 Thanks for that reminder. Yeah, so the recording is on now. So today we will be covering the doctrine of Trinity. Now as we know the concept of Trinity, it's a very unique idea. We don't really see this in any of the other religions. In fact that word Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible but there are verses which describe the Trinity of God. So when scholars were looking at the Bible and they saw many scriptures which seemed to indicate that the one God is in three persons. When they saw that they wanted to come up with some word which can describe what they are seeing in the scriptures. So they came up with this term tri unity, oneness, three in oneness. That was the idea, tri unity, three in oneness. So that term tri unity turned into Trinity. That's basically what we describe this nature of God as. So he is one but he is also three persons. Now how do we really understand this? We can't completely understand it simply because we have been created human and humans do not have this capacity of being one and also being three. So we only understand what has already been created over here on the earth and we don't see anything in creation which clearly represents this aspect of someone being one and also being three. So which is why it's something beyond our understanding. To use an example, a rather simple example, this was actually a missionary story that I had read a long time ago. So I don't quite remember the region, the details but this was what they had written. This was missionary work that was going on in some very remote tribal area. A region which had never seen ice or snowfall. So for them that was a completely new concept and so these missionaries were working among them and they began to translate the Bible into the language of those tribals and as they were doing that when they came to Psalm 51 verse 7, they had to translate that portion where it says that Lord, if you clean me, I will be as white as snow and that particular community has no word in their local language for snow because they are not even aware that such a thing exists and so the missionaries tried to explain the concept of snow to them. They told them, water comes down from the sky which of course the tribals are familiar with, they are very much familiar with rain but the missionaries told them the water comes down in solid form and it falls on the ground and the people could not understand what was being said and then about a year later when some of the missionaries were going back to Europe, they took one of the tribals along with them so that he can talk about his community back in their headquarters. So when he went over there for the first time he saw with his eyes water in solid form falling on the ground and in fact covering the entire town and then after having looked at it he understood, oh okay this is how solid water looks when it lands on the ground. So then when he finally went back to his tribal community, he explained what he had seen and then it made more sense to them. So the Trinity is something like that. Without having seen it, it is difficult for us to understand it. So all we can do is try to understand what is being presented in the Bible but someday if we are allowed to see something like that with our physical eyes in heaven then maybe we will have a clearer idea of how exactly Trinity is seen and how it expresses itself. So this is something that we are discussing which we have not fully understood but there are so many scriptures in the Bible which describe God in three persons. So there's no doubt about that. In the Old Testament we see some hints of that in the early books. For instance in Genesis 1.26 where God says let us make man, it seems to indicate that the one God is plural rather than singular. In the same way when you look at Genesis 3.22 after Adam and Eve have sinned at that time the Lord says man has become like one of us, knowing good from evil. So again that plural us is used over there and a singular God is talking but he expresses himself as us and we see the same thing again in Isaiah 6.8 where the Lord says whom shall I send? Who will go for us? So over there in that verse we see him addressing himself as I and he also addresses himself as us. So all of these verses must have given the Old Testament Israelites an idea that Yahweh is one God but there seems to be some kind of a plurality in him. They must have at least caught the idea and then of course you have Isaiah 9 verses 6 to 7 especially Isaiah 9.6 where there is talk about the Messiah who will come in the future. In fact in Isaiah 9.7 it says that this Messiah will reign on David's throne and this is how this Messiah is described. He's described in Isaiah 9.6 as mighty God, everlasting Father. Those are the terms which you would use for an everlasting God who doesn't have any beginning and who has no end. It's talking about an infinite eternal God. So those are the terms which are used for the Messiah who is going to come in the future. So at least after having looked at that verse the Israelite community should have understood that Yahweh is one but there also seems to be more than one person involved in this one being, in this one divine being. They must have understood that but by the time you have Jesus coming by that time most of the leaders, the high priest, the religious leaders, they no longer really believed in this idea that the Messiah would be divine. Not particularly sure why, maybe it was just a blindness which was given to them by Satan. Maybe they hardened their hearts and choose to ignore Isaiah 9.6 but by the time of Jesus day they had it very firmly in their heads that the Messiah would be a human Messiah. He would be a descendant of David. He would be a very powerful and strong man and he would be able to