 three days before my father died I looked at his in his eyes and I had the most profound conversation that I'd had to that moment of my life and there was no word-spoken. Hey everyone welcome to simulation I'm your host Alan Saakyan we are still on site at the transformative technology conference this is our second partnership with them we are now speaking with Charlie Hartwell. Hi Charlie. Hey Alan how are you? Thanks for coming on the program it's good to be here I'm so excited for this conversation Charlie let's as we we're gonna get into bridge builders I'm excited we're gonna ask you some questions to start first question is are we really all one? It's so funny I was talking to my wife about this two days ago and I described my wife as the wisdom of our family and and we were talking about that it's like the answer maybe yes we are and yet we are separate as well that's her wisdom elaborate please so we're all connected but we're we have our individuality and so if we can understand that we're connected to everything but that we're individual and we have our own unique essence or whatever you want to call it so we're part of that but we're we're unique that makes sense yeah so in this in in a sense that as a nerve endings unique nerve endings of creation experiencing itself interconnected nerve endings that are unique of creation experiencing itself but I can still be you and I can be Brady and you guys can be me and that's the interconnectedness as well okay well I don't know if you can be me you are you were connected to me I'm my own individuality I'm my own unique essence I'm connected to you we can be I think connected in you in very unique ways and I think one of my my one of my teachers a long time ago was like you know okay so if you're a drop in the ocean you're the ocean hmm but you're also the drop in the ocean but then you go into the ocean and then where's the drop in your drop can't be my drop and my drop can't be your drop I'm I'm not saying we're part of each other we're part of the oneness okay we're connected yes but I think I'm a unique essence and we can interact our essences can interact okay okay unique essences in the oneness okay okay okay how about so we started there where we going now we are there we are always here I love it how about your own experiences of the interconnectedness your own experiences of maybe ego loss or unconditional love or the present deep present moments so I think the for me I grew up in a family where I was not unconditionally loved so in my own process of awakening it was learning how to be unconditional love to myself and then you know just experiencing unconditional love and understanding that that doesn't need to come from other people that we can find that within ourselves and that we can in and then we can find it the unconditional love from you know comes from other places as well I don't know if that answers your question and it's only part of your question so it's what are the other the other things yeah feelings of interconnectedness ego loss present deep present moment this I was just talking to a guy who you know from the perspective of connectedness who you know felt a heart attack of somebody else 1500 miles away called said is he having a heart attack the answer was yes four years later same thing happened felt that happen called and said is somebody so-and-so having a heart attack and his person said yes and then it has there been one in between those times and the answer is no so that's a pretty you know from thousands of miles away that's pretty connected it seems to me as at least as an example yeah yeah there's still much to understand about the unity of creation but yet the uniqueness of our essences this is a very abstract point it is all one yet the uniqueness of your essence is expressing itself okay is that something to understand or is that something to experience experience he said understand I was like I don't know if you can that we can't understand I'm not sure is it is it an is it is it for understanding or is it for experiencing like comprehending that can it be both I don't know I think it can be both could we understand all of creation I don't think that's impossible but is it impossible to create something more beautiful than creation that may be possible okay we just got there with our last with John conversation with John yeah got it yeah that there may not be anything more beautiful creation yeah the only thing that's impossible is to make something more beautiful than creation how do you feel about that statement I don't really care creations beautiful so why would I need to create something more beautiful just experience the beauty of this one do you think anything is impossible besides making something more beautiful than creation wow is anything impossible I don't know thank you for saying I don't like sitting here saying I need to have an answer and I don't yeah yeah so I might as well shut up yeah what are some of the best strategies techniques keys practices for us to have deeper feelings towards that unity that interconnectedness and conditional love presence it's funny so I speak at a lot of conferences and a lot of technology conferences and because I'm an investor and look at lots of different methods or paths or whatever to achieve what you're talking about and I just say my favorite my favorite way is get getting there through the technology that's already been created which is called mother nature so just being out of nature that's such for me individually that's just a great way that's the best way to connect the quote apparently is attributed to DaVinci but that nature is the best teacher oh yeah yeah I don't know if it's I don't know if Nate for me if nature is the best teacher Nate nature is the best experience to connect with the teacher but ultimately the ultimate lesson of the student is the process of learning from the teacher of creation about okay and in nature being immersed in it is like the ultimate class correct room and teacher yeah yeah but that seems like that seems for me that's almost too complex it's just like get