 Good evening. Good evening everyone before we start the meeting Before we start the meeting there's a couple of a couple of things I'd like to do one is to allow Alderman Kittleson to say a few words with respect to the cleaning project of that occurred Saturday at Sheridan Park Alderman play Eunice. I mean Kittleson. Thank you your honor. Thank you so much. This is a part of about being an Alderman I just love because Saturday morning we had just a wonderful event in Sheridan Park and I'd like to give a big big Thank you to everyone who came out this past Saturday morning to help clean up approximately a 16 block Radius that began and ended in Sheridan Park The folks who live in that Sheridan Park neighborhood were largely responsible for the manpower that helped to collect two dumpsters full of trash and litter and Also collected at least five large truck and trailer loads of discarded items that were taken directly to the city's drop-off site A lot of hard work was done by many and I'd like to give a big huge Thanks to the Cub Scouts of Pac 3812 from Sheridan school Under the leadership of Luisa Johns those little guys and along with their leaders and even several of their family members Some of who live outside of the Sheridan Park area are to be commended for all their hard work as well I'd also like to thank the Alderman who came to help Alderman Bob Ryan for Coordinating and donating items for the cleanup celebration Alderman Corey Bulk for donating all the Johnsonville Bratz and hot dogs and The helping hand he gave Alderman wangaman was there with his trailer parked at at the park And he held listening sessions with citizens and I'd also like to thank him for taking pictures of the people that were hard at work Thanks to Eustaceo Medina junior who provided music in the park for the picnic celebration And a big big thank you to our off-duty police officers and our Sheboygan neighborhood pride Board members who were there as well as their spouses who showed up to help with the effort Thanks to our public works department for delivering and picking up the dumpsters and our city engineering department For the beautiful map that they helped us with as well Many thanks to the neighbors of the Sheridan Park neighborhood association area Who I believe are concerned caring people who want to make a difference in that area of the city and Most of all a million thanks to officer Todd Preby for always being a role model for always Supporting and working tirelessly for a cause. He truly cares about again many many thanks to everyone who participated on Saturday morning. Thank you Was that about the same thing Thank you, mr. Mayor I just wanted to add also a thank you to Viola who Graciously accepted our discarded refrigerators and all free of charge Wonderful. Thank you. My Ryan second thing a little unusual, but All about the least complainers That means happy birthday. It's his birthday today. We should meet anymore And before we start the meeting we ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you mayor Nearly all people can stand adversity, but if you want to test a person's character give them power Thank you very much. Madam city clerk Call the 13th regular meeting of the Common Council to order please call the roll born Boke yes, yeah Hanna here Heidemann excuse Kittleson here Clowness Manny Myer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Smith Vander wheel for hassled excuse and Wankerman 14 present qualms present this time we pledge our allegiance to the beautiful country We live in Alderman Manuel, which please leaders. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God in the visual with liberty and justice for all Thank You Alderman Vander wheel Approval of minutes president Hanna Thank You mayor. I would make a motion to Accept and prove the minutes Second under discussion There'll be a none all in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries minutes are approved Resignations attorney McLean, thank you, your honor. There's a letter to The mayor the salary agreements committee and members of the council dated October 1 from Ed Suric director of human resources and labor relations advising that He's submitting his letter of resignation And his termination date will be December 31 2007 with the remainder of his earned vacation for the month of December Probably be working through October and November Signed by mr. Suric Too much mr. Suric was unable to be to be here tonight. He asked that That I excuse him. I I did want to extend my heartfelt appreciation for the number of years that he gave to the city of Sheboygan just as other employees have done We thank him and we appreciate his work. I would ask for a motion to accept and file So second motion and second under discussion There being none all in favor say aye Any opposed? Motion carries resignation accepted Mayor's appointments very McLean everybody submit the following appointment for your consideration William Bittner to be appointed as director of public works commencing October 15 2007 and expiring October 14 2012 signed by the mayor Mr. Bittner was one of the applicants for the position of director of public works He would the applications were screened by the civil service commission several applications were selected his being one of them and Subsequent to that the civil service commission recommended two people to me for review. I interviewed both my committee my interview committee consisted of Interim director of public works they be able Bill bulky city engineer Paulette Andrews city development director and Susan Hart my assistant and myself We were very impressed with me with mr. Bittner. He cannot be here today. He lives in Rockford, Illinois and his whole resume is his background is and Director of public works management. He comes to us as a very seasoned very articulate Very knowledgeable well-rounded individual and I am pleased to to offer you his employment his employment with the city and add him to our team This