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I thought well, I probably probably should have posted somewhere and bio cow And carl and victor They're probably expecting this to be like office hours for tom or something because it's just popping up They're getting a sudden surprise from us Maybe You know the fact that eileen and I are are doing at the show at like a crazy fun time Might get us some some new viewers slash listeners. Uh, so that would be a win everybody's waiting for you know The flagship show, but we're here right now We are we are Yeah, it's it's it's all my fault by the way that we're doing this at a weird time and I look weird. Everything's weird But uh, what isn't weird is the show. Um, and we're Excited to get going here. So eileen. What do you say? I'm ready whenever you are whenever Yeah, I'm still opening tabs. I gotta kill advertisements Tan so in the meantime, I'm gonna say hi to todo. I'm gonna say hi to adam For some reason I can't join the chat because I don't even know why I'm on a weird computer. I never use everything's crazy I'm wearing my glasses I lean. I hope you had a real chill weekend. Can I just say that? Yeah, we did, you know, um, we stayed home this weekend. Uh, I mean, I don't count. I don't count, uh, Friday, I guess I should count friday, but you know starting saturday, which is I say friday eve through friday eve. Yeah, like end of sunday. I consider weekend Okay, yeah, we went out for that was the only thing we did friday night had some dinner Out nearby and then saturday just kind of chilled at home with you know, sore the dog and just kind of It rained here. Uh, you missed the uh, thunderstorm or I don't know if there was thunderstorm rain We had some rain We we had some rain as well. Yeah, it was it was kind of it was it was kind of rainbow weather You know where you're like, it's sunny and also rainy and ah, what's happening? um And yeah, I I had to do like weird errands that I don't normally do it was actually kind of pretty to be honest Yeah, and I was thinking of washing my car and then I was like, uh, I don't have to because it's raining So There's that we had a solar storm this weekend that had amazing aurora all throughout the world except what does the solar storm mean? It means there's a Extra ejecta from the sun coming towards earth And it's hitting us and causing some radio interference and basically extra ionization of our atmosphere, which is what aurora is Which would be amazing if it wasn't so Dastardly overcast exactly on the day when that or the evening when all that was happening And now it's nice and sunny and clear skies, of course, of course Now would that only be something that happens at you know up in your region or Is that just like it's it because the reason I ask is because I had weird um I've been listening to the radio just because I'm in a you know a place that I'm not around You know listening to sort of like traffic reports and stuff and Strange dropouts. Yep. Could just be nothing But maybe that would be you know, if that that would be a factor that would make sense because I was like it's really weird It's like I'm not going by police station. I didn't just Pass a fire truck like why is my radio going in and out in the car? Yeah, that would be That would be a culprit a possible culprit. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Adam says 5g doesn't work so well next to an am antenna Uh Yeah, that could just be it too. I'd rarely listen to am radio unless like I'm listening to a something on supports So, yeah, the uh, there's radio interference, uh satellite signals There are satellites that will go down, especially if it's the if the storm is strong enough You know satellites will actually like just shut themselves off to protect themselves and then turn themselves back on at a later time Um, it can get pretty hairy and we are reaching solar maximum So next year will be solar maximum. The sun is on an 11 year cycle where it it Has more activity every 11 years than it does on the off years and it kind of peaks and then valleys Um, so we'll have more solar storms and we'll have better aurora. Of course That probably also means I'll have better overcast skies where I live because that matches aurora patterns perfectly where I At least for the last several years Man, you know weather is complicated when you really get down to it Sort of like it really rained today Should I bring out my galoshes and then solar storms aurora? I mean, I used to be able to predict, you know, oh, maybe don't travel during this time because When the monsoons happen or you know, blah, blah, blah, blah like like say to hawaii, right? Like oh, typically this is probably gonna be too windy. Now. It's like all bets are off. It could be great. It could be I mean, there's only like July is super hot, you know, and then the rest of it is like, yeah, there are certain things you yeah Yeah, you you assume to be true. I mean, I've got With my uh apple watch complications. I have my weather here. Um, in fact, it's the Most of my my watch face and I mean I must look at the weather Five times a day and at the same time I'm like, it's raining. That's crazy You know, I really I really have all All the people knocking on my door telling me what the weather might be like and I'm still surprised So when it comes to weather forecasting when you look at your phone or we look at an app or anything else The way they've done the math to calculate the percentage chance of precipitation in your area And the weather stuff like that is like the most complicated method They could have possibly used and it makes sense to no one unless it's actually raining on you at the time Right. It's yeah, it's not it's not it's not pretty how they do it Um, your producer. Well, I also just love things like 35 chance where I'm like I mean seriously, it's like, okay, so there's a chance but you have no idea Yeah, they decided they're like it's probably gonna rain But like anything under 50 you're like, come on, you know, you just sound like a doctor right now I was in the middle of a typhoon at one point and I said zero chance of rain And I was like, yeah, because I'm in the eye of a typhoon like But that's the military weather service for you man All right, guys I think I think it's yeah, it's about that time To break forth The rhythm and the rhyme Nobody is a marky mark fan except I was there Sarah, but I was muted. I'm sorry Oh my god, I got a picture. Okay. I have a picture. I meant to send to you of donnie wallberg and mark from Vegas And I Yeah, I was I meant to post this on our stories for apple vision show and I haven't yet. Um, so surprised Anyway I'm just gonna fill out my copy one second. Okay You you're gonna run the theme. Yeah, amos. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. I was like, wait, are you having a start or without me? um No, I disappeared that I run the theme then I run the theme then I come back I should have given you I should have given you the picture of donnie. Um aim is just to show I I have a um, I have a friend who um I don't know why I don't know if it's personal or whatever, but he's like I don't like marky mark You know, and I knew that It's just like so that he said to me as a statement at one point And but I sometimes, you know, I I will say to notice the dog like it's about that time You know to go out But I'm like to break forth and he's like stop it Stop it. You're doing that purpose and I'm like, I'm sorry. I forgot that you don't like marky mark. I'm talking to my dog Oh I know Yeah, I know If you don't laugh, you'll cry Yeah, exactly Give me kevin zero Yes All right, let's do apple vision show episode eight in three two Well, hello everybody and welcome to apple vision show episode eight. I lean. I'm not going to get this one wrong today You got it Here we go You know, I I I want to bring this up just because more than I think three people now have said I'm really loving the show and it felt like episode six is when you hit your stride You know as somebody, you know on a show and I lean, I don't know how you feel about it I you know, I I I feel like every new show is kind of like, oh, yeah, you got to hit your stride Yeah, but the fact