out of nature just get on nature and just see what and just be and be this experience it's watch watch yes just feel feel be connected yeah be in wonder for that which you you know you look up at a star and say it's not there anymore yeah but there it is or some not yeah yeah some are some are yeah but like when you when you look at a tree for more than three seconds if you look for three minutes you see newer and newer things emerge and you learn more and more about the reality correct and then you can learn to talk to it how do you do that I'm not saying I do how have you heard a song once called I mean yeah I think you can communicate with trees yeah uh I don't I don't know how I would describe they communicate they communicate yeah and so what doesn't we don't what does not communicate what do you think what does not communicate I don't know does everything communicate everything has energy everything transmits something right I don't know yeah I think I think in some way shape or form but I think for me more you know sort of living things as opposed to inanimate objects would communicate you know animals communicate trees communicate flowers can communicate how do we speak the language of trees there's books about that uh I don't I don't know if we uh yeah I think you have to be sort of on a different wavelength and not try to speak to them like you speak to a human yeah yeah and I don't know how different that would be then how do you learn to uh you know communicate with animals I know animal communicators uh we use animal communicators uh I've been on whale watching trips with animal communicators yeah it's like they communicate I I don't I'm not saying that that's my gift but I know there are people that are and I have enough personal evidence to know to to believe that that's all possible and and to have experience that it's true what do you think's the purpose of creation uh expression of love maybe what else besides that maybe a way to grow a way to love a way to grow all of these experiences of all these essences unique essences experiencing themselves unique essences experiencing themselves experiencing creation experiencing themselves growth love is the illusion of separation the most upstream issue that our society faces say it again is the most upstream issue that our society faces that's causing almost if not all of the issues that we face is the illusion of separation yeah I mean so if you're disconnected from love because you've put some human barrier or perceived human barrier to say you're separated from that that's I would think that's a root of a lot of suffering on the planet you think of the religions most mostly patriarchy and all patriarchal that I know about in the modern world a group of people gets together men are in charge men say you're separated and that the only way you can be connected is through something else they gain power that's that uh they create an illusion that creates a power dynamic that keeps you or that might keep you if you believe it in a place of thinking that you are separated why would creation want to make love and growth I don't know what is it about those two words for you love and growth yeah I don't know what it is that I guess just experience and why those two experiences what about the way they make you feel why do you pick those two that's just what came I don't know now forever I will always remember love and growth from Charlie forever yeah yeah is that your essence love and growth uh at some core I'd say love is my is my essence but in this human form in my energy system uh I would be about growth authentic leadership innovation uh and transformation so that's kind of in this body what I bring onto this planet is the energy of that what does authentic leadership mean um this is bridge builders no this is everything this is everything since I was a kid yeah um just whatever sort of I've it seems to me that when I get involved with something something's gonna change and um I don't know if I'm answering your question but that's just like if I look back at my life and I think of the things that I've chosen to get involved with um something is gonna change something is gonna grow there's a global movement associated with it and um and something's gonna transform and then your question about authentic leadership for me it's kind of like knowing your purpose and expressing it fully and being that and removing the barriers to whatever prevents you from doing that so the more clear we become about what we are blueprinted for as our essence the more of an authentic leader we are that I think that's that's what I would believe and so then you have a radar that you've worked on that helps you identify that radar might be a description that might be one description there's I would say yeah radar combined with you know so intent is an attention a radar if intentions a radar then the answer to your question is yes you know in my life I have sort of done certain things said wow this looks cool I'm going to get into that and if that's a radar that sort of said I want to do that then either circumstance or intuition or something uh happens and there I am and it's like oh I get this is something I'd like to sink my teeth into and then shit starts happening what is the relationship between for you your intuition presence and your future my intuition my presence and my future and you can maybe throw you can maybe throw the word planning into that mix so yeah intuition intention because to me that to me that's a lot of the radar um is uh in my experience and really uh again you know credit my wife who's really taught me a lot about this um my you know the intent it's like make an intention be present to what shows up and then it may not look and then not have uh not have a not not try to get in your head and try to figure out what that looks like and then watch the beauty unfold does it really work that way I don't know for me it does so you make an intention of a something and it manifests does this work for people that want to be uplifted out of poverty and that wanting not experience disease and