defeat all the enemies of the nation of Israel and raise up Israel's status into a politically independent nation. That was the concept they had in their mind and they very conveniently forgot all about Isaiah 9.6 where the Messiah is referred to as mighty God where he is referred to as everlasting Father. Those are the terms which are used for the Messiah but they chose to ignore that scripture and so Psalm 110.1 which clearly talks about the Messiah being divine. They never really understood what that verse meant but for Jesus that was a very important verse. He repeats it quite a few times in the Gospels. Psalm 110 verse 1. So if we could have someone read out for us, Psalm 110 verse 1 please. Psalm 110 verse 1. Verse 1. Verse 1. The Lord says to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Yeah. So here David is writing this Psalm and he is saying the Lord says to my Lord, sit at my right hand and if you were to look in your English Bibles you would see that the first Lord is in capital letters. L-O-R-D are all in caps. All in capital letters. So that is the English way of saying that the word being used over there is Yahweh and then when you look at the second Lord which is mentioned over there that has a capital L but then you have a small O-R-D. So that is the English translation for Adonai. Adonai was an Old Testament term which basically meant master. So it was a common term that was there in the society of those days. So if a man has got let us say 20 slaves he is basically the Adonai of those 20 slaves. He is the master of those 20 slaves. So this was a term which was used commonly to mean master but when it came to the Old Testament scriptures by and by this term began to be used exclusively for God. So in the Old Testament scriptures wherever you find the word Adonai it always refers to a divine God rather than just simply a human master with a bunch of slaves. So Psalm 110 verse 1 is basically saying this when it says the Lord says to my Lord the actual translation would be Yahweh says to my Adonai Yahweh says to my Lord sit at my right hand. So Jesus you know deliberately brings up this point when he is talking to the Pharisees because the Pharisees and the rest of the important leaders of Israel at that time are refusing to even accept, refusing to even consider the fact that the Messiah is divine. Every time Jesus says I am divine they get very very angry, they pick up stones to stone him and so he wants to point out to them that in the Old Testament it is stated that the Messiah when it comes he is going to be divine. He wants them to you know at least understand the truth based on the Old Testament scriptures which they are supposed to be familiar with and so he brings up this topic in Matthew 22 41 to 46. So if we could have someone read out for us this portion Matthew 22 41 to 46. Matthew 22 41 to 46. Now while the Pharisees were gathered together Jesus asked them a question saying what do you think about the Christ whose son is he they said to him the son of David he said to them how is it then that David in the spirit calls him Lord saying the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet if then David calls him Lord how is he his son and no one was able to answer him a word nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions. So here in this passage Jesus says under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit David said about his descendant he was talking about his descendant and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit he referred to this descendant as Adonai. So Jesus says why did he do such a thing I mean especially in that you know Middle Eastern culture and in fact even in our Asian culture elders are respected so it is the youngsters who will you know the younger generations who will address the older generations as Lord and Master and use respectful terms. You will never have one of the elders referring to a youngster or descendant of his as Lord it would not make sense at all in our you know in our culture. So Jesus I know raises this question and he says how come David the king when he's talking about a descendant of his who's going to be born someday in the future he shows such respect when referring to him and calls him Adonai because then the conversation begins this is what Jesus asks the Pharisees he says what do you think about the Messiah whose son is he and that they know very very well they know that the Messiah is going to be a descendant of David so they very confidently say it's a son of David a son of David will be the Messiah. So that is when Jesus asks and says okay if this is going to be a son of David a descendant of David why does David talk about him so respectfully as though this descendant is superior to him and you know actually refers to him as Adonai and it says in verse 46 no one could say a word in reply because this is a fact which they are not willing to accept and it says from that day on no one dare to ask him any more questions because if they ask him questions he's going to refer to the Old Testament and start talking about the divinity of the Messiah and that's not something that they are willing to accept. In fact you know if we were to look at the four Gospels and we look at the trial of Jesus you know which happens at the end of each of the four Gospels if you look in all the four Gospels in Matthew Mark Luke very clearly Jesus refers to Psalm 110 verse 1 and he says on that day you will see the Son of Man seated next to you know to the Lord and in all the three Gospels Matthew Mark Luke when he says that the Son of Man you will see the Son of Man basically he's you know referring to himself it is you will see me seated next to the Triave when he says that they get very angry and they say oh he's speaking blasphemy