 in the re oh wait wait wait I should record to yeah okay I'm gonna record a good day internet file version come in three two well hello it is time for our q2 daily tech news show hangout I guess it's also a good day internet hangout I'm Tom Merritt of course with me Sarah Lane hello and finishing up his lunch is Roger Chang hello Roger what did you have for lunch a curried lentil and brown rice sounds good yeah sounds delicious this is a quarterly thing that we've been doing since almost the beginning of daily tech news show where we just want to update people on what's going on with the show and if you're new or unfamiliar we have a patreon patreon.com slash DTS meant to support the show daily tech news show which tries to help you feel smarter about the technology world around you we spend all morning reading all the tech news so we can boil it down for you and give you all of the context and understanding that we can give you and then we also have a wider show around that called good day internet where we talk about movie snacks and other things it's a pretty fun show I have to admit yeah it is I agree so you know the the top line stuff that I cover sometimes on this is how we're doing financially the patreon is like down 11 patrons over last month right now last month it was down over the month before kind of in the summer doldrums on the patreon side I have an idea for that though I'll talk about that in a second the a cast revenue has been pretty good but it's also kind of going away for the summer it may come back but the majority of our revenue still entirely comes from the patreon like that's I guess the majority can't entirely come but the majority of our revenue still comes from the patreon so that is that is what we rely on the most we also get a little money from PayPal a little bit of money from our merchandise I'd like to figure out how to boost that more as well we've tried some things over the years I have a couple of thoughts well I mean there's always good thoughts for merchandise but it's almost like just having someone paying more attention to it and if your thoughts are about that then I think that that could definitely help but the first thing I want to talk about is the patreon the second thing I want to talk about is some ideas that we all had when we got together for dinner last week Amos our intern and Rich Truffalino who does daily tech headlines were in town we brought them into town and and had a little brainstorming session so we'll talk about that and then Roger we'll hear your idea I'll put it I'll add it to the agenda Roger's ideas on merch so let's start oh and then also and then questions if you are in the slack or in the discord you can go to the questions channel in the slack or if you're in the discord go to your patron level channel like the analysts channel and submit questions and we'll get to those at the end of the shoe so for the patreon one of the things that patreon says will work really well is redoing the tears they say if your tears have been around for a while which ours have basically been around for five years not all of them but but we've had pretty much the same setup for five years they say redoing your tears will help it'll get people more interested in and you'll be able to talk about more things etc etc etc so I want to redo the patreon tears but there's two principles I want to preside over as one is not taking anything away that you still want there there are some things that are promised in there that we have taken away because nobody really cared about them that much and so we need you to tell us this is the thing on patreon that I love do not take it away this is this I'm at this tier and I get this thing and I don't want to lose it so let us know you know it's the best way to just respond to the posting about this hangout on patreon.com slash dts and say this is the thing I don't want and the other thing we could use is ideas for like you know what I've always wanted you to do as a patreon reward is this because it's not all about just adding new rewards it's about taking things away that aren't that valued it's about changing the levels if we change the levels it won't change the level for you as an existing patron that's important to know let's say we took I'm not saying we're doing this but let's say we took the five dollar level and made it a seven dollar level that'd be silly but just for the example right if we did that everybody who's paying five dollars a month right now would stay paying five dollars a month and getting the same thing it'd only be new people that would have to have to change so the tiers are independent of the amounts in that respect so we might change around the way the tiers work do you guys have any thoughts on that well I mean and if again this is hypothetical if a five dollar tier became a seven dollar tier for new people it would also come with new perks uh it wouldn't have to but it probably would because we're talking about changing around the perks yeah yeah and if you're at the five dollar tier and we add five dollar tier is called the associate producer tier if you're at the associate producer tier and we change the perks at the associate producer tier you get them if you're already there whether you'd pay seven dollars or five dollars um yeah I'm really curious to know what the patrons really value in terms of what we're outputting right now so we can get a better sense of where to where to to invest our resources to better shape the show for for their enjoyment yeah because uh because the the point of the patreon is to support the show the the rewards are there as a thank you and we try to make them things that are you get access that other people don't right so I've heard people say well wait a minute good day internet is live on twitch for anybody who wants it isn't that my perk well the perk is you can have it delivered to you as an audio rss or you can get into the discord if you're unavailable for twitch and listen to audio you have more options if you're a supporter of patreon than you do otherwise that those are the kinds of things we want to do is say hey when you're a member of our patreon you get more things than other people all