time I would ask for motion to accept from me Second thank you president have thank you vice president born any discussion all in favor say aye Any opposed? motion carries appointments confirmed Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Paulette Andrews to be reappointed as director of planning and development commencing November 3 2007 and expiring November 2 2012 signed by the mayor. Thank you. Turner McLean typically this appointment lies over Paulette Andrews is unable to be here during the next Common Council meeting It's important to her to be present when this appointment is confirmed as I hope it will be and I'm asking you to have someone suspend the rules President Hannah thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make the motion to suspend the rules second motion and second Is there any objection? There is none. I need a motion to confirm Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm very pleased to make a motion to confirm Paulette Andrews as director of planning and development second Motion and second to confirm any discussion all in the cleanest. Thank you your honor I just want to commend Paulette for her energy and approach ability It's always easy to get a hold of her to talk with her to get explanations. I appreciate that. Thank you Thank you. She has been a tireless worker of the city I've had the honor and the pleasure of working with her for two and a half years At times people say that she has a lot on her plate But that's because she's superwoman case any of you didn't know that she she's incredibly dedicated very hard worker knowledgeable committed and I Am pleased that then we will confirm her tonight All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries appointments confirmed And I submit the following appointment for your consideration her verbal resignation by Alderman Daniel Verhassell as chairman of the salary and grievance committee meeting to Mayor Juan Perez and the salary and grievance committee on September 24 2007 I hear by a point Alderperson Marilyn Montemayor as chairman and Alderman James Gisha as vice chairman signed by the mayor This typically would lie over to but we need to get the ball rolling. So I would ask for motion to suspend President Hanna. Yes, mr. Mayor. I would ask that we suspend the rules second motion and second spend the rules Is there any objection? There would be a non and you motion to confirm motion to confirm both the point second motion and second under discussion Alderman Rainfresh Thank you, mr. Chairman I'm looking at the statement here for a verbal resignation by Alderman Dan Verhassell at a meeting of all uncomfortable not having that in writing At this point in time not having been at the situation not knowing what's going on I see no reason not to approve the the recommendation however, but Hopefully I ask that in the future in the alderman in the similar situation Please do so in writing that we may truly know the situation as at hand. Thank you We can ask you to follow up with a written resignation to that be fine Thank you. Good point Alderman Rainfresh any other discussion They're being on all in favor say aye any opposed one name motion carries Finally as chairman of salary and grievance Alderperson not to Meyer to be considered for appointment to the city county shared services committee The marina and harbor committee and the strategic fiscal planning committee To fill the unexpired position of Alderperson Daniel Verhassell whose term expires on 4 14 0 8 signed by the mayor And once again typically this lies over but by virtue of being chair of salary and grievance You get the honor of being another committee. So I'd ask for motion to suspend present second second motion and second to spend any objection Need motion to confirm motion to confirm Second motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries Thank you attorney McLean. Thank you Alderman Next item is a proclamation for the John Michael Kohler art center and I'd ask miss Ruth Kohler and Who else is coming up? We have a we have a proclamation For the John Michael Kohler art center It's for its 40th and 40th birthday. I should say and May I say what a remarkable Accomplishment, thank you very much for being part of our community for 40 years. It's just it's just a wonderful thing, isn't it? I think they deserve a hand Present it it says whereas John Michael Kohler art center is celebrating his 40th birthday in October of 2007 and Maybe I should add and they're burning the candle at both ends That's what this is. I won't say that And whereas in 1967 the John Michael Kohler art center began was thematic exhibitions in the power and classes in the carriage house of the 19th century home of John Michael Kohler and Whereas for the past 33 years the arts industry program has provided hundreds of artists from around the world Sophisticated technologies free materials and housing to create bodies of work not possible in their own studio and Whereas the art center's collection of work by artist environment builders is the most extensive of its kind anywhere in the world And whereas over the years the art center has expanded his variety of programming to include I should be holding this to include the food lies performing art series the connecting community series festive Fridays various festivals and special events a preschool program Lectures tours classes for all ages and whereas the art center has more than 160,000 participants in the 2007 and is supported by 1500 member families 145 corporate and foundation donors 522 in kind owners and six hundred volunteers and Whereas all of these activities serve to deepen one's appreciation for the arts Therefore, I won Perez's mayor the city do hereby extend my personal thanks and Congratulations on your 40th birthday of the John Michael Kohler art center And I urge all our council members and our citizens to extend their Congratulations by attending the various birthday events to be held for 40 continuing hours at the