 Coming up on DTNS your TV is too old says Netflix Disney plus is coming and do we need a new operating system so darn often This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, November 8th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane This is Allison Sheridan from the pod feet podcast Empire And I'm Roger Chang the show's producer. We were just talking about uh vaccinations and Roger's plans for a 3d version of himself in the future to be on archive.org look for that coming soon If you'd like more details, of course, you have to subscribe to good day internet at patreon.com slash DTNS Let's start with a few tech things you should know come on All right, i'm here 10 cent has enabled the ability to link a wechat pay account to international bank cards visa Mastercard American Express discover global network and jcb Previously a user needed a chinese bank account to use wechat pay Which is the dominant way of exchanging money in china the move hopes to tap into foreign workers and tourists Bloomberg reports that alibaba plans to raise up to 15 billion dollars in a hong kong IPO according to sources The company had reportedly aimed to list on the exchange over the summer But delayed due to pro-democracy protests in the city Sources say the company is preparing for the required listing hearing mandated by the exchange Which could take place as early as next week US representative bobby rush who is chair of the consumer protection subcommittee in congress Wrote a letter to comcast CEO brian roberts saying it is my belief that the comcast corporation needs to be broken up This is in reaction to the us executive branch coming in on the side of comcast in a Discrimination lawsuit brought by the entertainment studios Which is headed up by a man named byron allen that discrimination case is appearing before the us supreme court november 13 allen accuses comcast of discrimination in its decisions not To carry cable television networks from entertainment studios representative rush supported comcast acquisition of mbc universal back in 2009 But he's not so happy with them these days All right, let's talk about disney Let's do it in an interview disney ceo bob iger said that the disney plus streaming service will be available On fire tv devices in samsung and lg tv's at launch in the us Which is coming tuesday november 12th just a few days from now disney plus will also be available across google apple microsoft and roku as well disney also announced more details about disney plus's international rollout with the uk germany france italy and spain getting the service on march 31st of 2020 Within the next week disney plus will be available in the us canada the netherlands australia and new zealand iger also said that disney plus will release more than 60 original movie and tv shows Each movies and tv shows each year and fx and fox searchlight will have designated homes on hulu starting in march Yeah, i mean this is getting a lot of attention. Don't get me wrong But i i think it may be lost on some people who follow this more closely like we do How important this is this is the streaming service that everyone knows about And even people who don't get netflix are likely to try signing up for i think for a lot of people This will be their first streaming service And this is the kind of thing that can then pull people into streaming when they say oh, this is how this works Well, that's interesting. You mean i can get other things this way Could be the moment we point back to and say that's when the cord cutting wave really finally Had its inflection point Is it might Misinterpretation or is this sort of like disney's game to lose? I mean They've got everything so they've got all the really really cool stuff and for some reason they have I think they've priced it Like at least half of what it should be maybe a third of what it should cost And so all they have to do is put it out there. I mean, we already know what's in there. It's awesome stuff It's all the stuff we want, right? Yeah, I know. I think you're right. Like this this kind of takes out of the equation Uh, will they like the content? Well, I mean, yes, there are people who aren't going to like all the content on disney But man, those are few those are a small amount of people. There's there's something for everybody in there There's classic disney stuff. There's high school musical stuff. There's marvel. There's lucas film There's national geographic. I mean, it's it's all over the place So it's it's less likely that somebody's not going to find someone something they like and like you said the price is pretty affordable too Well, and I think that that's a big part of the strategy, right ellison you mentioned, you know, it seems almost underpriced Well, that's how you get in there, you know, you get get into disney plus you get used to it You like it netflix has done this over the years as well Well, we're raising our prices incrementally not too much, but it's going to be a little bit more expensive and people go Well, I like netflix. So it's you know, it's it's that is the better way to do this because they are on a very competitive playing field at this point Well, and the last thing they took care of this time is is platform too Like if you've got a fire tv a samsung tv at lg tv, you're no longer like wait, am I going to get this? Yeah, the answer is yes. You you can get it if you want But price wise if you get a free disney account, it's like three and a half bucks a month I mean, that's that's bananas low. That's it. I don't even I mean That's paying for three years. Are you worried? You are you worried? They're not going to make enough money, ellison I you know, you could probably pay more Maybe I should check into that We just want you to survive disney We're worried about you disney. No, I think I mean, yes They they can raise the price later too, but they a lot of this is sunk cost for them They already own the rights. They didn't have to negotiate the rights for most of the stuff, right? Um, although they're giving up Revenue that they