 Hello everyone, welcome to the Quick Points podcast. I'm Pat O'Rourke, the sports editor of the BU News Service alongside me as the BU News Service contributor. Alex Hirsch, we're gonna... What's up? Yeah, so um, I know you watch the NFL from time to time, right? Just from time to time. Okay, just from time to time. It's not my favorite sport or anything. And by from time to time you mean you watch it? I watch it religiously, all say Sunday. I think I told you earlier I canceled the date this past Sunday so that I could be watching football. That there is dedication. Oh I was mad. I was not. I wasn't mad that I had to cancel the date. I was mad that she thought we could have a date on a Sunday. That's what I was mad about. No, there is no time on Sunday. That is my time to watch football. So anyway, I don't know if you picked this up. Yeah, I watched NFL from time to time too. Okay, from time to time. Yeah, every so often. But yeah, I don't know if you noticed but the Patriots are pretty good this year. Pretty good. Probably an understatement. Probably the fast understatement. I think we all know so right now. The Patriots are 8-0. They're one of three teams in the league that are 8-0. Panthers in the Bengals being the other two. That's an NFL record, by the way. NFL record, three teams being 8-0 in the league. And technically speaking, they could all go 16-0. We don't play any of them. They don't play each other. We don't play them. So that's a possibility as well too. It would be pretty crazy. It would be very very cool to watch and exciting to see. But there's three teams that are 8-0. And the Patriots are one of those three. And it really seems like in my mind, it's like there's two teams that are 8-0, but there's only one of them that are amazing. Yeah, I'd go as far to say that. I don't even think the Bengals or the Panthers are that good. No, they're good, but are they 8-0 good? No, because when I look at those teams, I look at them and I still see Marvin Lewis on the sidelines. And I'm like, yeah, Patriots are playing them. We got this in the bag. If I see Ron Rivera on the sidelines, I think the same exact thing. Andy Dalton. Oh my God. Win me a game in the playoffs, and then I'll have respect for you. And then I will believe in you. But until then, I mean, even Bengals fans, this season means nothing to them. They could go 16-0, but if they lose in the first round, goodbye, Andy Dalton. They don't care about that. You're probably right. If they go 16-0, they go 1-0. They know this season is a waste if they don't make it through the playoffs. It doesn't matter. They could go 15-1, 14-2. Andy Dalton could be MVP, but if they do not win a playoff game and they lose in the first round, goodbye, Andy Dalton. I don't know what Marvin Lewis is doing. I don't know what Marvin Lewis is doing to keep his job, but somehow he is. The Patriots team, yeah, you're not, no fans, no analysts. They're looking at it at the same lens that they're looking at through, that they're looking at the Panthers and the Bengals. They're looking at them through a completely different lens. They're looking at them through this lens that's like, here we go again. This is the greatest team we might ever see. And they are. They're playing at this level that is almost unprecedented. Brady is playing at a level that is unprecedented right now. He is having the greatest season he has ever had, and that's saying something. Statistically, yeah. Statistically, he may have been better than 0-7. No. Statistically, and just overall, he is having a better season than he has ever had right now. And we talk about MVP candidates, and Cam Newton is in there. Andy Dalton is in there. They're only in there because they have to be, in order for there to be an MVP, there has to be some MVP list. There needs to be a runner-up. There has to be a runner-up, but in my mind- They're in the run for the runner-up. They're in the run for the runner-up because the MVP candidate is really only Tom Brady, and he is so far ahead of them. It's ridiculous. It's like the Secretariat beating every single other horse in the race. He's what? 39, 38, 39, 40 lengths ahead of them. Brady is the Secretariat right now, and he is doing something that is incredible. You could probably make a case for Rodgers up there. He's up there, but he's still not with Brady. It doesn't matter. He's not with Brady. His team has lost like too straight now. Yeah, they've lost too straight. Too straight. He's thrown three interceptions in the last game. A couple bad games. That already puts them miles behind Brady. That's all that does. So he's back in the area with Andy Dalton and Cam Newton right now. And other players like Luke Keekley and anyone else that's having an amazing season. But Gronk. Gronk is also in that category more. I'd be able to put Adrian Peterson in there too. Maybe. But the fact of the matter is these candidates, they're not candidates. They're there because they have to have a list of players. There has to be a runner-up. Brady is miles ahead of these players, miles ahead. And when you're facing them, that has to do something to the team's psyche. They have to prepare for them in a way