right well and I think we have a pretty good idea of the things that uh resonate with our audience editors desk for example you know lots lots of good feedback on that want more of that you know do you um you know do you like the uh the well we're we're still in the early stages of the live with it three month stuff but like we can do more of that all of the all of that is dependent on what it means to our audience so yeah um we can't do giveaways associated with the patreon patreon doesn't like that um it causes legal issues for them that's why they don't like it sure um or else i'd say like hey if you're a patron you get into a special giveaway for first stuff but we could do giveaways it can't be tied to the patreon we could do giveaways that's something that's been uh suggested and and maybe i don't know maybe you get to vote on what the giveaway is if you're a patreon or something to to play by the rules um start that's one of the actual ideas that was uh came up in our brainstorming last week was was doing giveaways um another one well one i had was uh collaborating with uh other shows slash podcasters that we don't already regularly interface or uh work with for example you know justin he has his he has his justin scott patrick they're all podcasters on right but you know we work with them on the show are there people out there that we are unaware of that you think would be a good blend for us to to maybe have on our show or maybe tom or sarah on their show absolutely yeah yeah yeah suggestions always welcome and i want to get back and often are really good i want to get back to giveaways because i had another thought on that but uh yeah let us know if you're like and people do this a lot uh they send us emails and say oh did you know about this person you they might be a great guest uh we just got an email like that today so it's not that we're saying uh you've never done this uh but uh more ideas the better right yeah and um i'm still trying to just kind of a kind of a boilerplate format so you know we know who it is what they do and where we can reach him one of the hardest things is just reach trying to contact people well but i mean not the people suggesting aren't going to necessarily no no no but all that information but if um just to formalize it a little bit but yeah yeah if as much information as you know about them if you want to suggest somebody to us is uh is super helpful super helpful um but back to giveaways is i just wanted to ask uh is that something people want and if so what would you want is it merch is it tech products what what kind of stuff well okay so in the um in the example of my Jabra um earbuds that was that was my first live with it uh uh example you know i i with some caveats i came away with it pretty pretty excited about that would people want that as a giveaway so that's a good example of something that i was gonna bring that up because i don't want to take that stuff away from you but yeah thing away from me it's like you know we're we're a team um but you like them so much i do but yeah um use them every day and we could even do we could even do things i'm now i'm just talking to you sarah like we could do something where uh if you're like but i really like these blight bulbs we could just buy new light bulbs and give those away to people too yeah it would have to take them from you no no no oh i see what you're saying no don't take away the things that i'm living with yeah i have to keep living with them but that would be an example of you know if i'm waxing poetic about how great something is over a certain amount of time that would be a good example of someone being like sounds pretty good i want this too what's funny is most of the people in the twitch chat right now are like meh giveaways not a big deal so i don't know maybe that's a bigger deal for things well maybe it's a bigger bigger deal for people who aren't as active in the show right yeah maybe um or yeah if there's not a you know a demand then okay we'll keep brainstorming uh this is one that's we probably don't need a lot of audience feedback on this but uh roger had i think a good idea which is occasionally opening the show with an email instead of having the email at the end yeah like my idea is that um sometimes we get really good emails uh but because of their uh length or brevity it would be a really good way or the subject matter be a good way to start the show with because it would be very topical for what we would be discussing or it's a quick reply to something we mentioned in the previous show you know as a way to kind of mix it up a little bit yeah yeah and there are certain times where somebody will have emailed us something and it fits in perfectly with the story that we're going to talk about anyway so it you know becomes part of the rundown in the non-mail bag part of the show so the more that that would make sense i think we're all you know we're happy to do it yeah and roger um you feel free to suggest those when you see them you're like oh this would make a good opener um let us let us know when you see the the kind of thing that that is is what you were thinking of yeah totally um i've yeah i i will be on it i think this was another of your ideas roger uh which is uh thinking of our stories more along how much time do we want to talk about them rather than what we traditionally knew which people in the audience may not realize which is we usually think five top stories three or four quick hits at the top and then a main discussion and i think we always have quick hits for things that we don't need to spend time talking about but maybe not separating the main discussion from the top stories so much yeah like uh you know for example um just the other day we had two really great topics in one show i think it was maybe wednesday's uh show uh we had um was it lead not we had libre but there was another topic in there that we were running along with but it was very it was it was uh i think it was the hallway story and um yeah it happens on shows and i'm wondering you know where we're kind of we kind of get our groove going and yeah we go a little bit long instead of trying to you know paint ourselves into like this uh a