you know let's give him the death sentence. In the Gospel of John we don't have details about the trial which takes place in front of the religious leaders but then when they are talking to Pilate that is what they say to Pilate they say this man is referring to himself as the Son of God therefore he should be given the death sentence and Pilate who does not want to get involved in spiritual matters of the Jews he says why don't you go and try it out in your own courts I know and then they say no no we want the death sentence and we don't we don't have the legal authority under the Romans to give the death sentence so you need to do that for us. So in all these four Gospels the religious leaders refuse to accept the divinity of the Messiah and but Jesus very clearly points out that Yahweh and he you know Adonai they both are divine they both are equally God. So in the Old Testament we do see a clear reference to the divinity of the Messiah. What about the Holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit described as being a separate person and as being divine? In Isaiah 63 verse 10 it says they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So in Isaiah 63 verse 10 the Holy Spirit is also indicated as being a divine person. So there are references in the Old Testament to the divinity of the Godhead. Now what about the New Testament? In the New Testament we see scriptures where you have the three persons of the Trinity being mentioned as three distinct persons. Let's just look at a few examples of that. If someone could read out for us Ephesians chapter 4 verses 4 to 6 Ephesians 4 4 to 6 Ephesians 4 4 to 6 there is one body and one spirit just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call one Lord one faith one baptism one good and father of all who is over all and through all and in all. If you were to look at these verses separate references made to the three persons of the Trinity in verse 4 you have one spirit being mentioned and then in verse 5 you have one Lord being mentioned which refers to Jesus Christ and then in verse 6 you have one God and father being mentioned. They are mentioned as three separate persons. If we can also look at first Peter chapter 1 verse 2 first Peter chapter 1 verse 2 according to the for knowledge of God the father in the sanctification of the spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood. Here Peter is talking about believers and he says that these believers are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the father through the sanctifying work of the spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ. Three separate persons of the Trinity are being mentioned over here in first Peter and then we see the same thing again in Jude verses 20 and 21. Jude has only one chapter so the verses are 20 and 21 if you could read out. So here Jude is urging the believers to pray in the Holy Spirit while so that they can keep themselves in God's love even as they wait for the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed that is you know in the sense he is going to take them to heaven and he is going to grant them resurrected bodies. So again here we see the three persons of the Trinity being mentioned as three distinct persons. What did Jesus himself say about the Trinity? Maybe we can look at a few scriptures where he says something. Now the Jewish community they had something called the Shema. The word Shema literally means to hear and to obey and this term Shema to hear and to obey it was applied to Deuteronomy chapter 6 verses 4 to 9. So I don't know about today but at least in biblical times almost every single Jewish person would by heart these verses Deuteronomy 6 verses 4 to 9 they would know these verses by heart and this is what they called Shema. So every day in the morning they would quote these verses and this is basically how the Shema begins in Deuteronomy chapter 6 verse 4 where it says, here O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one and now here in the New Testament Jesus quotes that same verse when somebody comes to him and say asks him which is the greatest commandment at that time in Mark chapter 12 verses 28 to 30 Jesus quotes the Shema and he says in Mark 12 29 he says, here O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one. So Jesus acknowledged the truth he acknowledged the fact that Yahweh is one he's one single God. However let's look at what Jesus also says about the Trinitarian aspect of this one God for instance maybe we could read out Matthew chapter 6 verse 26 which refers to God the Father Matthew 6 verse 26. Matthew 6 verse 26 look at the birds of the air they neither sow nor reap nor gather into birds but yet your heavenly Father feeds them are you not of more value than they here it's not talking about any human Father here Jesus very clearly refers to God as heavenly Father so here Jesus is declaring the Father as God in fact in one of the next verses he says God who has sown the flowers in the field you know so over there he uses the term God so he uses the words heavenly Father and God interchangeably indicating that God is the heavenly Father heavenly Father is God. So God the Father in Jesus mind is definitely divine. How does he refer to himself? He says in John 10 30 I and the Father are one so he's declaring and saying that the Father is divine the Father is God and then he's making this statement this divine Father and I we are one so he's saying that I also am fully divine that's the claim that he's making about himself and then what does he say about the Holy Spirit now this of course you would be familiar with because last semester you did a detailed course on the Holy Spirit so John 14 verse 16 if we could have someone read out John 14 16 John 14 16 and