would have got if they had licensed it out to somebody else But I think six ninety nine a month from a lot of people might make up for that. We'll see Hey, I want to do a follow-up on the report yesterday Remember we talked about the fact that people receive text messages originally sent on february 14th causing a lot of uncomfortable situations The verge reports that a company called Cineverse Which provides third party networking services to mobile carriers Says that was us a single server was to blame. That's why it didn't happen to everybody The server failed on february 14th and so any messages it had On it waiting to be put into the queue Stayed on that server until it was brought back online november 7th at which point once the server was fired back up It said, oh wait, we got some messages in the buffer. Let's let's ship them out now Uh, they had been trapped there since february 14th There is no explanation yet why this server went down and didn't get noticed Which is I I'm that's kind of the next obvious question Is like really nobody noticed that a bunch of messages were missing and you didn't you didn't figure out that the server was offline But that is at least the technical cause Now have we heard yet of the class action lawsuit of all of the relationships that broke up because people thought they did not get Their valentine's day greeting from their valentine Oh, well, actually no, we haven't but I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't something along those lines Eric, uh, emailed us Noting that, you know, there could be actual fallouts where people might bring court cases Because somebody has restraining order against someone else and they get a message, you know, and and you know, we're going on a year Even if that person didn't do something wrong That sounds like a very strange loophole to have to explain to authorities Yeah, really that'll work Well, netflix announced it will no longer support some older tv's and roku starting december 1st If you have a samsung tv from 2010 or 2011 a vizio tv that is four years old or older Or one of the following roku's roku 2050 x 2100 x 2000 c hd player sd player x r player and x d player This has become a more frequent occurrence with hulu recently dropping support for lg tv's made before 2014 Yeah, on the one hand, uh streaming stuff is maturing right because we're getting to the point Like we are with phones where you could no longer get uh updates for certain things It was funny when I first read this I was like, oh no I have kind of an old samsung tv it's circa 2013 So i'm i'm in the clear, but I also don't use the app on my tv I use you know other devices that I that I that I plug into my tv and that I control them the way that I want to So it's a principle thing And I think but but there are a lot of folks that do do this So it's it's it's unfortunate particularly for the lg folks because 2014 was not all that long ago when you're talking about tv's Right right. Well, I'm surprised you were able to find this time or the the actual models because I went to netflix's website And it said supported roku models and I clicked on it and it did not show me what models were supported under roku Luckily, they had a little survey saying did this answer your question thumbs up or thumbs down Yeah, this uh this came uh via a couple of different blogs that were reported back through the bbc uh these model numbers But yeah, it it seemed like netflix wasn't really uh excited about telling everybody which stuff They were going to stop supporting. They are sending a message through the app though So if you use the app and it's going to be deprecated. You've been getting a message you already know Okay And so what's interesting about that is a lot of people are now going to be upset about this who weren't affected because they weren't using the app, but they're like, but I could have been right And this is different than a phone a phone not being supported is more expensive to replace You can easily get like a chromecast or a small roku or fire tv for you know, 20 to 40 bucks Right. Yeah, you're not buying a new tv that kind of i'm not saying that makes it great. I think I think I I wonder if it's just That netflix doesn't want to spend the money on continuing to develop for older platforms But it does show why relying on a tv's operating system isn't a long-term strategy for anybody I don't give my tv access to the internet Don't trust it No, no trust at all On wednesday apple it specialist bob gendler found a mac os database file that locally stores info From mail and other apps to be used by siri to make better suggestion to users. Sounds great, right? Well a file called snippets dot db was storing text from encrypted mails In an unencrypted file So if an attacker had access to your system files and you weren't using file vault to encrypt your entire system Then that hacker could access portions of emails that you thought were encrypted Gendler reported the issue to apple on july 29th didn't receive a response until november 5th Apple told the verge it will address the vulnerability in a future software update In the meantime, apple suggests that concerned users shut off series access to the mail app in the series suggestions and privacy section Of settings and in mac os catalina you can avoid giving apps full disk access as well And of course turning on file vault would work as well. Yeah, you just I mean turn on file vault Let's let's just put that one right up up front like and let I there could be a really good reason Why you don't want file vault on in which case these other mitigation efforts are there But the the easy answer is turn on fire file vault Also, this is not something that most people are going to have to worry about it. It's a very specific attack I was curious allison Because on on the security bits part of the nozilla cast podcast You have a nice rankings that bart brings you which ranking you think bart would give this um Well, it would be probably in the no fire extinguisher Category unnecessary Just because it is going to