that is that who knows. I mean, there's so many different options on this team with Gronkowski, with Edelman, with even Amandola, Brandon Lothel coming back to full health. We just lost one big option in Dion Lewis. I'll be interested with Dion Lewis. Yeah. I think the thing with Dion Lewis, like he wasn't. He wasn't an option. He was a threat. There's a difference. He wasn't an option, but he was a threat. Yeah, he was a threat. When he was out there, that offense was literally impossible to stop. He was deployed as a weapon. He wasn't deployed as Shane Vereen as just check-downs or Danny Woodhead to do other things. And let's not make him out to be a stiff. I mean, this is a guy who was on pace to have about 1,300 all-purpose yards. No one's making him out to be a stiff. He was a weapon. They used him as a weapon. Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Kevin Falk. Those weren't used as weapons. They were used as great role-players. Dion Lewis was actually targeted. He was used as an absolute weapon, and the statistics proved that. He was having an incredible year. But I don't believe he is a player that makes or breaks this team going 16-0, being the greatest team of all time, or winning the Super Bowl. I don't think Dion Lewis is going to hold this team back from that. It'll be interesting to see what James White and Brandon Bolden can combine to do that. James White, I mean, he had the potential. There's a reason we drafted him in the fourth. Patriots drafted him in the fourth round. He's looked terrible since being on the field. He has not done well in the one game that he played for Dion Lewis when he was out against the Jets, though. So that might be something to it as well. But it will be interesting to see, but we still got Gronk Edelman. Amidola, who am I missing? Brandon LaFelle. Maybe Scott Chandler is used now a little bit more. He's been quiet pretty much all season. So I don't think he makes or break it. Gronk and Brady are the only players on this team that make or break this team. Oh, yeah, I'd say, yeah, I mean, losing, well, yeah, losing Gronk is probably, you can get to the Super Bowl losing Gronk, but can you win it? I don't know. Who knows. It depends on who you're playing, I guess, this year, because the teams are so atrocious. But I think against a Panthers team, you might not be able to, because that Panthers defense is very good. But at the same time, we should be able to neutralize that offense pretty efficiently. So the thing is, so with Deon Lewis out, so what is it now, instead of scoring like 38 points per game, we're scoring 33 points per game? I mean, like, that's the thing is, this is still highly involved offense. They might have to punt a couple more times. Might have to punt a couple times. I'm not saying the season's over. I'm saying, no, no one's saying. What Deon Lewis brought to that offense was. Absolutely. But he doesn't make a break. This is still an absolutely lethal offense. And there's no one in this league, no matter what defense there is, how good your defense is. We've destroyed the best defense in the league at the Jets. And we've got to show down with the Broncos in a couple of weeks, and they just got hurt a little bit by the Colts. The Broncos don't scare me one bit. They don't scare me at all. So my point is that the Patriots offense is so much better than everyone else, even without Deon Lewis. So I don't know how much is really going to hurt this team. It didn't against the Jets, and they were the best defense at the time. And we still ran all over them. So, offensively. I wouldn't say they ran all over the Jets. I think offensive wise we did. You think so? Yeah, offensive wise. Defensively. They didn't have as great a day, but. Well, it's not a great day. You're still putting up over 30 points on the best defense in the league. Granted, we're grading on a skill here. But I think really the point I really want to get to with this is, you know, I want to ask you, do you think this is the best Patriots team we've seen under Bill Belichick and Tom Brady? Which I guess in essence would mean the best Patriots team ever. Well, I think it's a great question. And I think it's hard to tell right now if the season were to end now. If like, essentially if it were eight game seasons. Yeah, I think it is. I think it's better than the 0-17. You think they're better than 0-7? I do think they're better than the 0-17. I think. I'll say their defense is definitely better than 0-7. I love this defense right now. I love what Chandler Jones is doing. Don't you just feel like the defense is flying way under the radar? Way under the radar. Chandler Jones is the NFL's sack leader. Does anyone even know that? Did anyone know that? Is that more sacks than J.J. White? The sack leader can be. I think that's kind of a. It doesn't matter. It's flying under the radar is the point. Oh, absolutely. But I don't think Chandler Jones is going to be. I don't think Chandler Jones has been the best player on that defense. That's not the point. The point is. He's been very good. The point is that Chandler Jones is flying under the radar. And he's leading the NFL in sacks over guys like J.J. White right