 What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul, where we talk about the problem, but focus on the solution. And if you're new to my channel, my channel is all about helping you improve your mental health. And a big part of mental health is relationships and couples therapy and all of that good stuff. So if you're into that, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell, because another thing I do is I pull things from the YouTube community and try to teach you how to improve your mental health. So I am actually live streaming right now and I might interact with the people in the live stream. I don't know yet, but anyways, Jason Nash and Trisha Paytas, I've done some videos on them in the past. I made a video about Trisha Paytas showing some signs of borderline personality disorder. I can't diagnose her, some say that she was diagnosed and Jason Nash and their relationship is kind of a hot mess. Trisha started going to therapy. I have some opinions about that. I did a video about that, but yeah, they just did two videos, one with Katie Morton, one's on Jason Nash's channel, one is on Katie's channel. So one's on Jason's, one's on Katie, all right? But anyways, so we're gonna watch this, I'm gonna react, just talk about the therapeutic process, what I like, don't like, dislike, just talk about some stuff. So let's get started. Oh, put those, put those ads, put those ads. Welcome to my channel, we're here with Trisha and we're here with Katie, therapist, she's been on my channel before. And today we're gonna do a live therapy session, not live, but we're gonna do a therapy session right here. I just wanna fill this in here. It's kind of hard, like I remember Katie Perry did like, kind of for like mental health awareness, she did a, she did like a lot, she recorded a therapy session. It's hard because we don't know, we don't know necessarily if this is like real or a show, are they really going to open up? Are they going, you know what I mean? Like I can just see it being difficult to open up fully and do like a real therapy session and get out of like YouTuber mode when you're doing this. And like, I like that they're doing this to kind of show like do couples therapy, you know what I mean? But I just want everybody to keep that in mind as I'm gonna try to keep that in mind as like, there's a possibility that we're not gonna get full truth, full honesty and things like that, just because it's being recorded and sent out to millions of people. I'm feeling like Jake Paul right about now. You know what I mean? We're making official. Yeah, like December, we were going. This is going to be interesting too, especially with all the stuff going on about Katie Morton and her backlash with the Shane Dawson stuff. So this is gonna be interesting. I saw, I've seen Katie do some videos like this with others, but yeah, we'll see. Oh, one thing I will comment on is it's, this is tricky too. This is tricky because Katie Morton's friends with a lot of YouTubers, right? And like this like already just in the first minute, 20, like you see like kind of like her like bumping shoulders with like Trisha and joking. Like I'm not saying like me, I'm very, I'm very normal. Like I try to be normal when I'm, and I'm not a therapist, by the way, if I didn't say that, I'm not a therapist, but when I'm like with people and I'm meeting what I want, I just try to be me. But even when I'm trying to be me, there's still like this kind of separation of, you know, facilitator, client. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know. I'd be interested in like hearing my mom's thoughts on this. Like did like, is Katie a little too friendly? You know what I mean? Like this might also, these are just things to keep in mind as you're watching this quote unquote therapy session. To reverse someone that will film with me all the time and then this other person said, oh, I know the perfect person for you. Trisha Paytas, and I was like, oh, who's Trisha Paytas? And you know, I looked her up and then when I went and hung out with her, she was great. First five minutes I was talking to her, I felt like I had known her for my whole life, which was like I really, yeah, yeah, really comfortable. And I don't get that with a lot of people at all. Usually like, I'm very like. Yeah, like when we first did the video, I was like, you're so nervous. Yes. She's like fidgeting like crazy. Yeah, I get very nervous and fidgety. And so with Trisha, I was like, it was almost like I knew her in another life or something. And she was very, very pretty in person and not like her videos or what I had seen from the videos at least of her being like, you know, telling everyone off and not doing like this. She was actually pretty normal and pretty grounded and really into having a good time, which was fun. And by good time, I mean like, let's go buy these blueberry muffins like, you know, or whatever. That's a good time. And that's probably the best thing about her is like she likes some, she likes like pretty simple things. Like that's really what makes her happiest. Like she loves going in this pasta place and walking across the street to the movies. That's like her eye. That's like. Just a nice smile. Yeah, yeah, so she's pretty simple even though she's very complex. Mm-hmm. That's pretty much how it went. And then I guess, do we say like the bad part of it or no, the good part? Or do you want me to keep going? Say like if you want to. Well then I mean, we just like. No, I mean then, yeah, we hung out. I don't know if we worked together. Thank you. I know you should put this whole thing on. That's why we need to go to therapy because I feel like I can. No, but then no, it was good. We hung out like that one time. Then I didn't hear from them for like, I'd like a month. Then I saw them again one time. I started like falling and going crazy and he got scared of me and didn't call me for like months. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's a really interesting freeze frame right there. Like, God, you guys, I'm trying so hard. Like, I'm trying so hard to be unbiased. Like, I was just going to like comment on like how Katie's like kind of laughing right there. But like, I do too. I laugh too. Like, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I laugh too. Like, I'm just because I struggle with my own mental illness. Like when I do crazy stuff, like I laugh about it. And when other people do crazy stuff, I laugh about it too. So like, I'm not going to knock, I'm not going to knock Katie for that. I will not knock her for that. What I do want to talk about is Trisha. When I made my video about, you know, is Trisha showing signs and symptoms of borderline personality disorder? What they're talking about right there, how she just met him and then he didn't talk for a month. You know, they talked, didn't talk for a month, talked and she like lost it. Like that is that intense emotional reaction that people get, like very intense. So again, I'm not saying Trisha Paytas has borderline personality disorder. I don't know why I'm censoring myself because I have like 50 comments saying that she admitted that she had it or got diagnosed with it. But anyways, I haven't seen that. I don't have proof of that. So I'm just going to say, this is what symptoms of borderline personality disorder look like is very intense, strong feelings. That's what we're talking about with black and white thinking. It's like, just I love you. I hate you, right? I love you. Like I can't stop thinking about you. I need to be with you. And so like that's why my initial reaction to Katie was kind of like, eh, because like she's laughing but like that's one of the signs of that specific mental illness. And then that's when December came around, which was so weird as dating someone else and he started like, that's why in December was like, he kept asking me to hang out with him which I know is for a vlog but it's like, it would just be me and him going to Disneyland, me and him looking at Christmas lights, me and him. You know, he's like, let's go ice skating. Let's go, you know, all this stuff like that. And I was just like, okay. But you had a boyfriend at the time. So it was a good, it was a safe place for me. So I could be like, we were just friends. There's no pressure to date, right? There's no pressure to date her. There was no pressure for me to be like. But then he would say stuff, I'm at a time vlog, I'm going to reference it. Then he would say stuff like, you know, I really would want to date you but like, I just don't know. And I'm like, what do you don't know? And there was like a whole 15 minute conversation in your car about how you want to date me. You thought about dating me, but you didn't know. I maybe thought about it, yeah. What didn't you know? I think some of her, some of- Have you dated since your divorce? Not really, no, a little bit. Not really. And yeah, I just, I guess, some of the highs and lows that she has, you know, I'm scared of me, scared of me. And to most of the time, she's like perfect. And then sometimes, you know, when we fight and stuff, it's like scary, scary fights. And like, I don't know how to deal with that. And then, and also like her job where she posts like certain things online. I don't specifically have a problem with it. Like it doesn't bother me. Like that stuff doesn't really bother me. Like I choose like not to really think about it, but like for my kids. Oh, hold on, let me listen. I was like concerned about that. Okay. I'm a little more protective. Right. I was like, oh, well I don't know, this is going to be very problematic. As much as I liked her, I knew it was going to be very problematic for me. It hasn't been? Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it's true? Oh, they did. They are cutting stuff. They're actually cutting stuff. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Don't like it. Yeah. I've always been like diagnosed with like different things, like borderline personality, sort of bipolar. And literally, I don't want to- Oh, there we go. Okay. Okay, everybody. Hold on, let me replay that so I can hear it coming out of her mouth. No. All right, okay. So I do not feel bad if I talk about Tricia Payness having borderline personality disorder. And by the way, go check out Bipolar Pog. She made a video about borderline versus BPD. I mean, not borderline, borderline versus BPD. Great video. But anyways, like, here's the thing. I'm going to toot my own horn. I'm going to honk any honk honk honk my own horn real quick. For all the comments that come, you're just like, you're not even a licensed professional, dead or not. First off, I never claimed to be. But second off, when you know about mental health, you can look at something from a distance and say, well, they're showing some of the symptoms. But I don't think you should run around diagnosing anybody. But I'm just saying, people who are educated in mental health and different diagnoses and things like that, like we are making like a well-educated guess. Like it's like being a scientist. Scientists make