be pretty narrow that you have to be encrypting your email Wanting to keep that encrypted obviously you have to have somebody get a hold of your machine and not be running file vault I think if you've got encrypted mail, or if you're running encrypted mail, you're probably running file vault too And if anybody tried file vault a hundred years ago when it first came out and was big fat pain Don't worry about it now. You click a button and you go okay on with your business. You it's No, brainer. It's fast and it doesn't impact you at all Yeah, if anything the the best part of this story is getting that word out there to people who might not have gotten back around to turning on File vault on an older machine. Uh, so you have that encrypted access This is also I I always call these an example of of good security research a security researcher found a thing Yeah, apple took a little longer to respond to this than maybe they should have but it's also not super high risk And they are going to address it So I you know I think I think all in all this is this is good news that the the folks that you want to find these things Found this one, which is good. The shocking part is that apple responded to the verge That apple actually spoke to the verge about it. Yeah, that's a good point Yeah, I don't know how that happened That was a slip up the satellite startup kepler has demonstrated delivering broadband speeds of 38 megabits per second down And 120 megabits per second up Different kind of asynchronous internet to a german ice breaker sea vessel stationed in the arctic Serving as a mobile lab for the mosaic research expedition using two low earth orbit nanosatellites that are on a polar orbital trajectory Kepler was able to allow researchers in the mosaic team to transfer large amounts of data to shore based research stations from the ship So this wasn't just a proof of concept They were actually transferring data something they really needed to be able to do The speeds are a significant jump over spotty and slower traditional satellite based broadband previously used for this kind of situation And both poles are going to benefit. We had ariel waldman on not too long ago talking about The antarctic station and the the slow internet access that they have this will help improve that for future people going into antarctica as well That is crazy cool And yeah, and and and and it really has been very limited as you mentioned tom when ariel Was was visiting us a couple weeks ago, you know, she she'd had a wonderful time But said, you know, the internet issue is is it's tough. It's tough for scientists It's tough for people who are in the media. It's tough for, you know, anybody who's who's in the in the region This is great, uh, and Uh, since I saw a video of a beluga whale Plain fetched with people off a boat in the arctic yesterday on the internet And I put on twitter is one of the greatest things I've ever seen I now want to go to the arctic because I know my internet's going to be a little bit better And I don't think enough people know that, you know SpaceX gets all the attention for this and maybe you know that jeff bezos is also involved in a project like this But there are multiple projects and kepler is one of them To to provide this kind of blanketed internet and I wouldn't be too shocked if within the next five years You know the ability or at least the capability of getting Decent broadband everywhere on the planet Just like you can if you if you have a satellite phone you can get a phone connection almost anywhere on the planet Just cost you money and you have to have the equipment. We may be getting there with internet I was brought with high speed Kepler's part of nasa is that right? No, this is not that kepler There's other kepler. Okay, because yeah, because I did a search for kepler just now because I hadn't actually heard of them Oh, there's the kepler space telescope is what I'm exactly. That's the one that's part of nasa Okay, okay, so this is it, you know, there's also brine brushwood's dog is named kepler Don't because that you know, I know you know about dogs who are named after technology Brian brine brushwood's dog while a great dog did not provide satellite internet at these feet yet but you could have He may he may in the future, you know, yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com So allison, uh, and I were talking about what to talk about on today's show and and allison you were, uh, having a conversation with someone About annual operating system updates and how whether it's your phone Android or ios whether it's your desktop windows or mac os when a new operating system update comes It's it's totally expected that everyone is going to complain about stuff And the only question is is the amount of complaining actually more this time or not, right? Well, yeah, it was uh, ray robertson and I were talking about this because I'm I'm the kind of person who loves the new shiny I will I remember back in the blackberry days loading three applications onto my blackberry at us at a stoplight once I just I just love apps and I love os and I love installing everything But the latest updates from apple the latest operating systems have been just a little tiny bit rocky for me Just run into a smidge of problems here and there and he started questioning Do we really need to have annual big giant operating system updates? Is that really something that we need? I mean we're being fed it because we want it because we want the new shiny But is that actually disruptive or helpful? Would we learn more about the operating system what it could do if it was just stable for two years? That was kind of his question and and just to be clear to everybody listening We are not talking about security updates. Of course We want security updates on a regular schedule patching security vulnerabilities as fast as possible that that that's fine That's not what's at issue here. Uh, what we're talking about is hey that uh new may 2019 windows update is here A better upgrade to get the newest features or mac os