now. And then you've got Jamie Collins and Dante Hightower who might be the best linebacker tandem in all of football. I think Collins has been the guy in that offense on that defense. He's been their best player. Absolutely. And those are. He's really come out. He is. He's the he is the best player on that defense. And he might be one of the best linebacker in all of football for all we know. But when those two are on the field together and Belichick is blitzing these guys. Oh my God. It's it. Jamie Collins is impossible to stop. And then Dante Hightower is impossible to stop. How about that. And then right now they're missing Jabal Sheer too. Who is a great offseason signing. And through the first five games when he was playing. He was another element that was just so phenomenal. And he looked unstoppable at times too. And that when he comes back which hopefully he does. I mean it's been a pretty mysterious injury with me. It's not up front for me. I knew that we knew they were going to be really, really good up front. I'm not sure we did. I thought I thought we had an idea. But we've never been this good up front. We've never been blitzing this much. We've never been getting. But if anything that was going to be the strength. It was going to be the strength because the secondary was a question mark. And that's what surprised me is how good the secondary's been. Well the secondary has been great. Malcolm Butler has held his own. He's held his own. Logan Ryan has been way better than expected. Ryan's gotten better. He's Patrick Chung has been phenomenal. Yeah I think Chung has found himself. I think Chung had a few years where he fought. I remember Patrick Chung really it was like his second year I think it was 2010. He had a great year and people were saying you know this is the future leader of the defense. This is an extra Rodney Harrison type. You know William Alloy. And then he had some you know he battled injuries. Well I think the league also changed in those years too. Maybe a little bit too. The league went for way more of a high flying passing attack. Yeah but I think Chung's weaknesses were exposed. And we brought Chung back last year because. I think the injuries were big too with him. We bought Chung back last year because we could hide his weaknesses with a secondary of McCordy, Browner and Rivas. We lose Rivas and Browner and a lot of people are concerned going to season that Chung will be exposed. And lo and behold he has not been exposed whatsoever. Chung has been probably the best player in the secondary right now. He has been dominating. Devon McCordy has also been very very good this year. That's enough. I've always said that I think the most important non quarterback position on the field is the safety position. You look at at least in the NFL you look at the teams that have won Super Bowls over the past 10, 15 years. They all have one thing in common. They have great safety play. And the Patriots' safety is right now with McCordy and Chung. And you go all you go back to Doron Harman too. He's been very good. Their safety they're at the safety position. They are dynamite. Yep they most certainly are. And I think you know that that tandem is is really is really showing that they can be here for a couple of years at least. I mean I know Chung is under a I believe a three he's got two years remaining on his current three-year deal that he signed in the offseason. So I think this is a this is a tandem that can work together for a little bit. They're both very young still. And you know Malcolm Butler has been has been looking good. And one of the biggest points about this defense too they don't get penalized. And that's a huge difference between the last year's team with Brandon Browner leading the lead practically in penalties. And this year McCordy got his first pass interference penalty in three years two weeks ago against the Colts. I mean that's that's incredible. I think that was a that was a pretty soft call too. It was a soft but the fact of the matter is he doesn't get him. He doesn't matter. The fact is that he doesn't get penalized. And Logan Ryan hasn't been picking up penalties. Malcolm Butler has been extremely aggressive and hasn't been picking up penalties. It's been and Chung is an aggressive player as well. Not picking up penalties. We're not going off sides. We're not we're not getting defense of holding calls. This has been a very very very good defense. So back to the back to the million dollar question. Is this the best Patriots team we've seen? I think it's better than the 2017 and the 2017 was the best team I'd ever seen. So yes they have a better defense. I think their offense is more dynamic. I think Edelman is worlds better than Wes Walker. And I know Randy Moss. I think Randy Moss is possibly the single greatest talent at receiver of all time. It's debatable with him and Jerry Jones. Jerry Rice. But I mean not not Jerry Jones. But I think you know I think Randy Moss was just so special. But I think I think Gronk might be even more special. Because I think you could stop Randy Moss. There were ways to stop him. And part of that was on Randy Moss on himself. Randy Moss would stop Randy