hypotheses based on like what they already know about, you know, the situation, right? So anyways, back up off me. Someone told me once I was like sketch-of-front, it gave me like medication for it. So like, yeah, when I was like 15 years old, cause I used to go to like. Do you see things that nobody else sees? No. Do you hear anything? No. Or shapes. I've been through all of it. Like you see animal figures in the dark and stuff like that. And I was like, no. So like I used to take medications like as a kid from like 13 to like 18 of like all these different like things. So I'm sure there is something, I don't want not any medications for like the past few years. And I feel more normal than ever. Having said that, like, I know what he's talking about, the highs and lows. I don't really think of it as like bipolar or anything that I honestly, it feels to me like, I just have a really bad anger problem, which I know and I've been able to control a little bit, but I have a really bad temper. The dating thing where he didn't want to call me his girlfriend, but we had just gone to Maui together and spent a whole week together. And I was like, wait, so why don't we, why aren't we dating? Like what is the problem? Like that we hang out every day. It's like, why can't we be dating? So that was the other thing that I like. But we went to, when we went to Maui, I was like, I'll go with you. I just want to get along with this friend. But we weren't friends. Were you friends or were you like romantically involved? I mean, we were, but we were, it was kind of like, you know, a Jerica kind of thing. See? Yeah, but they're 19. We're 45 and 30. And so it's like, at that point, we were doing everything that was dating. The only thing I was thinking, because my biggest thing is like cheating or like him like wanting to date other people. And I just hate that in a relationship. And I like, we are hanging out like two months at this point and I was just like, okay, so you just don't want to be with me or you're looking for something better. Like, I was just so confused and I was like. And then when you would blow up with me, I would be like, oh, I don't want anything. I hadn't blown up with you at that point. Her upset is warranted or do you think it's warranted? No, I don't think it's warranted. I think she says things to me like, you made me get angry. Like, I'm like, no, no one should be that angry or whatever I do. You know what I mean? Like, there's no reason for uncontrollable anger towards me, no matter what I do. Have you ever been in therapy? You've been in therapy. Yeah, sounds like it. And you like, yeah. Have you heard of like eye statements versus the blame game? I've blocked all the, I've blocked all the, I have read. I've blocked all the, fair enough, fair enough. No, I have heard of that. Another therapy session. Yeah. But the like, you made me tend to cause people to get defensive and shut down. Yeah. And so if we can say like, I felt angry or I'm angry because I, it would be important to me to feel like I'm your girlfriend because I'm afraid. You know, I have trust issues and they would make you feel more secure versus like, you made me angry. Yeah. Yeah, everybody, that's huge. And I am going to stop looking at the chat. But that's huge. You guys like, like this, like eye statements are so big. Like, I hope you have all have seen my video about like quit blaming other people for your feelings. Like, you have to stop doing that. Nobody can make you feel a certain way. And what Trisha and Jason are talking about right now is how that back and forth happens and how a small thing turns into a huge thing. You made me angry. You made me feel this way. Like, nobody can make you feel a certain way. You know what I mean? But anyways, I've talked about the whole thing in a video. So, yeah, use eye statements. Say, this is me. Like, when I've had to set up boundaries with people or let people know I'm upset, like I have to let them know it is me. It is me. It is the way that I am interpreting this is the way I'm taking this. And then what that does is, is it opens up the other person to have an open dialogue because you're not using these words that are attacking. As soon as you use words that seem attacking, immediately the person's fight-or-flight mechanism is going off in their brain, their amygdala, and they're gonna wanna defend themselves and attack back. So, using eye statements helps diffuse that. So, good on you, Katie. I have other things to say, but I wanna see where this goes. I was gonna hear you versus like potentially shut down and feel attacked. I think we did break up. Like, if we break up, I should find someone that would want to be with me and commit and know him for a couple of years and have kids and to find that, it's gonna take me years and then I'll be too old, you know, by the time it all happens so far. By the way, that's future tripping. Don't do that. I mean, maybe I just don't have kids, I don't know. I'm not totally, I want him, but it's also like, if he doesn't, I'm not gonna. She also tells set of me like really send me different messages so much. There's times when you're like, oh, I'm really want kids, and then I've seen you other times Well, you do the same thing with me though. Sometimes you're like, I could have one kid with you maybe and then you're like, I don't want kids. Look, this is so crazy because they were just like talking about this. They were just talking about this, using I statements, right? And you know how it's just like, this is perfect. This is the perfect