catalina is here better upgrade to get the newest features ios 13 You know android 10 etc etc etc, so I I would say my my gut my gut reaction to that is well then don't You don't have to And i'm sitting here with a machine to my left that's on mac os catalina A windows machine there that is on the may 2019 update A mac os in front of me that i'm streaming most of my stuff from that's on high ciara And the reason that one's on high ciara is that it worked from the moment it first got high ciara I don't want to mess with it. So I have not updated it. It still gets security patches, right? If we get to a point where they're like we can't give security patches that anymore then we've got a problem But you you don't need to update to the new shiny if you don't want to You know our mutual friend dorthy does that she was just telling me today that she Upgrades every other mac operating system. So, uh, but she thinks she's probably gonna do two in a row this time Which I i'm not sure I understand since catalina has been just a wee bit rougher on the edges here The the thing I think about Is I really I'm totally bought in yes every other year don't give us these big feature updates every year because you obviously can't do it In any kind of a quality way whatsoever But I want to pick and choose which updates actually were the ones I wanted like if they didn't give me continuity For example the ability to uh do a copy on my mac and paste over out of my ipad that sort of thing Or take photos with my phone that go instantly into a document on my on my mac I I live on that stuff. I love that stuff. So not that update Uh, okay dark mode. I don't care about dark mode dark modes dark modes for suckers As adam angst from tidbit says You know it depends but that's the point right is the ones that are are really important for For sarah are not the ones that are important for me Right and the ones that are important for me are not the ones that are important for you So which ones would we not have? Well, I I mean that's it's the cost benefit analysis and it's in your hands, right? I think it's interesting because I think about it from the perspective of an it administrator And I know we have tons of uses admins out there and the fact that we have problems where Companies we're still running on xp where companies are still running on windows 7 Is because of the other end of this the extreme end of like yeah, this works and I'm messing with it I don't care if you get some new fun feature I want to use what's stable and works with our intranet and runs everything and is bulletproof And that's kind of how I feel about my production machine myself Yeah, this is not something that you're going to upgrade to catalina because you're like nope Yeah, too many things are going to break and I can attest that they will Uh and they did for me when I upgraded to catalina, but I'm kind of with you allison I I want the newest version of everything, you know, because I it's like, you know, if it's a security update That's one thing but if it's sort of new features and new bells and whistles that I don't really need But at least I can play around with I always do want that but the more incremental updates One would think would be just kind of at least faster to upgrade all the time update all the time Not always the case and for work like what we do You can't have your computer down for 45 minutes depending on the time of day I mean, it'll ruin everything so I kind of find that sometimes I wish I was back at the yearly update type situation, which is a bad idea and I know that But it would it would it would require me to have to Go pace around the living room watching, you know, my progress bar all that much less So one of the things they've done at least in the apple world that makes this even harder is You pretty much have to upgrade when ios comes out. I mean the nag level and you can't just stay back a version You can't but you have to you have to work harder at it. You're right. Yeah, there's a lot of effort So I went to ios 13, which dumpster fire has been a big problem for me, especially on the ipad and I Did not heed the warning that said if you do this update and you say upgrade to my reminders It's going to break reminders over on your mac. I mean, it was super obvious. It was in big letters I think they were red. They were like 28 point font and I went Oh, I'm sure it'll be fine and I clicked through and I lost reminders on my mac Well until I went to catalina I didn't have reminders anymore and I use reminders all the time So I actually did go to catalina on my production machine now. My life does not come to an end I mean mentally I would come to an end if it didn't work But I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't miss a house payment if it didn't work Um, so they've tied them together enough now that You sort of got to keep moving with the mac operating system and I don't know that you have that problem on windows I wonder if it wouldn't be better Uh, it given the amount of people who have problems with both the may 2019 update Certainly with the october which was really november update of 2018 on windows and the catalina if The company's you know lightened off the accelerator Maybe it maybe or maybe we go back to longer release between remember we used to go like three years with a service pack between windows Uh versions so maybe it doesn't have to go that far, but maybe fewer features Maybe they're trying to push too many features into these updates I understand that they want to keep their operating systems seeming fresh They want to make people feel like when they buy a new computer that they're getting new cool things that they didn't have on their old Computer if they didn't upgrade to the brand new version of the operating system I understand that apple has a different way of doing it and wanting to make you feel like you always have a new Thing from them because you're updating the operating system But it is definitely in both cases windows and mac Starting to cause people to get frustrated because every time