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Oh, yeah I know you got a lot of black from that name Is that where your mama named you from? I gotta make sure 1977 the year the movie came out. That's the year she decided to switch my name from my pops name to She had named you your pops first. No, that was the intentions But I was born in February of 77 the same month the movie came out That's when she made a decision. She switched over and you were getting teased like he was asking have you ever got Indeed a lot a lot. Did you ever go to your mama's and mama? Why did you name me? I sit down front of TV every year every black history month that she made you watch the movie She made me watch it. She would never explain it to me. She would just sit me down. Let me watch it You know, I mean I never explained it never explained it to me What did you get from it off in the long run in the beginning the same question you ask why why name me? You know something of nature. Yeah, right. Oh I really don't understand the film at the time and when did you get it? Oh? Maybe all my first juvenile jokes. How are you? Well my first you not just probably 13 13 How did you get it? What happened? Why you got it a restful? Possession of a stolen car or pistol. I know and then why did it you get the fact that okay? This is why okay. I had a chance to actually read the book and I actually seen the trail of the book instead of the movie is a little better. Yes, it's better I mean, I don't necessarily know if everything in the book is actually facts Yeah, it's better. It's better. It's deeper. You know, I mean you get the contents of the religious parts of it Okay, the culture part. Yes. Yes, so that kind of effect me even more I appreciate it for indeed resting peace to my mom's rest in peace So you were raised by your mom and your daddy when I was raised by my mom's full while Then my grandma my grandmother took over why what happened to your mom why? She was awesome. She was okay. I mean Pretty good woman, but she still has you know, you know, she had to do what she gotta do indeed indeed How old were you when you when your grandmother took over? At least nine nine ten nine ten years old only child Okay, so you spoiled Gratting especially when grandma raised you know how grandma this be doing indeed my mother was her youngest daughter out of five so Tell me something that you learned from your mom and it also tell me something that you learned from your grandma That's stuck with you over the years. Well, the biggest thing that I live off now is take nothing for granted. Here it Take nothing for granted. You know, I mean I Was raised pretty you know in a pretty fair situation until you know certain things start to happen in my family with my mom's husband So that kind of sent me through a little tizzy. I was all I would say I was off my rocker, you know, you're like you wanted your mama there all the time and stuff like that Yes, your mama's always the moms. Yeah, my grandmother. She was awesome, but you know, that was not your mom. Yes. Yes Yes, so With that being said, that's why I kind of went running off the path You know the path that I was on because I was pretty focused as a kid when I was with my mom So where was your dad doing all of this? Oh and not a prison, you know, you know He probably either been in and out of prison or either he was just landlord. We had good communication No, but he wasn't with mom. So I wouldn't fully accept him. Hmm. So he couldn't tell you none Like you're not right here. You can't discipline me can't do none Yeah, because we even when I respect them highly though. You respect them highly. Yes, indeed Because you know how it's so funny because I know a lot of men who sit at that seat and They love their mom It's always a mom who always end up being a person who's taking care of them daddy somewhere around But it's always the mom who's taking care of them But there's always a point in time somewhere in their life where the son is too much to handle because you know A man is a boy becomes a man and like I can't deal with you. You know, you try we arguing I just can't handle you. They always try to call daddy to deal with the son But as much as you love mom and you respect mom, you also get into it You know what I mean and that's the thing like me being a mom I'm like you want you only mean the best for your kids. You want your kids to do right You try to raise them as best as you can but you can't be there all the time You can't hold I always tell my kids life won't teach you stuff that I can't and be you know what I mean Cuz no matter how much you tell them tell them tell them as a child I know that there's a lot of things that you did just like he said he didn't get to you got older And what I realized about that as a parent It's our job to tell you to constantly tell you don't worry if you you're gonna do it But just tell you instead because when God is ready your ears will be open to receive it You understand what I mean. So when we love somebody we want you to do it right then in there Because we we know that it's good for you But it's hard to this No, no So what did your grandma tell you tell you that helped you my grandmother she like I said she was a beautiful woman To kill me. Well, you know I'm saying she was a backbone of family She passes well, but