I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever so Jesus is comforting his disciples who are feeling bad that Jesus is saying he's going away somewhere they don't know where he's going they're kind of concerned and then Jesus assures them and he says I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to help you and be with you forever because Jesus had been with them for three years now he had been helping them he was always there for them always listen to hear you know ready to listen to them in case they come and sit with him and express their sorrows and what's going on in their hearts he's always been there for them and now he's saying he's going away and they're feeling very upset he says don't worry I will you know I'll ask the Father specifically and he will give you another helper and then you know in your class you must have you know read about this been taught about this about how that word the Greek word used over there another it's the word loss but for those who probably did not attend that particular course and who have only joined for this for the doctrinal foundations let's just very quickly go through that so the word that Jesus uses over there he says the I will ask the Father and he will give you alos helper another helper so the Greek word used over there for another is the word alos but actually in Greek there are two words for another the first word is alos which means another there is another word heteros which also means another but the difference between these two words is when you're saying alos you're saying another of the same kind another of the same type but when you're using the word heteros you're talking about another of a different type so to use a very simple example if I am holding a apple in my hand and I say to Sabita give me alos I'm holding the apple in my hand and I say to her give me alos give me another so if I'm holding a Shimla apple in my hand and she gives me a Chick Balapur apple I will say no that's not what I asked for I asked for alos another of the same kind another of the same type so poor thing she has to go and you know search for a Shimla apple and come and give that to me only then I'll be satisfied on the other hand if I'm holding an apple in my hand and I say to her give me heteros fruit so I'm using the word heteros which means another of a different kind so if she goes and brings me an apple I'll say I asked for a different kind why are you giving me an apple so which means you would have to go and bring me an orange or a banana or a guava or something else so that is the difference and so Jesus is saying to them don't worry I'm going away but I'm going to be sending Carlos Helper someone who's exactly like me someone who's you know the same as me so he will be your helper in the same way I have been your helper and he will be with you for ever that's the deep assurance that he gives his disciples so we see that in Jesus thinking the father he himself the son and the Holy Spirit are all divine that's basically what Jesus is declaring in the scriptures very very openly in 1st Corinthians chapter 3 verse 16 yeah if someone could read out 1st Corinthians chapter 3 verse 16 do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's spirit dwells in you here Paul is telling the Corinthians don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple so you know you need to conduct yourselves in an honorable manner because you believers you are God's temple and then of course in 1st Corinthians 619 this is what is said it says do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit so here in this chapter 6 the same Paul is talking to the same Corinthians and he's saying to them that your same bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit so in 1st Corinthians 3 he referred to them as God's temple in 1st Corinthians 6 he is now referring to them as Holy Spirit's temple in other words he's equating God and the Holy Spirit and declaring that the Holy Spirit is equally divine as the father and the son okay so the scriptures are very very clear about the triune status of the Godhead now there was this question which someone had asked me a long time ago they said if God is triune then whom should I pray to whom should I pray to so that my prayers get answered nicely because if I pray to the wrong party maybe my prayers will not get answered so this is the verse which kind of touches upon it you have Ephesians chapter 2 verse 18 if we can have someone read out that Ephesians 2 verse 18 Ephesians 2 verse 18 for through him we both have access in one spirit to the father yeah so in the NIV it would say for through him Jesus okay for through Jesus we both and the both over there is referring to both Jews and Gentiles so through Jesus we both Jews and Gentiles have access to whom we have access to the father through Jesus we have access to the father by one spirit with the help of the spirit so at least if you look at this particular scripture the access is being given to the father to pray to him to address our requests to him but how do we approach this father only one single way to the father Jesus makes that very clear he says the only way to the father is through the Son no other route no other way of reaching out to this you know to God so we have access to the heavenly Father through the blood of Jesus through the finished work of what Jesus did on the cross through the finished work of the cross we have access to the father by one spirit that is through the enabling and leading of the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit teaches us how to pray what to pray what to say to the father when we are praying so we have access to the father through the work of Jesus Christ with the help of the spirit who enables us and helps us even as we are praying so technically