center begin on October 12th Congratulations Thank You Maria Perez and thank you council members We are thrilled to be a part of shavuigan every day shavuigan gets more and more exciting and We hope that we play a Substantial role in that in the last two months well in July and August alone. We had 62,000 people come to the art center and become involved in art center programming and The last weekend alone we had Approximately 275 room nights booked by People who came to the art center so we are trying to help the the Area economically and bring joy to many many people we think that Probably our attendance is going to be about 200,000 this year With some extra things so we hope that you will all come to the birthday We have lots of things going on from Cult classic films like the rocky horror picture show and the attack of the killer tomatoes to Nice workshops and bands Etc for the birthday so do come. Thank you Yes, thank you your honor having been part of the art center and helping out and Promoting the art center for lots of years I just wanted to say a couple of words about one little section one big section actually that Ruth Kohler is very Devoted to and that's connecting communities. She truly believes and works so very hard to have the whole community As part of the art center Thank you all one month. We have one more all in one Thank You mr. Mayor. There's a piece of information. I'm not sure that people here are aware of not About a year ago on the travel channel. They had a program on to discover the world's 10 greatest restrooms and they went through the list and Number one was in Hong Kong where they had solid gold commodes number two was the core art center in Sheboygan, Wisconsin So we have a claim to fame here in Sheboygan as having the world's second greatest restrooms So if you're in the area, please stop in I'm sure they'll appreciate it Thank you all in one and once again, congratulations. We're Joe McBurray. Thank you for being here Next item is public forum Madam city clerk First on our list would be Steve Wimmer if you could come on up to the front podium here, please And mr. Wimmer if you want to pull the mic kind of up towards your little taller So we won't hear you otherwise there you go and I need your home address, please okay My home address is 2715 North 25th Street, okay, and then you will have Five minutes to speak Okay now go ahead. I Would like to thank all of you for the opportunity to speak in front of all of you today I'm here today to voice my opposition to the proposed rezoning of land from residential to commercial on North 24th Street The developer MRAD Cummings wants to place a large Walgreens on the corner He contends that he can't unless he gets the required rezoning We as a neighborhood feel that yes a Walgreens would be an excellent addition to the neighborhood Just not the one that is being proposed at this time I feel that is very important that you all understand that this is not the neighborhood against Walgreens This is strictly an issue between the neighborhood and the developer We strongly contend that a neighborhood that a smaller Walgreens one that fits within the existing commercial footprint Would meet the neighborhood the I'm sorry the needs of the neighborhood and Walgreens nicely MRAD Cummings in the past has been forced and I don't use the term forced lightly to change the design of a proposed store MRAD Cummings tried to stick the big box cookie cutter version of its stores in as many places as it can The only time I can see that MRAD Cummings has altered from the cookie cutter concept is when forced to do so by From community activists and local political leadership the same arguments threats and tactics be employed by this developer Are the same techniques that they have used with face with opposition in the past We the neighborhood have been in constant contact with our local older persons and Mayor and members of the planning department departments. I have sent emails to every older person sitting in this room I have only received responses from three other older persons besides my own During our last neighborhood meeting we're advised by our older person to avoid the label not in my backyard I felt that we have been everything but that That conversation did make me think about the different labels that are put on individuals political bodies and leaders It is easy to cast labels. It is harder to get to know people and to actually take the time to hear their concerns Our neighborhood in I in particular have been labeled as difficult to deal with MRAD Cummings was interviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about a new Walgreens. They built down there MRAD Cummings wanted to place a big box cookie cutter store in a neighborhood They were met with stiff neighborhood and local political opposition They were forced to change the design of the store in order to better fit the neighborhood When asked about the experience of building this store MRAD Cummings said they were difficult to deal with but in the end Everyone got what they wanted so a group of normal citizens and local political officials who are passionate about their neighborhoods and MRAD Cummings eyes Were difficult Well, I guess I accept wholeheartedly the label difficult. I Love my neighborhood. I feel the labels that apply to us our family oriented hard-working diverse proud reasonable and united Mike Cummings told us during the planning commission meeting that he would never have bought a house in our neighborhood. I Am not surprised because he doesn't even live in our city Mr. Cummings stated at the last planning commission meeting the drugstore chain isn't interested in shrinking the store or moving it to the East away from the homes He further stated that he has been working on the plan for six months and feels he has made all the changes he needs to six months He makes that sound like a long time. I plan on raising my children in that neighborhood So I feel six months of his time is