that a few people said that I was like, okay Well, first of all yay Glad to hear that and also like I wonder what like Maybe we just what it was felt comfortable, you know kind of Understood what we were doing and when we were doing it the You know ironic thing about that is that we're actually recording the show off of our usual schedule because I'm out of town for some like a family emergency So So I feel a little crazy right now. So if anybody thinks I sound crazy During the course of the sour, you know why but I lean. How are you doing? You know, I'm doing well. I Uh, I do echo the episode six. I remember actually Finishing episode six feeling like wow, that was great. We just hit a bunch of topics and it flowed You know, and it felt like and it just feels like Like you said every show takes a little bit of time to get their group That's the way I feel about watching tv shows. It's like, oh, you know Just get past the first 13 episodes. The rest of it is amazing. It's like, oh my god I have to get through all of that. Well, you know what here totally. Yeah, just be right here right now You don't have to go back or you can Uh, just I don't know see what happened. But um, I you know For for anybody who uh, still watches cable or otherwise has access to it. Um, uh comedy central Has been airing Seinfeld episodes just from the first episode to the final episode front to back for I don't know How long but this is something that I recently discovered Um, and what was funny was because I can always tell by Elaine's hair. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is like the last season You know, uh, and just because I know the show really well. Um, so the other day Uh, friend of and I were like watching the episode and I was like, I think this the last episode and he's like, no No, and I'm like, no it is This is the last episode. This is the one where they're gonna almost get into playing crash bubble black No spoilers, uh, if you haven't watched it. Sorry everybody. They don't actually die. But um, but um, it What comedy central like that episode ended and then you know, you get like a little commercial break and then Episode one started. I don't know how long this has been going on But when you watch that first episode, it's like Because they were trying a bunch of stuff Yeah, it was like it was like what like way heavier on like jerry's stand-up Instead of just a little bit at the beginning. It was like kind of you And you're the characters all like keep reminding you like how they're quirky You know like ah, this is my thing, you know and and a lot of uh, Especially sitcoms do that, but I was like watching it and just being like, oh my god. It's so awkward It's so awkward, but it ended up working out. Yeah I feel like it's really rare for a show to hit its stride out the gate with the pilot So or sometimes that happens and then it declines at the end, but like I can think of like buffy the vampire slayer Um parks and rec like both series season one Let's go to season two more characters more, you know, the flow the story just things make sense because they've put They've laid the groundwork already The characters become beloved for reasons that you know, maybe Schitt's Creek great example of that. Oh, yes. Same. I agree. Yeah, I didn't watch the show when it was, you know Same air airing live. Um, but I had enough friends who were just like gosh, that's a beloved show You really need to watch it sarah. You're gonna like it first season. I was like Hi You know and by the end of the show I was like Oh My very best friends and I I even uh told a friend of mine who's even more cynical about tv that I am I was like, you have to watch your show. You're gonna love it and he and his wife You know, I think they watched like the first three episodes and he's like I we did not laugh once sarah. It's not funny and I'm like, oh, it will be and by the end of it He's like My best Now, I mean there are shows that do hit their stride out the gate. I don't know. Did you did you watch succession? You did? Yeah, yeah, yeah to me that that show out the gate. I was like, oh, I Binge the first two seasons before joining the week to week club And I had put it off. I'd put it off and then finally I was like, okay Let's watch it and I could I watched the first two seasons in two weeks. I was like, oh my god I'm jealous of you because I was watching it, you know once a week, you know It was my it was my sunday sunday thing and which is which is fun in its own way You know, it's nice to have like appointment television, but um Yeah, same thing. I uh my mom actually Which is where I'm recording the show from right now my mom I don't know we were I was at her house and she was just sort of like, I don't know Do you want to like put on a movie and I was like, I don't know maybe not Yeah, successions on later, you know, we could watch that and she's like, oh, I haven't watched it and I'm like, oh my gosh Okay, so start from episode one like and she's like, but but you're like already on like season three And I'm like, doesn't matter. I'll just watch it from the beginning. No problem You know, it's like the Sopranos for me and we watched the first, you know, like the opening credits and she's like Oh, okay. So this is like a show about really rich people who are crappy to each other and I'm like Yeah, but there's a lot more to it Right. Just give it a chance and it was the same thing where, you know, like first few episodes She's like, well, I mean, I don't even know who's likable on this show You know, and then at the end she's like You know, it's funny how they get you they get you totally they totally get you and I think I was literally was like How do we tie this all back? I think a lot of this is on apple tv I feel like, you know what? We're avoiding the topic of the day because on apple tv Yeah, you know the topic of the day we talked about pre-show and I was like, you know I cannot wait to talk about legal stuff. Sarah. Uh, that's why I joined the show You know, I lean. Okay. So so what I lean is alluding to is uh, the department of justice in the us Um Going after apple in a pretty major way. You know, this is this is pretty big news, you know, we we can't we can't Yeah, we can't really just dance around it too much. We have to address this. This happened on thursday So just a few days before uh, this recording Um, so depending on when you hear this, uh, things may have changed but um, the the the just is That the doj alleges that apple Potentially again, this is a ledge Prevents the successful deployment of what are known as super apps Meaning apps that could be on a level playing field with something that apple provides itself Also blocking the development of cloud streaming apps Allowing for things like video gameplay. That's really high quality. That is outside of what apple offers on its own um, you know, that is Hardware specifically, but also Potentially software-based. Um, also apple inhibiting the development of cross-platform messaging apps Um, this is the whole rcs debate, which Is kind of funny timing because ios 18 is supposed to uh be Going to support rcs for the first time But the idea that apple is making it hard for you to Have a good experience using an apple product and using something besides iMessage for example, uh, you know to talk to folks I don't know. I lean I Listen, um, this is not, you know, and we said this from the very beginning like we're not trying to be like a super like Breaking news and certainly not legal focused show by design we're kind of trying to have more lifestyle fun and and and and just Approach things from a different angle, but did anything in what I just said Stand out to you as something that apple maybe should be rethinking Yeah, I mean we actually had a hefty I went back, um To our episode last week with our guest jason howlin We had a hefty discussion about the green and blue bubbles On the messaging and that's not like the only thing in uh, this lawsuit obviously there's so many other Uh touch points, but we kind of covered that last week and how inconvenient that is and at the same time We did talk about rcs already. So I feel like something like that Hopefully will get resolved