structure we can open it up where like hey this is a really great topic we can devote six minutes to it and then we build out like with the subject matter and then we kind of arrange it sort of um i mean it's it's you know it's still be we would still have a discussion but uh we wouldn't have to maybe limit it more than we needed to um here's one that was just suggested by iHeartInfoTech read only access to the show doc for patrons okay which in principle i have no problem with like just given that you can do that in google docs you can give a link uh and we publish our show notes as or we publish our pages as show notes after the fact anyway i think what iHeartInfoTech is suggesting is certain level of patrons could just have access to look at it ahead of time and see us as we're populating it and oh i see follow along while we're while we're doing the show you know that that could be kind of a dynamic thing i mean it the the rundown does change you know up until showtime quite a few times between let's say 8 a.m and you know 1 p.m pacific so yeah i wouldn't have to make sure that everyone understood that other people could see it yeah because sometimes like we may we i don't think we do this anymore but in the past we used to put info about guests in there like like their sky number you know sure email addresses things like that we wouldn't want we'd want to protect that sort of thing that that i keep in a separate document just yeah so i don't think that's as much of a issue now because you do that separately um but you know when i'm when i'm normally like going on a tirade about something in the dark and uh w skydus what was one we usually we usually save that to slack for slack yeah that's where the tirades happen i do think uh i do think i would be embarrassed about all our spelling errors oof somebody well you know but that's also a thing that you know well i guess if it's read only you wouldn't be able to help us with that but you'd be able to got another patreon level you know that they're at frequently get become our copy editor just um but i think you i think that would definitely add a nice kind of uh behind the scenes i mean it's totally doable it's um you know just as long as we're sure we're not making a huge mistake well i mean the only thing is i would just want to canvas the the contributors that we have right now and make sure the main contributors yeah make sure no that's right um yeah i guess they would see the yellow and red uh signs there you go they would know when we're ignoring Roger well you know this goes back to when it goes yellow red yellow red now we're really ignoring roger it does kind of go back to what i was saying earlier like you know if we we pick these stories and then just decide like you know this is a really good story this six minutes to it you know because we kind of do that already uh we yeah i i think that's a really good idea we'd have to feel so uh conform feel so restricted yeah well and i like you say i think we kind of moved away from that but just saying for sure like now we don't have to have a big 10 minute story every day we could have two six minute stories you know or whatever um okay sarah tell us your idea so extra twitch content extra twitch okay so for anybody who is now familiar with the fact that we are um streaming gdi and twitch i was thinking well okay before before gdi starts um and that starts at about one p.m. pacific time and that's everybody's kind of familiar with that sorry my dog is having very weird dreams oh just come down oh sleepy odyssey i know um but um so we do that beforehand and i don't think that i don't think tom or roger and i really have the you know we don't really have the bandwidth to do a whole lot before when we start streaming because we're trying to make dt and s happen but after the show there are oftentimes that i'm like you know i i could stay on twitch for another hour and maybe and maybe talk about a few of the tech topics that didn't make the show yeah still still good topics um and and that's actually you know anybody who has access to our rundown would know that we have a lot of topics in the morning and we you know throughout the day we're kind of like well is this you know is this a quick hit or do we have something to talk about and you know um there there's a lot of movement that goes around and just the nature of that 30 minute show it doesn't always make the show yeah but a lot of the stuff is pretty cool and also just i don't know there's a little bit more kind of i don't know tech culture stuff i don't know internet memes uh you know stuff that stuff that we're all seeing in the news that might be kind of fun for a discussion and certainly on the twitch network you know having people who are in there if they want to be part of the part of the discussion i would love that because i'm already here so i was thinking maybe not five days a week i don't know i mean just throwing it out there maybe you know maybe two days a week to start it'd be five days a week maybe one i think for start just like when you can do it yeah well but i would like to have like a regular schedule yeah well i'm sure after we did for a couple weeks you know for everybody's benefit but i i would be super happy to do that and because there are always i would say five stories a day where i'm like yeah we couldn't get to it but that was a really cool story you know so this would be an extended director's cut version we could call it ic wmi uh huh so yeah so all of you let me know if that's something that you would like and and Otis would be a big part of it because he's he's that's so far the only reactions are Otis cam would there be Otis how about Otis yeah Otis Otis will be part of this he's he's actually a pretty good curator you you'd be surprised yeah Gordon McLeod kind of loves that idea all right okay cool all right yeah so uh yeah feedback at daily tech news show dot com uh let us know what you think of that um also this this one's a little more of a mechanical thing for you daily tech headlines fans which we know this is not really part of but there are sister show uh rich straffolino was suggesting maybe we do and we've done this a couple of times in the early