a small price for a building that I not Mr. Cummings will have to live with for the next 25 years I look out at all of you and I hope the label not in my aldermatic district doesn't apply to you My first inclination to think that caused me to be angry at myself because I did to you what I asked you not to do to me I Felt your lack of response was an indication about your feelings were concerning this not so simple rezoning issue All the person's Hannah and Meyer may be my district older persons But the decisions you make affect all of us So in my mind that makes all of you my older persons If you approve this rezoning you would have caused a huge negative impact to my neighborhood So I asked that you take all of our concerns into consideration Before allowing this developer to put his store into his a neighborhood by his own account. He would never buy a house in So don't just label this proposal as anything is better than Daryl Witter We feel that if MRD Cummings is forced to put the Walgreens into the existing commercial footprint We will get a Walgreens that will not cause such a negative impact to a group of homes that has deserved the label neighborhood Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ormer and Last would be Vicki Hall. I'm not as tall. You get up. You get to pull it down a bit Vicki can I have your home address, please? It's 9 to 5 north 4th Street Does that work? That's better and you will have five minutes. Great. Thank you Hello there I'm here to address the concept of a sustainable shabuigan, but I plan to wind my way there So please bear with me. I work in resource conservation for Glacier Lakes Conservancy Service chair friends of shabuigan's parks and I also serve on the city's park and forestry board First of all, I'd like to take a moment myself to voice my heartfelt Thanks to the 74 individuals six organizations and five businesses that were involved with the cleanup of 400 pounds of garbage Along our Lake Michigan shoreline from Northeast Park to Lakeview Park on a beautiful September Saturday We were joining an international event people all around the world were collecting Waste from coastlines and waters that day Not only collecting but documenting every single thing they picked up This data is compiled in a database that to help inform what kinds of trash and pollution are fouling up our waters We got a lot of what was out there, but not all so next year. I wish for perfect weather more volunteers and less trash Thanks to Alder people Hannah and Clunas for joining us that day You know nothing prepared me for how many great people showed up for beach sweep A week ago from children to seniors and I really think this whole idea of a greener community is catching on Kim Swisher knows the value of a clean and inviting city. It attracts more tourists Green tourism keeps popping up in the media like this one There's a new program from the state's tourism division called travel green which signs on businesses and communities who pledge To be more sustainable. So if you're a traveler and you want to travel green You look them up on the Wisconsin website and you make your travel plans accordingly or you look for their travel green logo Some have said that Sheboygan has an incredible opportunity to change the perception of our community to a region with a rich variety of alternative Transportation like Portland This could include a fun gondola ride across the river from north to south pier as an alternative to a bridge just a suggestion Pardon parcel with that new vision is the condo boom in our central city I think it's fair to say that many of the residents of those units will be looking for a forward-thinking city one That is at the forefront of adopting sustainability and Before you as a resolution for just that the definition of a sustainable city can be found on an excellent 48 page document Which I hope that you will all read Basically sustainability means that the city considers an increase in energy Efficiency a reduction in fossil fuel use and greenhouse gas emissions and a protection of its natural resources as it operates The guide is called toward a sustainable community a toolkit for local government available from UW extension in print or online this guide deals specifically on how a local government Can internally change its approaches to energy buildings transportation purchasing investments and hiring Lucky for us this trail has already been blazed and you won't have to invent the wheel We can follow the communities before us like the cities of Ashland Washburn in Madison Douglas and Bayfield counties and more who have pledged to work towards becoming an eco municipality Using a systems approach if you sign on to this endorsement. It's a great first step I would suggest that you might go beyond this endorsement in the future and get the community involved with planning and oversight Our city departments have begun to do some sustainable work already like energy efficiency and our traffic signals and others So let's keep track of it and reports and publicize it this kind of success and innovation as a win-win for everyone. Thank you Thank you That's it Okay, thank you very much for addressing the council Next item on the agenda is a consent agenda 13 1 to 13 21 president Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move that all our O's be accepted and placed on file and All our C's be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion All Amanda wheel Thank you, honor. I'd like to pull item 13 15 and ask for a separate vote 1315 And our C by the mayor's international committee recommended amending the composition of the mayor's international committee to increase the membership from 15 up to 17 I need a motion all men Hanna to put the rest report except an adopt report committee Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to accept and adopt RC 1315 Subs resolution And okay, the motion is to accept and adopt the RC and pass the substitute resolution And there was