Rams like you know, she just she just you know always was there for me You know, I mean always took care of me nice, you know took care of things I need to handle in my life mentally. She was Good for my condition my conditioning in my head and mentally cuz I really want to be with my mom but Streets deal to go with streets to go at some point see the reason why I love to ask all these questions because a lot of Time when people do crime or do certain things We you know people get mad at the person for doing these things But don't realize that trauma in their past is what caused them to do certain things and lead them up to where They're at you know what I mean because we had little snoop mom who came on the show and She was they had a little program that they that they went through where because her son got killed Mm-hmm, and they had a program where they brought all the moms who lost their sons into a room And they faced people not the murderer of their son or their kids but people who actually killed people and You know reform came out and they talked about their childhood where some of them was either sexually abused or Went through different things and that's what caused them to be on this path So the mom's tend to end up having empathy indeed for you know Although their their kids were lost because of you know great But you really don't know what that person was going through Why they become the person who they are you know what I mean? So that's why I like to go back into your history to see what you had to go through Well in that in that aspect I would say well I just recently found out before I was released from Angola that I was diagnosed with Anxiety issues, but I mean I really didn't realize that I've been having that sense of kid I never knew that that's why when I kind of like go off. I can't calm down Literally blackout and I couldn't calm down couldn't calm down Well, I just realized that as you know all my way out Wow, and I got diagnosed with anxiety attack That's what that is because I hear some people say I get so mad that I blackout and I don't I don't I can't tell you What just happened? So is that what that is? Well, I never been to the point where I couldn't tell you exactly what took place But I know I can't come now. You can't calm down and that's anxiety. Yes. Yes. Wow And I think that's caused by a lot of black families don't take their kids to especially Doctors, I'm not talking just physical doctors But when they think about mental because a lot of parents feel like you're not gonna label my child crazy Especially in school, you know what I mean? They don't want a label come over their kids But they're not realizing that if it's a constant thing that's Happening you can get right and you can get your child, you know help whether counseling or Medicine or anything like that. Do you have to be a medicine now or you just know? Well, I refuse to take any type of psych meds while I was locked up You know I'm saying I mean just them putting me on top and me kind of you know Just channeling in my focus when I'm in a situation or certain situations. I know I can't handle You know, I just shy away from my poor myself back from them because I know why I entertain it I'm gonna take it. It's awareness is the first thing is knowing what you have and then moving on from there And then, you know, I Didn't age that we're in now You can find out anything on social media or on YouTube so you can always find out calming situations How to so that can be your doctor, right? There's there they're herbal remedies that you can take people drink teas to calm themselves down You know stuff like that, but so tell me about a time I know you the first time you got in trouble. How old were you? Well, really? I was the bit of first time I got in trouble. Well, my first juvenile juice. I was 13 13 13 Yeah, but I had a couple of what happened at 13 Possession of a stolen vehicle in a pistol pistol side just basically John right, okay Did you finish high school? No, no, no, I was a Time I was released from Scotland a juvenile juice. I was I mean it wasn't too long before I was right back in on this adult charge For something that I had no idea and how old were you when you went in for this adult charge? 17 and tell me what happened Literally it was an altercation in my neighborhood, which is the higher-field housing project We had altercation in that neighborhood at our DJ was mom neighborhood friends or whatever and I'm doing all This was taking place something else was taking place in the desire housing project Which is like five and a half miles away from our house project. Okay, I can't necessarily explain to you What took place in the desire what a life was taken? Okay, in that situation the life that was taken they give it Charge to me and my two co-defendants while saying that we committed the crime and all but you weren't there at all In fact, we was on the back of a cop car. We thank God we got stopped in the traffic stop right doing the Proceedings of this murder if it wasn't for the proceedings of this murder. Oh, I Mean I was being in a traffic stop during the proceedings of this murder. I probably wouldn't be talking you all the day Yeah, because then if it was It's a law enforcement officer who was there So they can't say he's lying to help you if it was a friend