example of what I was saying. When you don't use I statements, the other person gets defensive. Look at Trisha's face right now. Look, look. So Jason, right after that, Jason says you, you, you, you, you and immediately Trisha starts saying, you, you, you, you, you. You guys see what I mean? Like, ah! But yeah, that's one of those things where it's like, any of us who work in mental health and talk with people and stuff, like we pay attention. Like, I'm like, wait a second. I just, I literally just told you something. Like, if it was me personally, and I'm not gonna harp on Katie too much. Like, again, I'm not a therapist, but everybody has their own style. Personally, like right after this, I'd be like, hey, like I would remind them. I would reinforce. Like, hey, remember we just talked about eye statements. I would say that right after. Okay, that all. So you did the same thing. That's normal when it comes to children. Nope. She didn't. If it's like waffling on regular things, like getting married shouldn't be something you go in and out of until you're like, you know, I mean, obviously you can think about it on your own, but you shouldn't like, maybe I don't know, maybe I hate you, maybe I love, that's not, that's not gonna bring us anywhere healthy. But like children is something you can talk about hopefully even though you don't think you want anymore and you're not even 100% sure, but you'd like to have the option. Yeah. And being able to have that conversation should be okay for you to both, it could both hear each other. Cause my guess is, and I can be completely wrong, it sounds like you start talking and then you get angry because I'll say something that like it's upsetting, like tips you. And then you shut down and then you're just like, no. I do. Yeah, by the way, I hope you all saw the follow up video I made about tuition and payments of why you date, who you date. We talk about those behaviors and like shutting down and stuff. She gets angry. I shut down because she can't be spoken to. Where do you think the anger comes from? Like is it always in this way? Yeah, I think I just always have a temper. I do. I don't know. I think it's just something like I can't control. That's funny when I was her age, I had a temper too. But have you had like the rough upbringing or trauma? Like as a kid, yeah. But to me, it wasn't traumatic. Like when I talked to therapists, I was like, oh, well that's the reason this or whatever. And it's like when I was going through it all it wasn't traumatic to me. Like when I think back about it, like I can talk about it and like it's not traumatic to tell them about it. And I'll be like, oh, like it was. Look, see how he grabbed her hand right there? Some of you have asked me to do body language stuff. Like this is good. This is good right there. Like she's talking about a sensitive subject and Jason reached over and grabbed her hand. Like my dad not coming around. You know what I mean? Cause my dad, like when they got divorced, we moved to Illinois. I was born here. I moved to Illinois. My dad moved back to California and basically like he saw us sometimes and then my mom had like a different boyfriend like every week, you know? So like I feel like that was like a lot because I didn't like, I didn't get along with my mom. I felt like my dad hated me and like all that stuff like that. So I think that's it. And people like believe in me is a huge thing that's always been. That might be why people like suspected borderline personality disorder. Oh. So you like develop it. It's not what you're born with borderline personality. I mean, I don't. Oh, Trisha. Trisha. Trisha, baby girl, baby girl, baby girl, Trisha. Okay you guys, you guys, this is what I tell you guys to learn about your brain and learn about your diagnosis and learn about like, I don't know. It just, it just seems like Trisha's wasted a lot of time in therapy. Like there's no, there's no reason that she shouldn't. I don't know. And like, and I'm sorry. Like this, I don't mean to come off mean or anything. I like, but you guys, if you get a diagnosis, like research it, understand it, like same thing with like a physical diagnosis. If a doctor diagnosis you with some illness, like research it, learn about it, understand it, know what's going on. Like you have to, you have to. Like this is your, especially when it comes to mental illness. Like this is your wellbeing. Like this is everything to you. This is everything. It's how you interact. It's how you work. It's how you interact with your family, your friends, your kids, all that stuff. Like understand your diagnosis. Please, please. I made a video. If any of you wanna check it out, I made a video what causes borderline personality disorder. Somebody go tweet it at Trisha right now. Go tweet out my video that says what causes borderline personality disorder? Tweet it out to Trisha, and maybe she'll read some of the books I recommend. But it can also be like a lot of little parents fighting a lot on like bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder is like episodic within a day, meaning like episode of like feeling really energized, really good, really excited, and then like super depressed, super angry, super ass shaped in the back we go. And that can be like, I don't know, five or six times a day, where bipolar disorder isn't as quick. I mean, most people, not people who are not being like really, but like cyclothymic and they like cycle quickly. But even then, it's like once a week or so or something. So just considering like the