does it work that way I don't know for them I can always speak for me and what my intentions are or have been so if I'm malnourished and I make intention for nourishment does nourishment come um I for a lot of people who doesn't so then how does that work then why would it work in certain cases and not in others this intention yeah like I think we're talking about something different and I don't if I say uh I mean just go to nutrition um you know I like if I say I want a meal to show up right now that's not gonna that's not gonna happen to me either like there's not gonna food's not gonna fly through the window and uh so I think there's a difference there's a difference there but I'm not sure that I'm that I can describe it right now uh I don't uh and and you know and I don't have an intent like you said before like future is part of that so I don't know what you know a lot of the intentions that I might set for my life I don't I make the intention I don't know when that's going to show up in the future necessarily I don't say I have an intention for today and this is what happens today I set an intention and things show up in the future so regarding a part of your blueprint being manifested the intention is there for it but there is no time that it must occur it's just the intention for it to so having an intent intention for abundance is just an excellent intention an intention of love it's just an excellent intention just radiating love and abundance and growth that can be an intention so then this coming to the aid of those parts of our essence that are the so-called different essences within the oneness that are that are malnourished or that may have a pathology developing and their set intention their essence is set intention towards nourishment or eradication of the disease sometimes works and sometimes doesn't so then wouldn't my intention for abundance and intention for love and intention for growth sometimes work and sometimes not uh well I can't I can't speak to the you know I can't speak to other people's experience um if you set an intention for uh for love and abundance do you know what that do you know what that necessarily looks like I don't think a lot of people necessarily know what that looks like I and you know to to go back to the uh to the malnourishment um certainly I don't you know don't want people to be malnourished but some of the happiest people on the planet actually are and something is a way that we or are not in abundance the way we might look at abundance in America for instance or in the western world so we might define abundance as oh my god the house the beach the all of that and actually um the way we def what is abundance what is abundance correct so uh so you experience or I hear stories or in my own experience of working in the slums in Nairobi for instance some of the ha you know there's some incredibly happy people in terrible situations some of the most kind people had the least amount of physical goods as we define it and then I hear stories of people who go get transformed because they're living in our society in the capitalist thinking abundances about money wealth etc and they find out that's actually not what abundance is what then is an intention for abundance how do you set yours I might just set an intention for abundance and then you indicated there are different abundances as though someone that may have very little is setting a completely different intention for abundance than someone with so many material possessions yeah okay but like you know to me abundance is uh watching a sunrise and the beauty of that to me that's very abundant and the way that you might view that uh you might view that there are two people watching that same sunrise and one's an abundance and having an awe experience and the other person is just watching a sunrise so part of abundance would be oh my god that is so beautiful and i'm noticing more beauty around or whatever it's i think it's part of its in attitude so we may set abundance in intentions for abundance at something like a sunrise or sunset we may set it for yourselves to not be impacted by a disease maybe a family member to get through a disease and creation may depending on that intention come in and act there may be some sort of an acting on that intention that happens a manifestation of that disease being gone from your family member so uh how do you know that having the disease in the first place isn't part of the path to abundance and i can speak to this directly you know in my own experience of waking up and the intention you know around that there was a lot of suffering there was a lot of death and had i not gone through that and the universe was actually knowing that i'm stubborn enough where it like piled it on and so i actually had to go through that in order to enjoy the abundance or the richness of my life now because for me personally i was not at a a place to probably receive what i'm able to receive now and i didn't know myself the way i knew now and i was living under stories and conditioning that i'd grown up with that caused a lot of suffering so how do you know so the great so i can say this the greatest gift of my life was the death of my father and then how do you come to reckon with okay he died you guys are laughing have you been doing this all day very good wow please continue continue with what the greatest gift of my life was the death of my father please continue so uh in my experience my dad my dad's death um combined uh i'll just say this i struggled for a long time my dad had cancer um and in the process of him having cancer uh and my my business not working out the way that i wanted to and kind of being in being in a marriage that had been dead so they're like business dying father dying marriage already dead for years without really realizing it um there got to be like a moment where i had this dream that i was climbing the world train center and i knew what i was going to do when i got to the top of it and i woke up and it's the first time that i said i need help and in my family system you didn't go get help uh so but i