on its own. Um, I don't believe that apple is gonna You know lay over and just make changes. That's not going to happen. Um, you know I mean, I think in their point of view, they're doing things for the betterment of Their consumers and making it a premium experience and there's no Anticompetitiveness here, but you know, I I do feel like oh as someone who also has an android phone I do wish things worked a little bit easier in between both phones, you know Meaning like can I just share easily and the um, You know video doesn't you know a lowering quality when I transfer on a messaging app or Um, you know, I would just like to use uh some apps the same way on an android phone that I can on an iphone um And payments, you know, I mean, I think there's a you know question about I was thinking about the app store There's a couple of apps that I use that um when I buy content from those apps Lately they have been Offering that content through a browser and not through the apple App store to be able to circumnavigate those extra fees, you know that they get From apple and I you know, I that that's just I know of one app that does that I'm sure there's multiple apps that do that. Um, it's a little inconvenient and go on the browser And it's kind of wonky weird, you know, it's easier on the app experience But you know, I mean I think if All this does is challenge The way things are laid out to again benefit the consumer in the long run then great, but I don't believe that There's a lot to adjust in the first place. You know, if that makes sense, I mean Again, there's inconvenience here and there there's the the higher level thinking of well, you can't switch phones I'm like, well, maybe because you don't want to you're just used There's a certain there's a certain aesthetic to both worlds android windows even and And and apple and you just may like one versus another, you know to me It's like we're looking chocolate versus vanilla in a way, you know Like you just may like a certain way things are laid out But you know and we'll talk about this later But apparently ios 18 like you said, you know, there's going to be huge updates But from mark german it's going to be the biggest update in iphone history Which could solve some of these like You know, um, I mean realities, you know and confusions Yeah, so the timeliness of it all I I feel like I don't know for me. It felt like it came out of nowhere Like oh, this is happening now Yeah, and we have a lot of the things going on in the world needs to be taken care of by our government, but okay You know Let's let's focus on this let's focus on tiktok. I mean, okay I think something that um, certainly our audience might, you know, you know You you might be following in this super closely. Um, you might not be at all Yeah, but I think you know one thing that resonated with me and it even though it didn't actually affect me Is the whole sort of like app store takes 30 percent Of what you know a a third party Developer might put in the app store the reason to have something in the app store You know at the beginning is you know to get eyeballs. That's where people look for things So, you know, if you know, I'm not even going to talk about epic games Even though that's the you know, most obvious but like if it's like sarah lane put her new app in the app store And you know, I'm trying to you know, get some traction It's like, okay. Well, if I don't do that then I have to work really hard to get people to even know that I exist Right, but if I do do that then apple takes a big cut 30 percent is a big cut Now some some of the companies who are have been paying apple that cut are already making a lot of money So they're not like the mom and pop stores But you know, but that does it's kind of like if you have a rule for somebody that applies to everybody Then you have to think about the little guys You know, you have to think about people who are trying to make a living and doing Something that's going to benefit like you said the consumer um, so so that is You know and apple has made some concessions But it also is a for-profit company a very large company a very wealthy company And the company isn't just sort of like kumbaya You know, we'll just we'll you know, we'll okay, you know Let's make everybody happy. It's like it doesn't work that way. No, you know sometimes uh, you get uh hit with some uh Legal fine or in this case something from a government saying yeah No, no, no, you have too much power And I think you know, sometimes i'm like because i'm an apple fan sometimes i'm like well, don't screw up my company You know, I like all their products. You know, let's just let them do their thing It's not really hurting me, but but it could you know in a different reality. It could hurt me a lot So I think I think this is all um, you know, some of it is uh politics Yeah, and a lot of it is Really designed for the greater good. So I know people are on many sides and uh areas of the spectrum But that's kind of where I am with this Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like this is a topic that will Drag to be honest with you stuff like this drags for years So, you know, I think it's important for us to say okay. This is what's going on And then you know, we'll do like minor updates, you know when we hear, uh, you know more about the proceedings and you know What apple's move will be? Uh, but yeah, when I when I look at some of this stuff apart from like you said, um The sort of payment issues because I know that there's payment issues with the digital wallet as well charging banks And you know, some of that is like, okay. Well, why is that happening? Um, again, hopefully What is resolved? You know benefits not the businesses and and us in general, but some of it is a little I don't know. It's it's nitpicking. I think or or like the the definitions are definitely interpreted and leaned in a certain way that is a bit too general You do I I I feel like I know where you're going for here It's like there are certain scenarios where you're like A government looks at a company and says you have cash to spare and we're gonna kind of poke the bear And the company goes, all right. All right. All right. Take it Yeah, there's there's a little bit of like, you know, you know, it's It's It's a tit for tat kind of yeah For sure, but that's where I go. All right. Is this the most important thing to really Uh go after at this point in time like what what is this? Uh amongst all the other issues we have going on in the world Is this the thing that we need to focus on right now, but like we said, it's going to Take I mean I lean there's a shortage of bananas. Okay. There are other things going on in the world Very relevant to my interests Absolutely Please focus on that government plays. Yeah. Oh my god My gosh gas prices Um, well, uh, you know speaking of things that are going on inside apple for better for worse Um, another another rumor. This is design based. Yeah, is that uh apple watch displays I'm wearing my apple watch right now and I love my display But apple doesn't actually, you know, apple uses a variety of companies for parts to Make their hardware. Um, the idea that apple was going to bring the watch display in house Appears to have been worked on and scrapped and I lean this reminds me a lot of the apple car conversation We had just a couple weeks ago. Yeah, I mean at some point, you know It sounds like they're going to work with other third party developers instead of You know working on this in house and I guess that would mean that they would shuffle the workforce Sadly, some people may lose their jobs. Um, I mean, you know, we're seeing this all over in many sectors Not just tech, but you know, obviously Companies are trying to be a little bit more lean These days are more efficient. Um, but I mean, I don't know. I mean, uh, I think You know the display itself like Partnering with Third-party companies like it's always said for people to lose their jobs partnering with third party companies could help with innovation Right, like you're taking it out of house Uh, and you know partnering and Hopefully exchanging new ideas that you know when you're in house, it could be a bubble You