timeline of it is usually as a therapist how you would like tease that out to figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you have any of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying that like that's kind of, that's probably why you've had those different diagnoses around. But the thing is that I don't know if this has to do with it or anything, but even when I'm like being like mean, I should be so mean and so like I can be like verbally like abusive I guess. I know I'm doing it. Like I'm not like unaware. Yeah. And like, I don't know if that's an awkward laugh he just did, but yeah. I'm like, oh my God, like I cannot control it. And I feel so bad like within like a few hours I like apologize. I'm so sorry. So by the way, this is for anybody out there who has lived with or dated someone who has borderline personality disorder. Like listen to what Trish is saying. Like there's a misconception, there's a myth that people with BPD don't feel bad about what they're doing. Like they mix it in with like, you know, sociopath and stuff like that. No, people with borderline personality disorder feel awful. Like they feel bad about what they're doing. Like they feel really bad. And like that's where a lot of like self, self hatred and things like that come from. What do you suggest when? First, like I have homework for you where I need you to try to pay attention to how it feels before. Even using instances where you've already blown up. Like if you once you've pulled down, think back to like when was it triggered? Like she's she'll say it. She'll say the most, she'll say like the most hurtful thing to me. And then I'm like, and then I go, I'm done. That's it. Never talking to you again. I was taking care of my kids the other day and Trish was here and we were like having a hard time like deciding what we're gonna do. One kid wanted to do one thing, one kid wanted to do another. I'm sorry, I'm gonna pause it real quick just because I was trying to see if Katie would bring it up. The only the only symptom Katie brought up about borderline personality disorder, which I'm surprised about is that she talked about the fear of abandonment. Okay, but borderline personality disorder is a lot about dysregulation with emotions, right? And that's why people with BPD get very, very angry. They say very, very hurtful things because when they feel that like it just turns into this like uncontrollable rage, right? That they regret afterwards. The second thing that I'm gonna say though is see what Katie said, it's easier said than done. Okay, like catch yourself, notice when you're getting angry and stuff. This is why you practice mindfulness, right? Like you meditate when you don't wanna meditate, right? Because what you're doing is you're training your brain to be more present and aware of emotions. Like emotions usually just don't come out of nowhere. Emotions build up. Sometimes they build up over like five seconds. Sometimes they're building up all day. But when you train your brain to acknowledge those, that's how you start noticing that you're getting triggered before you blow up. But the other thing that is very good, there's a video out there and it's like calling off the emotional attack dogs. I highly recommend if you're watching this, go find that video. It was on Big Think, that YouTube channel and it's with a psychiatrist and it says calling off the emotional attack dogs. And he has a great, great journal idea. Maybe I'll do a video about it. But you write down all the situations that upset you throughout the week. Then you go back through and you circle all of the ones that had something in common. And then you kind of isolate your own triggers, right? So I highly recommend you check that out. And I was just concerned with the kids. Well, so then that's when I made plans, whatever. It's like not a huge deal, whatever. So she went to go to her recording studio in my mind, which was like, oh, that's really good. Like that's something that I would want to do. Like work on an album. That sounds awesome. Like go do that, definitely. And I'll take care of my kids, which is my responsibility. And she looked at it more like, oh, like I was trying to get rid of her. Well, as soon as I left, he's like, oh, we're going to do it now. And I was like, okay, because it was so tense. By the way, he's left out this part because he's also, I mean, he's been diagnosed by a fuller. He's also, he gets so angry too. And you know, you can get raging. So that morning he was just not, he knew he was going to be left out. Still going back to the U language and not the I language. Like Katie should be nipping that in the butt. Like, man, like again, everybody has their own style. And I don't know, but you gotta, you gotta nip that. Like if I just told you something, like, hell, I do this with my son too. Like if I just taught somebody something, and they don't, you know, like, you gotta train the behavior. You gotta train the behavior. Like right there, right there you should, Katie should be reinforcing like one of the tools she just gave them, you know? Like there's no reason why at five minutes, like she mentioned it. And then like we're almost, I don't know, 15 minutes in and they've done it over and over again. And she's not stopping it. He was like miserable. He even said like, I would, you know, like he had the worst weekend ever. Like he said that on the podcast and then you went to bar downs and then you were happy. So he was like miserable all the day before. I was miserable because of the fight