to be like well He lying you know how they be doing well We did have an officer that ought actually made the traffic stop He literally told him that our traffic stop was in Intentionally a traffic stop. Oh, it didn't have anything to do with a murder Okay, but they had officers in the fifth district that was saying that it was actually a sentence involved in the crime Five and a half miles away and the time okay So what time did it stop happening? What time did that crime happen? Okay? What a crime happening that died like exactly like 922 that was one of the first calls came in about the crime shots being fired Okay, all and then your stop happened at what time no later than 90 927 930 We was in a traffic stop. Yeah, you couldn't make it that far in that sort of a time Okay, our name was being all well one of my co-defendants name was being broadcast over the radio While we was in the traffic stop and it was saying that we was fleeing from a scene In the desire housing project headed towards the interstate So was it somebody that looked like y'all that they saw that they thought it was y'all no no no no no This was cuz I'm like, why did they where did they get y'all's name from that's this was not a mistaken identity This wasn't dismiss this but who told them the name. It was the cops. They just came up with y'all names Cops literally give the names up To the actual victim who was in the car and he actually Mention our names to them. They have documents. This is public records. Do you know which police officer? Told them this name Lynn Davis did he have something against y'all? That's the part that I'm confused about yeah Cuz I'm like if you had your name on the tip of his tongue like that, you know, yes Yes, so um if it was it was true something that was happening in the streets Did you know him personally not at all? Did you ever have any running with him before not at all not with him personally not not that I could recall I don't have a few run-ins with cops But not that I could recall actually or your or your friend did your friend have any run-ins with him Not that we can recall. Okay. Yes My him working in the fifth district when we are the first different first district We are too much encounter fifth district cops, so for that situation to go like that. I mean I don't know how I played out on how the narrative was drawing up Yeah, but he was because that's just crazy that he just came up with you know Y'all's name picked y'all name knew your names to say yes, so were there witnesses at that? Location this is that the feds had the whole thing tap Okay, this was what a shooting was yet the whole everything it was under federal investigation for operation shadow shield Which they was investigating a lot of crooked cops that was working under the branch or Lynn Davis or what not and all They actually had everything on record. They actually knew that we didn't commit the crime, but that has film footage I don't know. I really don't know what it footage, but I know they had audio for sure. Okay. I know they had audio or There may be a few things from the cell phones that this is how they used to communicate Right phones was given to them by the feds and they did literally didn't know that they had phones from the feds at the time Hmm, so this is how a lot of the information was being tapped Okay, so This was highly publicized Soldier slim mentions it in a song it mentioned you guys in a song. How does that were what time period was this? Well, so it's them all I'm running to so slim probably made around 96. Oh He was incarcerated with me in Orleans parish. He was incarcerated for this charge 94 So we actually come through on the charge while we was on till already. Wow. So, uh, how was he? Oh, just dealing with him. Oh slim slim slim straight, bro You know, I mean, I know a lot of people say this that not all you know, the street gangster shit He's a good dude, bro. Literally. He's a good guy. Just just firm right gonna stand firm on what he believe in, you know so And it was a pretty good people, you know, we fuck round with tell me something that he did that You know, a lot of people say he was good But I love to hear a story of something that he did that, you know, Well, we're stuck out man He had a weird encounter for those that was in the Paris dig a vouch for it or what not And he come on until he didn't want to do any rapping because he's not a like rapper rapper for just to be rapping Yeah, but me being from downtown. I wanted to hit something, you know, I had to purchase music from him before You know, I was a cosy rate. I didn't bought some of his albums and shit. So, you know, I wasn't feeling him not Wrapping you know, but you mean you're not rapping and you're older than he is. Well, it's not around the same age Okay, so I wasn't feeling that so I'm like, you know, somebody gets niggas beats You're gonna But you know real shit, you know, you're gonna rap but you're gonna run something they got unspent, you know So he kind of respected approach it wasn't like he called out and did right, you know He respected didn't come at him like that, you know, so you got out from that point on he got out You really? Yeah, you rock the till so you rock the till that's what he do because you guys locked up like this is a freedom This is a sense of freedom. Oh shit. Yeah, this