a second to that under discussion on number of Andrew Thank you honor the reason why I asked for a separate vote is because in last three years We've changed this number a couple times and I feel that we should just leave it the way it is Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you mayor. I guess I just would like to say that the substitute resolution is changing that up to 17 members we don't necessarily need that we are at 15 right now and we can stay there but we just wanted to our committee is a working committee there and if we ever need the extra people to To do the fundraising and that type of thing that we do we were just looking to maybe increase it at that time It's right now. We'll we will keep it at 15, but it's just if we can take it up to 17 in the future When the need arises that is what we're looking at right now. Thank you. Thank you more discussion Target McLean, thank you honor all the person Kittleson the up to 17 members I'm assuming the mayor would decide how many members to appoint each year based on probably input from Committee members because where I read up to 17 that could be five That could be ten could be you know, so that's fine with the committee We're fine. We're at 15 right now, and we need to go up to 17. We could get the mayor's discretion Yeah, and the appointments would be confirmed by you the common council Okay Any more discussion? There being none. Please call the roll born Boke Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel and wongamon 13 eyes one no motion carries now we need to act on 13 1 through 13 21 with that exception and there was a there was a motion to to pass Any more discussion on that There is none. Please call the roll Boke Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wongamon and boron 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1322 1323 to be referred Report of officers to 1324 by city plan commission Recommended endorsing the principles of sustainability as outlined and apply these principles in its decision-making planning policymaking and municipal practices and Pass a substitute resolution all of them on to my own Thank you your honor. I moved to accept and file and the substitute resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second, and I believe you had to correct it one that Okay, that's the one you're acting on under discussion All in bulk. Thank you, your honor. I would counsel this body to to Be somewhat skeptical on this this opportunity Through no I want nothing disparaging to be thought about the the woman who spoke earlier or about the distinguished older person from the fifth district, it's just that I Think these things in the resolution Are wonderful things we all want this we all want clean beaches. We all want To reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and all these things I think this would be a distraction from the very few things that the taxpayers of Sheboygan have hired us to do We have about 48 to 50 committees in this town already And I'm not sure that the formation of another committee with such vague vague and grand desires Like to reduce dependence on fossil fuels reduce dependence on chemicals Those are all wonderful goals and that I'm sure great distinguished people at the federal level are working on I'm not sure it falls in the purview of what we as a city should be focusing our business on and all of those things Can be dealt with and can be encouraged without the formation of additional committees Everyone all of these things if we were to decide to buy electric buses We wouldn't need this designation to have a good open discussion on whether An electric bus is a good thing and whether burning the the coal necessary to generate the electricity to put into the batteries We could have that without this so I would counsel the the distinguished members of this body to focus on the handful a few things Like cutting taxes that the taxpayers have encouraged us to do thank you all about there is a Point I should clarify though that the reason I was asking is you do have a separate copy of the resolution The same issue was was discussed during the city plan commission meeting about creating another committee and that act that Paragraph was actually stricken From from the resolution. So the one is being passed tonight should yep. Everybody's got it on their desk. It says Corrected copy. There's a separate single sheet Looks like this Okay Wonderful thing and I'm glad we've had the sense to do that then I'm not sure what the economic benefit to our city is To go after this designation. I'm not I'm not sure how that I think it might be a distraction Okay, and again that issue was discussed by the city plan commission and the commission felt that by doing That by passing as resolution it would be a confirmation of the efforts that are being made right now to heaven self-sustaining community and We have almost like this Thank You your honor. I appreciate that the committee has Passed us along to the council to approve The committee would have the extra committee would have been nice, but I asked for it But I can understand why we won't do that I also think that we can look at decisions and make resolutions that don't always have Latent economic benefits to what we do. This isn't all just dollars and cents We also have to look at our city as a place that we want to protect and all the development that's going into the city All the money that we're putting into the developing areas buildings We need to be sure that the environment can sustain them and that's my my concern is that we are looking at the big picture And not just the bottom line. Thank you. Thank you all in cleanest all of them in kittleson No, okay Second time thank you honor and I am not looking at this is just the bottom line I just have these are mom and apple pie in my eyes These are mom and apple pie goals and I would hate for this or this body to spend a lot of time chasing after designations that We all want to be green. We