directly. The billy sign and the sign ban is acceptable. There are new regulations, signs. Your recommendations are just provided to the office and then the permits issued. There's no going to DRB anymore for signs and simple alterations. So for this project your permit will just be issued in the coming days. Sign that just above my name. It might take a few days to get it issued but otherwise it will just come to you in the mail. So you're free to put it up anytime. You understand that. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming. The next application is 415 Berry Street over Lake Park. Mr. Cheney, come forward. Is that your protection or ours? Both. If you're eating it, buddy, we'll all be protected. So did you find the dogs? I did. I found the dogs. It was close, but I made it. Did your dogs take off? My dogs took off, yes. And so I was calling Sarah on a panic because I was both A on the committee and B presenting a word that I wasn't going to be able to make it. I just feel terrible. But here I am. The dog came home or you found it? Well, I found them. Yeah. And they were like, oh yeah, it's just I was here. This is fine. And so that was annoying. The sun's dog used to run away, but it got more and more if you just waited he'd come home. Yeah, normally they do, but I had to be somewhere. So I was like, you know, trying to be somewhere. Do you guys have paper of what I'm hoping to do? Yes. So this is actually, I've been away for the past two weeks. I didn't get to finish this. This is an incomplete application in that I've been asked by Chris Lumbra to also put in a ramp. So in this drawing has no ramp. So I guess mostly this is just a, hey, this is an idea that's happening. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions? And then I'll probably have to redo the drawings that show some sort of wheelchair accessible ramp as to how to get into that business. What was the ramp? You have an idea? Yeah, it feels like as you're entering the building to the left there's sort of a long sort of space there. Do you look at the stairs at all to see how they're, they seem like they're not the right rise. There's something wrong with it. Yeah, I know Jesse wants to replace them. Yeah. I mean, I think they're pretty well. Pretty well shot. Yeah, pretty well shot. And I didn't, I did not check their rise and run, but I do know that they're good to do at the same time. It would be good to do it at the same time. I think he may want to do it sooner rather than later though. I don't quite know how all that, what his real plan is there. But if we can, we can do it at the same time. This project is not a foregone conclusion that buddies can, you know, so we're trying to see if we can get the permits to do it. And then there's some negotiations between Jesse and buddies as to whether they can financially make it work. Have you thought at all about the ramp? I haven't thought too hard about the ramp. That would give you a ramp into the... Well, that's the point of it, yeah. My thought is the ramp, what I have thought without doing any hard drawing is that it would probably be some sort of switchback that would allow to enter that landing that's at the top of the stairs there. At the level I think that's close to a five foot radius at the top of the stairs. I don't know that, but that's my hope. You could figure all that out at the same time. Yeah, well that's, yes. I just didn't have time to do that. The bulkhead? Yeah, we're going to cover that right up. It's to the right of the stairs as you go in there. Oh, I see it. You can sort of see that photograph there. So the deck would be on top of it? Yeah. Other questions I have? Has Chris talked all about the grading you're talking about because that's very climbable by kids. Usually they don't like that. Yeah, no, I don't think he cares about that. You know, I did all the railings at Aegean that are all horizontal. There's no code that precludes just as long as you can't get a four inch sphere. They don't care if it's vertical or horizontal. Just don't attach iPads to it. Right. No, I bet. No, that's good. Insurance recommendations also four inch spacing. Yeah. Anything commercial residential is fine as long as it meets that. Yeah. Can't remember the shape of the building exactly the roof line, but does, if you had the ramp here, right? Yep. Is that a? That's the gable end. It's the gable end though. That's better. Yeah. Okay. Remember because it comes up on that sign. So just counting the other risers, seven risers, sorry, five risers at seven inches about 35, so about 36 inches. So you need 36 feet of ramp. Yeah, it's a big ramp. So you're going to have to start at the stairs and go up and probably make that. Yeah, I haven't dove into it yet. The other thing you can do with me is so that you can have a folding. Yeah. We'll probably. Dump itself actually. You can't just suck that room and let some so you can. Yeah. Access the bulkhead if you need it. The last thing you want to do is have to start pulling the screws out. Right. January. Right. Right. Chopping joists. To get some new equipment in the basement. Right. Exactly. I would almost think about doing it coming at the ramp from the other side. Out towards the closer very good. Go to Berry Street. Switch back over on that side. I think the problem with that is losing parking. There's a lot of parking. Can come in the front door. You're saying? No. No. Just move the ramp to the Berry Street side of the current. Yeah. Switch back over here. But still entering through the front door. Yeah. So as you're going up the stairs on the left hand side to the Berry Street side. Yeah. Is where I was thinking it would go. There is like a strip of green there that isn't necessarily parking up. It's not very big. Parking's always been an issue there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At the moment it's basically proposed to go basically over where the snow bank was and not lose any parking. If you can sort of see in that photograph where the rubby gross snow bank is. Basically where the deck goes. Could be lots of outdoor dining. Trying. Probably might change things. Right. Yeah. The other thing I know it's an additional expense. Yep. It might be possible to their gifts. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. Yeah. As long as it stays above the windows that aren't drawn in there. But yeah. Yep. Just a thought. Yeah. Or at least allow a provision for it. Yep. And here is like this. So it dumps this way. No. No. Doing now is kind of preliminary. Yeah. I mean because I don't have a ramp drawn on here. I don't feel like that's a complete application. But. Yeah. So. You want to do that as a separate application or would you just like to table this and then come back with. Table. Table this to the next meeting and then meeting after. And you could come back with revised drawing showing the ramp. Or you could just have that as a separate application. Whenever. You know and move forward with the seating area without the eight. Yep. Steps in that shape and having to put a ramp in this in it. Really needs to be some integrated planning to make it work better. I don't. I'm fine with it. I don't care if it's table or board. Yeah. I think the ramp should be made to look like the deck. So it all kind of is one unified thing. And again I don't. It's not guaranteed that this project is going forward. So the steps are probably the need to be done. This is. Who knows if it can actually happen. Jesse would love to see it happen. I guess to me it probably makes sense to table it and come back with the ramp. You're working there. You don't have to go far for lunch. It's true. I don't know if it seems like people understand what's going on there. No. That front. It's you know this is proposed to be left as it is a galvanized looking thing. And then the kind of bar that runs across the top of it would also be like up then galvanized. Kind of just sort of like a place to set your burger in your shake while you're eating. There would be one or in the back area would be tables and then in front would be all kind of stools. So that's a short bar like 19 inches. Yeah. Maybe 16, 18 something like that. Yeah. You got it. Any lighting? No lighting. Then what's already there? And if you decide to, you know, if they want anything, just throw something in if you're going to table it. Throw something in. Yeah. Just as a possibility. Right. And then we can. In case they want to add it, you know, you have like two years after. Right. Okay. Great. Yeah. So they can add it any year from when they do that. They decide, well, it's really nice. But in real I like to be open a little bit longer. Right. There's some lights out there. There's some lights out there. Sure. That's a great idea. We'll do that. Okay. We'll table it. Do I hear a motion to table the application a little? Second. Second. All in favor of table. We'll see you at the next meeting. All right. Great. I don't know whether you're going to stay or not, but one of the things I wanted to make sure everybody was aware of our Wednesday night meeting. Yep. And hope everybody can attend. Yep. And then we have a 30 on the HVC sponsoring their first like kind of kickoff meeting to update the design review regulations. Our consultant will be there. He'll provide a basic overview of design review and historic preservation in the district and answer questions. And then we hope just to have kind of an open. An open discussion and ask people to tell their like little stories about what they love about Montpelier or a special like memory or a special place or anything like that. And just to have get people's comments and feedback. We'll have cookies too, insider. I think your bank deck is a good example of what can get through design review. Yeah. I mean people say it's going to stop me from doing anything. If you could talk about that for two minutes, it would be great. Sure. Be happy to. The Asian. The Asian. I mean it is amazing. I get a lot of feedback from people about how did that ever get through design review. They love it. And I think it's great. But we have this horrible reputation of like stopping every project. Most of it. I'm just going to go back and look at the last three or four years. I think the purpose of this. I'd share the preservation commission. I want to have a really open process so nobody can come in and say, well, I didn't know about that. I didn't have a chance for input. And we're purposely doing the input right at the onset. We haven't even drawn the boundaries yet. So I don't know how much things are going to change. I think currently it works pretty well. But a lot of people think it doesn't. That there was that got canceled because of the snowstorm. The some guy that was doing a TED talk about sort of. That's rescheduled for June. June. Okay. Like creating a sense of place and sense of community. Yeah. Just sort of like intentionality around creating their place. Yeah. That seemed like a good thing. I'm sorry. It got canceled. It's in June. Good. Great. Thank you. Why don't we move on to the minutes. And for June the 19th. I will present. Present. I want to move those. You don't have the year right though. You don't have the year. The year. Like 10 months old right there. Well they're old. Yeah. Because we haven't had the same three people here. But now we do. Yeah. So we need to read this. You get to the Guinness book of longest lived minutes. At the three of you take a look at it. And if you like it somebody make a motion to. memory is so fresh from last June, let me see. I'm not sure about the spelling of that word or not, but I wasn't there, but I do really familiar, so I would move to approve these minutes. All second. All in favor of approving the June 19th. I don't want to let them go now. I have Monday March the 19th, so please myself. They came back with pretty good drawings, so you could understand. Oh, this was the... Fan door. Second. All in favor of the minutes. Anybody have any other outstanding minutes? And then I had the election of chair and vice-chair. We were supposed to do it back in January, but I forgot to put it on the agenda until... Where'd you come up with that crazy idea? Mostly because I don't want to be. He does such a good job reading through all the criteria. It's handwriting. It's funny. It's inconsistent. I second that motion. Next meeting is April 16th, and I'm not sure what's on the agenda so far. I don't think we have any... Well, I guess this project, if you're ready for that. Other than that, I don't know of any others that are on the agenda. I did meet with an applicant today that they might come through for informal kind of feedback, but I'm not sure if it'll be ready for the 16th. Okay. I'm going to stick around for development right here. Okay. Does anybody have any other comments, questions, or anything to add? Wednesday, 6.30 in this room. Yep. And we're not expecting a really late meeting or anything like that. We hope to have it atop an hour, hour and a half or something like that. And if you can only stay for a few minutes, don't feel obligated to stick to the whole thing. The way the city set this up, and I don't know how this happened, I think the Planning Commission has, you know, you start Preservation Commission, writes the rules for design review, and design review to be a real part of this. We're going to have a pretty open process. We're going to have some working sessions. I think the current thing works pretty well, but I think we want to be a little clearer and try to set some, you know, try to do some definitions of what is compatible so that it's a little more clear to the applicant. I think that's really what we're going to say, you know, is to make things easier for the applicant than what we're looking for. It's David Raphael, right? It's pretty good, I think. Yeah, he's, you know, yeah, he's got some pictures of Sarah Sand and, you know, it's obviously going to be an advocacy for design review. I'm going to invite Ben Hoffman. Good. You know, that's good, and some other people. So, Sarah's done a great job with sending stuff to the Planning Commission, the mayor, the new mayor, and all of that. We hope for a good turnout. Good turnout. Second. All in favor, adjournment. Make sure you're happy.