is all shit man. Yeah, don't come in here being caged Like we can't you know, like we can't just be free in here. It's the same way in the world Yes, then he was that nigga. He was the artist at the time, you know, so How was he can you know how a lot of time when we listen to somebody on the records They sound one way, but when you hear them in person, they sound a different way No, that's no that's no he's not in the same way both ways language when you talk when you rap It's all slim slim shit don't change don't change. So when he when he wrapped during that time Was this before then after he came home? That's when he put y'all name in that song. Yeah. Well, he had Incident well, I don't necessarily necessarily think my name would have made a song or my co-defendants would have made a song Due to the fact we from downtown Slimming is a uptown no, yeah all the way through all the way through he's a uptown respect real niggas But you know, he's all about his uptown name. Oh, he's not the one that just really be boasting bout dudes from downtown Yeah Him and all got my neighborhood Which I'm real close to as crazy. Okay, one in five or four boys They had a little encounter So with them having their encounter and men him have already had met each other and him living on a till with me You know, he just had to fix that in a matter where you know, okay? I'm one with your project brother at the same time. I know the real was out there You know just that the third. Yeah, but at the same time, you know Crazy not no chump either. He just He's a brain. Yeah, not a move right? He's smart. He's a brain. So you just stay a clear the shit, bro You know, he's not a stat away. He's not an idiot, you know, so He was smart enough not to take that walk Wow, just a special shout out to my daughter who just sent me her her straight a's And she 95 to a hundred and she in the 12th grade and she won her $300. I told her any Anything that she go up over 95 in a subject she get an extra So she just hit me up. We about to send her that 300. She said she said send me that 300 Yeah, senator three like dang she said grades are in she was she couldn't wait on that Yeah, senator 300 gonna give her money. She deserve it. Congratulations. That's hard man Sorry about that Yeah, man, so go going back into the story bus by so just like when you think about how the city embraced him after all of this You've seen that coming. Yes. Yes. Yes. He's the one man. He's the one. I mean if you you needed the culture of The city there's nobody that could really just wrap the whole culture of the city the mentality of the city and rap With slim at that time. What you know When you think about slim that day when you you heard about when he got killed in front of his home Where were you you were locked up? Of course during that time, but what what ran across your mind? That was hard breaking Bro, that was hard, but you can almost see it. You know, I'm saying away slim live You know I'm saying, I mean, you know, you don't wish that on him But you know, I mean he was kind of erratic and during that time, bro You know, I'm saying the city really didn't respect rappers like that So slim was the only one that kind of navigated through that shit being a street nigger and a rap at the same time The rest of the rappers we were just looking at him as how could you say that city didn't respect rappers when you had bird Man from down here. I'm just giving you the question You had bird man from down here. You had mouse appeal. You had no limit You had all these guys down here. How could you say that the city didn't respect them when they had uplifted them? Okay, well If you notice when bird man first come out during his mostly all of his raps He consistently tell you that I ain't a rabble They all I'm against him Yeah, he did not want the rapper stigma He don't want a rabble stigma He won't rob him money, but he don't want to rap a stigma. That's that rabble, you know I mean generations as it's going along. I mean, we embrace it now, but during those times and our rapples was characters Rappers would carry the sling was one of the ones that made the exception Round the time, yeah Wow So when you because being that you were you know that era when bird man them first came out with uh cash money And I'm gonna ask about p2, but you was out you was in the streets, right? Yes What what was something to stick out about that era for you when when bird man them came Because I know you hear the fact that he a gangster y'all down here y'all live He he actually from where is he from he from He's from uptown uptown. He is uptown. Just put it that way. You can move across the board uptown. Okay, so When you see him in that whole movement, what does that how does that hit you like proud of his beautiful? Yeah, very beautiful, man, you know only thing I don't like is not seeing him in p p hook up They never did hook up didn't you know? I mean I understand the situation the street situation You know, I don't want to go into details of that with the two neighborhoods Well, man that that that that would be so uplifting that would have been a big city That's even right now even what right now today If they came together then guys to see if calio came together with uptown is what you're saying I know if they could see masterpiece And baby together Do you