know, I used to work on an in-house team and all we do is the stuff in house But sometimes you when you bring it outside, uh Longer, right? It's like, yeah If you hire all those people to be in house and to be working, you know under the mothership so to speak That's just going to take longer and potentially be a lot more expensive for the company You know with with the company's overhead It's sort of like, uh, okay. What if apple just, uh, manufactured all of its own iPhones instead of partnering with foxconn And in some cases other companies, but mostly foxconn. It's like, well that I mean, I guess it's possible But that would like totally change Totally change all the price margins, you know, that is that sort of I think Okay, so because we're talking about apple I feel like there are many companies who are well not many companies are you know in In uh, you know apples sort of domain, but let's say, you know, let's Apple google meta, you know the amazon the big guys the companies that have That at least have the money to try this It's like, okay. Well, do you want to manufacture your own chips? Do you want to manufacture your own watch displays? Do you want to manufacture your, you know Your own batteries, you know all that stuff, you know gorilla glass you want to do that yourself It's possible But it would be such Such a gamble and such a you know at least short term, you know financial loss For the company Without you know knowing if that would work even though, you know If it all went well You're great on the other side because now you've got it all in house But yeah, like you said, that's just it just isn't possible You know if you want to do things in a nimble way and especially if you want to do things quickly Yeah Yeah, and I also just like to think of idea sharing and idea expansion, you know Um because you can certainly like I said, you could certainly get into um Your own little tunnel and never see outside of that, right? So creatively it could also help as well um, but uh, you know When we're talking about design, I mean, how are you feeling about the statement sarah? The biggest update in the iphone's history for ios at like I feel like that's so Waited like like what is going to happen with my phone like all of a sudden it's going to do Magic You know, I'll be able to use it for campfires. I don't know. I mean It's like it's like it's like what could be like that big of an update. Um Yeah, um, I'm I I am excited about this I I find ios updates Even though some are bigger than others for the most part they seem pretty incremental to me It's like, oh, there's a new thing you can do and you might go. Oh, that's helpful um, or you know, there are the other seven, you know Supposedly big updates that like I never use because I don't actually need them You know, there's there's certain ios things that that matter to me a lot and and others that don't I do like the idea of having more control over the home screen I'm apple, you know back in the day was notorious for not letting you delete certain apps that were part of ios Um, you know, like you couldn't even hide them. You know, it was just annoying and um, it it uh, my my home screen at this At the time of our recording I haven't I haven't gone too crazy with it But I've got I have two widgets up top on the left is my uh, my move rings Which is coming from my apple watch Okay, so there's that on the top right is uh, my weather app, which is it's apples weather app, which is the weather channel Yeah, um, yeah, um, and then I have a variety of apps that I occasionally move around Um, but you know, but I will you know, sometimes if I'm you know Out at you know brunch with folks, which doesn't happen as Often as I used to when I was younger and and full of gumption But you know, I'll see someone's home screen. I go. Oh, what do you got there? How did you lay that out? You know, I feel like we're all kind of you know, like everybody kind of put stuff up top now If they if they even care enough to do that like, oh, this is a thing that I was just gonna like be pressing on anyway type thing so Um, the the rumor that iOS 18 is going to give us Yet more options about how to organize the home screen. I wanted to ask you Eileen. I mean, does that Give you design ideas Yeah, I mean they're talking about spaces, right? And there's actually like like instead of icon icon icon, you know all in a row or just delete, you know apps Uh, so that you could have a space right or even just the widgets taking up space You will have like Blocks of space And it's easier to customize because currently to do that right now The easiest way is to download third party apps and lots of lots of people do that right now there's an app called md space and You can create space. You can create Imaginary space It's it's a block that you make and then it disappears on your screen to make it look like you have all this open space But apparently you want to do that. Apparently you won't have to download these third party apps and maybe apple sees those, you know Those third party absences. Okay, we can add that too. We can start, you know, kind of that that the aesthetic looking iPhones that I see and maybe it's because I'm looking for it on youtube or on instagram is really nice and there are If we're talking about productivity and efficiency, there are benefits to that like Not having so much on your screen will make you less distracted Will calm you a little bit because I don't know about you like I turn off A lot of my apps that have, you know, the notifications the number, you know, I can't I don't want to look at the number The only one I have that I need notifications on for like almost no app Yeah, the only one that I have is my text message. That's the only one just in case like I missed it because if I don't check off Then I might miss, you know something but everything else I turn off Yeah, and and it's just sort of like ways to The design I think could be really helpful and people are already doing it in their own way So why don't make it easier for all of us, you know, like change the icons is you can do that right now through apple through home screen, but um, you know, let's let's make all of this a little bit easier and I you know, it is a big plus on the android operating system be able to customize and do whatever the frick you want And so having more control of that Um, one it just customizes your phone. I don't know. I think it'll make people feel better to be honest with you And and you don't know until you have it. So I think it's a big deal. I think, you know, I don't always Frontload design is something important But you know after you've kind of worked through your phone and you know, you know What apps you use and you know what you don't use I think the next step is to make it pleasing to you and um, sometimes Space on the phone will help with that. I think so, um, I'm curious if this is really a thing that's going to um Be updated, but I think we'll all have fun with it and then we can all share our customized home screens Um, and you know, I like I like to see people's home screens and like what which you know, which apps do you have and What do you need to upload and It's fun And it's it's just another way to communicate with people because that's you know That's our world and and smartphones and sometimes, you know, I see on my home page I'm like, why do I have that there? Oh, right because I downloaded it last night. Okay. I need to move that over Nobody needs to know I use that app Or something that I won't use Or you know in a pinch, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I was like Hey, I'm sorry. I'm like not going to log into your gmail or anything But can I just use your computer for a second? You know, like there's some reason, you know, and I I look at somebody Usually max because for whatever reason, you know, whatever Even though sometimes uh windows machines, you know, and I'm like, how is your layout like this? Oh my god How do you know? But that's sort of the beauty of life. I mean, why do you like the shoes that you like? Why do you like style that you like? It doesn't matter. The point is to give people options and that makes all of this