we had. No, you were miserable in the morning, babe, when I was still here. Okay, so both of you get angry, but you might have a longer fuse. But yours might be worse once, if you're like my brother and my brother's like that, I'll take him forever to get pissed off. And once he's mad, you're like, everybody leaves. Yeah, I can't. So bad, yeah. So both of you need to recognize the symptoms earlier. Like that's something that I feel like we should all be working on is like noticing before. And I know it feels like it's like, well, like this. I'm gonna tell you one of my favorite quotes, okay? Everybody listen, if you can't, recognize it before, or no, no, no. If you can't reflect before, reflect during. If you cannot reflect during, reflect after. And it is scientifically proven to train your brain to start catching the behavior before it happens. But it's important that we reflect on it. Again, meditate, practice mindfulness, go download an app. It'll help you catch these things before they happen. But yeah, Katie's absolutely right. Yeah, but if it is that way, whatever those first symptoms are, when you're like that thought and all of a sudden you switch to be like, oh, are you kidding? And then we're gonna have to implement some tools. So like that's, we try to get, like the whole goal of therapy in my mind is like getting space, space between a thought or an emotion and an action. That's what meditation- The enterprise is key to America's economic growth. Dean Heller supports- Ah, Dean, get out of here. Like yeah, something that I was talking about with that video calling off the emotional attack dogs. Tristan remind me to link that in the description. Text me right now, say, link the video for calling off the emotional attack dogs. I'm gonna put it down in the description. But what you're trying to do is you're trying to create space between the trigger and the behavior, okay? That's all meditation does. Meditation is scientifically proven to strengthen the brain's ability to have impulse control, okay? So like this is why I love talking about the science behind this stuff because so many things in therapy are easier said than done. So like I try to explain to people like there was scientific research that says over time, this will get better just by you doing this. Like over time, it's scientifically proven that if you eat better and exercise, you will lose weight. Same thing with meditation. By the way, this is something I teach clients. I say rather than yelling at your loved one, I was like, call me and yell at me. So like Katie's saying like take it out somewhere else. Usually like what I teach people is the brain just wants to get it out but our brain gets tricked into thinking that we have to get it out at that person. And that's not the case, okay? That's not the case. Then to other people, you guys know how many angry videos I haven't made just cause I vented it to Tristan. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't have to do it at that person. So I hope you guys don't blow up on me. But if you guys want to send me DMs, send me emails, I recommend just journaling sometimes just writing all this, all your anger and thoughts on paper. The brain just like lets all this anger out of the cage. It's like triggered by like something cause I react so like emotionally, like quickly. I don't let things like build up. So I don't like think of like if something, it sounds like it's more to do with like inclusion or for you, I don't, I'm not as, I'm not as sure. What set you off last time? She just goes to the most awful place. She says like really, really awful things. What about in the past? Like right there, I'd say use an I statement, right? Okay. So he said, she goes to a really awful place. She says really hurtful things. I would say, you know, the other day, you know, this happened and I felt really hurt, right? Like, like, I don't know. Come on, Katie. You're better than this. So he set me off. I think most of the time in the past, I was like just frustrated with myself. Okay, there we go. I was supposed to do stuff that I didn't want to do ever. Hmm. So you feel like your control is taking on you? Yeah, or just like my like, I don't like that. This is real stuff. And like this whole outside perspective that like it sounds like in a way like a lot of things that are set up for you even now. Yeah. See, like, even though I'm critiquing some of Katie's stuff, like Katie, Katie's a good therapist in my opinion. Katie's a really good therapist. I like, what I like about what Katie's doing is that like she, she's careful about what she says. Like you notice that she does these little breaks of like just from an outside perspective or I'm not diagnosing you. You know what I mean? She throws those things in there. And I think that's important. That way. I'm like, I love your kids. Yeah, of course. But like that even takes, Trisha is like, maybe it's better for safe this way. Like, what area, it's almost like. So is there other things she could do to make you feel better, like more in control? No, she does a really good job at like being like, oh, you don't have to, you don't have to stress, you don't have to work so hard and don't worry about it. She's really good at that. It's just my own thing that I should be up for. Yeah. Yeah, like don't, don't minimize like your reality and your, you know, you know what I mean? Like acknowledge it. But I think just like I've mentioned in other videos, I think, I think Jason lies to himself a lot. I think Trisha lies to themselves a