Moss. And not putting in a full effort. Gronk 110% full effort every time. Not only is he amazing receiver and you can't take him down. He's also possibly the best blocking tight end in all of football as well too. Which helps this team even more than Randy Moss did. But you can't take Gronk down. You can't cover him. That doesn't necessarily mean we're always targeting him. And that's what makes it so special too. That's the thing. You go to Gronk, you go to Gronk, you go to Gronk. Then you go to Edelman, then you go to Edelman. Then you go to LaFelle, then you go to Amandola. Then you go to those guys. There's so many different options on this team. That there are way more options than I feel like. Then there were on the 2017. And I think Gronk is way more special than Randy Moss. I think Scott Zolak, who's the Patriots color commentator, for those who don't know, put it perfectly. It was early on this season. Basically that Gronk is your home run hitter. You want to hit the three run shot. You go 30 yards downfield at Gronk. And then everyone else just death by 1,000 paper cuts. Deion Lewis, back when he was, he had a knee. I guess now it would be Blunt and James White. But then you have Edelman, you have Amandola, you have LaFelle now. You have Scott Chandler. You kind of just go to those guys, death by 1,000 paper cuts, and you got boom over the middle of the Gronk. And there's that. I 100% agree. And Gronk, in my opinion, is a better talent than Randy Moss. Talent might be the wrong word. He's a better player than Randy Moss, because he does way more for the team. So yeah, I think this is the best team I think I've ever seen. And it's that therefore making it the best Patriots team, I think. I still go with that 0-4 team. That was that third Super Bowl team. That was a great, great team. I think that's a team to me. They're up there with the 86 Bears and the 72 Dolphins. And that they could have, should have, would have run the, that's a team that could have run the table. They ran into a, I don't know if you remember that, that Halloween game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, where there was a hot Steelers team. Yeah, that was a, again, a really good team. They had a rookie Ben Routhisberger in there. It was just chucking it around. It really didn't know much better. They had the two-headed monster in Jerome Bettison and Deuce Daly. That was a really good team. That was a really good offense. And they were hot at the time. They, you know, Patriots, Patriots got them at the wrong time and the Steelers beat them. It was at Heinz Field too. And then they had that trap game with the Dolphins later in the season and that's why they went 14-2. But then they, then look at the three teams they beat. Indianapolis at Pittsburgh and then Philadelphia Eagles was a really good team. That's the big difference between that team and this team is that that was a really good NFL that year. That was a very good NFL that year. And they had a 15-1 team. I don't ever look at the Colts in the playoffs as a quality win. So, you know, I think, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning. They're still a great team. Peyton Manning in that offense. And he pooped himself. Like he always does. Yeah, but that was still, you still got to, you still got to beat him. That was a great offense. That was a record-setting offense that year. And they held in the three points. It wasn't, that 2004 Patriots, albeit very, very good team. But I don't think they have anything on the 2007 Patriots or the 2000 and... I think they do. ...and 2015 Patriots. Corey Dillon in this day and age? Yeah, try finding someone who would tackle Corey Dillon at the day's NFL. But you don't want, it doesn't even matter. You don't need to run the ball in the league anymore. You can run the ball all day. I take 2004 Corey Dillon. Run the ball all day. I don't care what year it is. If you want to run the ball all over me all day, it doesn't matter. You're not going to win that way. You can't win on a running game anymore. That's not, that's not the way you win. I think they could win with 0-4 Tom Brady. He could win. I don't, I don't, I don't know. You think, you think... Oh boy, Tom Brady is as good as... I don't even know who's comparable to... You think, you think... Tom Brady 0-4 wouldn't be passable in today's NFL. With the quarterback play you see in the NFL week two... Absolutely! You watch the NFL all day every day and you watch the quarterback play. You're saying Tom Brady 0-4 would not be better than any of those guys. It's not better than every single one of the guys that we're playing that are in the NFL this year. He'd be right up there. No, he would not be right up there. He'd be, he'd be good. But he's not, he's not going to win. He's not going to be 8-0 right now. That's for sure. Tom, Tom Brady, this team is better. This Tom Brady is way better. And this team is better. I think they'd be 8-0 right now. No. With that defense? No. With that defense, with Bruce Key, with McGinnis, with Seymour, with Rodney Harrison back there. The 2004 Tom Brady would have had... That defense alone, if you think... No, you're wrong. That 2004 defense would