you upgrade an operating system things are not going to work And it seems like more things are not working each time In both camps catalina people lost mail And with the latest uh, well one of those two updates to uh to windows people lost data So these these aren't minor inconveniences. Those are those are catastrophic kind of problems They're not just oh, you know my driver for my scanner doesn't work any more kind of problems. Yeah, they're they're getting big They're getting getting worse and I I had to uh phone chris ashley to find out exactly what would have gone on with windows And it was kind of interesting because he says well Microsoft doesn't do big annual updates. Oh, sure. They have the fall and the spring update and yeah Those were catastrophic and I said, okay, so apple and windows and and microsoft get there through totally different paths But they end up in the same place, you know I mean microsoft just breaks it up into two halves of the year uh android ios and mac os i'll do it once a year and they're you know All of them will add features from time to time in an off update In fact apple has done that quite a bit more this time around with delaying features and not adding them until a later update Which implies to me that they're just not ready to do these things Maybe maybe there's just a better way of packaging them up than forcing them into a yearly update. I don't know They were also In an interesting position and maybe this is part of what drives it every year Is they were coming out with the iphone 11 with some amazing new camera features? And so they had to have the operating system come out at the same time as the phone or else You would have gotten the phone and gone. Well, wait a minute. What did I pay for this for it and do anything? So that forces the ios update the ios update is over here forcing the catalina update and everybody goes when the whistle blows And by the way, we got another yet another update to ios 13 today Yeah, no, I saw I saw I the the one thing we haven't really had problems with the os updates from from apple this time around But I have had a problem with keeping up with them because i'm like, wow, really I got to reboot this machine again. My god Yeah, that's a lot. It broke out of your hijack for me yesterday Oh, yikes. Yeah, that's catastrophic. Well, you know, who doesn't break anything That would be the people in our subreddit. They only contribute good updates to our lives So you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com You can also join in the conversation in our discord 24 7 good lively discord conversations happening all the time You can join by linking to a patreon account at patreon.com slash Dtns Let's check out the mail bag Got a good one from the Nathaniel who also sent us a video that kind of goes with the with the email for all you video folks Nathaniel said we received a catalog paper catalog in the mail from amazon today for holiday shopping Looks like they're trying to revive the experience of kids Flipping through that catalog circling their dream items taping pages to the fridge Arguing about which toy is best. Nathaniel says I think it's a great idea Especially with sticker pages and a built-in wish list Also, he notes that his cat grizzly seemed curious but not enough to get off the couch Yeah, he said it's a video of grizzly reviewing The amazon grizzly was grizzly was purring and kind of chirpy and so she seemed okay with it. Yeah, yeah I mean, I don't want any. I don't want amazon on like kids Are they gonna look back on the amazon catalog the way we look back on the jc penny wish list And the sears catalog and all that I don't know I just I don't feel like they even know what that it's sort of It's almost for parents or adults. I suppose, you know, I like a catalog No, I flipped through my west elms and my you know the various stuff that comes to me Even though I never signed up for it kind of thing. Don't think I want to think from amazon though Just feels a little backwards There is a thing in the video that grizzly sent us where you can write out the things that you want So it seems like it's aimed at kids for that reason And then comeay wrote in and said I'm worried about privacy in general But facebook google and amazon are not my biggest concern I care about net neutrality as much as privacy and i'm more worried the isp's dns servers know all the sites we visit That's why I use other dns and i'm bothered by the monopoly and lack of isp choices I wonder why we don't hear news about net neutrality anymore One of the reasons we don't hear about net neutrality anymore is because there's not a government fight for it That's been settled by the FCC for the time being The court cases are not maturing so as soon as some of these court cases come to decisions We'll start to hear more about that And there are still a few of them that haven't been decided and there haven't been violations yet So as soon as somebody's caught doing something that would have violated net neutrality that's legal now That'll become a big story But we're kind of in a period where none of that is happening. So that's that's why we're not hearing a lot about it I would have just said there isn't any net neutrality would have been my answer Well, but that would be news right if there were violations about net neutrality that would You don't think buzzfeed would be you know bringing in the clicks on that every day vice motherboard. They'd all be doing that Yeah, I suppose so Shoutout to our patrons at our master and grand master levels including ruchan brantley adam car and andy beach Now lemper Ulta is usually here on friday illustrating. He couldn't be here today But he sent us this amazing drawing featuring sarah myself and tech holiday fantasies It's also the art for our holiday greeting card So if you take a look at it you see things like you know buzzfeed no longer chasing the clicks or You know google respects your privacy gives up advertising invasive. It's a real wish list, isn't it? 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