I would say that we should be praying to the father but then in our Christian minds we are so used to this whole idea of Trinity that we start off the sentence by addressing the father halfway through the sentence it becomes Jesus and then by the end of it we are saying Holy Spirit help us so that happens all the time and I really don't think the Lord minds because we are actually acknowledging the Trinity and saying yes Lord we know you're a triune God so I don't think God is very legalistic about it especially because we humans are not really able to understand his triune nature completely clearly so it's really all right so if you are suddenly catch yourself praying to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit it's totally all right because there is no rivalry in the Trinity they all are united so it really doesn't you know they won't mind whether you're addressing the father or you're addressing Jesus so when it comes to actual practice it's all right but the scripture is basically you know explaining that the access to the father through the finished work of Jesus and we access the father and speak to him with the help of the Holy Spirit now so having looked at all of these verses what are we finally saying there are three statements which we are making regarding the Trinity based on all the verses that we have looked at so far so the first thing that we are saying is God is three persons okay so in John 3 16 what do we see it says God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so yes he knows his scriptures so God the father he sends the son if he's sending the son he cannot be the son which means the father and son are two separate persons God the father is sending the son and the son that he's sending is going to be on the earth but God the father is going to continue in heaven which means they are clearly two separate distinct persons and then what does Jesus say in Acts chapter okay not Jesus he's not speaking over here it's Luke who's recording this so in Acts chapter 2 verses 32 and 33 what do we see Luke writing Acts 2 32 to 33 Acts 2 32 33 this Jesus called rest up and of that we all are witness being therefore exalted at the right hand of God and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit he has brought out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing yes so in John Jesus made a promise to his disciples he said I'll ask the Father and then the Father will give you the Holy Spirit so now that that promise is getting fulfilled over here so in Acts chapter 2 verse 33 it says exalted to the right hand of God Jesus has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit whom he has now poured out on all these people you know who have accepted the gospel message this is basically you know Peter standing over there he's preaching he's telling them this Jesus he's the divine living Messiah who has been raised from the dead so you need to place your faith in him so in the course of that sermon as he's preaching all the people who you know believe what is being said they would have received the Holy Spirit so he is of course referring to the upper room experience where the people who had gathered over there the 120 who had gathered over there upon them the Holy Spirit was poured out so he says Jesus who has now been resurrected and who has now been exalted to the right hand of God he has finished receiving from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and he's now he has now poured out this Holy Spirit upon all of us who are speaking in tongues and then all the people who are gathered over there a large number of them believed so they too would have received the Holy Spirit so if you see over here now it is basically the Father and Jesus who are together sending the Holy Spirit so in John 3 16 we saw the Father sending the Son here we see the Father and the Son together sending the Holy Spirit which clearly shows that all three of them are three very clear distinct persons the second statement which we accept based on all the scriptures which we have looked at we would say that yes God is three persons and we also say each of the persons is fully completely God you know they are not like partially God they are all fully God if we could have someone read out Philippians 1 verse 2 Philippians chapter 1 verse 2 grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ here the Father is being referred to as God so the Father is fully completely God is fully completely divine what about the Son you know is he fully God Titus chapter 2 verse 13 very interesting description of Jesus Titus 2 13 this chapter 2 verse 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Jesus Christ is clearly referred to over here as our great God so here Jesus is very clearly being referred to as divine fully divine he's being referred to as great God Colossians 2 9 that is another that is a very important verse for us Colossians 2 9 if someone could read out Colossians chapter 2 verse 9 for in him dwells all the fullness of the good head bodily all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form in this Jesus Christ so Jesus is fully divine not partially divine he's fully divine and then what about the Holy Spirit I mean we've already looked at various scriptures just to look at another one you know this the this passage about Ananias and Sapphira who told lies to Peter and what does Peter say you're not just telling your lies to me you're telling these lies to God and this is what he says in that passage Acts chapter 5 verses 3 to 4 so in Acts chapter 5 verses 3 and 4 in verse 3 Peter says you have lied to the Holy Spirit and then in verse 4 he says you have not lied just to human beings but to God so he equates God and the Holy Spirit in this passage so the Holy Spirit is declared