have had a very hard time against the Jets a couple weeks ago. If you think that... If you think that's this defense, you should have seen that defense 0-4. Poor Dylan would not have had a great running game against the Jets a couple weeks ago. And Tom Brady would have been... Handled against that team. I don't know. I don't know about that. Absolutely. That team had some pretty good weapons, too. Branch was good. Branch was... But they had very, very good wide receivers. They had not very, very good. They had good wide receivers. Teon Branch and David Givens... Givens. Givens had a great year. They're not going to do anything against DeRal Rivas, Antonio Cormarty, and Buster Scrine against that Jets. The 2004 Patriots playing this year would not be undefeated and would not have a chance at running the table. This team does have a chance at running the table. And the difference is the difference between Tom Brady. Brady is the difference. Brady now versus Brady then is a million times better. And that's what matters in this league because this is a passing league. Running doesn't really matter. Hence the reason why we beat the Jets when our lead running back had negative three yards. It didn't matter. We don't need to run the ball. No one needs to run the ball these days. Look at the Vikings, though. I mean, the Vikings are a 6-2 team that's in witness protection right now. Adrian Peterson's had an unbelievable year. He's a big part of that team. He's a big part of that offense. Sure. That's early. It certainly has to do with... They're not going to go anywhere. That team's not going anywhere. They might make the playoffs. Sure. Great. Go make the playoffs. That's not going to win you a championship. That team's not nearly as good as that 2004 Patriots team. This team? We're talking about that Vikings team. That's not the point. That 2004 Patriots team would have a role in this league. But they wouldn't. And I think you are underestimating Tom Brady big time. I think what you're doing is you're overestimating how much a running game matters. The running game doesn't matter anymore. Tom Brady was really emerging as an elite passer that season. It was not an elite passer. 0-5-0-6 was when he really arrived as that elite passer. 0-4, he was becoming that guy. 0-2, I think 0-3 was where... Maybe you'd have a case in 2003, the second Super Bowl season, where he was still more of a... I don't like calling him a game manager. I never thought he was a game manager. I've never liked having that label on him. But in 2001, 2003, 2004, he was a game manager. Those teams were one on their defenses and their ground game. Yeah, their defenses was a big part of it. And their ground game was huge too. And that was kind of the key in that NFL. But the ground game doesn't matter these days. I think Brady was very, very good. He wasn't, again, he wasn't the best quarterback in the NFL, but I think he was top 5, top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Which you can win with that. He wasn't a top 5 quarterback. He was maybe a top 10 quarterback. Joe Flacco on a Super Bowl. Joe Flacco had an incredible run. He did something that had not been done before. He didn't even throw a pick. He was out of his mind. So yeah, their team was better overall, going into the playoffs, but then Joe Flacco turned it up to a level that Tom Brady didn't have at that time. Tom Brady didn't have the level that Joe Flacco had. Oh, I think he did. No, he didn't. He let two Super Bowl winning drives at 23 and 25. That's great. Yeah, I'm happy he led two Super Bowl winning drives. That doesn't mean that he had the level to... He didn't throw a pick either. That doesn't mean that he had the level to play at the level that Joe Flacco did. Joe Flacco led his team to the Super Bowl that year in the playoffs. Tom Brady did not lead his team to the Super Bowl in the playoffs. Yeah, he was huge for them in that year. No, Corey Dillon and the defense were bigger though. That's what led the team. It was an overall team effort. But Brady was a very, very big part. Flacco led this team. Brady was a very, very big part. Flacco led that team with no defense, mind you, except for Ray Lewis playing, like he was blessed by Jesus Christ and God himself. Yeah, it was Darian Lesprey. It wasn't Jesus Christ and God himself. What? It was Darian Lesprey. It wasn't Jesus Christ and God himself. It might have been, whatever. But Ray Lewis was playing out of his mind, but the defense wasn't very good. They were on their absolute last legs. Joe, their running game wasn't successful. Flacco was the reason that team won. Brady was not the reason these teams won. He was a big part of it though. But he's a part of it. There's a difference. You know, I don't... But do they win those... Do they win three Super Bowls in four years without Tom Brady? My answer is no. No, probably not. But that doesn't mean that he was the difference. Do they win three Super Bowls in four years without that defense? No, probably not. It wasn't last year. It wasn't last year where I think he single-handedly won that Super Bowl last year. I thought they won that Super Bowl last season in spite of their defense, in