i went and got help and part of that was in a sort of preparation for my father's dying when my father three days before my father died uh i looked at his in his eyes and i had the most profound conversation that i'd had to that moment of my life and there was no word spoken there was no time uh there was no it was just like everything that was going to change in my life um was like it was just there like it was just spoken it was we'd never had a conversation with words they were as powerful as the moments that he looked into my eyes it was cosmic it was whatever it was but it was a soul talking to a soul as opposed to a human talking to a human and within that it was um it was the permission that he had not had in his life to wake up and the knowing that he'd be there for me and he was and in his death he was more there than he'd ever been in in his life so i don't know how you explain that but it was real the greatest gift was this moment so close to the death when you felt the deepest connection yeah we figure it out there is no way wow why did he show up so real then i don't i look first of all like like to try to explain it to me to actually take away the power of it so i'll say i'll say that yeah okay but my but but if i go into like he was at a place where he could where he could access that you know he was um where he could have that conversation he would have had no framework or permission in his life as he had known it to have a conversation that was that transformational and in his point of getting ready to be you know to be to move on to whatever you want to you know describe it from his body he was he was in a position to go that that deeply um and i was in a position to receive it or or you know i don't want to just say it was one way from him to me it was both it was a both and you were uniquely positioned to receive it at that time yeah when you say trying to understand the why takes away the power from it may it also help those that are listening more better experience profound things like it if i could just explain it could could us understanding experience getting into the feelings the beingness of that interaction of you and your father being the gift could our dive into the depths of that be deeply awakening and inspirational for people listening i have no idea if people are open and hold an intention um this conversation may or may not be uh opening or not might be something else that happens that's i mean who knows um all all i can say is for me uh when you get into in my own experience there is no explaining that conversation there that that makes any sense it is it is so profound that words don't do it justice and so when i try if i try to explain it it's a very head driven thing this was had nothing to do with the head this had to do with a soul connection and i'm not sure that can be explained or believe you know for some people believed could we have a soul or spirit to spirit connection happening here to that that can then be transmitted further and catalyze more awakening my answer is yes and that's why what's happening i don't know you know it gets transmitted and then what whatever comes of that is like on the receiver's end yes and when even this sentence about the greatest gift being the father's death your father's death that in itself is profoundly awakening that is we still struggle with seeing the greatest traumas as the greatest treasures i know very few people who have chosen to like really awaken to their own purpose their own higher self whatever you want to describe that as where suffering has not been involved agreed all of the guests have those experiences correct you could say the coolest commonality between them is seeing their traumas as treasures yeah that's really the choice and and is it not possible that you know for some people that suffering will just continue as an invitation until they choose and they still can choose never to you know to accept that invitation that's okay too i've had some very uh interesting feelings from my heart throughout this conversation and especially here at the end i'm heart well you are charlie heart well you are you are thank you so much charlie thank you great thank you wow so profound thank you so enlightening wow it's been an honor thank you thank you thank you everyone for tuning in we greatly appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode let us know what you're thinking wow let us know how your heart was gushing throughout that episode um please check out the links in the bio below to charlie's work check out the links in the bio below to the transformative technology conference yes yes go ahead charlie so um can i just say one other thing of course you may so as part of my awakening i found a voice and in my father's death uh i i found the voice to become the musician that i never was um so in my father's death i actually wrote and recorded my first album i'm on number three now but there's a there is a there is a song uh on that album called soul purpose which is all about that conversation so if anybody wants to go to Spotify and play soul purpose by charlie heartwell you'll find it there we'll put the link in the bio below everyone um soul purpose soul purpose by charlie heartwell wow wow wow it's a third album now it's out this is you're on your third and what do you play uh i write the music i sing i play the guitar i play the harmonica wow so cool so cool check out all of charlie's links in the bio below check out the links to transformative technology conference as well check out those links thank you to our co-producers brady springer or ship here thank you both very much thank you thank you check out the links to our show in the bio below as well you can support us on patreon paypal cryptocurrency you can design cool merch and get paid support the artists the entrepreneurs the spiritual leaders organizations in your communities that you believe in as well and go and build the future everyone manifest your dreams into the world we love you very much thank you for tuning in and 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