think calio in uptown right? Well, that's calio and magnolia magnolia Yeah, but do you think that there might ever be a time that they can put their differences aside to just do it for The city to bring the city together Well, I mean knowing the mentality of guys from New Orleans It's a hard rock. That's a hard rock because I mean it's a lot of lives lost and a lot of things went on between You know different projects that you know wouldn't allow them to to really just sit out and overlook all that shit So, you know, but it would be a healing because you know, even like I gotta put it I gotta put it right back to the mode three yellow busy from Dallas, you know We we can't say The fact of the matter is masterpiece still here and baby's still here. They're both still living You know, so I can't really just always go back and talk about yellow busy and multiple motories gone But I so wish that they could have put their differences Aside and had came together Just to do it for the city, you know what I mean because it would have it would have stopped a lot of foolishness Yes, but when you look at uh mouse to pee and when you look at bird man, they KL came on the show KLC He was telling me that he had them and soldier slim in his place Wrapping to body body free styling to it So there was a time when they could be in the same room and embrace each other as before the fame took off I'm telling you. This is something he spoke of on my show So that right there tells me that that before the you know, some shun cotton said shout out say she shun cotton He said you never know nobody till they get money. Mm-hmm. Is that true? Well, I mean, it's I mean, I can't speak for those guys and not just just them but people in general Yeah, because that that changes a lot and I mean in the world is definitely brother because it's it's rough down there Real talk. I mean, there's not money at all On that that level, you know, I'm saying so for them to win like that to win that big I mean, you know, you would have to distance yourself for me motherfuckers just say, well, excuse my language. They would Say peace, uh, baby or whatnot scary leader state or whatever they came, you know It's about the smartest thing they could ever did Was lead estate? I mean this state cheers to up man for real if they could put me in prison at 17 years old For a person I've never seen in my life if you could do that to a kid three kids I mean, what's what's the chance of maybe You know stunts P lasting with all that money in this state. What wherever you locked up at again? Angle all these parish hunts. So you was locked up with mac Yeah, well, I went through hunts mac was on on the other side when I went Okay, so you never did time never ran into him, but y'all were on the same unit at time And and and because he's another case that I look at down here I look at the way you guys go through this system and I never hear good things about this system That's why when I come through here, I come through here And I'm coming up out of here because it's just like You never hear good things about What it is to deal with that system that judicial system Compared to the stories I hear just with the young man that was just on here It's just crazy that you just you it's justice ever really served down here No, not that I know of not that at all not even in my situation with me just coming home You know, I mean, uh, I appreciate the fact that um judge, you know, head district attorney my judge, um Found it in a heart to uh overlook everything that the material I was before and um Rendered the decision she came with but uh at the same time and it just threw me back out here I mean after 28 and a half years, you know, I'm back out in the streets The city's the murder capital again. Like I said when I went in it was the murder capital I'm back out here in all the little programs they have to try to help fund individuals You know, it's better than it was What actually bro does really know, you know, no assistance for us, bro You just toss me out in this world, bro, you know, I'm saying I got a feeling for myself. I got a festival I mean, I got to feed myself. You know, I'm saying a transportation things of that nature I mean, and uh, I don't see no compensation for it. I don't see where they're gonna Where they're gonna find the actual bag to compensate us for it I mean, they got several guys that came out before me that won legal suits Long suits and things and they still haven't received any money So this shit is consistently being, you know, you got mad within the last five six years You probably had like 20 something guys come home. That was falsely accused I don't yeah, I just Man, I don't I don't like hearing the stories, but I love seeing you home. Indeed, you know what I'm saying You look like me. So I love seeing you home I I because some people die in that place. Indeed you was you was laying by side people that Never coming home. Indeed indeed, you know, I watched a lot of them die Who's the who's the most person that you've seen that you ever talked to that had the most time when you was down there like Dang, you got three life sentences. Oh, well, one of my partners wine Wine had five life sentence five life sentence. He made two wine two dead penalties and five life sentences You know, he just got come off that road, you