my opinion. I mean, I guess so. I think you can make a case that that defense puts you down 14 points twice in the divisional round and then puts you down 10 points in the Super Bowl. I think their defense... And you managed to win the Super Bowl. The defense didn't win you anything. No, that defense did win them in the second half of that game. The second half of that game, they made the correct adjustments. They put Brandon Browner on Chris and Matthews. Brady had to bring them back from a 10-point deficit. He did, because their defense struggled in the first half. But in that second half, their defense really stepped it up. It was the adjustments that Belichick made that really helped them win that Super Bowl. As well as Tom Brady. Brady was incredible in that Super Bowl and he did win them that Super Bowl. Don't get me wrong. But Brady now is way better than Brady in 0-4. And this team is better than... Oh, I'm not saying... I'm not saying he's... But that's the difference, because this 0-4 team would not be able to do what they wanted to do. They would have to rely on Brady more. And Brady wasn't as reliable as he is now. So, yeah, maybe they'd be good. Maybe they'd be a 6-2 team like Teddy Bridgewater's Vikings. But they're not the 8-0 Patriots that we are seeing right now. That's not the same. And even if they are 8-0, they're not a sustainable 8-0. We would... That's for sure. Because then they would go into the Broncos, probably, and get their butts kicked because they wouldn't be able to run against them. And Brady wouldn't be able to throw against the Keeb Tlaib and Chris Harris and Bradley Roby with TJ Ward. The thing with the Broncos... It's not so much the teams as the coaches. I just don't see Bill Belichick getting out coached by Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. Maybe not in the playoffs, but in the regular season game. It might happen. He got out coached by Josh McDaniels. Yeah, it was an 0-9 with a terrible team. It was the Patriots. It was Bill Belichick. My point being is you can't expect them to win games and win a Super Bowl and be better than this team solely off of their ground game. And I know Brady was a good part of that offense, but that was their offense, was grounded pound and then Brady throwing. There's a reason why Brady was one of the lowest starting quarterbacks in completions that year. They didn't throw the ball that much. Was it 17th? What? It was 17th, right? No, in completions. Not completions percentage. Completion percentage, though, 17th. That's not the makings of an elite quarterback. Well, their offense was fourth in the league. Their completion... But that was part of their running. I think quarterback plays a lot to do with it. Completions, he was only 12th. That's not an elite quarterback right there. So Brady, the difference between 2004 and 2015 is Brady. That's the difference between the two. Brady and he is a million times better. Yes, there's a drop-off in the running game, but the defense is still very good. This is a very, very good defense. It might not be as good as the 2004 defense. Oh, four was great. Oh, four was great. It was historically good. It was historically great. Historically good. But the 2015 defense is still a very good defense. It's not historical as the 2004, but it is very good. It's a drop-off, and there's a drop-off in the running game, but the running game doesn't matter in this day and age anymore. You can win without the running game, and you can win Super Bowls without the running game. I'll take Corey Dillon. Obviously, no one's disputing that. Yes, well, I like to have Corey Dillon on this team. Absolutely. Sure, but does he make a difference between this team going 16-0 and not with this team? Can this team go 16-0 without him? Absolutely. They don't need Corey Dillon to win in this day and age. When am I taking this 2015 team over this 2004 team? Yes, I am. What do you think that 0-17 would be as good this year? I mean, you're talking about a team that is in a different game. I do. I think the 0-17 would be as good as they were this year. I think they'd be 8-0, but it was a high-flying passing attack. That's what wins in this league. And Brady was arguably having the greatest season of all time. At that point, yes. I think they'd be winning this year. And to be honest, Lawrence Mone was actually pretty damn good that year, too. Probably the only year he was pretty damn good. But he was good. So, yes, I think they would have Kevin Falk there. They got the receivers. Yes, I'd say they're second. The only problem is there's defense. You think 0-17 is better than this year, seem to? Yes. Oh, come on. Why? I can at least hear... I can understand that better than your 2004 analogy. But they only went 16-0. They only ran the table. I mean, granted, they go 15-1 if Rex Ryan doesn't call a timeout. But I would say that team is better than this one. Why? What reason? Well, I think Moss... I think having Moss and Welker, I think... Moss and Welker probably... I wouldn't say they're better than Gronkowski and Edelman. But I'd say Welker might be a little bit better than Edelman. Oh, no. Edelman is way better and way more dynamic than