as being fully God in this passage so the first statement we accept is that God is three persons the second statement which we have accepted is that each person in this Trinity is fully completely God and the third statement of course is that there is only one God so which sounds like a controversy but then that's the nature of the Trinity so we have Isaiah 45 verses 5 to 6 where God is saying about himself I am the Lord and there is no other in fact he repeats it again in verse 6 Isaiah 45 5 and 6 he says I am the Lord and there is no other I'm only one single God is what he declares and so what do we do with this he says that he is one God but at the same time in so many places he describes himself as being three persons how are we to understand this now this is something that you might have already studied in your other courses where you know the baptismal formula that is used you know during the time of baptism so maybe we could actually read out that Matthew 28 verses 19 and 20 Matthew 28 19 and 20 if someone could read out Matthew chapter 28 verse 19 go therefore and make disciples of all the nations baptizing them and the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit so all the believers who are going to be baptized they are being baptized in the name of how many in the names of how many people if you look over here it says that they're all being baptized in the name of not in the names of so they're being baptized in the name of one person but this one name has basically three persons attached to it okay so the believers the disciples when we baptize them we don't you know we don't stand there in the water and we say if you don't we do not say I'm baptizing you in the names of the Father Son and Holy Spirit no we say yeah you're being baptized right now in the name of only one name one God but that one God is in three persons in those days it was sometime I think during the maybe about 200 or 300 years before the birth of Jesus Christ that this whole idea of baptism started where you had godly people who wanted to teach about the truth of God's word you know because there was a lot of backsliding which had taken place people had gone far away from God so you had these religious groups rising up here and there and they're trying to restore the Israelites back to their faith so that the coming of the Messiah will not be delayed so they're trying to prepare people's hearts and so you had these religious leaders who would go from place to place preaching and then some people who are no um uh convinced by what they are teaching they would choose to become followers of that particular leader so then what the leader would do is he would take them to a nearby river and he would baptize them and basically that by that that ritual of baptism would indicate from now on I'm a follower of this particular leader so that's basically what even John the Baptist did he baptized people uh who's who are who are stating that they are repenting of their sins and so all the people who are being baptized by John the Baptist or his disciples they all become followers of John the Baptist so over here look at how these New Testament believers are going to be baptized whose followers are they going to become they're going to become the followers of one name one God they are not going to become the followers of three separate gods no they are going to become the followers of one God Yahweh but Yahweh is three persons okay so uh we need to keep that in mind um so this is basically Jesus you know giving his great commission over here in Matthew chapter 28 verses 19 to 20 so he's the one who says when you go and start baptizing these believers baptize them in the name singular one name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit so if Jesus mentioned them in this particular order Father Son Holy Spirit does it mean that Father is like the most superior and then little below that comes Jesus and then poor Holy Spirit is like even less than that is there a ranking like that not really when we look at different scriptures we see that they change the order of these three uh names um you know we already looked at three scriptures New Testament scriptures which where you have the three persons of the Trinity mentioned if you go back and look at those three verses you will see that the order changes um we'll just look at one example now um second Corinthians 13 verse 14 you know which is basically our penediction second Corinthians 13 verse 14 if someone could read out second Corinthians chapter 13 verse 14 the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all amen so here in this particular verse uh the Jesus Christ is being mentioned first God the Father is being mentioned second and the Holy Spirit is being mentioned third but don't worry there are there are in this this is other scripture which we read out when we were doing those three uh you know those three verses from the New Testament where the Holy Spirit was mentioned first that was the efficient passage yeah so the Holy Spirit is mentioned first over there and second I think it was Jesus yeah he's referred to as one Lord and then in the next verse you have uh Ephesians 2 60 you have one God and Father being mentioned so over there the Holy Spirit is mentioned first so there's no ranking they're all equal it's not like one is superior to the other they're all equal okay um so um um how do we understand this concept of Trinity what can we say about it it's 10 48 do I really want to get into this weighty issue now on the other hand I hate wasting time okay fine you can have your bonus two minutes um because you know we need to get into this we need to dive into this topic it's going to take time and effort uh so yes you can leave early but please be back at 11 o'clock thank you