know, I'm saying he hope that was overturned come off that road But he's still sitting with five life sentences. So how was the conversation? How was his temperature when you would talk to him? real humble or man, I mean Real talk, I mean, but it's for like damn to everybody that went in angola Due to the laws. I mean when you get a natural life sentence in angola, that's what they meant literally They should just start No coming around with certain people getting a little playful man. Shit You tell my guys laying next to you 50 years on the books 40 years on the books I'm out literally ain't going nowhere. Ain't got no chance of going home or nothing Wow, that's that's crazy me going in at the age I went in 17 17. Yes. Yes. It's was a harsh And well, how old was you when you got out? Oh 45 17 to 45 for God never seen in my life For a guy you never seen in your life If his mother is watching this if his sister is watching this once again I'm sorry for y'all loss. Like I said, I've never seen your kid in my life and the case now proves that Wow, so For a case like that when you would come up for parole or well, you know When you would come up say they thought when you were about to get out or if it was any chance that you get now Were they campaigning against you? There was no parole. Only reason I got lucky and had parole eligibility because I was a juvenile Due to me being a juvenile I had um parole eligibility came around like 20 2018 for me, you know, so all with that being said I didn't want to all go to parole because I understood my lawyer explained to me that I would have to you know Yes, you're gonna have to admit guilt man. That's no way in the world There's no way in the world not even go on and I'm knowing I've been down for a while That's what you were talking about. Yeah, but you know how many people do that just because they want to go home to see their kids Yes, I don't watch did you have kids man? Yes, I have one daughter. Um before you went in Yes, she was three months when I went when I got incarcerated. Yes How did that feel being away from her? That's the worst. That's the worst. You know, I just can't visit Yeah, I didn't get it. Regular regular regular until she went into the service You know, she went to houston college right now. She's still out there in houston. I just come from out there seeing her So, you know, I have my first grand grandkid. I seen on your page. Yes. Yes. Yes. Mullah guy, bruh Wow, congrats man. I appreciate that because one thing I always would say um, it's hard it's hard for um person to Raise their child from behind prison doors because it's like I heard some people say You know, you can try to tell them but when they're out here They're gonna do what they want to do anyway You know what I mean, but a girl is different though girls are different than boys though girls are a little bit easier to me Yeah, well, um, well men, you know, just feel the need to have their own independence That's just in in us, you know, not saying women not, you know But men just like to be out on their own and be responsible, you know, and so At certain ages you really got to lock in on them. You got to see what they meant to add, you know, I'm saying Give them space, but at the same time you got to be real strict about, you know kids man, because uh Take anything for granted, but it definitely happened to me Tell me about your relationship with boss b. Oh boss beat man. That's that like I say I always say this here about this guy, bro, you know He's one of the smoothest guys I've ever met Next to this guy, you know, I'm saying but all he's one of the smoothest guys I've ever met, bro He's real laid back. He's his lawyer, bro. If you boss fuck with you Fuck with you You know boss, that's hard to find. Yes. He's not the chatterbox type. He's not, you know Off runoff at the mouth too much. I mean straight with the guys he deal with he's he's wandering with it Well, I gotta ask you about, uh Thanks to Terrence Williams. He out here on the internet man and he Hey, hey, everybody see what's going on. Uh boosie has some real harsh words to say about Telling on somebody who you know And and I'm I'm just trying to understand you were locked up with this guy Both of them with boosie as well So he's he said boosie was in protective custody when he was in angola. Is that true? Well, I heard that man the guy was the guy the situation got boosie was in from my understanding He was in the camp with me at one time Boosie had money when he come to jail Simple as that you had money when you come to jail I mean and all the little situation with angola by our old population and the way the prison is being ran It's open. It's wide open. It's not a lockdown prison So I'm talking about is very wide open It's not like any other prison on the inside. So it's a lot of movement a lot of movement So, um with his money, they knew he could have kind of dictated a lot of shit in prison So, um They held him in the cells for a while. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So he went through everything he had to to get out the cells and notice for a fact He was literally trying to come in population He made it out But they sent him to a camp that wasn't really known for you know, it was like, you know Close to a trustee camp. It wasn't no public. I mean it was population, but it wasn't no PC or no shit like that Yeah, he came out. He come out. Wow. So so you how was the temperature when he was there people just knew he Yeah, well, I mean, you know, like I said, bro An angola. It's not to take no credit for them guys, you know what I'm saying, but Rappers don't they don't actually move pieces in angola like that, you know what I'm saying Angola man, you really got to put your work in to be respected in that He's not just come to jail and because you you know, and you take over shit. No It didn't work like that. You know what I'm saying? So it would give me a pretty good guy. Wow I just I look at you know when he was locked up and then he went into a I think he went in for A 18 month stint. I want to say it's been a while But then he ended up had kids they charged him for murder while he was doing this time And then they they start, you know, they tried him for murder They start building cases on him. You thought he was just going for This period of time and then coming home, but it ended up being somewhere. They tried to shift it And then he he winds up on death row And that's that angola. Mm-hmm. And that's what and you were there during that time That's crazy. And Terrence was there during that time. No, well gangster. I was in paris with gangster Okay, so he wasn't there. He wasn't even there during that time. No gangster didn't come to Angola Gangster never been there. So how do you know what kind of time boost he was in and what what type of temperature he was on? Well, I mean because of his you know, his street ties, you know, okay There's a lot of guys that he dealt with on the inside I'm a guy that you know, I used to deal with him heavy too, you know, so It's easy for him to find out things at that point, you know, I mean right now I don't know if guys actually you know Putting him in people business like that right now, but uh At that time, bro, you know, he definitely knew a lot of guys inside of prison But with with the way that he came home I mean because we just talked about how you would do certain things To to to jeopardize who you are indeed But he comes home On a step where he had spoke on some people but they just happened to be dead How I mean, is this something that would you is this something you would have done? No, no, no, no, I actually had a situation like that with this case with my case You know, I'm not taking it or throw any jabs at him, you know what I'm saying, but uh same time That's not something I would have done, you know what I'm saying It's not a way to go man They got other people families who got to put up with that hurt At that shame that you draw in your family, you know what I'm saying now If certain guys in the game, but he puts so much work in the game You know where they over I'm talking about they maxed out in the game, bro You know me some some guys catch that flag, bro because you know people look at him as Scumbags even though there's somebody kids or whatnot Motherfuckers will throw charges on them, you know, they dead So they throw it on them. It won't look any different from all the other charges. Yeah So I think that was his case Yeah, and I get it because I just say, you know, would you being locked up with him and seeing it? Just a close it hits home, you know what I mean where where you definitely was seeing things happen and you seen He was released before you who gangsta. Yes, he was he was And you remember when he came home? Yes Was it the thing where people were talking about the way he came home? Yes. Yes. Yes Is that something because he could he have not just said nothing about and it would have been cool Or they were gonna find out man. Well either way at gold man. I mean gangsta noted. He knows the streets Period, you know straight through and through his decisions was his decision. And I mean, hey man gangsta like, um Oh, gangsta, don't give a fuck He really don't you don't I mean it fucks with him a little bit because I can imagine that he loved the reputation he had You know I'm saying, I mean he said he made his transition that he's not in the street any longer I would hope that's the fact I would hope that's a fact, you know that he's not in the street any longer, but uh Ain't gonna give a fuck. Nobody said about him Wow, you know, he's been like this since a kid. We did juvenile joseph together and Scotland and everything. So I've been on him You know what I'm saying that shit don't mean that to him. He loved the entertainment. Mm-hmm. That's his shit He loved it. He loved it. That's his shit He and that's something I'm I just look at how How, you know, like you the way you done it It wasn't right the way you got, you know done, you know that, you know But to hold it down and just stay true to who you are. I think it says a lot about your character. Yes That's real. That's my hunter. That's all I could say. I meant something to me. Yeah, and mean something to the streets Excuse me, but It's up to me, you know when it's about me, bro, you know, I mean Conscious very conscious of the things I do, bro. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Did you know sterling? Well, I knew him but not personally. I go from seeing him Wow, you know, I know if they I know if they hold their crew. I was on the streets when it was moving around, you know So I knew um, you know stone. I was locked up with him. Scotland. All us was locked up I was here by master Pete brother I never heard stories. So Kevin Miller back when he was, you know, when they were young I never heard I guess it was before they time They had to be very young because when I heard him rap about him even when we would when I was listening to Pete early on Calphe really for me the first one that came, you know, I mean Out from these parts, but he was in LA He was in california And it was like a big deal for me when I heard ice cream and all that his run was ridiculous And and and that hustle is Undeniable, you know what I mean and and he changed a lot of people lives And and I think about it because a lot of people talk about the bird man's in the masterpiece I have to say all the people that were connected to them had had great runs and great lives No matter how you look at Yeah, you can't they ate didn't he? So I love it And and and Kevin Miller was Was with the Tuesday crew. Okay. I didn't know that But at the end of the day, I just I always think about how the music moved down. I always love Louisiana, bro I'm a I ain't gonna lie. I said all the time people from Louisiana anything to do with Louisiana I just I love it. You know what I'm saying? Because I was born five miles from Louisiana. I could have been almost over here I grew up coming over that state line Jay murk, uh, yeah, I'm supporting that guy Okay, yeah, I'm supporting shawty shawty fresh out of the pen with me. You know what I'm saying? He was in the pen with me. I that's one of the young boys, bro You know, I kind of took a liking to when he was like, you know, I stand so I definitely want to see him win Brother, you know, he's been working on his craft. He deserves, you know, he deserves running. He's gonna get it He's gonna get it. Oh, he's gonna get it man. He'll get it when I say in on him You know the manager friend is doing what he got to do, but they work you yeah He got to represent people in the box. Wow, man. How can people get a hold to you or how can people? Uh, link with you, you know, people just want to even donate even rock with you. You probably have a cash out Yes, you know that cash out everything cuz we need to start moving on helping our people man Well, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro Right now I'm really about to take down everything I have up. Wow And I have to relay everything back on them. Yeah, I'm saying I have all Reason being is when I was in the pen, you know, I had a few situations dealing with my charge Where I used to have to speak to certain guys subliminal. Wow, you know Uh Over Instagram So, like, you know, I mean dealing with my charges because I knew it was going on So I had to reach out to serve people to make certain things work, bro. You know, I'm saying, um, this shit was crazy, bro So, um, with that being said A lot of things I had to say on there I had to take down on the page because one of the officers had come to the prison Well, he was fired from the force. Let Davis called the friend. He was fired from the force He come to the prison And he was kind of trying to see if he could like maybe put some pressure on me in the prison You know what I'm saying, but why? Guys wouldn't fuck with me behind the cop period. That wasn't gonna happen, you know, so they not, you know He ain't going against me with too many other kind of niggas either, but a cop definitely They wasn't messing with that. So um Just to let him know that I was still in the midst of the door when I'm doing, you know, I got me Goach move or whatever you trying to do I had to set my Set my page up and have certain shit on it to let him know That I'm ready, you know what I'm saying? Right now that page might link you to some shit that you know, so I don't want people to get that I want you to know I'm in the mr. Pulling all the pages though anything that we can do to help Yes, sir If you need me for anything any shout outs We hear for you. That's that's it. We hear of we family now. I'm gonna follow you here in a minute, too And you gonna follow me and we're gonna be at a link indeed, you know what I'm saying Thank you so much. Come to appreciate you man. My god my new friends. See you again Oh, you better believe it now. Hey when I come to town every time or if you come to Dallas If you ever up that way, but if I come down here, I'm getting another interview of you if you help me Next one man. Oh, we're gonna keep going and then we got a victory tour. Yeah. Yeah, we could have a little money They keep playing with us I would like to share this here, bro. Stay focused on your kids Man real talk man real shit man. You really got to stay focused. I'm gonna say this every chance I get Bro because you know man, they took my mom's You know in my co-defendants, we was kids, bro They took my mom's only child bro for a long fucking time for a long ride, bro And I didn't make it out here to see my mom before she passed bro And you know, I mean, I'm just out here right now, bro You know, I'm still soaking it all in but I'm just out here And bro, I mean the compensation shit is ridiculous. So I'm definitely gonna be talking, but you know what I'm saying So, uh, thank you so much. Nice me man. Hey, man. Check it man It's been another great segment of boss talk one-on-one. What a boss is talk and we are