not, you know To say like more fun sounds frivolous, but to be like more you And yeah, I think for a while apple was, you know, pushing back on that just being like now We know we know what the you is and we're going to give you your you and now it's like Uh, you're gonna first of all sell more, uh units And have more happy customers when you give people choice They don't even have to do anything but you give them the choice and also going back to the legal conversation from a couple of minutes ago Apple's saying hey, we're not forcing anything here. I mean, there there's still some Questions about you know, what's being forced but but like we want people to have a unique experience and That is, you know, ultimately that is what's best for the consumer I think Yeah, I mean, you know We're we're sticking on design, but you know last week we did talk about AI, you know possibilities and so that's part of this huge, you know update um, I think, uh, you know, although Although markerman says, you know, the the you know, the obvious like oh, AI is going to be like Oh, wow, um You know series gonna, you know be like a crazy AI bot now and it sounds like it's going to be more of a AI tools being folded into tools such as the default calendar for iOS, etc um, that um That you know might get some productivity help from AI tools. I mean, I'm I'm here for it. I you know, let let's see Yeah, I mean again should help the consumer You know productivity. Let's go the um, and then as we talked about earlier, uh, maybe rcs support for for Messaging time back to our first story that we've already known that that's going to happen or or has been talked about So I don't know if it feels like it makes sense that it could Be loaded into iOS 18 Uh, and then you know as we were talking about the smart ring and the watch We're assuming because apple has been, you know, so pro health and wellness that there will be Advancements in that area as well Um, I mean honestly now I'm like, okay. This is the time for me to upgrade my watch. Like this is this is this is it I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait to see I feel like the watch may be the newest watch may be coming again Soon, um, but with all of this health and wellness and you know, all of these new updates I'm like, this is probably the time To to to lock that in because I haven't been wearing a watch at all. I've just been like poor thing It's just sits on the dock and is charging because I know it's going to last like four hours I'll need to charge again. I'm like, I just don't want to deal Uh, but I miss my you know, I miss my I don't I haven't used it Lately when I've been doing peloton and I miss my counter of like, oh, you know Logging it on the health app and it kind of logs anyway because my phone is logged in Peloton is connected, but it's not the same as using the actual Um, right. Yeah, and then getting that time and the calorie count and all of that is yeah. Yeah, so Um, so I don't know. I mean I'm speaking of apple watches. So I'm I'm but at my mother's house right now And she has an apple watch as well and she Is not she doesn't want to sleep with it. So basically her whole thing is, you know Tuck into bed Plug the apple watch, you know, put it, you know on on the charger go to sleep Put it back on in the morning. I am the opposite, you know I wear it all night because I want my sleep tracking data And then first thing in the morning because it's usually in need I charge it while I'm, you know, sitting and having my coffee and not doing anything, you know That is all that interesting At least at the apple watch. So anyway, I um Just because things have been a little cray-cray around my mom's house lately Which is the reason I'm here, you know, there were a couple times where she's like, oh No, my apple watch is like almost out of batteries and I'm like, well, let's just charge it for like an hour And she's like an hour And I'm like, yeah, that's actually all it needs and she's like, no, no, no, no It needs like eight hours and I'm like, no, you were just asleep that whole time You thought it took eight hours But really if you had woken up at two in the morning, it would have been fully charged It really only needs an hour You know if you're if you happen to be charging it, you know during the day for whatever reason I mean, sometimes that's inconvenient But it's like, no, it's not it's not like a phone It really does charge pretty quick, you know when she was like, wow Interesting, I'm like, do you maybe want to wear it at night? And she's like, no, no, no Still don't want to do that, but good to know Sometimes it's hard to change your ways or change, you know, you're thinking until you actually do it, you know It's it's funny how we all have like, there are just certain things that we all like doing You know, I mean I can't tell you how many times I'm embarrassed to be like, oh, my phone's almost out of batteries and people are like Why don't you just charge it on your nightstand every night? And never ever get in this position. I'm like, I don't know I don't know why I just sometimes forget, I guess You know, it's even very very rigid about other things. So yeah It's funny you say that because like I watch when I watch some shows Uh, any any show out there and I see them with their phone about to go to bed I never see them charge their phone They just go to bed and I'm like the first thing I think of is like Is your phone going to be charged when you wake up the next morning when I watch a scene I'm like watching the person go to bed looking at their phone and they just put it down on the table I'm like, there's no charging. They didn't connect the cable This person's not going to have a full fully charged iPhone the next morning, but then they miraculously do So Did you ever notice that when you're watching shows or is it just me like I literally watch that and go That's a continuity thing because they're clearly going to have a problem the next morning when they're going to school And their iPhone is not charged and sarah sarah. You're like You're like no it works. I probably are are probably pretty equally insufferable to watch shows with because we're like Oh, I'm a producer and you wouldn't do it that way You wouldn't do that way somebody shared a video with me this morning and like called something a jump cut I'm like, that's not a jump cut That's just a cut you know I mean for years friends of mine have been like, oh god, oh, we have to watch some with sarah She's got to tell us all about how it probably got made I'm sorry, you know if I'm good at anything it's this Yeah, or like, you know when they're on a certain street and then they you know the next scene They're supposed to have jumped over To a completely different part of the area and if you don't know better, you know that that can happen within those minutes You know like yeah, I mean, I'm definitely insufferable in that way I uh, you know real housewives of Beverly Hills, for example, and then I I will get off My whole reality show of a stoop, but you know, they'll be like, you know Like okay, we're changing scenes. We're going from someone's house to someone else's house. So it's like, you know Music palm trees beach and it's like no beach. No, no Beverly Hills no way not near the beach Not near at all guys Now you're gonna take at least 30 minutes to get there by car if you're lucky And like who cares but it's like it is a detail It is a detail, you know, you have to suspend some disbelief, you know, yeah But there are people who don't live here Well, exactly and then they come to visit they're like, oh, it's only gonna take like two minutes to walk to the beach No Well, my poor friends many of them from, you know, the east coast or beyond who have come to visit and they're like well, I live, uh, in LA sort of equidistant from beach and and Hills on the east but like at one point I lived in an area that was like close to dodger stadium And a friend of mine was like wait a second So uber just said that it's gonna take like 90 minutes to get to your house And I'm like, yeah, because it's rush hour and she was like, oh, yeah, I'm not coming and I'm like, I don't blame you You know, yeah, I'm not