all want sustainability There are some vague things in here that sometimes outside the municipal level at the state and federal level get used for political purposes beyond The discourse about true chemistry and true physics and such of that nature So again, I just think it's a distraction for the work that this body in the city needs to do Thank you any further we'll take the vote All the many thank you, I would simply speak on behalf of the resolution one thing it does is authorizes and reinforces all departments to periodically and consistently consistently review their policies and And so doing we are kept to the task we save dollars long-term in all probability and improve the environment at the same time It's a win-win. Thank you Any other discussion? There being none all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Most should carries one nay all in bulk 1325 1326 Lies over to November 26 and alderman you have the mayor's executive budget on your desk Any questions, please direct them to my office or Nancy buses 1327 1342 to be referred Alderman wanted my look. Thank you your honor on agenda item number 1331. I make a motion to file Motion and second to file 1331 under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries all my ren flash. No Resolutions introduced three 1343 by alderman Hannah and Meyer adding an employee representative from meet public library to the group health insurance committee President Hannah, thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion second under discussion President have thank you This will help rectify an oversight in which the Library did not have a seat at the table for this important discussion We're we're making great progress and they very much want to be part of that progress Very good, and it's a very good idea Any more discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? motion carries 1344 1346 to be referred Report of committees 7 1347 to 1348 to be referred Report of committees 8 1349 by finance recommended establishing an early retirement incentive program and Authorizing the mayor and the director of human resources to offer the benefits to qualifying city employees President Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor. I would make a motion to accept The resolution put upon its passage second motion and second to adopt the report of committee and put resolution puns passage under discussion all in Gisha Thank You your honor. I'd like to Offer up to friendly amendments to this document leave do Moving first to page 2 after the last further resolved The date of November 16th 2007 be stricken and the date of October 12th 2007 be inserted and one additional I'd like to add an additional be it further resolved and that would be Be it further resolved that the city of Sheboygan also will remain flexible to all legal options for disbursements There's an amendment to document 1349 Everybody understand the amendment any discussion on the amendment All right, thank you. Thank you, Your Honor Could you just explain all in Gisha the second amendment a little more detailed the opening to all legal disbursements Gisha Certainly, thank you As we've made our way through this this process We tried to keep a consistent Arrangement and offer to all those who possibly may have Interest in this program However consistent we try to be everybody kind of has their own individual needs obviously for for the retirement end So this will allow some to do things such as take the money a little bit of the money, maybe an 08 rather than 07 For tax purposes for them personally it makes them a little bit It doesn't affect our bottom line on the program Some may wish to prepay health insurance some may wish to do this or that and we as a city I think the spirit of my amendment was we as the city would like to Accommodate as many people as we can fairly This is as long as it's within our our ability to do so by statute and law so The the amendment should just give additional flexibility to those disbursements where none really existed in the document before Thank you all in Gisha Any further discussion? All the many thank you, Your Honor. I would like to have a little commentary in response to this kind of concern I voice this in public works as we talked about it Is I sit down to evaluate the way the finances work out short term? It works well Longer term it becomes more questionable and problematic is to where the break-even point is So I would like to ask Alderman Gisha for instance to respond to this or others on finance For their analysis of the longer term Fiscal benefit to this as opposed to the short term. Thank you President how oh, thank you if I may Thank you very much for the question Mr. Mayor All the person manning's Concerns are valid if you do not marry a Concerted effort on the part of department heads to reshape and rethink the way they deliver services. He's quite right That it's successful in the short term but longer term It's barely a break even what's critical in this is that you'll notice in our proposal That a portion of the savings come back into the city and replenish the coffer So this is a self-funding mechanism. I think that's very important that people understand This is not just money going out But the savings is coming back to us at an implied rate of interest So it's a it's a good financial decision on part of the city Thank you president Hanna or Magesha. Did you wish to further if I may thank you your honor? An excellent point From my fellow first district alderman in something that we had a lot of discussion about It was it turned out to be quite interesting because each department has their own needs and end result from doing this For instance DPW's result will be different from the police department's result And all the person Hannah is incredibly correct These aren't just paying off the high and hiring the low you can do that all day long and you're right Suddenly that time frame of payback shrinks to probably three and a half years