Welker, too. I think with Welker, I just think Welker is the greatest slot receiver of all time. What he was able to do for those few years, and he caught pretty much everything except for... Yeah, a game winning cat. Yeah, that catching the Super Bowl. But I don't know, I think... I love Edelman, too. But I think he drops more passes. I don't think he gets targeted way more than Welker does. Yeah, but I think he drops more passes. The difference is Welker is also strictly a slot receiver. Edelman is not strictly a slot receiver. In fact, he plays most of his snaps on the outside, not on the slot. That's true, but I think Welker in that role, though. It was the same way as this offense where Moss was your home run hitter, and your Death by a Thousand Paper cut guys was guys like Welker. And Jabbar Gaffney, Dante Stallworth. Dante Stallworth. And yeah, you had Falk in there, too. And Falk's another one. Falk's one of the greatest all-time, one of the all-time greatest Patriots. What he was, greatest third down running back ever, and this guy that... One of those guys, you could put him in there and you knew he was going to give you. You didn't have to wonder, oh my god, hopefully we can get this play. Kevin Falk made every play that you needed him to. And by the way, that fourth and two that he didn't make, that was good. That was good. He had that first down there, but that's not what this is about. I think you can make an argument that the 2017 is better. Obviously, you can make an argument. I mean, they went 16-0. But I still think this team is better. I think this defense is better. It's younger, which is... Bad defense was old. But this is a younger team. I think it's a more dynamic defense as well. And I think the offense... I think the offense is better. I mean, I'd rather have Ligera belong to my backfield than I would Lawrence Moroni. I remember there was an article on... It was on Bleach Report a few years ago that it was making a case that Bill Belichick was slowly building... They're quietly building the next Patriots dynasty. Oh, I think we could be... Yeah, this is one of the youngest football teams... You could be saying that right now. Between last year's team... The Patriots have one of the youngest... I think there was a lot put on Rivas last year. If I'm not mistaken, their average age is the youngest... What last year was the youngest team of football. I think there was a lot put on... There was only Braden Wilfork that are over 30 years old. And then this year, it's what? Allen Branch and Brady are the only people over 30 maybe? I mean, this is a very, very young team. But I think he is. I think Belichick is quietly building a dynasty. And we're really gonna... I mean, this is an extremely young team. Gronk is one of your best players. He's only 26. Edelman's only 27 or 28. Yeah, he might be... I think his first year was on 9, so... Gronk is 26. No, I'm talking about Edelman. Edelman might be... He's 27. I think he's like 20 or 29. Regardless, the point is... This is a young team. Devon McCordy, young. Malcolm Butler, young. Patrick Chung is still very young. Logan Ryan, young. Collins, young. Hightower, young. Chandler Jones, young. Ninkovich is one of the older players on the team. With Allen Branch and Brady. Collins, Ninkovich by the way. I think he's about 31. But the point is, they are quietly building towards a new dynasty. You just said Malcolm Brown, Dominique Easley. This offensive line is insanely young. And you've got... You're basically missing running backs. And if you had hit on those receivers that you drafted a couple years ago, you'd be in their running backs. You'd have receivers as well that are being building towards that young dynasty. That new dynasty. But we're not really gonna... We're gonna find that out coming up. I mean, if they can go... They run the table this year? Again? We got yourselves another dynasty, sir. So, I don't know. It'll be interesting to find out. I think it's all been one big dynasty. It is. But I think he's building a separate one. This is gonna be eventually the post-Tom Brady dynasty, I would believe. I don't know if they rip off Superbowl's leg without Brady. I know, but they have to draft someone obviously. They're gonna have to get another quarterback. Well, grapple could be that. They're building a team to get ready for the post-Tom Brady error. That's already gonna have enough pieces around this quarterback so that a quarterback can come in and start winning again right away. So, we're not gonna find that out for a little bit. And there's eight more games left in the season. We're gonna see what happens. If they can pull this off again, well, you got yourselves a second dynasty or one big continued one. But that's it for Quick Points today. I'm Alex Sarish alongside sports editor for the B&U Service, Pat O'Rourke. We'll be back on Friday with our second foreign out session show. I guess you could call it? Yeah, I don't know what you could call it. Video. Video. It'll be up on bnuservice.com on Friday evening. So, make sure you go check that out as well as our first one should be up later today. Have a great week and we will see you on Friday. So long, everyone.