lot. That's why I always tell you guys self-awareness, you know? Like he was just this whole section right here. He's talking about her being controlling. And then like, this is, by the way, this is from like client perspective. Like he's talking about her being controlling and, you know, and he feels like he's not in control. And you could tell that this is something. I talked about this in one of my videos the other day. This is something that is carried over with him from his past relationship. And it's something that triggers him. Like for example, like I've had past relationships where, you know, a woman told me how to be a parent and that really got on my nerves, you know? And like that's something like Tristan does a great job. She doesn't tell me how to parent. Sometimes we talk, you know? Tristan helped raise her brother. She helps her little cousin and she has some great insight into kids. But she never like tells me how to parent. Like that's something that triggers me. But I don't know. I don't think right now Jason's like addressing it. It seems like, like this is one of the problems that couples have. They like say it. They just do a little quick, like think. They like do a little bat. They just stick it a little bit. And then they dial back and they don't finish the rest of that conversation and fully like come to some closure with it. Standing with my diary. I should be working. I should have like picked your boys in the hair. I might have dressed them up. Or like, so let's say it's the time where it was my kids that time. Like I'm enjoying it with them, but I'm also like. Yeah, I can relate. I can relate. Like we do really well. Like the last blow up was, yeah. Wait, what? What? Like they edited it weird there. Like that's the only time she really blows up. Like I don't understand the context but cause they cut it. I'll just do that. Stop it, stop it. Stop it Trisha. Stop it right now. Hold on, hold on. Does Jason co-sign her BS right now? Does Jason co-sign her BS? I don't like the cuts. I do not like the cuts in this video. Okay. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. So what's a major blow up, right? So in Trisha's mind, I'm wondering what her major blow up means. Does that mean breaking things, throwing things, getting physically, you know, whatever it is. And I don't know. I'm just giving examples, right? But they like, I don't watch Trisha or Jason really, but I've seen, I watched David Dobrik and like they talk about how they've broken up or they got into a big fight. And you know, and I don't care how much you guys want to say it's all staged. Like you can get a pretty good like barometer of that. But like, I don't think like if Trisha's breaking, if these two are breaking up every other week, like you can't minimize that and say, Oh, well that wasn't a major blow up. We just break up over stupid things. Like that needs to be addressed. That needs to be addressed. Even if it's just like notes in your phone, but even just noting like how it feels in your body, like for me, it even hurt. Mindfulness. I think there's certain buttons, you know, just paying attention and then recognizing like you should tell each other what those buttons are. So you know. Yeah, I do think like the other day I said something like, she was here in the morning and I said something like, okay, well let's get you out of here. She had like all these costumes and stuff. And she took it as like, I want to get you out of here. Cause I always feel like that when I stay at this house, cause even with his kids and everyone was just sitting around doing nothing and he wasn't making a decision as like a dad and like we're all going to Disneyland or like, you know, well, okay, I'm saying though, I always feel like I should be not here. Like I always feel unwelcome. Even like the other night, I was like, should I leave? Should I stay? Like I'm not. But that's not how it's, just making sure that that is necessary. Yeah, good, good interrupts with her, Katie. He do so that you know you're welcome. And if you did, if you did say that to me, if you stopped for, and like kind of verbalize your feelings, that would help. And I'll try to do it too, you know? I'm guilty of it too. I feel like this is the best version I've ever had. Except for that, then I'm just like, well maybe he doesn't want to be with me. Maybe like there's a good reason he's not, you know what I mean? That's the only thing that like, other than that, I really had, yeah, I have like zero complaints because he's like really nice, really forgiving like takes care of me. So it's like, it's a really good relationship. But I'm like, maybe it's not real. Maybe he doesn't like want to be with me on film. I don't know. That's the only thing other than that, other than like literally, I don't know what else you thought about. I mean, we do, I don't know. I don't know, there's just moments where, you know, there's things that I don't like, you know? With me? Huh, I'm sure like there's things you don't like with me. I couldn't tell you one other thing besides that. I don't have an issue with you. Here it goes, like, Katie almost got a little uncomfortable right there, like, it's awkward. But I've said like with my friends, like, You also say it jokingly on a vlog with David, so I didn't know that was an actual issue. I mean, the camera's not on on, but it will be like puts and pulls. You don't say that. I do. Well, if she gets angry too, I find people when we're angry, we don't remember things. We're like, we're just maxed out. Yeah, there's