We were shooting for five years and beyond and the only way that works is with reorganization I think the the police department to step forward with some very aggressive reorganization plans that kind of hinges on this Which makes it quite critical for them There was some reorganization regarding the fire department example the The people who would take it are going to be replaced by a differential of quite substantial differential in the annual pay But also they come in as potential paramedic ambulance Personnel which is of great help to their organizational chart because of the pending change of January 1 and in DPW They've done taking the opportunity to reorganize some some management structure and some supervisory structure We always talk about taking that box and making it more of a triangle of management and While this doesn't take us the whole way This is certainly a start that we haven't seen in quite some time and so some may see it as exchanging a $10 employee for a for a $5 employee It does go well beyond that internally with the Presentations that each of those departments made to our finance committee and the I want to thank older person Hannah We had dozens of meetings on this and certainly the members of the representatives of our police department DPW and our fire department all stepping forward We tried to have Discussions way out in the open anybody who'd possibly remotely be interested in this program come on in doors a wide open open Government stuff, so their input was just spectacular and it took a long time We would rather that had this before budget time completed But it was necessary to get all their input and try to get something that seemed fair But your your point is was extremely well taken. Thank you. Thank you. I'm gonna get you I want to play this. Thank you, Your Honor Excuse me. Thank you, Your Honor The reorganization that you mentioned do you feel as if That should be in this amend this resolution Do you think it's on the road already or are we complicating things? I just want to be sure that this is not just You know not a surprise to anybody three years from now if they're in tight spots that they haven't reorganized or whatever Just a question President Hanna I think thank you very much for the question I think this is a great opportunity to empower them department heads that are affected by this To use their management skill, which they have a great deal of to craft a solution I think that our role with all their people is really to set the stage to give them the tools to make them successful And I think this is another tool we've given them. I I don't want to overstep my bounds and micromanage the process I wanted to create an environment where they could make good decisions Okay, we will call the roll on the amendment This is on the amendment. Does everybody know the amendment? Alderman Gisha Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wongamon Warren and Boke 14 eyes motion carries President Hanna need a motion to to pass as amended I would make the motion to pass the resolution as amended and put upon. I'm sorry and put upon his passage motion in second on the discussion There is none. Please call the roll Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wongamon boron Boke and Gisha 12 eyes to nose Motion carries 1350 by salary and grievances Establish it in early retirement incentive program and authorizing the mayor and director of human resources to offer the benefits to qualifying city employee This is here also because it went to two committees Alderman Montemay. Oh, thank you your honor because I it seems to me This is a little redundant. Do you need us to pass this one also file? I'll make a motion to file Both of them. Yep motion to file Any discussion All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries 1351 by finance recommended authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget establishing appropriation for South Pier boat docks President Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor on I'd accept and adopt the Authorization and put the resolution upon his passage motion a second second. I mean motion and there's a second under discussion President Hanna Thank you. I just I I want to give some credit to to all the person Gesha for having the insight this this could Be a real win for us as a city in terms of bringing Trade shows the town dealing with the the marina and boats and All the Mingesha took it upon himself to really champion this and shine the light on it. I appreciate that Thank you all Mingesha anymore There is none Please call the roll kiddleson clay Eunice Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wangeman Warren Bulk Gisha and Hannah 14 eyes motion carries ordinance introduced 10 1352 lies over Matters laid over 11 12 23 Resolution number 105 0708 by element born play Eunice bout and Gisha Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Established an appropriations for the Information Technology Department Alderman vice president boring Thank You, Your Honor I'll make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion in second under discussion under discussion your honor For the people watching on television that don't have a copy of the agenda we recently made the Information Technology Department a separate department it used to be with finance and what we're passing here are the various cost centers That we can you know that we can do this making a separate department. Thank you my president no formality there Okay, please call the roll clay Eunice Manny Excuse me Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wangeman Warren Bulk Gisha Hannah and Kittleson 14 eyes motion carries 1224 resolution number 1060708 by Alderman born play Eunice Bulk and Gisha Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2007 budget Establishing appropriation for expenses related to job recruitment in the finance department and human resources department Vice president born Thank you, your honor. I'll