days of daily tech headlines a separate episode for the big event announcements so samsung unpacked google i o microsoft build apple announcement uh instead of not having anything about them for 24 hours because usually dth gets published before these things happen having a second dth that's just like okay here's the stuff that came out at google i o boom boom boom boom and then you'd still touch on it the next dth the next day as well yeah and and rich um straffolino who who does the majority of daily tech headlines although tom and i both do one per week you know he he had a very good point where he's like you know if it's w w dc the keynote it's going to be the majority of that shows headlines but let's say you don't care about that for whatever reason and that's fine well you know do you lose the people like there are always other uh news items on any given day so this would hopefully satisfy both both parties yeah my only uh my only worry about that is we have an amazon slash google home uh audience that only hears the most recent episode right you'd say play my flash briefing and you get the most recent one and i'm i don't know that that would matter because when they play it it would be the most recent news certainly um but you have to take that into account but i think it would still work for that um and dth doesn't uh our heart infotech is suggesting that be a perk on patreon dth doesn't have a patreon it's purely out supported that's that's the only way it works so um so maybe if they get a patreon uh that's a thing i don't even think it needs to be a patreon bonus i think it's just something you put out there it's it's a brief news show that's what it is and a good one at that and a darn good one and growing rich yes it is numbers have been up lately so it's kind of rich's project now i was sort of handed it over to him i just work for him uh this one specific to twitch.tv slash good day internet um emojis everybody loves emojis everybody wants emojis roger and i don't understand how emojis work but we're learning i am learning i i mean i understand how we yeah we know what they are it's just like figuring out how they work with it yes and then uh figure out what we want to create is it just like sarah tom justin patrick scott heads or do we want something different yeah um you how should they let us know what emojis they want maybe in the discord discord or um i mean or or email us at hey Otis ray and Sawyer emojis have been requested now you know obviously we need there's already an emoji that's very Otis like um but sure let's work on ray and i think we need a hot tamale's emoji uh we need a watermelon with the the red strikeout yeah right no watermelon emoji visceral reaction yeah um bacon obviously we need a bacon emoji for sure a lacroix emoji i think would be good yeah sparkling water uh pass on the bacon yes on the lacroix so there we go yeah all right fine and then uh i believe it was c pot's 50 pointed out that uh one point we were gonna make a cookbook last year and we didn't do it uh turns out it's hard to make it right i could have slapped it together and put it on lulu and be done with it but it wouldn't look very good so um i'm trying to get uh layout help and uh despite good intentions that hasn't happened so uh put it this way still want to do a cookbook just need to find the time and the help to do it all right roger's ideas on march what does that mean on merch oh merch yes that's a cleaning man like march is already like next march don't worry next march uh roger's ideas on the march i was thinking like maybe if we could uh you know people could send us a really cool snapshot of them wearing our our merch in whatever local town or city icon they get a photo of and we could show it on the show or put and post it on the patreon it's like hey um yeah yeah i got a i got a picture in front of the uh statue of liberty wearing a dts shirt which would be awesome by the way so a picture of someone in their dts shirt in front of the uh little whinging uh sign in england yes i don't know what that is but examples of what you're talking about uh yes don't get up on the name of the town oh uh yes uh or a cap or you know other or a beanie you know whatever and then we could uh we could kind of showcase them on uh once a week or every day or every other day on the show yeah well i was going to go to some question i was that the only march idea i'm sorry i like that idea um uh yes my other one was socks but i think i mentioned that before right well do you just i mean you could contact david and get that rolling i'm all for that uh we need somebody to we need somebody to have an eye on merch and have time to really give it some love and care at some point oh that reminds me uh we do have a redesign of daily tech news show dot com still underway it's slow going um but the the one mock-up i've seen from ray looked really nice uh so i'm looking forward to that um he is giving us a uh a good friend deal uh so i'm very patient with him but yeah we should hopefully have a new site at some point in the future i don't see any questions at all in uh slack or uh the discord i think they've just been throwing them in the twitch chat as we go along which is actually very handy because i'm reading yeah that's fine maybe we just make that the uh i mean you can if you're if you're at a certain if you're at the analyst level you can ask me a question any day of the week i'll i'll do my best to answer it um i said uh yes you were you were saying oh no i said uh no i was no i was thinking of something else i just realized it it would work oh w scottis one wants to know if we could provide benefits like the patreon benefits to people who subscribe on twitch because you can send emails to people who have subscribed to the twitch i have to figure out an equivalency for that but i'm not against that idea at all um but i don't know if you can send emails easily based on on their subscription level um and we'll check that out oh uh gardener vh is one of the people who very nicely says how about the topic of how many chat rooms there are meaning there are too many chat rooms uh which you know well yeah i mean if you yeah if you want to go where everybody