nowhere near the beach girl She was like, I thought it was like Baywatch. It's like, no Baywatch Everybody lives near the beach if you live in southern california not Oh For better and worse for better and worse, you know Yeah, anyway, so yeah, ios 18 Iowa's 18 You know, we're we're gonna get it whether we're ready or not But no, I do so mark ermann. Um, I have sung his praises on the show before Um, he he's he's a friend. Um, and he he just I don't know who sources are but he knows Pretty much everything. So yeah, I mean sometimes rumors are just rumors But um as far as Rumors go He is He he's he's up there. Um with everybody who kind of knows things before They are Officially supposed to know them and ios 18 As as German says is going to be a really big update. I am excited. I'm excited for this You know, like shake it up. You know, why not? Yeah, I really don't think of Um, you know as I hold my phone here right now It's like I don't think of my phone as some You know fun new toy to play around with I do a few things on my phone You know all day every day regularly I do occasional other things on my phone, you know as needed I don't really care about my home screen to be honest because honestly Eileen I would just pull down, you know right in the app and it'll come up I don't even know what page it's on Yeah, so so, you know if all of that can be reimagined. Why not? Exactly. Let's try it. Let's try it. Let's see. I feel like, you know, there'll be a whole new culture of You know, it used to be like just share your home screen now It's going to be the you know the competition to make the best aesthetic design with the new With the new tools that apple gives us it's like, oh boy. Here we go. I don't know I Shake it up. Let's it's time. It's it's been looking like this since the beginning. So I I welcome I welcome this change It's the biggest update and we need to have this like the biggest update Come out like wrestlers, you know You know apple apple sponsored wrestling, you know not going to happen tomorrow, but It might happen They already did the super bowl conquer other Yeah, it'll be I don't know. I don't watch a lot of wrestling So I don't know do they have a halftime show do they have the like or like the walk-up the apple sponsored walk-up by the I don't know somebody tell me. I don't really know. I don't really know either No, I I gosh. Where's just some rubber young when you need him? But um, no, I don't I don't know I don't know But yeah, we'll tell us. Yeah the apple wrestler. It's like the wrestler that just does everything You know Like a rich person. I don't know like I don't I don't know what that looks like. Um, I actually it'll be a new movie with your friend, uh mark wallberg We're gonna keep talking about the wallbergs in this on the show I can't get away from the wallbergs We can't yeah marky mark. I mean, you know, I I don't know you personally good sir But I used to really like your music And your calvin client underwear ads if i'm being honest So, you know, I can't you know what honestly, I can't not see them and and and not think of you sarah In fact, we were in vegas, uh Not this past weekend, but two weekends ago and we passed by a wallbergs wallberg burgers Whatever it's called and i've never eaten there, but they had a side They have has a burger Yeah And I took a picture and I need to send it to you. I'm just gonna post it to our apple vision show social Y'all see it and I thought of sarah There is can't donnie. I just can't get away donnie donnie and mark every every time I type don't Turns into capital d donnie I don't know why I should not forget the other brother, but I'm sorry. I don't know his name right now It was all three brothers mark and donnie And then the real chef of of of the wallberg clan that runs the the restaurant. So Uh, sorry, I don't know his name. I should look at our brothers Thankfully i'm right in front of a computer Paul wallberg paul. Okay paul mark and donnie there we go Donnie was my favorite has eight siblings. Hold on. Maybe it's not paul. Maybe there are a There are a lot of wallbergs here. There was three of them in the photo in the in the Okay, so so yes paul is the the um the wallberg behind the uh the wall burgers The wall burgers. Okay. Um, great franchise. Yes Which i've never been to I did see one in vegas In fact must have been the same one, right? Oh, no, maybe not. They have multiple They yeah, no, there's more than one. Oh, no, I saw one in cleveland cleveland, ohio, which I was at Very long story, but um, I was there for a wedding Which wasn't in cleveland. It was in a town but not far from cleveland anyway, um and a friend of mine Who uh, we were in a rental car together was like you want to go to wallbergs burgers? And I was like, I don't really want a burger right this time And he was like, so you didn't try it, you know not even for marky mark and I was like Oh, what? What's happening? Wait, second hold the phone. Yeah, like the phone. Yeah, like is that there and he's like, yeah, it's like that's how like, you know, the Very successful Of this what the heck I just been looking at underwear at I think there was a reality show of them building. I Remember watching a reality, which is I mean that's so you know in my wheelhouse and yet never saw it You should look it up. You should look it up. I'm sure it's not dated And then you then you'll really be connected to them at some point, you know, we got to have wallberg burgers at some point Um We should we should have like the entire family over for you know, some burgers Yeah, or absolutely, you know senior reader rules or I don't know whatever I don't even know their menu. We got we got it. What next next show next show We'll know about the menu and and all this stuff and we'll we'll we'll have a little bit more education on the wall burger situation, but Oh, I don't even know. How did we get to that tangent? Uh Wallberg, you know Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy our tangents on here because they will keep it coming. That's right. Yeah, we do it for you Hope you're loving it Uh, should we take a quick break? Let's do it Uh Breaks happening right here All right. So Eileen, uh, the apple vision pro is um, I I'm actually not currently at my home Which is where the pro is sitting. Um, it you know very safe and sound but um The the big rumor was okay So where does it open up to as far as markets next? Yeah, according to uh CEO tim cook, uh, you might know him You might you might love him. You might not But he told cctv which is a state run media network in china At a conference there in bejing That it would be coming to the chinese market in 2024. That's this year. Yeah Kind of a big deal kind of the big deal. Um, especially because you know china, you know famously very innovative. Um, uh very Kind of kind of quick to to jump on new tech And at the same time having a little bit of a issue with the us in a variety of Yeah, behind the scenes stuff, you know chip, uh everything but I think um Given even though As of late iphone shipments have fallen in china, but that's More or less due to the overall chinese economy in general. Um, I am very interested in What kind of what kind of uh numbers we're going to be looking at and you know, I don't know I mean this could be december of 2024. So not right You know tomorrow, but But yeah, it's a pretty untapped market Yeah, this is huge. I mean, I feel like the other day, uh, as you know, I'm always searching for news for the show But you know, there's a couple A little sarcastic people online. They're like, oh, yo, what happened to the discussion on the vision pro, huh? It's like out here. It's kind of died a little bit It feels like and obviously now we have other things going on. We just talked about it The realities of apple. Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah But you know, I do feel like the fevers died down and you know now that the dust is sort of settling I feel like this is the moment where apple's like, all right now We need we will expand to other markets around the world and then this will bring the interest back up again At least the technology of it all because we know that this isn't for the everyday consumer This is for developers. This is for people who are really into tech. Um, you know first, uh first adopters So what are the first adopters in china going to do? What is it going to look like and I again It's going to be totally different So I feel like we're going to see use cases that will probably blow our mind and we would not have thought of because it's just It's a different country Millions of other people are going to try it and then We'll level up and it'll get to another country and the same thing will happen, you know in another country. So You know, um in the hands, you know technology in the hands of different markets will always, you know I I get really excited about innovation and and use cases right that that Because you don't live in that particular country or region of the world you would never think of So let's see it. Let's see what happens. Um, you know, I mean, I feel like There's always going to be some tension, uh, you know Delivering a tech to a country that maybe were not 100 percent, you know kumbaya with but Again, putting that aside if we're just looking at technology itself and the use cases I think there could be some interesting updates, uh to this device that will make it Notable again, what do you think? Yeah, yeah, I I I do I do I I think there are there are so many examples of um, I don't know. I mean Just using social networks because they you know ebb and flow Yeah, um all the time like there's a social network, you know, that's like hot in brazil or hot in vietnam You know or or this is the way that someone's using This same app that I have in russia, but differently because right, you know, it's regional You know trends and yeah, just you know people in general. That's fun. I mean, it's just following that is You know a show on its own, but I think that Yeah, I think I think that um That that you know that that counts for a lot. Um, the chinese market is you know Well chinese population arguably, you know Buying more tech products than you know anywhere else in the world and and yeah, what what is a trend And what sticks there Is not insignificant It doesn't necessarily mean that it will be you know, uh, you know mirrored back to a market like the us But um, but yeah, you know just something as simple as and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago You know we chat in china. I mean that's how people do everything You know, you can use we chat in the us the app exists But unless you have you know a significant amount of you know, either family in china or Um family here here being the us, you know that you know is is used to we chat It doesn't it just it never caught on the same way. What's that same thing? You know that the regional market stuff is is fascinating to me It brought up. Um, I was thinking, you know, we have like um shopping Shows, you know home shopping club, you know those kinds of things But I remember watching very recently, you know, like live stream shopping in china I can't I don't know if that was the first Market that it went really berserk Uh, but they do it all the time and these these live streamers are making tons and tons of money, right? And there's this one woman that literally shows A product for three seconds and moves on and she's made like I don't know millions of dollars Just showing the product move on like literally like three seconds. Here we go. No information no price Nothing just sort of I mean the price may come up, you know, because maybe she's got a producer that's throwing it up But literally her her her comment. I wish I could find the video, but it's literally like to I mean, I don't speak mandarin So I'm she's saying more than just that but literally like, you know, and here's this black. Here's this black shirt Okay, here's this purse. Okay. Here's this lipstick and like moves on three seconds per product And she made millions of dollars because she's just so popular and so influential And it's like that was a trend and it's still a trend going on. So I'm just thinking like, you know I'm obviously connecting it to this story because I'm thinking she's in china Like what if she gets a vision pro? What is she gonna do with that? Is she gonna be like using the Shopping app and like throwing it on the street. Here we go. Here we go Like there's applications for something like that that could happen that could go viral that you would never think of I don't know Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of like, uh, npc non playable characters Um That became a trend on tiktok. Yeah elsewhere also, but Specifically tiktok where people are like, I will be one and people are like, I like this Yep, I really like this and it's like, what are we doing? I don't know. But like there's something soothing. There's something that is I don't know. It's it's resonating Just yeah And it didn't happen here, right first No Well, I mean did it or not? Yeah, I don't know. Check us on that everybody. Well, like we're not saying that it didn't But just check us Yeah, I mean I think a lot of things that become trendy or not us-based but again, yes depends on the trend but um But but yeah, I mean I've tried to In my elderly years eileen. I've tried to You know You know, unless I really feel, you know, I have a visceral bad response to something When something is a trend that I don't get Instead of being like, uh, that's stupid You know, which I would have done You know when I was younger I'm like, okay. Why like why you know, let's find out because because this is bringing a lot of people joy I mean, unless it's like, you know, I mean, you know, obviously they're harmful. Yeah Yeah, like like I'm not talking about that stuff. But just yeah something that I don't understand That is, you know, socially shared that becomes a thing And I might, you know, cast it away is just like, oh, that's so stupid It's like, but you know what you do a lot of stupid things too, Sarah So, you know, let's let's all just kind of like Figure out why we like things and you know, hold on to the joy. Hold on to the joy Yeah, I mean, what if What if you decide you should be An NPC Or a live shopper live shopper. Here we go. I've thought about that too I feel like I you know, kind of like a you know, like we're you know We're you know, we're selling a goat everybody, you know, I'm just I'm gonna be you know on the mic and doing my thing You know, some of these things aren't really for me, but I've thought about them Why wouldn't you why wouldn't you you think about it like Huh, I could do that. But do I want to is that really something that would be who I am probably not but you're like, but I could do it Yeah, I won't do it Yeah Anybody can do anything you can just put your mind to it Exactly. So we look forward We look forward to the vision pro in china and and seeing what kind of innovations that they have I swear I'm probably going to you know Be shocked at like The innovations just yeah, every country's going to have something and I love I love discovering those new trends, you know, wherever it may be in deed All right, uh, I put this kicker before we get into email. Do you know about the boo x palma? Sort of um sort of I know that it is So for anybody who uh, you know has a kindle or anything eink Um, you probably have heard about this or would be interested. Um, the idea is an iphone uh Hardware design but eink. So you've kind of got you've got apps you have things that are touchable But it's eink And uh for that reason would probably last you probably about a month on a chart Well, I was fascinating because I saw this twitter post about someone using it more than the iphone and you know the apps looking like You know a regular phone And and and I don't know. I mean, uh, does this interest you? I'm curious to know how many people Uh would prefer this then you know using their phone Uh apps, you know, I mean obviously it's not I don't it's not a phone But it's it's a tablet so but it's giving you that it's giving you the apps to use Instead of using your phone, which you probably own But like does it help you sleep better? Like I was thinking like oh, maybe if I use this but I I I like brilliance I like colors sarah. I don't know that I could um replace