move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion in second under discussion There is none, please call the roll Manny Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wongamon Warren Bulk Gisha Hannah Kittleson and Clowness 14 eyes Motion carries 1234 general ordinance number 540708 by Alderman born Wangeman clay Eunice Manny and Rinflaich creating article 9 of chapter 110 of the municipal code and Repealing and recreating section 10 dash 2 of the municipal code so as to regulate sidewalk cafes in the city of Sheboygan Vice president born Thank you, your honor. I'd like to make a motion to refer this back to the law and licensing committee for further discussion Could I ask you to refer that city planning to also city planning is it okay with second? Okay, under motion in second under discussion vice president born I just wanted to mention that the for all interested parties and wishing to be heard on this issue The next law and licensing committee meeting will be Tuesday October 9th at 5 p.m. In the council chambers Thank you vice president born All in bulk. Thank you, your honor, and I appreciate the chairman's Motion to send it back. That's absolutely appropriate in this case. There are several several vendors and businesses in district 2 who Started sidewalk cafes this summer by getting special dispensation from the city And it was a very successful summer for them and they they would they want to be deeply involved in changing this There's no no one thinks that this resolution isn't necessary. It's specifically the Elements of article 110-503 the regulations things like when we'll tell these people to quit serving their alcohol things like The burden of putting up a physical barrier the requirements for food service all of these apparently were modeled on The city of Madison where they have tens of thousands of students descending on their city That like to drink and mixing students with alcohol creates a different set of Situations and we have here in the city of Sturboigan So I encourage for our folks and friends out there in TV land if you care about sitting in the sidewalk cafes next summer I'd encourage you and the owners of those businesses to go out and be part of that on Tuesday October 9th. Thank you Your honor Thank you all in bulk next we have Thank you, mr. Mayor, and I just wanted to publicly thank all the person born and all the person RIN flash For sending this back to the appropriate committees My phone has been ringing quite a bit on this issue So there's lots of interest and I'm glad that the public is going to have a chance to to be heard on October 9th Thank you President Hanna Alderman Langeman Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would encourage the Alderman to contact the business places in their respective districts because not everybody watches these proceedings Just to make sure that everybody who was interested would Surely be there because we'll certainly welcome the discussion Alderman Langeman Alderman Menorwell Thank you, your honor. I'm uh, I'm glad this is going back to community because discussion is good and and We could use maybe some guidance on this But I also need to say that we need to be very careful because right now The perception is kind of out there that we're being anti-business that we're that we want to put more restrictions on people and make it harder for people to do things and We need to be careful not to make perception a reality Thank you. I'm gonna will and one more oh my Ryan Thank You mr. Mayor Yeah, I would urge the law and licensing committee on this to to basically rethink the whole thing these Permission that has been granted to people to have sidewalk cafes has really added a lot to our downtown When you drive by a place and you see people sitting on the street you you get the perception of Life there of vibrancy of business going on and people naturally congregate to other people and when they're sitting out on the street They're that much more visible We don't want to you know We want to be as proactive as we can here to encourage Business in the community not to discourage it and I see no sense whatsoever in regulating It perceived problem when there is no problem at this time. Thank you. Thank you. All right There is no more discussion all in favor referring back to law and license and city planning commission say aye any opposed Motion carries 1240 general ordinance number 550708 by element of rehearsal Montemayor Hyde man Gisha and Meyer Amending the municipal code so as to change the table of organization of the city development department director of city development and Engineering city engineer all of them want to my own Thank you your honor. I moved to put the ordinance upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call roll Meyer Montemayor RIN flash Ryan Smith Vanderweel Wongamon Warren Boke Yesha Hannah Kittleson Clowness and Manny 14 eyes Motion carries other matters authorized by law 1353 lies over 1354 is being referred to salary and grievances other matters of turning McLean Thank You your honor 1355 is a resolution approving the second amendment to contract for sale of land for private development and amendment to promissory note By in between River Park Place of Sheboygan LLC and the redevelopment authority of the city Sheboygan That will lie over 1356 is an ordinance amending section 29-75 of the 1975 municipal code so as to change the title and job code for the assessment coordinator and the assessor's office table of organization That will lie over 1357 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2008 and June 30 2009 That will be referred to law and licensing 1358 is a resolution authorizing the proper city officials to sign and enter into Agreements with the cities of Fond du Lac and Manitouac for the purposes of providing clinical ride-along refresher training for city Sheboygan firefighter Paramedics and that lies over in motion to adjourn Motion second only favors a aye can you oppose and adjourn