is there are several options so tom would we you know what what's sort of our messaging on that yeah so so here's the thing um we used to just have one chat room the irc.chatroom.net then we started slack and so we had two places that you could interact and people in slack were like do we do this during the show and now we just do it in rc then we started the discord because patreon offered that we're like yeah let's try that then we had kind of two versions of slack but some people chat along in discord then we started twitch which has its own irc now i think we can move the irc.chatroom.net into twitch potentially but you lose a bunch of the functionality if you do that so most people haven't done that frog pants hasn't done that night attack hasn't done that and then it becomes a question of well do we take away other things which i generally don't like to do so i don't know uh to me it's like wherever you want to be you have options and right now it seems like most people want to be in the twitch chat while we're doing the show so that's where i'm at i i don't want to take something away from from somebody especially because the day twitch chat went down everybody piled into the irc and it became hopping again it's a good backup uh i just i i kind of want to go slow and see what people use it for and uh and to kind of flesh out that um but i also keep an eye not just on twitch but also on the irc and discord so my my eyes are constantly popping between all three yeah um gardener vh says the discord value seems to be reduced during the show um well people were always in the irc during the show before so i guess because all of good day internet is on twitch you put it this way i'm looking at the discord if you want to talk in the discord i will see that first most of the time um yeah you use it the way you want to use it though um always paying attention to discord during show prep during the day uh i pop into slack at least once a day and i see irc and twitch chat during the show so if you were using discord all the time and you were talking about it during the show uh i would see that stuff and we would respond to it absolutely you want me to take away something that's all streamers like about idea to take away things well and yeah i mean the alternative is like okay well the only place we chat is this platform and that would have said people i know that would make it easier to say like here's the place to go right yeah um so we'll keep thinking about it um and i i personally understand um what gardener vh is is alluding to it it can be confusing where's where should i send my thoughts to uh so i can interact with other fans of the show um currently you know they're they're in twitch but uh discord doesn't get diminished it's just for that 40 minutes also if you don't know uh we do uh go live in the discord uh audio channel before the twitch channel i don't know how valuable that is to people but some people like it so you're you get a little extra listen uh if you're in discord something to know about uh let's see i'm checking to see if anybody is popping into questions but it does not look like they are we're getting good questions in the twitch chat though discord is the best says tim in discord uh discord is great but you know our slack community also if i had to do it over again i'll be honest i would do discord not slack yeah but we did lack of discord existed uh as a as an option uh and so i don't want to take it away that's all and it's it's hopping in there there's people chatting in there all the time and uh yeah and not just with us but with um other viewers and other fans of the show the way it's become is discord is the one you automatically get when you're a patron and slack is the sort of grandfather channel uh so yeah and they're both around 247 do you like me check yes a box yes or no says bio cow yes of course i'll say it out loud prefer to listen in twitch so the audio and video are in sync well yes that would make sense fair point yeah i'd try not to uh use other audio when i look at other video that just doesn't work yeah the other thing about discord is you you don't get to see the video but you don't get any latency it's immediate when it works which there was server issues today but most of the time yeah discord is available to everybody that's the other thing slacks only available to analysts and up uh i heard info tech says you could migrate the channels to discord and do writes you don't there's no need for that we could just create the channels and tell people to go there this is about human behavior it's not about technology i mean people could totally move to discord if they want uh i just don't want to take this slack away because some people are like i don't want to go to discord i like it in slack i have no idea why twitch done roku was pulled that is one disadvantage to twitch uh yes youtube is getting rid of hangouts on on air like we expected so we're very glad we moved to twitch before that happened but it does mean that there is not the easy option on roku for roku viewers so hopefully that'll that'll change at some point anything else uh i don't know besides saying that our patrons are the best yes and they are uh no i no i i i look forward to feedback from a lot of stuff that we threw at everybody and uh otherwise yeah we're we're you know onward and upwards and happy to happy to take everybody's ideas into consideration and and make this a show that makes everybody happy yeah this was good this was good good brainstorming good idea uh i i'm constantly surprised at the uh the helpfulness of of the the audience uh not just towards the show but to each other it's actually very rare to find it it's very heartwarming yeah it is yeah that's a good well put pat yourselves on the back audience you're the best really are all right um that's going to wrap it up for this quarterly hang out uh we will do another one in about three months or so but as i said uh anytime you want to ask a question uh if you're at the master level in discord i'm always looking at that but the question channel in slack too uh and let us know 24 7 and we'll do our best thanks everybody thank you have a good day see you next quarter