actually some science behind that too, everybody. But if that isn't a joke. She's not angry at these points. Yeah, I always thought that was like, I literally thought it was a joke because obviously I'm like a very addressed, but I didn't know. I told you so. Okay, so. Sometimes I get it, sometimes I get it. She's usually pretty good at it. I always, yeah, that's why I'm like so shocked at what I'm gonna be talking about. Or like, or like, or like, like, we'll go to her house and she'll have like no clothes on at the house. Like, she'll have some clothes on. I think it's almost like sweet because it's like, no, you're mine. I don't want everybody else to have access to what I have access to. I get it, but also that's like, if you knew that about me, you knew I'd go to news and you know I dress sexy. And like. I know, I know. So it's okay. Yeah, it's not really fair, is it? Well, I don't know. It's kind of weird. It'd be like me trying to change you. It's like, you know, staying on a comedian and being like, why are you in the room? Yeah. Right. Yeah, but. I know. Maybe every so often you can do in the favor. I mean. But most of the time you just do you. I wear a lot of like t-shirts. I always have like your t-shirt on and like such. I mean, like, I can think of like two opinions you're talking about. And my boob does fall out because this nipple's higher than this nipple. All right. We'll take pictures of this. Okay. Was that legitimately it? Hold on. I think they're my people. I should, I should do a video about that. Oh, anyways, everybody. Dean, hello. All right. Yeah. My final thoughts on that. I don't know. First off, usually therapy sessions are like an hour. I would have liked if they, if Katie left them with some like more actionable steps, you know, like before I stopped talking with somebody, before I end the conversation with somebody, it's like, what are you doing? Like what's on this list of things to do when you leave here, right? Like what are you going to do? And then I say like, okay, so the next time I see you, you're going to have done this. Like it's funny because in my live stream earlier, we were talking about like homework and stuff, but that's just how I roll, right? But one thing I will say about that video, in my opinion, in my opinion, this is just me and like how I redirect people. They were talking about a bunch of surface level stuff. When I talk to people, I redirect them back to the root of the problem. I redirect them back to the root of the problem. Like it doesn't matter about the Disneyland thing. It doesn't matter about that one time. It doesn't matter about this time. Like I am here to get to the root of the issue. Because if you get to the root of the problem, you understand why it happens in so many different scenarios. So like when people like keep trying to trail off and like go on all these different paths and tell me all these little side stories, I don't have time for that, okay? I take them right back to the root of the problem. Like, okay, well, let's talk about this. Like for example, Katie could have kept redirecting them back to the fear of abandonment, right? Katie could have kept redirecting them back to insecurities, could have kept redirecting them back to anger issues. You know what I mean? Like that's what it been. Those are the root problems. I don't care about all these little tiny things, you know? Get kind of a feel. Like for me personally, when I work on this stuff, it's like, you kind of a feel for what those surface level things are and then redirect back to the root of the problem. That's like probably one of my main gripes. Looking back at the whole video now, I think the video started off kind of friendly. Like Katie being like buddy, buddy Katie. But I think she definitely took the role of a therapist. So just again, before I end this video, I think Katie's a great therapist. I think her and I have different styles when it comes to working with people with their mental health. So I will say that. I've had a lot of questions lately about how to find a good therapist and all of that. Like again, I'm not a therapist. Some people love working with me. Some people hate working with me because I do have that kind of tough love. You know, like I don't let people go in all sorts of different directions. So figure out what works for you but in most cases from my experience, what I found is like you need people to kind of challenge you more, you know, and not be, I don't know. That's just, that's just me in my experience. But anyways, let me know your thoughts down below. Let me know in the comment section. Have you ever done couples therapy? What are your thoughts? Did couple therapy ever work for you? I might make a separate video about couples therapy. In my opinion, both people need to work on themselves and then come together for couples therapy. Like that couple therapy session was kind of all over the place because both of them are really neglecting working on themselves and looking back at some of their other videos, it seems like they were kind of BSing about working on themselves and going to therapy. And like, that's a whole other topic. But anyways, I love you all. If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up. If you're new, make sure you subscribe. Ring the notification bell. I make a ton of videos about mental health, all right? So anyways, thank you so much for watching. Join our Facebook mental health support group. The link is down in the description below. 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