this or want to replace my phone But it maybe if it helps with because you know like there's the Don't use your phone Before going to bed the light. There's something to it. It keeps you up, right? Yeah, read a book read a book. Okay. Well, here's your book Uh your e-reader But I'm able to use my apps Because maybe I'm not reading a book right now, but I want to stay up But I don't want to have my regular phone on because yeah all night and it kind of like I don't know Okay, so When it comes when it comes to reading a book I have a candle oasis. Um, I use it fairly rarely Um, I also just moved department. So I'm you know trying to you know get back into my routine in general, but Um, but that's you know, that would be the way that I would read anything more than like a couple of paragraphs Unless it was like a dead tree book, you know, like an actual book. I was holding um, I will say that um You know for years, I you know decided no tv in the bedroom don't need it I have one in there now, but uh, but I but you know, but it was also like, you know, I I know um Especially people who just are more night owls than me, you know, just kind of futzing around either You know on a smartphone or maybe a tablet or you know ipad or you know, whatever Um in bed, you know, and I'd be like, you know, I just I go in the bedroom and I lay down and go to sleep. That's why I'm in the bedroom You know, like it's not like a a place to like do things You know work or you know, just you know futzing around and um, I think that that whole blue light thing Really affects certain people more than others I don't think it affects me that much But I also I don't like like in the middle of the night I wear my apple watch partly because I don't want to look at my phone and see if they're like notifications Or even know what time it is The watch would tell me what time it is. But you know, it's like I don't I don't I don't have a an urge to like Be online, you know, like If I can't sleep and I think some people sort of go like, well, I can't sleep I have the urge to be online to see what else is going on in the world So maybe If you were in that category something like this could be helpful to you where it's like it's sort of a phone Sort of Or where it feels that way and you are connected to the internet, but it's it's it's dumbed down You know, the yank thing is nice on your eyes But like you're also just not going to be able to do all the things that apps can do because that's not how This works Yeah, like I want to watch jik-tok on this like when everybody gets gray skin well, I mean It kind of reminds me of the conversations, you know, you know that that you you see this crop up like every few months Someone's like I spent a week without my phone Here's how it went and I will write it up and publish it on wired.com. You know, it's like, yeah This is yeah, it's so weird to do that That, you know, we we're now having conversations about like, okay Let's like take the tech down a notch and then talk about how our experience is because we're so used to just being like Oh, I can be online 24 seven if I want That's easy Ah, I struggle with this but you know, I think there's something for everyone And I am that person that stays up late with the phone And then I'm up and maybe it affects me more than I that I realize I just figure I'm tired I'm just not done but I should get to bed and I should lay there instead of being out on the couch So, um, maybe this would help me but I have no interest because I like colors I like seeing I have the ability to see colors. So I want to see them I'm very blessed to see colors. So I want to see it I don't want to see that If I'm gonna read a book then yes, then then yes I don't need to see I can imagine the colors, but I'm not looking and at you know I don't know somebody may send me I'm looking at this twitter post and I see whatsapp on there But I get photos on whatsapp. What's that photo gonna look like? Gray scaled I mean, I guess I guess the idea is It's sort of like I don't know. I mean if you know a movie is in color But you watch it in black and white It's like, oh, maybe I'll just watch black and white movies on this then Like would you still enjoy that movie? Like, I don't know. Maybe it depends on the movie, but otherwise, maybe not You know, maybe lala land will look good in black and white like that. I don't know I I still sort of struggle with this whole Um, I don't want to call it a movement because I don't know if it is fun But like I do have friends who are like, yeah, you know tech is Tech is too strong. You know, we have to we have to pull back. You know, we have to be humans You know, this feels like it's in that genre of things. Okay, right? Where I kind of go, you know Okay, I get that. I like that for you. Slow down Slow down, I guess is what some people are saying right and good for yeah If you need this if it helps you great Yeah, more power to you, but it probably won't work for me I just thought it was interesting I was like, wow, I didn't even know this was happening and then I started to see Some youtube influencers that cover, you know, the iphone Pulled this out. I was like, oh Okay Very young, you know, uh influence. I'm like, I see to your point about the movement. I'm like, oh, okay Tech is too big. We got it. We got to pull it back In the meantime in the meantime, we've got robots spinning around doing people Sticks and rocks. Yeah I Smell the air tomatoes breathe breathe the Breathe the wood Go to trees. Okay, right. Oh, man. Oh, um, well, listen, uh, eileen in the interest of time Um, I think I think it's time for us to wrap up this here show Absolutely, but boy was episode eight fun and thanks to all of you Who have given us just really awesome, uh, you know, encouragement comments feedback Please keep it coming feedback at apple vision show dot com is where to send that We are also on the socials. Um, we're And you know, thanks weileen, uh, you know, we're on ig we're on tik tok. Um, you know, we're on threads We're having fun and um, and yeah, we um, we plan to we plan a lot of things for the show and And we're so glad to have you all and and you can say you knew us when we're really popular Yes Pre oh, there's gonna be the pre episode six We were like on opera. You could be like, I was I listened to episode eight. I mean, I was there from the beginning Girl, I was there at three man or no wait, which one I think it was five when everything broke down. So Um, but the audio listeners didn't know and then six was like we're back for more Um, you know, we did get some emails. I don't know the word you get to that today But I just wanted to address one person who said, um, you know, a great guest would be scott johnson to talk about gaming and Uh, absolutely We are going to talk to him and ask him if he has time. I don't know this time may not work for him Uh, I think he may be recording a podcast, but during this time, but if not We will definitely invite him to the show. So we will we will um scott, you know, obviously big friend of all things so brilliant dtns Certainly apple vision show Um, and yeah, we'll make it work. We'll make it work. But um To echo eileen's point if you have ideas for your guests and we have gotten some ideas Um, first of all, thank you and yeah, that really really helps us kind of know what everyone wants to hear more of so So so keep it coming again feedback at apple vision show dot com. Um, or you know, catch us on the show show Well, eileen We still have to perfect our tag out. I know I was literally waiting for you. Oh You're like wait Wait, and then game. This is like i'm just gonna call you guys out. We're gonna like yank You know, like the uh, the oscars or whatever award show you've got dead seconds dead seconds You don't get to say goodbye. It just the music starts. Um, it was like, um Showtime at the apollo remember that show? We're like the cane guy the cartoon guy would just play somebody off if the audience wasn't resonating But whatever they were doing I was always sort of like, oh that must suck so bad But also you're going too long goodbye, right? Well, I mean it's also like it's okay. Bye Bye Okay, now I can insert that at the end the